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wrote:

> Interesting statement: "the temp really isn't an issue.", since

you

> brought up the subject to begin with. Looks like just another
> obfuscation.

You made another elementary mistake here. The temp isn't an issue

to

me. You're the one who harps on and on about how awful 110 must be.
Have you been so inaccurate throughout your entire life?

You started it, oh great idiot, or can't you remember back less than
a week.

> I only use strict logic when presented with problems to which
strict logic applies. You, only the other hand, avoid logic no

matter

what the problem. As far as you lying. It's so obvious a 3 year old
could see it.

That's your first problem: You think everything's a problem to be
solved, because you can't accept anything as true. If someone won't
offer mathematical proof, then you dismiss it with that closed mind.

Wrong again, oh great idiot, only math problems need a mathematical
proof. This IS a math problem.

That really tells me what a sour life you've led. Imagine living

with

you!

Try as you might you have no clue.

>
> First, you indicate you understand Reid's proof and that it

doesn't

> apply. I respond with evidence that it does apply.

A statement by me and a statement by you. You've provided evidence
only to the point that you wanted to. You've never explained where
Reid specifically shows MY Play Strategy doesn't work--and you

never

will be able to because it isn't there. So you become nebulous in a
defensive posture, and you were caught again.

Feel free to utter more garbage responses. You have indicated many
times that your strategy works on negative games. Reid's proof shows
that is impossible as a general strategy. Come on, tell me again that
the earth is flat.

>
> Next, you all of sudden come up 3 with unverifiable math experts
from foreign countries as the ones that support your system.

Again an assumption. How many times are you going to fail your own
approach to logic here? I never said that they 'support' my system.
What they did was confirm/correct/upgrade what I presented to them,
for which they were paid initially as well as a small royalty
according to our signed Agreements.

Well, if that isn't support your definition is a little different
than mine. Of course, this is just another obfuscation on your part.
I already know these guys don't exist.

I respond with a simple request for their names and addresses.
Nothing required relative to confidential information. You refuse.

So why should I comply with you?

I could care less if you "comply" with me. You're the one with the
fradulent system until you show otherwise. If you don't show proof
then you are admitting you lied all along.

You refuse to meet me in LV, you are
afraid to bet with me, and for all I know you're nothing more than

an

Internet hack like the others.

Why should I go along with your attempts at changing the subject.
Besides you backed out of my challenge as well.

All I see is a grouchy old man with
nothing better to do than trade e-mails with someone more

successful

than you in video poker (and probably everything else too).

You don't see too clearly do you. Must be too many tequilas.

>
> Next, you bring up confidentiality which has nothing to do with
names and addresses. Then, you bring up royalties which again has
nothing to do with names and adddress.

That's what your limited knowledge here says, and because you're a
stubborn old fellow we'll never get around that. Like I said--

imagine

living with you.

Another ridiculous attempt to change the subject. Your fraudulent
system is the topic so either show proof or shut up.

>
> If it were true you could easily verify it. Since you don't, you
are obviously lying.

....Or how about this scenario: I gain nothing by verifying

anything

to an Internet hack like you. See the common sense in it yet?

Never seen any common sense in your replies, only attempts to avoid
admitting the truth. Either show proof or shut up.

>
> However, none of your ficticious math experts are even required.
> Reid's paper PROVES a progressive system CANNOT make a negative
game positive.

Please say that again, because I've NEVER heard that before! You're
such a slave to this stuff, and it's hilarious!

And you'll keep hearing it until to come up with a proof or go away
for good.

> It gets back to the "flat earth" point I made earlier. Just like
> the "flat earth" believers centuries ago stood up and said things
> like "look around you, it's common sense that the earth is flat".
You stand up and argue against the simple math behind advantage

play.

You look just as ridiculous to me as the "flat earthers" look to
everyone today.

Are you really that dense? Do you now STILL not see why I won't
bother supplying you with anything? "The earth is either round or
flat"--big surprise.

The point, oh great idiot, is that it ISN'T flat. By the way, it
isn't round either.

It's either A or B, and it is defined by
science.

No, it's not defined by science. Science just explains nature.

Video poker is played by humans, and according to you, their
brains cannot come close to what's inside a computer.

I've never said that.

Robots don't
play the game--we do. You may enjoy approaching the game as a

boring,

monotonous robot would--and get your rocks off in doing so because
you are so fascinated by numbers--but to those who realize we're
never going to be able to play even close to flawlessly for as long
as the 'numbers' say we need to in order to attain a useless, tiny
percentage, it isn't difficult to figure out what I have to beat

the

machines so consistently. What your BIG problem is is that it

wasn't

YOU who did that, so it means that can't POSSIBLY be true.

I didn't come up with any math. That happened hundreds of years ago.
All I'm doing is pointing out your system is invalid. I could care
less how you play. I'm just pointing out your system can't change a
negative game into a positive expectation. Reid's paper proves it and
you have nothing to counter.

>
> Please go back to the 3rd grade. Maybe your teacher can explain

it

to you.

Kind of hard to argue common sense, isn't it.....
>
> I thought you didn't believe in comps, I guess you're really just

a

> closet fan of the Queen after all.

There you are again--thinking. I thought all you math/computer

geeks

are self-taught in the art of not thinking. I use a card on Romp
strategies, and with far less play than the Queen (yes, I factually
know how much she and her boyfriend play) I get 5 times the comps.

I

guess you haven't read my article "The God of Comps".
>
> Since you bypassed hundreds of mathematicians in the US (if not

AZ)

I assumed they must be famous. Why else would you bother?

Yet another assumption! I was living in Munich at the time, and

these

guys either worked for US Aerospace firms or were math professors

in

the UK.
>
> You need no proof of anything.

What's the matter--nervous about having to PROVE something?

Not me, oh great idiot, it's your system. And, you have to disprove
Reid's paper if you want anyone to believe you.

I don't care about what they talked to you about. Just prove they
exist. Of course, you can't and this is just another tactic to

avoid

admitting you lied about them all along.

OK, let's bet $10,000 on your assertion first, and then I'll give

you

their phone humbers. (But you'll need me as the translator for the
Chinese).

You think your 3rd grade behavior bothers me? Get real. Like I said
before just send me their names and addresses. It's not my system
that's in question. If you refuse it's pretty evident that you were
lying all along. So, either put up or go away with your tail between
your legs.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

> You made another elementary mistake here. The temp isn't an issue
to me. You're the one who harps on and on about how awful 110 must

be. Have you been so inaccurate throughout your entire life?

You started it, oh great idiot, or can't you remember back less

than

a week.

You're so dumb, Einstein. We're talking about 110 and not the 70 or
80 degrees you brought up in some nonsensical weak sort of defense.
I'll bet you've had this problem lifelong.

Wrong again, oh great idiot, only math problems need a mathematical
proof. This IS a math problem.

To you, EVERYTHING is a math problem. You look at every situation as
having some type of root in math before reality, so you manufacture a
problem around it and try to solve it with that slide rule of yours.
That sounds like a HEAP of fun. Video poker AS PLAYED BY HUMANS is
not able to be correctly analyzed by math alone. It takes a ton of
common sense--something you've proven to have a serious lack of.

Feel free to utter more garbage responses. You have indicated many
times that your strategy works on negative games. Reid's proof

shows that is impossible as a general strategy. Come on, tell me
again that the earth is flat.

That's your typical way of being nebulous when pinned down. No one
can prove that I'm not able to win as I do, and you and your friend
Reid haven't either. You may WANT it to be that way because you're so
neurotic about it all, but you just can't do it. Thus, the extreme
jealousy and name-calling by you.

Well, if that isn't support your definition is a little different
than mine. Of course, this is just another obfuscation on your part.

Looks like you need to visit the Queen one more time. she must be
getting tired of you asking for assistance.

I already know these guys don't exist.

I thought Mr. Wizards don't present any info that isn't grounded in
proof. Again, show me the proof on this statement too, genius.

I could care less if you "comply" with me. You're the one with the
fradulent system until you show otherwise. If you don't show proof
then you are admitting you lied all along.

If I don't show you then I am smart. You're an Internet hack and
haven't shown anything to the contrary. I'm famous and make a whole
lot of money playing video poker and you're jealous. Plus you act
like a wimp when you won't defend yourself by showing up and meeting
with me.

Another ridiculous attempt to change the subject. Your fraudulent
system is the topic so either show proof or shut up.

I told you--YOU show up and I'll take you around to the casinos for
proof. But you're too old and too chicken to do that. Not my fault!
Math proof only supports a theory. I'll give you ACTUAL proof. You
still want to back off?

And you'll keep hearing it until to come up with a proof or go away
for good.

Let's bet right now--I'll outlast you in every way on this. Ask the
others who are still crying in their beer over the fact that I've
become stronger instead of having faded away as THEY predicted 5
years ago. You're simply another hack victim who wants to think and
believe you've found the rainbow at the end of the pot of gold.
Everything you people do turns out to be backwards by the time the
day is done, and I'll continue to let everyone become more and more
aware of it.

The point, oh great idiot, is that it ISN'T flat. By the way, it
isn't round either.

Duh, again. You mean it really isn't flat? And it ain't 'perfectly'
round? So prove it....show me proof genius.

No, it's not defined by science. Science just explains nature.

....which is defined by science. If you REALLY went to an accredited
4 year college you'd know that.

> Video poker is played by humans, and according to you, their
> brains cannot come close to what's inside a computer.

I've never said that.

I didn't say you 'said' that. It's what you keep on trying to
portray. You have more trust in computers than you do humans. You do
not believe a human can figure something out that a computer cannot
calculate. That's a dependency problem, and it's a shame.

I didn't come up with any math. That happened hundreds of years ago.

You're a slave to it though, and as closed-minded as all math geeks.

All I'm doing is pointing out your system is invalid. I could care
less how you play. I'm just pointing out your system can't change a
negative game into a positive expectation. Reid's paper proves it

and you have nothing to counter.

Read what I said above again. The proof is NOT in the theory, but in
actual results. That's what human beings care about--not what some
stupid math model says should happen in its own little perfect world.
Only serious neurotics believe in that fantasy because they would go
into TILT if it were any other way.
  

> There you are again--thinking. I thought all you math/computer
geeks are self-taught in the art of not thinking. I use a card on

Romp strategies, and with far less play than the Queen (yes, I
factually know how much she and her boyfriend play) I get 5 times the
comps.

Not me, oh great idiot, it's your system. And, you have to disprove
Reid's paper if you want anyone to believe you.

I think you see the basic problem now with your contradictory
argement. No matter how many time I say this, you always fall right
back into it when you run out of room. I don't care who believes me,
who tries to play like me, and who wins or loses--EXCEPT me. You nuts
keep on with your ultra-neurotic desire for meaningless, theoretical
proof, and if you had it you STILL wouldn't believe it because it
would put your simple minds into such a tilt mode over your
compulsive habit of playing video poker to the math that you'd end up
dazed & confused with that "It does not COMPUTE" crazed look in your
eyes. So by you refusing to meet me in LV to show actual proof,
you're only saving your own mind from becoming lost in all your own
minutia over it.

You think your 3rd grade behavior bothers me? Get real.

Why 3rd grade. Did you calculate the grade somehow, and can you PROVE
it? HAHAHA again!

Like I said

before just send me their names and addresses. It's not my system
that's in question. If you refuse it's pretty evident that you were
lying all along. So, either put up or go away

I didn't know my 'system' was in question! All it is is an irritant
to people like you, and it's so enjoyable watching you agonize over
something you can't figure out. I'm betting that when you math nuts
play video poker, you sit there time and again saying "I should have
listened to RS and I wouldn't be losing right now". Happens all the
time.

....with your tail between your legs.

Seems like I've heard that earlier. Is that a Dick original??

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

...snip same meaningless garbage you've posted all along.

Rob, your system is in question because you stated it will win even
on negative games. You've done this even though Reid's proof shows
otherwise. You've also stated advantage play does not work. If you're
going to do this on an open internet forum then you need to show
proof. Short terms win mean nothing as the lottery clears shows.

If you are can't provide a mathematical proof then shut up and go
away.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

Be accurate for a change. I stated I win consistently with it, that I
play 95% perfect play, and that most of the games I play are
DDB/TBP+, etc. which are, to you, 'negative' games. I assert they are
only negative games if you lose on the day you play them. Nothing
else makes sense. All day long you can play with math models, quote
theory, submit probability calculations, chant about risk of ruin and
required bankroll calculations, and whine all you want about why you
don't win as much as or as often as I do. And you can praise people
who waste their time believing in that nonsense with websites like
Jazbo, etc. But it won't change the fact that people play this game
and not robots, and that they have various variable limitations as
well as distractibility and imperfection to deal with--which
translates into human beings only being able to win with your method
by being lucky anyway--EXACTLY the basis of my winning Play
Strategies.

There is no strict layout of mathematical proof as you keep begging
for. The basis begins with math, it was qualified using some math,
and the development was finalized thru the use of human factors that
you certainly wouldn't begin to understand. And it was developed only
for me, because I have the unique abilities and particular
circumstances required in order for it to work. I have yet to run
into any other player of the game who has the traits I do, although
many are trying and trying.

I suggest you be the one to go away before you go nuts with this.
I'll be around exposing expert-play fools for a long, long time until
I pass away. And long after I go, my message will live on. Idiots
like Randy C. and really only a few others will be bothered by the
legend, while most will enjoy the help I've given them.

BTW--Go on over to my site again and see a glimpse of my new book to
be released in 2-3 weeks. I'll send you a comp copy if you'd like. I
know that will help your overall gaming budget, and will instantly
become the positive part of your 'advantage' game.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

Rob, your system is in question because you stated it will win even
on negative games.

... snip more self promoting nonsense.

OK, let's dicuss the human aspect of VP.

I hope we can agree that the VP machine itself is non-human (unless
you wish to put a little elf inside it). It is simply one or more
electronic components (computers) working together to provide a
random, fair game that simulates a 52 (or more) card deck (which is
required by law for all class III machines made in Nevada). Agree? If
not, explain.

Now then, what are the human interactions.

1) insert cash in specific machine
2) cash out
3) hit deal
4) select hold cards
5) hit draw

Clearly, no advantage is gained by 1). Unless the machine spits out
extra coins then no advantage can be gained by 2) as well. Unless you
claim psychic powers then 3) and 5) are not available to gain an
advantage either. So, it all comes down to 4).

When selecting cards you have 32 possible unique selections ranging
from holding all five to tossing all five. It is easy to compute
the "average payback" over all possible draws of each of the 32
possible holds. This is how expert play strategy was developed.
Choosing the best hold (highest "average payback") on every deal is
the root of advantage play. Using advantage play which, by the way,
is a human choice, cannot change a negative game into a positive
game.

So, please describe the unique human condition that can overcome this
problem.

In addition, explain how a progression (increasing your bet) changes
anything stated above.

Dick

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

You never have and never will bother me. As for your legend, everyone who
knows anything at all about VP knows your true legend. I'm here because it
amuses me to read your rants. You come off as such a lying idiot and you
have no clue as to how you look. I've been a successful "advantage" player
for 5 years. I know of many other successful "advantage" players. They are
intelligent enough to play using the math, unlike you were able to do when
you tried "advantage play." And I'm not talking about any of the writers out
there. These are people who are out there to make money playing. Period.
Everything you write is just amusement for anyone who's got half a brain to
understand the not very difficult math that is used in "advantage" play. You
are a total joke to anyone serious about Video Poker. And your help to
others?? Now you state you are the only one in the world smart enough to use
your strategies.

You can continue to call everyone who disagrees with you all the names you
want. That seems to be what you are best at. But it still doesn't change the
fact that we are all laughing at you.

···

-----Original Message-----
From: deadin7 [mailto:dead…@…com]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:56 AM
To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Refreshing information

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

Rob, your system is in question because you stated it will win even
on negative games.

Be accurate for a change. I stated I win consistently with it, that I
play 95% perfect play, and that most of the games I play are
DDB/TBP+, etc. which are, to you, 'negative' games. I assert they are
only negative games if you lose on the day you play them. Nothing
else makes sense. All day long you can play with math models, quote
theory, submit probability calculations, chant about risk of ruin and
required bankroll calculations, and whine all you want about why you
don't win as much as or as often as I do. And you can praise people
who waste their time believing in that nonsense with websites like
Jazbo, etc. But it won't change the fact that people play this game
and not robots, and that they have various variable limitations as
well as distractibility and imperfection to deal with--which
translates into human beings only being able to win with your method
by being lucky anyway--EXACTLY the basis of my winning Play
Strategies.

There is no strict layout of mathematical proof as you keep begging
for. The basis begins with math, it was qualified using some math,
and the development was finalized thru the use of human factors that
you certainly wouldn't begin to understand. And it was developed only
for me, because I have the unique abilities and particular
circumstances required in order for it to work. I have yet to run
into any other player of the game who has the traits I do, although
many are trying and trying.

I suggest you be the one to go away before you go nuts with this.
I'll be around exposing expert-play fools for a long, long time until
I pass away. And long after I go, my message will live on. Idiots
like Randy C. and really only a few others will be bothered by the
legend, while most will enjoy the help I've given them.

BTW--Go on over to my site again and see a glimpse of my new book to
be released in 2-3 weeks. I'll send you a comp copy if you'd like. I
know that will help your overall gaming budget, and will instantly
become the positive part of your 'advantage' game.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Randy C [mailto:ran…@…net]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:13 AM
To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Refreshing information

You never have and never will bother me. As for your legend, everyone who
knows anything at all about VP knows your true legend. I'm here because it
amuses me to read your rants. You come off as such a lying idiot and you
have no clue as to how you look. I've been a successful "advantage" player
for 5 years. I know of many other successful "advantage" players. They are
intelligent enough to play using the math, unlike you were able to do when
you tried "advantage play." And I'm not talking about any of the writers out
there. These are people who are out there to make money playing. Period.
Everything you write is just amusement for anyone who's got half a brain to
understand the not very difficult math that is used in "advantage" play. You
are a total joke to anyone serious about Video Poker. And your help to
others?? Now you state you are the only one in the world smart enough to use
your strategies.

You can continue to call everyone who disagrees with you all the names you
want. That seems to be what you are best at. But it still doesn't change the
fact that we are all laughing at you.

-----Original Message-----
From: deadin7 [mailto:dead…@…com]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:56 AM
To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Refreshing information

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

Rob, your system is in question because you stated it will win even
on negative games.

Be accurate for a change. I stated I win consistently with it, that I
play 95% perfect play, and that most of the games I play are
DDB/TBP+, etc. which are, to you, 'negative' games. I assert they are
only negative games if you lose on the day you play them. Nothing
else makes sense. All day long you can play with math models, quote
theory, submit probability calculations, chant about risk of ruin and
required bankroll calculations, and whine all you want about why you
don't win as much as or as often as I do. And you can praise people
who waste their time believing in that nonsense with websites like
Jazbo, etc. But it won't change the fact that people play this game
and not robots, and that they have various variable limitations as
well as distractibility and imperfection to deal with--which
translates into human beings only being able to win with your method
by being lucky anyway--EXACTLY the basis of my winning Play
Strategies.

There is no strict layout of mathematical proof as you keep begging
for. The basis begins with math, it was qualified using some math,
and the development was finalized thru the use of human factors that
you certainly wouldn't begin to understand. And it was developed only
for me, because I have the unique abilities and particular
circumstances required in order for it to work. I have yet to run
into any other player of the game who has the traits I do, although
many are trying and trying.

I suggest you be the one to go away before you go nuts with this.
I'll be around exposing expert-play fools for a long, long time until
I pass away. And long after I go, my message will live on. Idiots
like Randy C. and really only a few others will be bothered by the
legend, while most will enjoy the help I've given them.

BTW--Go on over to my site again and see a glimpse of my new book to
be released in 2-3 weeks. I'll send you a comp copy if you'd like. I
know that will help your overall gaming budget, and will instantly
become the positive part of your 'advantage' game.

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I hope we can agree that the VP machine itself is non-human (unless
you wish to put a little elf inside it). It is simply one or more
electronic components (computers) working together to provide a
random, fair game that simulates a 52 (or more) card deck (which is
required by law for all class III machines made in Nevada). Agree?

If not, explain.

I don't totally agree with that (see my April 6th GT article from my
ARTICLES section on my site), but at the time the strategies were
developed, all machines were assumed to being random.

Now then, what are the human interactions.

1) insert cash in specific machine
2) cash out
3) hit deal
4) select hold cards
5) hit draw

Clearly, no advantage is gained by 1). Unless the machine spits out
extra coins then no advantage can be gained by 2) as well. Unless

you

claim psychic powers then 3) and 5) are not available to gain an
advantage either. So, it all comes down to 4).

When selecting cards you have 32 possible unique selections ranging
from holding all five to tossing all five. It is easy to compute
the "average payback" over all possible draws of each of the 32
possible holds. This is how expert play strategy was developed.
Choosing the best hold (highest "average payback") on every deal is
the root of advantage play. Using advantage play which, by the way,
is a human choice, cannot change a negative game into a positive
game. So, please describe the unique human condition that can

overcome this problem.

You take a closed-minded approach to playing the game as you've just
pointed out, and that is the reason so-called 'advantage play'
doesn't work. It is nothing more than a theory based on a math model
that no human can compete with. Why do you think casinos offer sooo
many promotions to rope your type player in all the time? Yes, they
ALWAYS have the long-term advantage over everyone no matter what.
Only a die-hard wouldn't choose to see that.

Your list of 5 human interactions with the computer while playing are
incomplete, and they only address the mechanical effort. And
actually, the items you listed are 98% of the skill involved in
playing the game to the utmost advantage. The rest is in assuming a
knowledge of the game enough to allow common sense to guide each hold.
You left out the player's choice to get up and leave when ahead, a
position players find themselves in nearly every time they play--even
those poor souls who don't know enough or cannot afford to increase
the denomination after a pre-set stop-loss. This is something no
casino wants players to do, and is the ONLY reason the local casinos
in LV will not allow me to teach my method of play--even though I
offered to do it everywhere FOR FREE. It turns out the casino
managers do operate with common sense after all.

In addition, explain how a progression (increasing your bet)

changes anything stated above.

I don't think you'll allow yourself to understand anything unless
it's presented in a ones & zeroes format, but this is the answer. We
already know playing table games using Martingale will be disastrous
sooner or later. But in vp, it is variable when the progression steps
in - and it is not constant, and although I won't be able to show you
on paper at this time, it was calculated by my mathematicians that
increasing the volatility of the game of choice again, variably,
along with the progression in denomination, in greater than 95% of
the sessions the player will come out ahead. If you counter with the
point that a loss will be a very large one, yes it likely will (and
I've had one in the mid-30's, and one RF at $25 even though I rarely
need to go to that level), but along the way so many other large
winners are hit that it easily negates the effect of the very very
infrequent disaster--even WITHOUT the $100k royal.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

You never have and never will bother me.

Right.

As for your legend, everyone who

knows anything at all about VP knows your true legend. I'm here

because it amuses me to read your rants.

Right again, and the last fool who said that ended up asking me to
train him.

You come off as such a lying idiot and you have no clue as to how you
look. I've been a successful "advantage" player for 5 years. I know
of many other successful "advantage" players.

Gee, where have I heard that before. Someone who enjoys what I write
for amusement, yet is a "successful" ADVANTAGE player. And for 5
years? Well then, you aren't even half-way to what your Queen blabs
about of herself and her live-in boyfriend, whom she also turned into
a gambling addict.

These are people who are out there to make money playing. Period.

If anyone other than me makes even half of what I do in 10 times the
amount of unhealthy casino-going, then it is ONLY because they've
been lucky. Their belief in this nonsense long-term strategy skill is
only a feel-good position so they can justify their compulsion to
play so much, always hoping for a good day to come along.

Everything you write is just amusement for anyone who's got half a
brain to understand the not very difficult math that is used
in "advantage" play. You are a total joke to anyone serious about
Video Poker.

I like the half-a-brain portion. It seems so true.

And your help to others?? Now you state you are the only one in the
world smart enough to use your strategies.

You're just like your buddy Dick. You claim logic is on your side,
but then you go and spoil it all by assuming something that's
baseless. I didn't say I was the only one 'smart' enough to be
successful with my play strategies. I said my particular abilities &
circumstances make it so. The many people I assist use a variation of
what I use, because they all come from the expert-play school and
want to finally learn how to both win and have fun doing it.

You can continue to call everyone who disagrees with you all the

names youwant. That seems to be what you are best at. But it still
doesn't change the fact that we are all laughing at you.

Laugh all you like. I still enjoy the laughter as you read what I
have to say. It's people like you and the Queen who just can't wait
for GT to come out each week to get some education on video poker.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

raining!

You're still stuck on that I see. It's 25% where I live, but where
were you yeaterday when it didn't go over 17 and was near 11 most of
the day? You long-term geeks know how to take an average, do you not?

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

Oh ya, and the humidity in Phoenix right now is 29% and it's NOT

First it was all the way up to the "high teens". Now it's an average.

LOL

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Oh ya, and the humidity in Phoenix right now is 29% and it's NOT

raining!

You're still stuck on that I see. It's 25% where I live, but where
were you yeaterday when it didn't go over 17 and was near 11 most of
the day? You long-term geeks know how to take an average, do you not?

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average.

There you go again--makin' another geek-powered mistake. I asked you
if you knew how to average. In slide-rule geek terms, that means one
day is in the teens and the next day may not be. It also may be in
single digits, and I wonder why you didn't pick up on that..... Oh, i
know. You're waaaay too busy 'studying' the perfect plays on
WinPoker, or maybe you were even dumb enough to be roped into buying
the Queen's waste-of-time thing--the one that Jim Wolf came to me
first to sponsor through my publisher, and I wouldn't waste my time
with.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

First it was all the way up to the "high teens". Now it's an

LOL

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To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

First it was all the way up to the "high teens". Now it's an

average.

There you go again--makin' another geek-powered mistake. I asked you
if you knew how to average. In slide-rule geek terms, that means one
day is in the teens and the next day may not be. It also may be in
single digits, and I wonder why you didn't pick up on that..... Oh, i
know. You're waaaay too busy 'studying' the perfect plays on
WinPoker, or maybe you were even dumb enough to be roped into buying
the Queen's waste-of-time thing--the one that Jim Wolf came to me
first to sponsor through my publisher, and I wouldn't waste my time
with.

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And here's another. Where's your oversized mouth now when the airport
humidity is 12%? Or are you on the computer making believe you're
winning again....

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LOL

LOL

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LOL

And here's another. Where's your oversized mouth now when the airport
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Now then, what are the human interactions.
>
> 1) insert cash in specific machine
> 2) cash out
> 3) hit deal
> 4) select hold cards
> 5) hit draw
>
> Clearly, no advantage is gained by 1). Unless the machine spits

out

> extra coins then no advantage can be gained by 2) as well. Unless
you
> claim psychic powers then 3) and 5) are not available to gain an
> advantage either. So, it all comes down to 4).
>
> When selecting cards you have 32 possible unique selections

ranging

> from holding all five to tossing all five. It is easy to compute
> the "average payback" over all possible draws of each of the 32
> possible holds. This is how expert play strategy was developed.
> Choosing the best hold (highest "average payback") on every deal

is

> the root of advantage play. Using advantage play which, by the

way,

> is a human choice, cannot change a negative game into a positive
> game. So, please describe the unique human condition that can
overcome this problem.

You take a closed-minded approach to playing the game as you've

just

pointed out, and that is the reason so-called 'advantage play'
doesn't work. It is nothing more than a theory based on a math

model

that no human can compete with.

I just asked you to provide the human interaction. You come back with
a redundent reply that has been proved wrong by hundreds of advantage
players. By the way, it's not theory. It's fact.

You might as well tell me the earth is flat. The fact is the earth is
not flat. Same principle.

Why do you think casinos offer sooo
many promotions to rope your type player in all the time? Yes, they
ALWAYS have the long-term advantage over everyone no matter what.
Only a die-hard wouldn't choose to see that.

I explained this to you before. So, once again, they have promotions
to attract the AVERAGE player, not the advantage player. If you have
conclusive evidence otherwise, post it.

Your list of 5 human interactions with the computer while playing

are

incomplete, and they only address the mechanical effort. And
actually, the items you listed are 98% of the skill involved in
playing the game to the utmost advantage. The rest is in assuming a
knowledge of the game enough to allow common sense to guide each

hold.

You love to use the term "common sense". You are once again taking
the flat earth position. Do you understand the definition
of "common"? Anyone who has every played VP knows that there is
nothing "common" about expert play. The only reason you use it in
your arguments is you have nothing specific to say.

You left out the player's choice to get up and leave when ahead,

No I didn't. That's number 2). However, if the player EVER goes back
and puts money in another VP machine they are back at the same place.
The next bet is the next bet period. So, no advantage is gained. If
you disagree explain how it is different and how it gains the player
an advantage.

a
position players find themselves in nearly every time they play--

Actually, I don't find this to be true "nearly every time" I play.
Probably, a little less than half the time.

even
those poor souls who don't know enough or cannot afford to increase
the denomination after a pre-set stop-loss.

And if they increase the denomination .... What happens to gain them
an advantage?

This is something no
casino wants players to do, and is the ONLY reason the local

casinos

in LV will not allow me to teach my method of play--even though I
offered to do it everywhere FOR FREE. It turns out the casino
managers do operate with common sense after all.

No, they worry about the liability. Teaching a system that will lead
the MAJORITY of players to lose bigtime would open them up to legal
action that they don't want. Dream on.

> In addition, explain how a progression (increasing your bet)
changes anything stated above.

I don't think you'll allow yourself to understand anything unless
it's presented in a ones & zeroes format, but this is the answer.

We

already know playing table games using Martingale will be

disastrous

sooner or later. But in vp, it is variable when the progression

steps

in - and it is not constant, and although I won't be able to show

you

on paper at this time, it was calculated by my mathematicians that
increasing the volatility of the game of choice again, variably,
along with the progression in denomination, in greater than 95% of
the sessions the player will come out ahead.

On an even bet with just 5 progressions you'll come out even or ahead
97% of the time (31-32). So what. It's still just an even bet.
However, the higher the volatility the less likely you are to come
out ahead, all this does is increase the number of progressions
required. And, just like in the even bet it does not change the
overall payback.

If you counter with the
point that a loss will be a very large one, yes it likely will (and
I've had one in the mid-30's, and one RF at $25 even though I

rarely

need to go to that level), but along the way so many other large
winners are hit that it easily negates the effect of the very very
infrequent disaster--even WITHOUT the $100k royal.

Nothing here to show how human interaction makes any difference.
While your own experience may lead you to believe there's something
special to a your version of a progressive system, it's just an
illusion. The thing you should worry about is that illusion could
come tumbling down around your bankroll at any time.

You have shown absolutely nothing to counter Reid's proof.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

I just asked you to provide the human interaction. You come back

with a redundent reply that has been proved wrong by hundreds of
advantage players. By the way, it's not theory. It's fact.

The redundancy here is that I have my own experience to draw on along
with hundreds of other's who meet with me to personally tell me how
advantage play doesn't work at all--yet you say it has been proven to
work by hundreds of others. You operate solely from hearsay, and like
I've said, when you and your buddy Randy C. come out and say "but Gee
Rob, it works for me" it is very clear you're attempting to justify a
compulsion which makes you both play far longer than is right for
your own good. In short, it's nothing more than a confidence builder
for a feel-good position, and that has NOTHING to do with being a
successful gambler.

You might as well tell me the earth is flat. The fact is the earth

is not flat. Same principle.

That analogy still makes no sense.

I explained this to you before. So, once again, they have

promotions to attract the AVERAGE player, not the advantage player.
If you have conclusive evidence otherwise, post it.

I guess that's the type of weak response expected from an armchair
player. I'm out there all the time talking to casino managers in many
of the local dumps you people say you like to play in because of the
25c FPDW machines. I've written a number of articles about it, naming
the casinos where the managers have both told me that as well as
dissed my offer for free classes. Your claim that the promotions are
to take the money from average players is exactly what I'd expect
from you. Most of their profits from promos come directly from those
who believe they can beat the system like you do. Blind statements
like you made above are for the sole purpose of falsely building your
confidence in the misleading way you play. It is very obvious at all
times.

You love to use the term "common sense". You are once again taking
the flat earth position. Do you understand the definition
of "common"? Anyone who has every played VP knows that there is
nothing "common" about expert play. The only reason you use it in
your arguments is you have nothing specific to say.

You even mislead yourself in your statements, and they become more
cloudy as you become confused. Who said there was something common
about expert play besides you? How many times can you say 1+1=2? What
guides people who play to win (and not just to play to see how they'd
do in a math test) is simple common sense, and optimal play people
are lacking in that quality to a great extent.

> You left out the player's choice to get up and leave when ahead,
No I didn't. That's number 2). However, if the player EVER goes

back and puts money in another VP machine they are back at the same
place. The next bet is the next bet period. So, no advantage is
gained. If you disagree explain how it is different and how it gains
the player an advantage.

If that's what you meant by #2 then you have a problem communicating
what you're thinking. Every time a player plays, it is clearly a
totally separate event. If I play today and win a dollar, that has
nothing to do with the next time I play. That's where the optimal
play crowd is so misled. They believe it's one continual event, yet
they have nothing to prove that it is. And please don't bore us with
those math models, Reid, Jazbo, or info from any other hack who
doesn't really play the game. All they can do is rant on about how I
can't possibly be playing individual short-term play. And that's also
the reason I win far more and far more often than your crowd does.

Actually, I don't find this to be true "nearly every time" I play.
Probably, a little less than half the time.

Then you don't really play, as I suspected. And if you ever played
one of my strategies, you'd see where being ahead at some time during
the session is almost a 100% event. Of course, that's also using a
gaming bankroll that most of you armchair critics don't have, so all
you can do is quote what some geek has to say about it.

And if they increase the denomination .... What happens to gain

them an advantage?

They win consistently, and the large losses are far more than
compensated by the huge winners along the way. That's from
experience, and not from some dumb math model. I play for real, which
most of you never do.

No, they worry about the liability. Teaching a system that will

lead the MAJORITY of players to lose bigtime would open them up to
legal action that they don't want. Dream on.

That's such a stupid statement from someone who without a doubt has
no experience in the legal system. In your life as a computer
programmer, look at what it's done to you. Thinking is not an option,
and everything is in a straight line.

  
On an even bet with just 5 progressions you'll come out even or

ahead 97% of the time (31-32). So what. It's still just an even bet.

Say what? Why are still stuck on a BJ progression?

However, the higher the volatility the less likely you are to come
out ahead, all this does is increase the number of progressions
required. And, just like in the even bet it does not change the
overall payback.

Not so. Video poker play has such a large number of hands played at
the same denomination with such variable payouts that it has nothing
to do with your assumption.

Nothing here to show how human interaction makes any difference.

Nothing to a person who doesn't believe in the fact that setting
goals and doing exactly what you said you'd do allows one to win so
often and so much. But like it and believe it or not, it is a fact
for me, and i am no luckier than the next guy when it comes to
playing. I just play ore intelligently and with a purpose to win
money--and NOT to see how well i'd do on a math test.

While your own experience may lead you to believe there's something
special to a your version of a progressive system, it's just an
illusion. The thing you should worry about is that illusion could
come tumbling down around your bankroll at any time.

Do you know how many time all the gurus and math geeks have said that
to me, yet my gaming bankroll keeps on getting larger, I keep rolling
on, and more and more people are talking to me about why they don't
win playing "like the experts do"? People like you who aren't known
have little to lose or gain by all your rambling on on Internet
forums. You probably get your little fix every time you come here,
because you can't play much. I on the other hand have no worries
whatsoever putting my reputation out their for everyone to see,
because I'm truthful, I'm understanding, and I have no problem
exposing all the misleading info and sales pitches as given out by
your heroes. We're a world apart and that bothers you. But it doesn't
stop you from hiding behind your computer and not taking me up on my
offer to prove results while holding your hand in LV. That is
predictable from all your type.

You have shown absolutely nothing to counter Reid's proof.

And you have shown nothing in Reid's statements that disprove what I
say.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> I just asked you to provide the human interaction. You come back
with a redundent reply that has been proved wrong by hundreds of
advantage players. By the way, it's not theory. It's fact.

The redundancy here is that I have my own experience to draw on

along

with hundreds of other's who meet with me to personally tell me how
advantage play doesn't work at all--yet you say it has been proven

to

work by hundreds of others. You operate solely from hearsay, and

like

I've said, when you and your buddy Randy C. come out and say "but

Gee

Rob, it works for me" it is very clear you're attempting to justify

a

compulsion which makes you both play far longer than is right for
your own good. In short, it's nothing more than a confidence

builder

for a feel-good position, and that has NOTHING to do with being a
successful gambler.

Now back to the compulsion story. Since I haven't been in a casino in
over 3 weeks where does that leave me? How many times have you
gambled in the last two weeks? If you want to find compulsion just
look in the mirror.

>
> You might as well tell me the earth is flat. The fact is the

earth

is not flat. Same principle.

That analogy still makes no sense.

Figures. Your position on gambling is EQUIVALENT to the position
taken by the flat earth believers centuries ago. Ignore all the facts
and claim common sense as their logic. It was wrong then and it's
wrong now.

>
> I explained this to you before. So, once again, they have
promotions to attract the AVERAGE player, not the advantage player.
If you have conclusive evidence otherwise, post it.

I guess that's the type of weak response expected from an armchair
player. I'm out there all the time talking to casino managers in

many

of the local dumps you people say you like to play in because of

the

25c FPDW machines. I've written a number of articles about it,

naming

the casinos where the managers have both told me that as well as
dissed my offer for free classes. Your claim that the promotions

are

to take the money from average players is exactly what I'd expect
from you. Most of their profits from promos come directly from

those

who believe they can beat the system like you do. Blind statements
like you made above are for the sole purpose of falsely building

your

confidence in the misleading way you play. It is very obvious at

all

times.

Talk about hearsay. I ask for conclusive evidence. I think you need a
little marketing 101. Of course they target the "average" player.
That's the largest demographic. To do anything else would not make
marketing sense Mr. MBA.

>
> You love to use the term "common sense". You are once again

taking

> the flat earth position. Do you understand the definition
> of "common"? Anyone who has every played VP knows that there is
> nothing "common" about expert play. The only reason you use it in
> your arguments is you have nothing specific to say.

You even mislead yourself in your statements, and they become more
cloudy as you become confused. Who said there was something common
about expert play besides you? How many times can you say 1+1=2?

What

guides people who play to win (and not just to play to see how

they'd

do in a math test) is simple common sense, and optimal play people
are lacking in that quality to a great extent.

Oh, and you forgot, the earth is flat.

>
> > You left out the player's choice to get up and leave when

ahead,

> No I didn't. That's number 2). However, if the player EVER goes
back and puts money in another VP machine they are back at the same
place. The next bet is the next bet period. So, no advantage is
gained. If you disagree explain how it is different and how it

gains

the player an advantage.

If that's what you meant by #2 then you have a problem

communicating

what you're thinking.

I indicated 2) was a human interaction with the machine. I indicated
it provided no advantage. If you want to argue about that fine, but I
don't think my point could have been any clearer to someone who was
really paying attention.

Every time a player plays, it is clearly a
totally separate event. If I play today and win a dollar, that has
nothing to do with the next time I play.

And how is that different? How does a bet on Sunday provide and
advantage over a bet on Saturday?

That's where the optimal
play crowd is so misled. They believe it's one continual event,

Actually, I don't think they believe that at all. They believe it's a
series of independent events. You mean you don't understand this and
yet you continually state that advantage play doesn't work?

yet
they have nothing to prove that it is. And please don't bore us

with

those math models, Reid, Jazbo, or info from any other hack who
doesn't really play the game.

Why not? Because they prove you're wrong?

All they can do is rant on about how I
can't possibly be playing individual short-term play. And that's

also

the reason I win far more and far more often than your crowd does.

Please provide conclusive evidence ANYONE can win more often than an
advantage player at the same denomination?

> Actually, I don't find this to be true "nearly every time" I

play.

> Probably, a little less than half the time.

Then you don't really play, as I suspected.

Then why to keep bringing up addiction? You have no clue.

And if you ever played
one of my strategies, you'd see where being ahead at some time

during

the session is almost a 100% event. Of course, that's also using a
gaming bankroll that most of you armchair critics don't have, so

all

you can do is quote what some geek has to say about it.

What does a bankroll have to do with being ahead? Playing a
progression can improve your odds of being ahead sometime during a
session but that is NOT what you said previously. If that's what you
mean then say it.

> And if they increase the denomination .... What happens to gain
them an advantage?

They win consistently, and the large losses are far more than
compensated by the huge winners along the way. That's from
experience, and not from some dumb math model. I play for real,

which

most of you never do.

Then you've simply been lucky. Period. You've provided nothing to
show that you have an advantage. By the way, I've seen several non-
progessive/non-advantage players that win more often than they
should. Doesn't mean a thing. If you were truly an MBA you'd
understand that the statisical models used by advantage players
predict this to be true.

>
> No, they worry about the liability. Teaching a system that will
lead the MAJORITY of players to lose bigtime would open them up to
legal action that they don't want. Dream on.

That's such a stupid statement from someone who without a doubt has
no experience in the legal system. In your life as a computer
programmer, look at what it's done to you. Thinking is not an

option,

and everything is in a straight line.

Dream on.

>
> On an even bet with just 5 progressions you'll come out even or
ahead 97% of the time (31-32). So what. It's still just an even bet.

Say what? Why are still stuck on a BJ progression?

> However, the higher the volatility the less likely you are to

come

> out ahead, all this does is increase the number of progressions
> required. And, just like in the even bet it does not change the
> overall payback.

Not so. Video poker play has such a large number of hands played at
the same denomination with such variable payouts that it has

nothing

to do with your assumption.

Wrong again. Each session in progression can be viewed as a single
event after all the results are totaled. Just like 500 coin flips can
be viewed as one event for statisical purposes. I don't care if you
believe it or not. It's a mathematical fact. Remember all thoses
fortune 500 companies. Same math.

>
> Nothing here to show how human interaction makes any difference.

Nothing to a person who doesn't believe in the fact that setting
goals and doing exactly what you said you'd do allows one to win so
often and so much.

Again these are only words. Nothing to back them up. Some folks
believe holding the high pair (, or low pair, or left pair, etc) in
FPDW when dealt two pair gives them an advantage. Your claim is no
different.

But like it and believe it or not, it is a fact
for me, and i am no luckier than the next guy when it comes to
playing. I just play ore intelligently and with a purpose to win
money--and NOT to see how well i'd do on a math test.

And, how do you know you're no luckier than the next guy? You don't.
Just one more unproven assertion on your part.

> While your own experience may lead you to believe there's

something

> special to a your version of a progressive system, it's just an
> illusion. The thing you should worry about is that illusion could
> come tumbling down around your bankroll at any time.

Do you know how many time all the gurus and math geeks have said

that

to me, yet my gaming bankroll keeps on getting larger, I keep

rolling

on, and more and more people are talking to me about why they don't
win playing "like the experts do"? People like you who aren't known
have little to lose or gain by all your rambling on on Internet
forums. You probably get your little fix every time you come here,
because you can't play much.

Now you've moved from calling me "obsessed, playing every day"
to "you can't play much". The fact is that neither one is true.
Another fact is you've proven nothing, except that you may be lucky.

I on the other hand have no worries
whatsoever putting my reputation out their for everyone to see,
because I'm truthful,

Sure you are. Like your mythical mathematicians that analyzed your
system. What a crock! In addition, anyone who wasn't worried about
their reputation would not CONTINUALLY need to tell everyone how
great they THINK they are.

I'm understanding, and I have no problem
exposing all the misleading info and sales pitches as given out by
your heroes. We're a world apart and that bothers you. But it

doesn't

stop you from hiding behind your computer and not taking me up on

my

offer to prove results while holding your hand in LV. That is
predictable from all your type.

Your continual problem is you confuse luck with proof. It shows a
complete lack of intelligence to not understand the difference.

>
> You have shown absolutely nothing to counter Reid's proof.

And you have shown nothing in Reid's statements that disprove what

I

say.

Of course I have. It specifically shows that your progressive system
cannot change a negative game in a positive one. But you just deny
it to maintain your own fantasy about being some kind of a VP guru.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

Now back to the compulsion story. Since I haven't been in a casino

in over 3 weeks where does that leave me? How many times have you

gambled in the last two weeks? If you want to find compulsion just
look in the mirror.

I talk about and visit casinos (I just returned from Reno with a $400
win) because it's what I do as a profession. You've seen me say many
times that I used to play on and on and on like you do when you play,
and I broke away from that nonsensical compulsion years ago. It's now
fun to play in short bursts and leave the stinky paces on MY terms.

  
Talk about hearsay. I ask for conclusive evidence. I think you need

a little marketing 101. Of course they target the "average" player.

That's the largest demographic. To do anything else would not make
marketing sense Mr. MBA.

Here's a flash for you who have no idea how the business world
operates. Promotions target the largest overall profit-generating
centers, and NOT general quantity. That's Marketing 001. High school
stuff. Where were you....or did they not bother with geeks. This is
not one of your laws of large numbers that you can just plant into
the real world.

  
And how is that different? How does a bet on Sunday provide and
advantage over a bet on Saturday?

You're soooo dense. Because players who progress and even those who
don't (except you) AND who have the proper bankroll get ahead a very
high percentage of sessions, pre-set win/loss stop-play goals mean
Sat.'s win is over with, because it's a whole new game Sun., and
goals usually are met. You don't see that because you've never taken
the time to see that....always playing on and on and on like a
zombie.

Actually, I don't think they believe that at all. They believe it's

a series of independent events. You mean you don't understand this
and yet you continually state that advantage play doesn't work?

Why don't you finish your statement.... "that in the long-run equate
to one long-term play session".

Why not? Because they prove you're wrong?

No. Because they are meaningless contributors to people who play to
win.

Please provide conclusive evidence ANYONE can win more often than

an advantage player at the same denomination?

Please provide conclusive evidence that an advantage player wins more
often or just plain more than I do!

Then why to keep bringing up addiction? You have no clue.

That's because you waver back and forth--just like Kerry. When you do
play you answer to your addiction, because of the amount of time you
play.

What does a bankroll have to do with being ahead?

Because a certain bankroll is REQUIRED in order to win as often and
as much as I do.

Playing a

progression can improve your odds of being ahead sometime during a
session but that is NOT what you said previously.

Yes, you may be onto something here finally. It's to the extent that
I'm successful that you cannot comprehend.

Then you've simply been lucky. Period. You've provided nothing to
show that you have an advantage. By the way, I've seen several non-
progessive/non-advantage players that win more often than they
should. Doesn't mean a thing. If you were truly an MBA you'd
understand that the statisical models used by advantage players
predict this to be true.

I'm no luckier than the average player anywhere. That MBA I earned
you keep showing jealousy over taught me to take complete advantage
of positive business situations whenever they come along, and you
will be successful. I listened, and learned it well.

Wrong again. Each session in progression can be viewed as a single
event after all the results are totaled. Just like 500 coin flips

can be viewed as one event for statisical purposes. I don't care if
you believe it or not. It's a mathematical fact. Remember all thoses

fortune 500 companies. Same math.

There you go again. Greasing up that slide rule and rambling on as if
playing video poker were the same as taking a math exam. The only
single event in vp is each hand. Period. If you wanted to be as
deceiving as your statement makes you appear, then you could just as
easily say each calendar month is a single event--and you would be
just as wrong when comparing it to an uneven video poker session.

> But like it and believe it or not, it is a fact
> for me, and i am no luckier than the next guy when it comes to
> playing. I just play ore intelligently and with a purpose to win
> money--and NOT to see how well i'd do on a math test.

And, how do you know you're no luckier than the next guy? You

don't. Just one more unproven assertion on your part.

Again Einstein. I actually am out there talking to and training a lot
of people all the time. You're nothing more than an armchair pilot
who has opinions BASED on virtually nothing.

Now you've moved from calling me "obsessed, playing every day"
to "you can't play much". The fact is that neither one is true.

The pattern here is that you're obsessed with the game, which leads
me to believe you play far too much for your own good when you hit
the casinos. Yes, it's a human feeling based on common sense, and I
do believe I'm right 100%. (I know if I had said 110% you'd come out
and focus on the fact that mathematically there's nothing more than
100%.)

Sure you are. Like your mythical mathematicians that analyzed your
system. What a crock! In addition, anyone who wasn't worried about
their reputation would not CONTINUALLY need to tell everyone how
great they THINK they are.

That's because you're on the wannabee side of the tracks.

> And you have shown nothing in Reid's statements that disprove

what I say.

I repeat the statement. And if I'm a guru then it's because of people
who write nonsense like you do.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

For those of you with the stomach to, go on over to
www.casinogaming.com and take a look at the Bob Dancer column for
this week. Something about a deuces wild game, penalty cards, and
12.5c more for doing this than that. All sorts of nonsense. Tons of
screwy, meaningless blocks of information laced with numerous what-if
hands - and then some. Now do you see why he was fired at GT?

But I may be barking up the wrong tree here. Since you (Dick) live by
the slide rule, then this type of article is something you'd probably
read every time you sit on the pot for at least an hour. Oh what fun!

Now the truth. Regardless of the classroom value ANY of that crap may
have, it has no practicle applicability for ANYBODY while playing at
the machines. Imagine thinking about that gobblydegook while betting
your money? It's Soooo hilarious.

It's not too difficult to see that all these numerical type articles
(and blabby-dabby-do ones from the Queen) do is strengthen my hold on
being the most popular writer of any casino game in the country.