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Rumsfeld FINALLY tells the TRUTH

#41

Now Dick can print anything he wants and not get shredded apart by
me. Oh, here's another fine piece of print that the Dicker won't
understand: I'm not betting one penny in hearly 4 days of being in
casino hotels. I know that's impossible for Dicky to comprehend--

esp.

because he doesn't take a wife who doesn't care about the game with
him. But yup, it's true Mr. addict! And I won't be sitting in my

room

counting flowers on the wall either--like nerds and geeks have

always

done.

So here's another chance to make-believe while I'm gone, because

you

know I'll make you look like the fool that you truly are when I
return.

Yeah, right. It's more likely he bought another case of skunky beer
on sale and is cowering in his small apartment so he doesn't have to
respond to factual evidence that his fraudulent system is as
worthless as its' propagator.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#42

>
> I think I remember reading that you play mostly in indian casinos.

I used to. Now it's more of a mixture.

> You find full pay VP in them?

Yes. Only one game.

> And what games do you usually play?

FPOEJs. I think the only reason they exist is there's no software
around that analyzes this game. I'm sure the game makes hugh

profits

for the casinos because there are only a few (around 5) advantage
players. The high variance is great for providing some winning
sessions. It can hook people quickly just like DDB. I had to devise
my own strategy.

I've never seen this game. I'm curious to how you determined it was
fullpay. Did you have to analyze the paytables yourself? I wouldn't
have a clue on how to do that.

> Just curious.
> In New Yorks Indian casinos the best you can find is 98% and then
you
> don't really know if they are random. I've been trying to find

the

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...> wrote:
> regulations fo NY with no success.

I found the regulations on the state web site. I was lucky that
someone (another VPFREE memeber) else had found them first and
provided me with a URL.

Dick

#43

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>
> >
> > I think I remember reading that you play mostly in indian

casinos.

>
> I used to. Now it's more of a mixture.
>
> > You find full pay VP in them?
>
> Yes. Only one game.
>
> > And what games do you usually play?
>
> FPOEJs. I think the only reason they exist is there's no software
> around that analyzes this game. I'm sure the game makes hugh
profits
> for the casinos because there are only a few (around 5) advantage
> players. The high variance is great for providing some winning
> sessions. It can hook people quickly just like DDB. I had to

devise

> my own strategy.

I've never seen this game.

FPOEJ - Full pay one-eyed jacks wild.

I'm curious to how you determined it was
fullpay. Did you have to analyze the paytables yourself? I wouldn't
have a clue on how to do that.

Yes, I wrote my own program to do the analysis. The program itself is
not too diffuclt, getting it to run in a reasonable amount of time is
the greater challenge. There was a thread in VPFREE on game analysis
last month. Check it out if you're interested.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...> wrote:

> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...> wrote:

#44

http://wizardofodds.com/games/videopoker/OneEyedJacks.html

>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...>

wrote:

> > >
> > > I think I remember reading that you play mostly in indian
casinos.
> >
> > I used to. Now it's more of a mixture.
> >
> > > You find full pay VP in them?
> >
> > Yes. Only one game.
> >
> > > And what games do you usually play?
> >
> > FPOEJs. I think the only reason they exist is there's no

software

> > around that analyzes this game. I'm sure the game makes hugh
> profits
> > for the casinos because there are only a few (around 5)

advantage

> > players. The high variance is great for providing some winning
> > sessions. It can hook people quickly just like DDB. I had to
devise
> > my own strategy.
>
> I've never seen this game.

FPOEJ - Full pay one-eyed jacks wild.

> I'm curious to how you determined it was
> fullpay. Did you have to analyze the paytables yourself? I

wouldn't

> have a clue on how to do that.

Yes, I wrote my own program to do the analysis. The program itself

is

not too diffuclt, getting it to run in a reasonable amount of time

is

the greater challenge. There was a thread in VPFREE on game

analysis

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@y...> wrote:
last month. Check it out if you're interested.

#45

>
> So says every pathological gambler on earth....and maybe on the
moon too. You been to those casinos too??

Boy, you really have run out of anything original to say, haven't
you. This must be around 100 times you've said this same garbage.

I'm not at all surprised.

So you're now speechless. What breaking news!!

I explained it to you just a few of months ago. Is your brain so
decimated by alcohol that you can't remember that far back???

And i told you I'm not as lazy as you are when it comes to spelling
words out. If you made it up I really didn't care to stamp it in my
head.

> Even funnier is the fact that I'm not the one in need of 'getting
it' when there's an admitted gambling addict making believe about
> everything he's trying to get across.

ROTFL. What a gas.

Left speechless in Minnesota. Is gas another acronym?

> On my goodness! There's all that nervous wordy rhetoric once

again. Maybe you can get some of that hives medicine in the morning,
and the swelling will go down.

The panic continues by the monkey boy and nothing original to

refute the evidence I JUST presented.

It was all baloney that spews from your messed-up head, and any
evidence was MIA. That's why I suggested hives medicine, because with
nerves reacting that violently, you're bound to be in need.

> So where's the proof that these mysterious hundreds exist? In

your mind maybe???

Walk into any LV locals casino with good VP and you'll have no
problem finding them. I know you read VPFREE so you already know

who some of them are. It's really humerous that you previously have

stated that casinos come up with promotions just for advantage
players and now you ask for proof that even a hundred exist.

HAHAHA! AGAIN!! And you're not getting off that easy this time. It's
no secret that thousands of so-called advantage players are in LV.
I'm looking for proof that AT LEAST ONE OF THEM wins--and how you
yourself KNOW they win.

> Let's see....You brag about winning $5k recently and are all

hyped up about it for a change. I admitted in several columns
publicly that i lost about $250k playing 6 years the supposed way you
say you do,

I doubt very much it was the "the way I do". You've proved more

than once you really don't understand advantage play. Your ego won't
let you accept that FACT, so it forces you to believe no one else can
win.

Advantage play is advantage play, regardless of how you like to think
it is. It's a loser's play, and that's why you'd never admit that you
are one in the same with the rest of them.

> then I win $630k using a method I developed, and that's

a 'personal failure'?? HAHAHA!!! Guess who has the last laugh!! Wait,

wait....Let me get up off the floor from rolling around before I

continue.

And who would believe this after you RENEGEd on a $200K bet?

The intelligent person who sees I'd rather challenge you to a $700k
bet for the exact same thing.

> > > And like the word of a bunch of losing, mainly low-class

video poker players is gonna give you proof of anything. Just how
thick are you anyway?

> >
> > I know they are successful. I've seen them BE successful. Let

go of that IMMENSE ego and you can also see the truth.

So you've stayed with and played with these people every step of the
way, have you?? Then that sort of puts a kink into your claim that
you play a lot. Just like always, you say one thing and get caught,
then you change it all around.

>
> So now you've spent the 'long-term' at the machines with these
people too? HAHAHAHAHA! That's the funniest make-believe yet!!

You should actually try talking to the people gambling next to you
once in awhile. You can learn something about them. Of course, you
wouldn't want to learn the truth since that would prove you

couldn't make it while they could. That darn ego again.

So you actually TALKED to these mysterious winners?? Hohohohahaha!
Now let me guess....They said they were WINNERS!! Are you really that
gullible? I guess you are, because you needed them to say that in
order for you to justify all that nonsensical time you spend in
casinos. It really is pathetic--as is your fluffy attempt at an
explanation.

> More nebulous statements. Who, and where? And were they on a

stupid team? The answer's YES. And they've not been barred because of
some mythical prowess that you'd like to believe they have. THEY
BROKE THE RULES OF TAKING ALL THE SEATS AND NOT LETTING HOTEL
CUSTOMERS SIT AND PLAY, BOZO!

You really believe the casinos would bar anyone who's losing BIG
money. Give me a break.

In case you haven't heard being way up there in the middle of
nowhere, most casinos have adopted a policy of not allowing team
players to play at their progressives. Time to wake up, Dicky!!

> > You want me to believe that these casino hosts are putting

their jobs in jeopardy giving out personal information to you? What
an OBVIOUS lie. Let go of your ego and see the truth.

>
> OK dopey, try to follow what I said, and think in terms of street
> smarts instead of boring statictics. Did you ever hear that some
> people 'know' people, and some people 'owe' people?? If not

you'll never get any of it having led as closed-in a life as you have.

Now your stating it's not the "hosts" as you claimed above.

Where'd you read THAT??

That

would make you're previous statement a lie. Now why whould I ever
believe your REVISED statement? Or, should I call that your revised
LIE?

Just as corny as your previous statement above.....

> > I've shown you are wrong with this argument in the past and yet
you
> > bring it up again. The casinos are going for NUMBERS with
> promotions. That means lots of non-advantage players. Let go of
your
> ego and see the truth.
>
> Yes, NUMBERS of the loco 'advantage players' because they can

count

> on these fools to bring in fresh cash from anywhere possible
> everytime they run a stupid promotion. The saps do respond. The
> normal drop-in local couldn;t care less about what day the rope
gets
> thrown out. they go in when they can regardless,.

And this is the same man who wants proof that there are just a
hundred advantage players. You're getting awfully confused.

YO! A hundred advantage players THAT WIN....LIKE YOU SAID THEY DO!!!
Stick with the stream, and don't make changes for convenience.

> > I haven't used a slide rule in over 35 years. Probably longer
than you, Mr. EE. It's statements like this that show how your ego
> hasn't let you move on. Let go of your ego and see the truth.
>
> You mean you don't use it to measure your shrivelling Dick, like
all the nerds and geeks used to do in High School??

LMAO. You still can't get over HS, can you? Each and every time you
reference these days over 30 years ago, I get a good laugh. Grow up
like the rest of us have done and maybe you can learn to live IN

THE PRESENT.

Let me rephrase this. "Like all the cool guys used to MAKE the geeks
and nerds do in HS....just prior to making them go to the girl's gym
and pull their pants down with a big sign on their backs that gave
away their dick-size!"

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#46

> > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...>

wrote:You'll likely view an answer from him similar to this:

> > >
> > > 1. You add in .004% for comps.
> > > 2. You add in .10% for cash back.
> > > 3. You add in .5% for casino host smiles and VIP-like

attention.

> > > 4. You add in .6% because it all makes my wife happy.
> > > 5. You add in .2% because I only play during promotions and
> > giveaways.
> > > 6. And on nice days, you throw in .02% for a sunny day.
> > >
> > > Viola--We now have created a POSITIVE PLAY! Something all
> advantage players do all the time!!
> >
> >I think this response pretty much sums up Robs' knowledge of VP.
But just for laughs:
> >
> > 1. Game payback 100.276%
> > 2. Cashback .264% (I love double and triple point days)
> > 3. BB varies (<.1%)
> > 4. Comps .3% (or more), all rooms and food free. Free golf as
well.
> > 5. Promotions (last year I won almost $1000 in the free VP
tourneys and hit a scratch off promotion for $1000).
>
> Just like I said. Was that a 'scratch & sniff' promo? And did you
> say 'free golf'? WOWZER! Just the way you've presented this fluff
one can easily see you've hands are sweating as you type. What a

BRUTE of an advantage player!! A true addict if there ever was one,
wouldn't you say?

If you replace "addict" with "winner" then you'd have it right. Too
bad your immense ego won't let you see the truth.

How about 'temporarily winning addict'?? Either way you cut the cake,
Dicky, you play far too often for your own 'long-term' good (or
whatever's left of it anyway), you are in casinos far too often, and
your 'vacations' are so tainted with the desire to make them video-
poker-playing laced that you easily blind yourself with all the
rhetoric that tells you you're OK.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#47

> Now Dick can print anything he wants and not get shredded apart

by me. Oh, here's another fine piece of print that the Dicker won't

> understand: I'm not betting one penny in hearly 4 days of being

in casino hotels. I know that's impossible for Dicky to comprehend--

esp. because he doesn't take a wife who doesn't care about the game

with him. But yup, it's true Mr. addict! And I won't be sitting in my

room counting flowers on the wall either--like nerds and geeks have
always done.
>
> So here's another chance to make-believe while I'm gone, because
you know I'll make you look like the fool that you truly are when I
> return.

Yeah, right. It's more likely he bought another case of skunky beer
on sale and is cowering in his small apartment so he doesn't have

to respond to factual evidence that his fraudulent system is as

worthless as its' propagator.

Your manufactured words don't seem to have any zing in them. You're a
lot better when you become wordy and nervous in the face of reality--
you know--when you try to duck questions but you know you'll get
scolded by me when I come back at you. Then your next slow tactic is
when you say your one-liners that cover your inexperience with the
subject--like with playing successful video poker.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#48

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>
> I explained it to you just a few of months ago. Is your brain so
> decimated by alcohol that you can't remember that far back???

And i told you I'm not as lazy as you are when it comes to spelling
words out. If you made it up I really didn't care to stamp it in my
head.

Why would I expect an idiot like you to ever know common internet
abbrs? Now, if they were from the '60s and '70s I'm sure you'd
remember.

>
> > So where's the proof that these mysterious hundreds exist? In
your mind maybe???
>
> Walk into any LV locals casino with good VP and you'll have no
> problem finding them. I know you read VPFREE so you already know
who some of them are. It's really humerous that you previously have
> stated that casinos come up with promotions just for advantage
> players and now you ask for proof that even a hundred exist.

HAHAHA! AGAIN!! And you're not getting off that easy this time.

It's

no secret that thousands of so-called advantage players are in LV.
I'm looking for proof that AT LEAST ONE OF THEM wins--and how you
yourself KNOW they win.

In one case the individual showed me a rather large check, in other
cases I know where they gamble primarily and their play level
guarantees that they will win (as I have been witness to). Finally,
the vpfree poll I mentioned is more than sufficient for me. Your
immense ego is the only thing preventing you from seeing this TRUTH.
It's the only thing preventing you from admitting you're wrong.

>
> > Let's see....You brag about winning $5k recently and are all
hyped up about it for a change. I admitted in several columns
publicly that i lost about $250k playing 6 years the supposed way

you

say you do,
>
> I doubt very much it was the "the way I do". You've proved more
than once you really don't understand advantage play. Your ego

won't

let you accept that FACT, so it forces you to believe no one else

can

win.

Advantage play is advantage play, regardless of how you like to

think

it is.

That's no quite true. One of the keys to SUCCESSFUL advantage play is
finding the best possible edge. Without it you may lose. Take FPDB
for example. If that's your only game and you ignore promotions, CB,
BB, etc. then you can easily lose. I always assume a .2% loss due to
errors in any game, this would make FPDB a negative game.

It's a loser's play, and that's why you'd never admit that you
are one in the same with the rest of them.

Yep, all the way to the bank to deposit my, you wouldn't understand
this, WINNINGS. In fact, that's where I'm heading next.

>
> > > > And like the word of a bunch of losing, mainly low-class
video poker players is gonna give you proof of anything. Just how
thick are you anyway?
> > >
> > > I know they are successful. I've seen them BE successful. Let
go of that IMMENSE ego and you can also see the truth.

So you've stayed with and played with these people every step of

the

way, have you?? Then that sort of puts a kink into your claim that
you play a lot. Just like always, you say one thing and get caught,
then you change it all around.

Let go of that IMMENSE ego and you can also see the truth.

> >
> > So now you've spent the 'long-term' at the machines with these
> people too? HAHAHAHAHA! That's the funniest make-believe yet!!
>
> You should actually try talking to the people gambling next to

you

> once in awhile. You can learn something about them. Of course,

you

> wouldn't want to learn the truth since that would prove you
couldn't make it while they could. That darn ego again.

So you actually TALKED to these mysterious winners?? Hohohohahaha!
Now let me guess....They said they were WINNERS!! Are you really

that

gullible?

Yep. I can see them play perfectly so I know they are winners. Let go
of that IMMENSE ego and you can also see the truth.

>
> > More nebulous statements. Who, and where? And were they on a
stupid team? The answer's YES. And they've not been barred because

of

some mythical prowess that you'd like to believe they have. THEY
BROKE THE RULES OF TAKING ALL THE SEATS AND NOT LETTING HOTEL
CUSTOMERS SIT AND PLAY, BOZO!
>
> You really believe the casinos would bar anyone who's losing BIG
> money. Give me a break.

In case you haven't heard being way up there in the middle of
nowhere, most casinos have adopted a policy of not allowing team
players to play at their progressives. Time to wake up, Dicky!!

That's because the teams make money knocking off these progressives,
otherwise there wouldn't be teams. They are advantage players and
make money which is exactly what you have been denying. Let go of
that IMMENSE ego and you can also see the truth.

>
> > > You want me to believe that these casino hosts are putting
their jobs in jeopardy giving out personal information to you? What
an OBVIOUS lie. Let go of your ego and see the truth.
> >
> > OK dopey, try to follow what I said, and think in terms of

street

> > smarts instead of boring statictics. Did you ever hear that

some

> > people 'know' people, and some people 'owe' people?? If not
you'll never get any of it having led as closed-in a life as you

have.

>
> Now your stating it's not the "hosts" as you claimed above.

Where'd you read THAT??

Pick a story and stick to it. You are such a liar it's getting
ridiculous.

But, just for argument let's assume a few high denom advantage
players have lost. If they are trying to make money with a very small
edge (like my FPDB example), then, not only is it possible, it's
probable (as predicted by the bell curve). Not understanding these
concepts is probably why you failed as an advantage player.

>
> > > I've shown you are wrong with this argument in the past and

yet

> you
> > > bring it up again. The casinos are going for NUMBERS with
> > promotions. That means lots of non-advantage players. Let go of
> your
> > ego and see the truth.
> >
> > Yes, NUMBERS of the loco 'advantage players' because they can
count
> > on these fools to bring in fresh cash from anywhere possible
> > everytime they run a stupid promotion. The saps do respond. The
> > normal drop-in local couldn;t care less about what day the rope
> gets
> > thrown out. they go in when they can regardless,.
>
> And this is the same man who wants proof that there are just a
> hundred advantage players. You're getting awfully confused.

YO! A hundred advantage players THAT WIN....LIKE YOU SAID THEY

DO!!!

Stick with the stream, and don't make changes for convenience.

If they don't apply the proper techniques then they are NOT advantage
players. If you want to call them wannabees, that's OK. True
advantage players understand the need for a strong play.

By the way, outside of Nevada there are almost no true or wannabee
advantage players, yet the casinos have promotions just the same. I
guess you'll have to go visit them all and explain that the
promotions are not needed since they ONLY attract advantage players.

>
> > > I haven't used a slide rule in over 35 years. Probably longer
> than you, Mr. EE. It's statements like this that show how your

ego

> > hasn't let you move on. Let go of your ego and see the truth.
> >
> > You mean you don't use it to measure your shrivelling Dick,

like

> all the nerds and geeks used to do in High School??
>
> LMAO. You still can't get over HS, can you? Each and every time

you

> reference these days over 30 years ago, I get a good laugh. Grow

up

> like the rest of us have done and maybe you can learn to live IN
THE PRESENT.

Let me rephrase this. "Like all the cool guys used to MAKE the

geeks

and nerds do in HS....just prior to making them go to the girl's

gym

and pull their pants down with a big sign on their backs that gave
away their dick-size!"

ROTFLMAO. You can't help it. You're stuck in the past and can't move
on. PS. You're STILL not a "cool guy". Get over it.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#49

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>
> > Now Dick can print anything he wants and not get shredded apart
by me. Oh, here's another fine piece of print that the Dicker won't
> > understand: I'm not betting one penny in hearly 4 days of being
in casino hotels. I know that's impossible for Dicky to comprehend--
> esp. because he doesn't take a wife who doesn't care about the

game

with him. But yup, it's true Mr. addict! And I won't be sitting in

my

> room counting flowers on the wall either--like nerds and geeks

have

> always done.
> >
> > So here's another chance to make-believe while I'm gone,

because

> you know I'll make you look like the fool that you truly are when

I

> > return.
>
> Yeah, right. It's more likely he bought another case of skunky

beer

> on sale and is cowering in his small apartment so he doesn't have
to respond to factual evidence that his fraudulent system is as
> worthless as its' propagator.

Your manufactured words don't seem to have any zing in them. You're

a

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

lot better when you become wordy and nervous in the face of reality-

-

you know--when you try to duck questions but you know you'll get
scolded by me when I come back at you. Then your next slow tactic

is

when you say your one-liners that cover your inexperience with the
subject--like with playing successful video poker.

I guess I was right. I expected more ...

#50

How about 'temporarily winning addict'?? Either way you cut the

cake,

Dicky, you play far too often for your own 'long-term' good (or
whatever's left of it anyway), you are in casinos far too often,

and

your 'vacations' are so tainted with the desire to make them video-
poker-playing laced that you easily blind yourself with all the
rhetoric that tells you you're OK.

Look's like you're finally seeing that I am a winner. We're making
progress. If you ever need some lessons on how to WIN using advantage
play techniques let me know. I can help you.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#51

There's an individual who posts quite frequently here that loves to
use the word addiction. This individual also loves to generalize.
Because of this he appears to lump several problems under the
addiction label. This presents a problem of communications to those
of us who understand the true definition of addiction and the fact
that it only impacts about 3% of the gambling population. The other
problems I will discuss in this thread are much more insidious and
costly to the general gambling public and also may have an impact on
the true advantage gambler.

First let me define true addiction. This is a problem where the
gambler achieves a true chemical high through gambling. In general
this requires an individual susceptable to addiction and a history
where they achieved this high through an abundance of luck early on
in their gambling ventures. Since few of us were (un?)lucky enough to
win early on, we didn't generate the same level of euphoria (when we
finally won) as someone who hadn't experienced normal losses.

Given that true addiction is only a minor problem, just what are
these other problem areas I alluded to earlier? While there may be
more, I will list three. The first two may effect any gambler while
the last one only affects more successful gamblers. I will call these
problems TRAPS. In general they are methods used by casinos to get
gamblers to put more and more money into the casinos. Not a surprise.
What may surprise some people is the psychology behind the traps.

1) The Good Consumer Trap
2) The Competition Trap
3) The Money Tree Trap

The Good Consumer Trap

This trap takes advantage of what is basically a good attribute. The
good consumer looks for the best bargains and best sales. They
compare prices and shop smart. The casinos take advantage of this by
offering good (?) deals. Examples are point multipliers, free gifts,
2-1 buffets, free rooms, double royals, etc., etc. There is
absolutely nothing wrong with taking advantage of these offers UNLESS
the offer is the driving force. While a small percentage of good
consumers could be considered addicted (ie. shopaholics), it's not
necessarily a bad addiction. Like joggers (runners high) the side
effects can be positive. The key question that a gambler should ask
themselves is "is the only reason I'm gambling today because of the
offer?" If the answer to that question is YES, then the individual
has fallen for the Good Consumer Trap.

The Competition Trap

Competitiveness is generally seen as a good attribute in our society.
When an individual is labeled with this attribute they are considered
better for it. We all have some degree of competitive drive within
us. On the downside this attribute leads to a syndrome better known
as "keep up with the Jones" or "beat the Jones". People want to look
more successful so they buy more expensive cars, fashionable clothes,
the lastest and greatest electronic widget, etc. I doubt anyone
reading this post has not been guilty of this syndrome once in a
while. In the gambling business the casinos use this in two ways. The
first is through demonination. How many times have you heard someone
extol the fact that they play $XX denomination machines to impress
someone. I especially find it interesting when someone brags about
playing high denom slot machines. The casinos love this and now
provide another way to "beat the Jones" - the tiered slot clubs. By
setting various levels tied to the amount gambled the casinos are
getting people to gamble more so they can reach the next level and
reap (?) the benefits. For the advantage gambler this is not a
significant problem unless they find that playing a higher denom does
not increase their enjoyment or, once again, reaching the next tier
is the only reason they are gambling. If this is the case, they have
fallen for the Competition Trap.

One sinister side effect of these two traps for the advantage gambler
is loss of accuracy through boredom. If they are not enjoying the
experience they will almost certainly play at a reduced efficiency.
Of course, if the total return of the game is sufficiently high the
advantage gambler will still make a profit, just a reduced profit. If
they are playing with a very small advantage they may actually lose
their advantage through increased errors.

The Money Trap

The first two traps affect the true advantage gambler differently
than other gamblers. When the advantage player gambles more, they
actually make more money. However, the problem may be the advantage
gambler isn't really enjoying the experience (otherwise they would
answer NO to the questions I put forth). The third part of this
problem occurs when there are no promotions or higher tiers the
gambler wants to achieve. This problem is a side effect of advantage
play and clearly not intentional by the casinos. The recreational
advantage gambler may simply be gambling to make MORE money.
Therefore, a variation of the same question applies. "Is making more
money the only reason I'm gambling?" Once again, if the answer is
YES you have fallen into the Money Tree Trap. If you don't really
need the money and you're not enjoying the experience, then gambling
has become nothing more than a worn out job.

I'll use a true story about someone I know to highlight this problem.
This person (John) created signs as a hobby. John did it for years
while maintaining his regular full time job. He loved doing it and
made a little money on the side. When John retired he decided to turn
this hobby into a business. He was very good at it and became very
successful. I talked with John a couple of years later and asked how
he was doing. John replied, "Too good!" The hobby had became a JOB
with deadlines, stress and everything associated with it. John no
longer enjoyed this hobby and was considering selling the business
and getting out. What this little story shows is that the Money Tree
Trap problem is not just associated with gambling but with any hobby
turned into a money making proposition.

All of these problems can also effect affuent non-advantage gamblers
that still gamble within their means. Since they can afford the
losses they often feel there's nothing wrong with losing a few bucks
for the entertainment value. However, the actual entertainment value
may not be what it once was because they have fallen into one of
these traps.

I should make it clear that many people enjoy gambling and the extra
benefits that can be garnered. However, in almost everyone there is a
point where the enjoyment dwindles. I've tried to point out some of
the reasons people continue to gamble when, just maybe, they should
be looking for other forms of entertainment to augment their gambling.

I also hope this rather long post will help a certain individual
understand the difference between addiction and the psychological
traps anyone all fall into if not careful. It may be he understands
that these are different but for some reason chooses to lump them
with the rather small problem area of addiction. If so, he is
fostering miscommunications and does himself a disservice.

#52

Why would I expect an idiot like you to ever know common internet
abbrs? Now, if they were from the '60s and '70s I'm sure you'd
remember.

You act like a bed-wetting child. Talk some sense and stop making
believe everyone should know nonsense that you know. I've told you,
geeks and nerds are of a very different mold than us successful
people.

> HAHAHA! AGAIN!! And you're not getting off that easy this time.
It's no secret that thousands of so-called advantage players are in

LV. I'm looking for proof that AT LEAST ONE OF THEM wins--and how you

> yourself KNOW they win.

In one case the individual showed me a rather large check,

WOW! That means a LOT!!

in other

cases I know where they gamble primarily and their play level
guarantees that they will win (as I have been witness to)

Come on, are you THAT naiive??

Finally,

the vpfree poll I mentioned is more than sufficient for me. Your
immense ego is the only thing preventing you from seeing this

TRUTH. It's the only thing preventing you from admitting you're wrong.

People who poll about their success or failure on vpfree are
generally a bunch of nickel & quarter-playing wannabees who set up
their fantasies after those the Queen publicly creates out of thin
air about herself, and those who chirp in as successes experience
momentary wins and get big heads over it like you do. You know
nothing about any of their consistency, other than to believe what
these gamblers say. You know how much that's worth, don't you?

  
> Advantage play is advantage play, regardless of how you like to
think it is.

That's no quite true. One of the keys to SUCCESSFUL advantage play

is finding the best possible edge.

No kidding. Even if I wanted to today, I could still go out and find
better overall plays than any advantage player alive, because I know
how to manipulate the system, I know people in the right places, and
I know everything about casino play. But I lost, and that tells me
everything I need to know. There's no way you're going to convince me
that there's anyone out there that is better than I am at doing what
needs to be done in order to make it a success.

Yep, all the way to the bank to deposit my, you wouldn't understand
this, WINNINGS. In fact, that's where I'm heading next.

Funny, I just returned from the bank after WITHDRAWING $46k of my
winnings to buy my son a new GAS-EATING SUV.

> In case you haven't heard being way up there in the middle of
> nowhere, most casinos have adopted a policy of not allowing team
> players to play at their progressives. Time to wake up, Dicky!!

That's because the teams make money knocking off these

progressives,

otherwise there wouldn't be teams. They are advantage players and
make money which is exactly what you have been denying. Let go of
that IMMENSE ego and you can also see the truth.

You're really brainwashed and crazy, aren't you. Teams are banished
as often as possible because they take other patron's seats. Besides
being a sad looking bunch of human beings, they are a bunch of losers
who can't get a real job so they play for some guy with a lot of
money. As stupid as it gets.

> > Now your stating it's not the "hosts" as you claimed above.
>
> Where'd you read THAT??

Pick a story and stick to it. You are such a liar it's getting
ridiculous.

I did, but I see you can't follow it because it's beyond your simple
level.

But, just for argument let's assume a few high denom advantage
players have lost. If they are trying to make money with a very

small

edge (like my FPDB example), then, not only is it possible, it's
probable (as predicted by the bell curve). Not understanding these
concepts is probably why you failed as an advantage player.

Another probability theory that looks good to a geek on paper, but
one that never rules the day in gambling. You really believe all that
stuff, or are you putting me on??

> YO! A hundred advantage players THAT WIN....LIKE YOU SAID THEY
DO!!! Stick with the stream, and don't make changes for convenience.

If they don't apply the proper techniques then they are NOT

advantage

players. If you want to call them wannabees, that's OK. True
advantage players understand the need for a strong play.

Big deal. Anyone can do that. The proof is in consistent winning,
year-in and year-out. And no, I'm not talking about some 3-dollar-
bill story as cooked up by the Queen. You have no proof of anyone
doing anything, and the only reason you talk yourself into believing
that these people are winners instead of pathetic habitual gamblers
is in order to justify the ungodly amount of time you waste your life
away gambling.

By the way, outside of Nevada there are almost no true or wannabee
advantage players, yet the casinos have promotions just the same. I
guess you'll have to go visit them all and explain that the
promotions are not needed since they ONLY attract advantage players.

Now how do you propose to know THAT? You're so full of it.

> Let me rephrase this. "Like all the cool guys used to MAKE the
geeks
> and nerds do in HS....just prior to making them go to the girl's
gym
> and pull their pants down with a big sign on their backs that

gave

> away their dick-size!"

ROTFLMAO. You can't help it. You're stuck in the past and can't

move

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

on. PS. You're STILL not a "cool guy". Get over it.

#53

> How about 'temporarily winning addict'?? Either way you cut the
cake, Dicky, you play far too often for your own 'long-term' good

(or whatever's left of it anyway), you are in casinos far too often,

and your 'vacations' are so tainted with the desire to make them

video-poker-playing laced that you easily blind yourself with all the

> rhetoric that tells you you're OK.

Look's like you're finally seeing that I am a winner. We're making
progress. If you ever need some lessons on how to WIN using

advantage play techniques let me know. I can help you.

I'm believing you recently won something or else you wouldn't be so
pumped up when normally you are not. Not unlike every other addict on
the planet either. You're in a fine "winning" group. Yes you are.....

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#54

Oh my God, now you're trying to justify your problem all over again!
If it bothers you that much, why not seek help and end the possession
rather than to keep trying to deny what you are?

There's an individual who posts quite frequently here that loves to
use the word addiction. This individual also loves to generalize.
Because of this he appears to lump several problems under the
addiction label. This presents a problem of communications to those
of us who understand the true definition of addiction and the fact
that it only impacts about 3% of the gambling population. The other
problems I will discuss in this thread are much more insidious and
costly to the general gambling public and also may have an impact

on the true advantage gambler.

First let me define true addiction. This is a problem where the
gambler achieves a true chemical high through gambling. In general
this requires an individual susceptable to addiction and a history
where they achieved this high through an abundance of luck early on
in their gambling ventures. Since few of us were (un?)lucky enough

to

win early on, we didn't generate the same level of euphoria (when

we

finally won) as someone who hadn't experienced normal losses.

Given that true addiction is only a minor problem, just what are
these other problem areas I alluded to earlier? While there may be
more, I will list three. The first two may effect any gambler while
the last one only affects more successful gamblers. I will call

these

problems TRAPS. In general they are methods used by casinos to get
gamblers to put more and more money into the casinos. Not a

surprise.

What may surprise some people is the psychology behind the traps.

1) The Good Consumer Trap
2) The Competition Trap
3) The Money Tree Trap

The Good Consumer Trap

This trap takes advantage of what is basically a good attribute.

The

good consumer looks for the best bargains and best sales. They
compare prices and shop smart. The casinos take advantage of this

by

offering good (?) deals. Examples are point multipliers, free

gifts,

2-1 buffets, free rooms, double royals, etc., etc. There is
absolutely nothing wrong with taking advantage of these offers

UNLESS

the offer is the driving force. While a small percentage of good
consumers could be considered addicted (ie. shopaholics), it's not
necessarily a bad addiction. Like joggers (runners high) the side
effects can be positive. The key question that a gambler should ask
themselves is "is the only reason I'm gambling today because of the
offer?" If the answer to that question is YES, then the individual
has fallen for the Good Consumer Trap.

The Competition Trap

Competitiveness is generally seen as a good attribute in our

society.

When an individual is labeled with this attribute they are

considered

better for it. We all have some degree of competitive drive within
us. On the downside this attribute leads to a syndrome better known
as "keep up with the Jones" or "beat the Jones". People want to

look

more successful so they buy more expensive cars, fashionable

clothes,

the lastest and greatest electronic widget, etc. I doubt anyone
reading this post has not been guilty of this syndrome once in a
while. In the gambling business the casinos use this in two ways.

The

first is through demonination. How many times have you heard

someone

extol the fact that they play $XX denomination machines to impress
someone. I especially find it interesting when someone brags about
playing high denom slot machines. The casinos love this and now
provide another way to "beat the Jones" - the tiered slot clubs.

By

setting various levels tied to the amount gambled the casinos are
getting people to gamble more so they can reach the next level and
reap (?) the benefits. For the advantage gambler this is not a
significant problem unless they find that playing a higher denom

does

not increase their enjoyment or, once again, reaching the next tier
is the only reason they are gambling. If this is the case, they

have

fallen for the Competition Trap.

One sinister side effect of these two traps for the advantage

gambler

is loss of accuracy through boredom. If they are not enjoying the
experience they will almost certainly play at a reduced efficiency.
Of course, if the total return of the game is sufficiently high the
advantage gambler will still make a profit, just a reduced profit.

If

they are playing with a very small advantage they may actually lose
their advantage through increased errors.

The Money Trap

The first two traps affect the true advantage gambler differently
than other gamblers. When the advantage player gambles more, they
actually make more money. However, the problem may be the advantage
gambler isn't really enjoying the experience (otherwise they would
answer NO to the questions I put forth). The third part of this
problem occurs when there are no promotions or higher tiers the
gambler wants to achieve. This problem is a side effect of

advantage

play and clearly not intentional by the casinos. The recreational
advantage gambler may simply be gambling to make MORE money.
Therefore, a variation of the same question applies. "Is making

more

money the only reason I'm gambling?" Once again, if the answer is
YES you have fallen into the Money Tree Trap. If you don't really
need the money and you're not enjoying the experience, then

gambling

has become nothing more than a worn out job.

I'll use a true story about someone I know to highlight this

problem.

This person (John) created signs as a hobby. John did it for years
while maintaining his regular full time job. He loved doing it and
made a little money on the side. When John retired he decided to

turn

this hobby into a business. He was very good at it and became very
successful. I talked with John a couple of years later and asked

how

he was doing. John replied, "Too good!" The hobby had became a JOB
with deadlines, stress and everything associated with it. John no
longer enjoyed this hobby and was considering selling the business
and getting out. What this little story shows is that the Money

Tree

Trap problem is not just associated with gambling but with any

hobby

turned into a money making proposition.

All of these problems can also effect affuent non-advantage

gamblers

that still gamble within their means. Since they can afford the
losses they often feel there's nothing wrong with losing a few

bucks

for the entertainment value. However, the actual entertainment

value

may not be what it once was because they have fallen into one of
these traps.

I should make it clear that many people enjoy gambling and the

extra

benefits that can be garnered. However, in almost everyone there is

a

point where the enjoyment dwindles. I've tried to point out some of
the reasons people continue to gamble when, just maybe, they should
be looking for other forms of entertainment to augment their

gambling.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

I also hope this rather long post will help a certain individual
understand the difference between addiction and the psychological
traps anyone all fall into if not careful. It may be he understands
that these are different but for some reason chooses to lump them
with the rather small problem area of addiction. If so, he is
fostering miscommunications and does himself a disservice.

#55

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>
> Why would I expect an idiot like you to ever know common internet
> abbrs? Now, if they were from the '60s and '70s I'm sure you'd
> remember.

You act like a bed-wetting child. Talk some sense and stop making
believe everyone should know nonsense that you know. I've told you,
geeks and nerds are of a very different mold than us successful
people.

The monkey boy is a fool and, once more, displays it for eveyone to
see. LMAO.

>
> > HAHAHA! AGAIN!! And you're not getting off that easy this time.
> It's no secret that thousands of so-called advantage players are

in

LV. I'm looking for proof that AT LEAST ONE OF THEM wins--and how

you

> > yourself KNOW they win.
>
> In one case the individual showed me a rather large check,

WOW! That means a LOT!!

You wanted proof I gave you some proof. If you don't want any then
quit asking.

in other
> cases I know where they gamble primarily and their play level
> guarantees that they will win (as I have been witness to)

Come on, are you THAT naiive??

No, I understand the facts and the mathematics. I don't have a
fraudulent system to defend like you do. By the way, not everyone
WILL win all the time, that I have mentioned more than once. One of
your problems is you see ONE example of someone losing as PROOF that
everyone loses. I can't call you naive, you are simply stupid.

Finally,
> the vpfree poll I mentioned is more than sufficient for me. Your
> immense ego is the only thing preventing you from seeing this
TRUTH. It's the only thing preventing you from admitting you're

wrong.

People who poll about their success or failure on vpfree are
generally a bunch of nickel & quarter-playing wannabees who set up
their fantasies after those the Queen publicly creates out of thin
air about herself, and those who chirp in as successes experience
momentary wins and get big heads over it like you do. You know
nothing about any of their consistency, other than to believe what
these gamblers say. You know how much that's worth, don't you?

It's worth a hell of lot more than anything that Robbie (monkey boy)
says. The results of the polls are anonymous. The respondents have no
motivation to lie. You would say anything to protect your worthless
system and your ego. It's so obvious ... everyone can see through
your motivations. Give it up.

>
> > Advantage play is advantage play, regardless of how you like to
> think it is.
>
> That's no quite true. One of the keys to SUCCESSFUL advantage

play

is finding the best possible edge.

No kidding. Even if I wanted to today, I could still go out and

find

better overall plays than any advantage player alive, because I

know

how to manipulate the system, I know people in the right places,

and

I know everything about casino play.

More monkey boy rhetoric without a shred of proof. If you think
anyone believes this BS you have totally lost it.

But I lost, and that tells me
everything I need to know.

Me too.

There's no way you're going to convince me
that there's anyone out there that is better than I am at doing

what

needs to be done in order to make it a success.

Not only is there "anyone", but there are hundreds out there. This
response shows clearly how your ego won't let you see the truth.

>
> > In case you haven't heard being way up there in the middle of
> > nowhere, most casinos have adopted a policy of not allowing

team

> > players to play at their progressives. Time to wake up, Dicky!!
>
> That's because the teams make money knocking off these
progressives,
> otherwise there wouldn't be teams. They are advantage players and
> make money which is exactly what you have been denying. Let go of
> that IMMENSE ego and you can also see the truth.
>
> But, just for argument let's assume a few high denom advantage
> players have lost. If they are trying to make money with a very
small
> edge (like my FPDB example), then, not only is it possible, it's
> probable (as predicted by the bell curve). Not understanding

these

> concepts is probably why you failed as an advantage player.

Another probability theory that looks good to a geek on paper, but
one that never rules the day in gambling.

It always RULEs the day ... the night ... and forever. It's all in
the math pure and simple. None of you grousing can change that FACT.

You really believe all that
stuff, or are you putting me on??

It has nothing to do with belief. It's FACT. The math doesn't care if
your playing VP, keno, Texas holdem or any set of random events. It's
the same for all random games. When you deny MATHEMATICAL fact you
are essentially taking a flat-earth position. Everyone else knows how
stupid your position is on this issue (but you).

>
> > YO! A hundred advantage players THAT WIN....LIKE YOU SAID THEY
> DO!!! Stick with the stream, and don't make changes for

convenience.

>
> If they don't apply the proper techniques then they are NOT
advantage
> players. If you want to call them wannabees, that's OK. True
> advantage players understand the need for a strong play.

Big deal. Anyone can do that. The proof is in consistent winning,
year-in and year-out.

Nope. That has nothing to do with anything. The proof is in the math,
pure and simple. You can continue to argue that the earth is flat and
your progressive system has merit. Both of them are equally false.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#56

Oh my God, now you're trying to justify your problem all over

again!

If it bothers you that much, why not seek help and end the

possession

rather than to keep trying to deny what you are?

I see you couldn't find a SINGLE thing wrong with my post. Not
surprising.

However, I knew your ego couldn't accept the truth. Your overwhelming
tendency to generalize everything is the product of low intellect or,
at best, pure laziness. In either case, not something to brag about.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#57

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>
> > How about 'temporarily winning addict'?? Either way you cut the
> cake, Dicky, you play far too often for your own 'long-term' good
(or whatever's left of it anyway), you are in casinos far too

often,

> and your 'vacations' are so tainted with the desire to make them
video-poker-playing laced that you easily blind yourself with all

the

> > rhetoric that tells you you're OK.
>
> Look's like you're finally seeing that I am a winner. We're

making

> progress. If you ever need some lessons on how to WIN using
advantage play techniques let me know. I can help you.

I'm believing you recently won something or else you wouldn't be so
pumped up when normally you are not. Not unlike every other addict

on

the planet either. You're in a fine "winning" group. Yes you

are.....

I see you still don't understand addiction. Do I need to spell it out
for you again. The best estimates put gambling addiction at no more
than 3%. I can repeat this for you if you'd like. 3%. It is quite
interesting that most experts state that avoidance is the only way to
lick this addiction. In addition, you state you were once addicted
and yet you still gamble. Puts it all in perspective ...

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#58

> You act like a bed-wetting child. Talk some sense and stop making
> believe everyone should know nonsense that you know. I've told

you, geeks and nerds are of a very different mold than us successful

> people.

The monkey boy is a fool and, once more, displays it for eveyone to
see. LMAO.

Real clever answer. Typical geek reply.

> > In one case the individual showed me a rather large check,
>
> WOW! That means a LOT!!

You wanted proof I gave you some proof. If you don't want any then
quit asking.

HAHAHAHA!!! How is it that such a paranoid geek requires proof of
everything from others right down to the gnat's ass, yet when it's
his turn he mysteriously lowers that level of proof to "Gee Rob, he
SHOWED me a check"!? More pathetic a bazooka there never was.

>
> Come on, are you THAT naiive??

No, I understand the facts and the mathematics. I don't have a
fraudulent system to defend like you do. By the way, not everyone
WILL win all the time, that I have mentioned more than once. One of
your problems is you see ONE example of someone losing as PROOF

that everyone loses. I can't call you naive, you are simply stupid.\

More rambling on about how you have proof that doesn't exist. You'd
be wise to stop here in order to keep the entire foot out of your
mouth. Either submit proof--not conjecture based on theory--or quit
while you're behind.

> People who poll about their success or failure on vpfree are
> generally a bunch of nickel & quarter-playing wannabees who set

up their fantasies after those the Queen publicly creates out of thin

> air about herself, and those who chirp in as successes experience
> momentary wins and get big heads over it like you do. You know
> nothing about any of their consistency, other than to believe

what these gamblers say. You know how much that's worth, don't you?

It's worth a hell of lot more than anything that Robbie (monkey

boy) says. The results of the polls are anonymous. The respondents
have no motivation to lie. You would say anything to protect your
worthless system and your ego. It's so obvious ... everyone can see
through your motivations. Give it up.

You know that losing gamblers do exactly as you do whether in public
or private: They make up a successful world of gambling that they're
involved with in order to create a feeling that they're really doing
something worth while. It's called DENIAL, Dicky. Whether anonymous
or not. Losing gamblers can in no way admit failure.

More monkey boy rhetoric without a shred of proof. If you think
anyone believes this BS you have totally lost it.

> But I lost, and that tells me
> everything I need to know.

Me too.

Just like a loser to say only that. So how do you feel now that I've
won $630k since losing $250k???

> There's no way you're going to convince me
> that there's anyone out there that is better than I am at doing
what needs to be done in order to make it a success.

Not only is there "anyone", but there are hundreds out there. This
response shows clearly how your ego won't let you see the truth.

HAHAHA again! More of the 'hundreds' myth with zero proof other
than "it has to be that way because I need to justify all the time I
waste playing".

> Another probability theory that looks good to a geek on paper,

but one that never rules the day in gambling.

It always RULEs the day ... the night ... and forever. It's all in
the math pure and simple. None of you grousing can change that FACT.

The fact of what? That there are teams of idiots playing for
progressives for someone else who is so overly addicted to the game
that individual play no longer thrills him? You're clearly clinging
onto your pathological dream in any way possible.

> You really believe all that
> stuff, or are you putting me on??

It has nothing to do with belief. It's FACT. The math doesn't care

if your playing VP, keno, Texas holdem or any set of random events.
It's the same for all random games. When you deny MATHEMATICAL fact
you are essentially taking a flat-earth position. Everyone else knows
how stupid your position is on this issue (but you).

blah blah blah with the math again. How boring can you get? When your
wife asks you to pass the salt, do you make her guess how long 'the
math' says it'll take it to get to her? See how stupid your approach
is!

> > > If they don't apply the proper techniques then they are NOT
> advantage players. If you want to call them wannabees, that's OK.

True advantage players understand the need for a strong play.

>
> Big deal. Anyone can do that. The proof is in consistent winning,
> year-in and year-out.

Nope. That has nothing to do with anything. The proof is in the

math, pure and simple. You can continue to argue that the earth is
flat and your progressive system has merit. Both of them are equally
false.

So now you have to change the subject again. The proof is ONLY in
consistent winning, and the math has nothing to do with it. In fact,
if it has anything at all to do with it as you claim, then it
explains why you and your 'hundreds' of advantage players lose.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#59

I see you couldn't find a SINGLE thing wrong with my post. Not
surprising.

What post??

However, I knew your ego couldn't accept the truth. Your

overwhelming tendency to generalize everything is the product of low
intellect or, at best, pure laziness. In either case, not something
to brag about.

Whatever you call it, it sure beats a life controlled by the constant
urge to play video poker based on make-believe theory that no one can
prove anything positive about. And your constant need, based on your
insecurity in the ability to articulate, to break every issue down
into tiny tidbits of other non-conforming information in order to
cover your lack of experience or knowledge on the issue, can only be
the result of a lifetime of constant failures. Certainly, a reason
to 'escape' by spending so many long hours in front of the vp
machines.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#60

> I'm believing you recently won something or else you wouldn't be

so pumped up when normally you are not. Not unlike every other addict

on the planet either. You're in a fine "winning" group. Yes you
are.....

I see you still don't understand addiction. Do I need to spell it

out

for you again. The best estimates put gambling addiction at no more
than 3%. I can repeat this for you if you'd like. 3%. It is quite
interesting that most experts state that avoidance is the only way

to lick this addiction. In addition, you state you were once addicted

and yet you still gamble. Puts it all in perspective ...

I've recently seen on the Internet where that figure you toss around
is closer to 29%. But I don't care about it anyway. 3% or 29%--You're
in there and you know it. Maybe some day, if you ever choose a method
of play that's successful, you'll see why I still play--although I'm
enjoying my 4+ months away from the low-lifes and smoke. You seem to
like to state what most 'experts' state. Well, they'd have to be ex-
addicts to be an expert, and I'm one. Read my site again in case
you've forgotten what this expert has to say about it all.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote: