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Oh, and don't forget the wonderful smog. Let's compare recent heat
indices. MN in the 70s, AZ in 100s.

Smog only bothers those who aren't healthy. And the heat is wonderful
when you have A/C whenever you want it. Of course, i do go out for a
3-4 mile jog everyday just to sweat, but that's something a couch
potatoe in minnesota wouldn't understand.

Now you admit individual wins don't qualify, of course, before you
said that was your proof. Another lie. So, since you now admit it's
not a proof, let's see a real proof.

Huh?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

Ok, give me their names and addresses. I will contact them to

verify your claim.

You don't have the money to contact them--by mail OR phone. You
should have asked if they have e-mail addresses, genius. And would it
be proper to say that you couldn't hold a conversation with them
anyway, because they are true mathematicians? BTW--my Chinese friend
doesn't speak English.

Another attempt to avoid the question. If you really had this
information it would be simple to just post it. Instead you attempt
to avoid the question by spewing another idiotic comment.

You tell me why I SHOULD post it? If you had any idea of what it
takes to post confidential information, you'd re-think that. But all
you know is baloney about playing vp computer-perfectly. From what
I've seen here, you'd never understand it anyway. You may MAKE
BELIEVE you do with some diatribe, but you impress me as much as the
famous names impress casino managers.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Oh, and don't forget the wonderful smog. Let's compare recent

heat

> indices. MN in the 70s, AZ in 100s.
>
Smog only bothers those who aren't healthy. And the heat is

wonderful

when you have A/C whenever you want it.

I haven't had to use A/C for about a week now. It's really nice right
now with the door open and all the fresh air flowing through.

Of course, i do go out for a
3-4 mile jog everyday just to sweat, but that's something a couch
potatoe in minnesota wouldn't understand.

> Now you admit individual wins don't qualify, of course, before

you

> said that was your proof. Another lie. So, since you now admit

it's

> not a proof, let's see a real proof.

Huh?

Put down the bottle and pay attention. We are talking about proof of
your system. If you didn't keep trying to obfuscate the discussion
you'd be able to keep up.

First, you tried to say your wins were proof that your system works.
When I countered with the lottery example you agreed that individual
wins are not proof by stating that lottery wins were just luck.

Now we're back to where we started. Show me a real proof.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Ok, give me their names and addresses. I will contact them to
verify your claim.

You don't have the money to contact them--by mail OR phone. You
should have asked if they have e-mail addresses, genius. And would

it

be proper to say that you couldn't hold a conversation with them
anyway, because they are true mathematicians? BTW--my Chinese

friend

doesn't speak English.

I didn't ask for email because you'd give me a fake one directed back
to you. You won't give me their addresses because they don't exist.

By the way, if your Chinese friend doesn't understand English he'd
probably have quite a bit of difficulty with the English written
materials.

In addition, it's not that expensive to send mail overseas. But, then
you'd also know that if these people really existed.

Your lies are so obvious and the more you attempt to cover up this
lie the more obvious it becomes.

>
> Another attempt to avoid the question. If you really had this
> information it would be simple to just post it. Instead you

attempt

> to avoid the question by spewing another idiotic comment.

You tell me why I SHOULD post it?

To verify that your system works.

If you had any idea of what it
takes to post confidential information, you'd re-think that. But

all

you know is baloney about playing vp computer-perfectly. From what
I've seen here, you'd never understand it anyway. You may MAKE
BELIEVE you do with some diatribe, but you impress me as much as

the

famous names impress casino managers.

Still avoiding the question ...........

Do even realize how stupid it is to indicate this information is
confidential when your system isn't confidential.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

I haven't had to use A/C for about a week now. It's really nice

right now with the door open and all the fresh air flowing through.

As a self-proclaimed math nut, why don't you talk about the 'long-
term' here. How many days are there in a year anyway? And just
how "nice" is it there 10 months of the year? I think that 'fresh
air' goes right on thru that hole in your head.

Put down the bottle and pay attention. We are talking about proof

of

your system.

But what about the groucy golden oldy couch-potatoe vs. a healthy
human being?

If you didn't keep trying to obfuscate the discussion

you'd be able to keep up.

Well, I guess I'd like to say that too if I were a fat old man with
nothing better to do than argue with a superior person in Arizona!

First, you tried to say your wins were proof that your system

works. When I countered with the lottery example you agreed that
individual wins are not proof by stating that lottery wins were just
luck. Now we're back to where we started. Show me a real proof.

I already told you twice. Come on down, I'll take you to all the
casinos I play at, and we'll review my results with the hosts, etc.
I'll even play 3 sessions in front of you, and I will win. If I don't
I'll give you $5000. If I do all I say then you pay me $50,000....and
you allow me to publicly ridicule in Gaming Today in 2 separate
issues. You're challenging me, you've got the large mouth, you try to
make it look like you lead a real life in the sticks, so 10:1 odds
are as good as you'll get.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

I didn't ask for email because you'd give me a fake one directed

back to you. You won't give me their addresses because they don't
exist.

Are you THAT paranoid?

By the way, if your Chinese friend doesn't understand English he'd
probably have quite a bit of difficulty with the English written
materials.

Maybe your simple mind doesn't understand. I communicate with him. Or
does that not seem possible in the winter wonderland of freezing
Mn.?

In addition, it's not that expensive to send mail overseas. But,

then you'd also know that if these people really existed.

Not for me it isn't, but for you....? BTW--It costs $43 to send a Fed-
X overnight (which is really within 60 hours) to China, $45 to
Bombay, $61 to Dubai, and $38 to Munich. I'd say that's out of reach
for a 25c-50c player, wouldn't you? After all, you have got to pay
for that heating oil.

> If you had any idea of what it takes to post confidential

information, you'd re-think that. But all you know is baloney about
playing vp computer-perfectly. From what I've seen here, you'd never
understand it anyway. You may MAKE BELIEVE you do with some diatribe,
but you impress me as much as the famous names impress casino
managers.

Do even realize how stupid it is to indicate this information is
confidential when your system isn't confidential.

You continually show how you have little experience you have in
ANYTHING outside of whatever got you to Mn. Do you know what
constitutes a Royalty Agreement? Yes, I pay two of them a small
percentage of what I win each calendar year from my single-play
strategy--which is one reason why I've developed other Play
Strategies since. One has died. The Agreement is for 8 years. Call me
in 2 and we'll talk. I know this is waaaaay beyond your
comprehension, but that's how the world outside Mn. operates for
successful people who've been there and done that.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

Where is this loser Randy C. today? Check out the humidity at Sky
Harbor Airport--17% at 3:30pm. We saw the low 20's yesterday because
it was one of the FEW days we have rain. Just like all the so-called
computer-perfect/long-term strategy players follow, all you are is a
sensationalist that looks for cracks to make believe something that
really isn't is. Come to think of it, maybe he ought to write for
Slots Today or Casino Player. They could use more Huntington Press-
type BS to fill the pages in-between all those Internet casino ads.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> I haven't had to use A/C for about a week now. It's really nice
right now with the door open and all the fresh air flowing through.

As a self-proclaimed math nut, why don't you talk about the 'long-
term' here. How many days are there in a year anyway? And just
how "nice" is it there 10 months of the year? I think that 'fresh
air' goes right on thru that hole in your head.

Actually, it's pretty nice here about 5 months of the years. I see
your understanding of climates is about equal to your VP knowledge.
Then I'm smart enough to head south when it gets cold. You on the
other hand can't make such a claim, can you.

>
> Put down the bottle and pay attention. We are talking about proof
of
> your system.

But what about the groucy golden oldy couch-potatoe vs. a healthy
human being?

What about it? Is this some kind of challenge?

If you didn't keep trying to obfuscate the discussion
> you'd be able to keep up.

Well, I guess I'd like to say that too if I were a fat old man with
nothing better to do than argue with a superior person in Arizona!

No, you just keep trying to hurl insults. Of course, they are way off
the mark as usual. Since, you can't prove your system works for the
general public you keep trying to change the subject. You are so
obvious.

>
> First, you tried to say your wins were proof that your system
works. When I countered with the lottery example you agreed that
individual wins are not proof by stating that lottery wins were

just

luck. Now we're back to where we started. Show me a real proof.

I already told you twice. Come on down, I'll take you to all the
casinos I play at, and we'll review my results with the hosts, etc.
I'll even play 3 sessions in front of you, and I will win. If I

don't

I'll give you $5000. If I do all I say then you pay me

$50,000....and

you allow me to publicly ridicule in Gaming Today in 2 separate
issues. You're challenging me, you've got the large mouth, you try

to

make it look like you lead a real life in the sticks, so 10:1 odds
are as good as you'll get.

You just said yesterday that short terms wins weren't proof of
anything. Now your saying they are. Make up your mind you keep
changing it every day. Did your brain go into a loop? By the way,
I'll agree if you also win powerball the same week, just another
short term win.

Now, go back and read what you just wrote. It would be 1:10 odds. You
can even get simple division right and you expect anyone to trust
your system.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> I didn't ask for email because you'd give me a fake one directed
back to you. You won't give me their addresses because they don't
exist.

Are you THAT paranoid?

Nope, just on to your idiotic tricks.

>
> By the way, if your Chinese friend doesn't understand English

he'd

> probably have quite a bit of difficulty with the English written
> materials.

Maybe your simple mind doesn't understand. I communicate with him.

Or

does that not seem possible in the winter wonderland of freezing
Mn.?

How can you communicate with someone who doesn't exist? You can't,
and you're not willing to give me a simple address to prove your case
which makes it just that much more obvious.

>
> In addition, it's not that expensive to send mail overseas. But,
then you'd also know that if these people really existed.

Not for me it isn't, but for you....? BTW--It costs $43 to send a

Fed-

X overnight (which is really within 60 hours) to China, $45 to
Bombay, $61 to Dubai, and $38 to Munich. I'd say that's out of

reach

for a 25c-50c player, wouldn't you? After all, you have got to pay
for that heating oil.

Why would I use overnight fed-ex when a simple letter would do fine.
Are you that dense?

>
> > If you had any idea of what it takes to post confidential
information, you'd re-think that. But all you know is baloney about
playing vp computer-perfectly. From what I've seen here, you'd

never

understand it anyway. You may MAKE BELIEVE you do with some

diatribe,

but you impress me as much as the famous names impress casino
managers.

> Do even realize how stupid it is to indicate this information is
> confidential when your system isn't confidential.

You continually show how you have little experience you have in
ANYTHING outside of whatever got you to Mn. Do you know what
constitutes a Royalty Agreement? Yes, I pay two of them a small
percentage of what I win each calendar year from my single-play
strategy--which is one reason why I've developed other Play
Strategies since. One has died. The Agreement is for 8 years. Call

me

in 2 and we'll talk. I know this is waaaaay beyond your
comprehension, but that's how the world outside Mn. operates for
successful people who've been there and done that.

You've got to be kidding. There would never be a royalty for a
mathematical verification. Royalties are for patentable ideas, trade
secrets, etc.. And I KNOW there's no trade secrets to be had in the
simple math associated with VP. You keep digging yourself into a
deeper hole. By the way, I have 4 patents and have been involved in
several product copyrights. You've just been caught in one more
obvious lie. How many is that now?

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

Actually, it's pretty nice here about 5 months of the years.

Well, that's for someone with tastes like you have. Let's see....5
months out of 12 doesn't even seem to be 50% to me. And you're a math
guru?

I see

your understanding of climates is about equal to your VP knowledge.
Then I'm smart enough to head south when it gets cold.

So why live 'up there' if you can't wait to leave. Seems as
contradictory as your approach to playing (if you really ever do)
video poker.

You on the

other hand can't make such a claim, can you.

That's a really brilliant deduction, professor. I'll give you an Ace
for that one!

> What about it? Is this some kind of challenge?

Yes, and I'm in the process now of getting more information on you. I
only do so when critics lie about me consistently. Ask rastis what I
did when it came time to "understand" things better. In the meantime,
how about a picture of you on the couch. Don't fake it, because in
about a week I'll have a facial off you DL.

No, you just keep trying to hurl insults. Of course, they are way

off the mark as usual.

Let me guess why it is you would say that.

Since, you can't prove your system works for the general public you
keep trying to change the subject. You are so obvious.

You keep on saying the same nonsense over and over. I don't care what
the public knows about my system. It is successful for me and you
know it. But you say I'm a fraud & a liar. You tell me: Just how long
would 2 publishers put up with a fake? And for how many years past 5
could ANY person continue such a scenario that you paint.... Use your
math. It just don't add up, does it.

> I already told you twice. Come on down, I'll take you to all the
> casinos I play at, and we'll review my results with the hosts,

etc.

> I'll even play 3 sessions in front of you, and I will win. If I
don't
> I'll give you $5000. If I do all I say then you pay me
$50,000....and
> you allow me to publicly ridicule in Gaming Today in 2 separate
> issues. You're challenging me, you've got the large mouth, you

try

to
> make it look like you lead a real life in the sticks, so 10:1

odds

> are as good as you'll get.

You just said yesterday that short terms wins weren't proof of
anything. Now your saying they are. Make up your mind you keep
changing it every day. Did your brain go into a loop? By the way,
I'll agree if you also win powerball the same week, just another
short term win.

Now, go back and read what you just wrote. It would be 1:10 odds.

You can even get simple division right and you expect anyone to trust

your system.

I guess that's an obvious no. HAHAHA Are you the phony here or what?
An offer to put up or shut up and you squirm away with your tail
firmly tucked where the sun doesn't shine (no, I don't mean Minnesota
this time). And if you knew gambling lingo, that's 10:1 AGAINST.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

> Are you THAT paranoid?

Nope, just on to your idiotic tricks.

You're paranoid.

How can you communicate with someone who doesn't exist? You can't,
and you're not willing to give me a simple address to prove your

case which makes it just that much more obvious.

Mr. Wizard....Now who's making assumptions with no facts?

Why would I use overnight fed-ex when a simple letter would do

fine. Are you that dense?

You've been confined to your own little world for way too long. You
should have gotten out more when you were young and able to. And I
don't mean fabulous TUNICA every 3 or more years. You don't send
anything to China via regular mail if you don't want it to take 30 or
more days to get to its destination. Have you never done anything in
your life besides become googly-eyed when looking at computer
programs, and reading and re-reading Dan Paymar's same-as-the-first-
as-the-last Optimal Play books?

> You continually show how you have little experience you have in
> ANYTHING outside of whatever got you to Mn. Do you know what
> constitutes a Royalty Agreement? Yes, I pay two of them a small
> percentage of what I win each calendar year from my single-play
> strategy--which is one reason why I've developed other Play
> Strategies since. One has died. The Agreement is for 8 years.

Call

me
> in 2 and we'll talk. I know this is waaaaay beyond your
> comprehension, but that's how the world outside Mn. operates for
> successful people who've been there and done that.

You've got to be kidding. There would never be a royalty for a
mathematical verification. Royalties are for patentable ideas,

trade secrets, etc..

That's not even a nice try. Royalties are payable for ANY
reason....licensable or not.

And I KNOW there's no trade secrets to be had in the simple math
associated with VP. You keep digging yourself into a

deeper hole. By the way, I have 4 patents and have been involved in
several product copyrights. You've just been caught in one more
obvious lie. How many is that now

A computer geek with 4 patents and a couple copyrights is no special
thing. They're a dime a dozen in the 2 Aerospace firms I worked in.
Is that supposed to impress anyone? If you were successful then you
wouldn't be a quarter vp player now, would you, and you wouldn't be
so jealous of me. Oh I'm sorry--it's 50cents. You're other problem is
that you believe trade secrets run the Royalty show, and that
indicates to me how little you know about TAA's or MOA's. This
obviously isn't your area, so don't hurt yourself any more.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

Sounds just like your logic for proof that your system works.

YOU say "even in the 2-month "monsoon" season right now, we get humidity
all the way up to the high teens" That same day it was in the 20's. Now
your excuse is that it was raining.

Ya, that makes sense.

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-----Original Message-----
From: deadin7 [mailto:dead…@…com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 3:35 PM
To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re: Refreshing information

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

Where is this loser Randy C. today? Check out the humidity at Sky
Harbor Airport--17% at 3:30pm. We saw the low 20's yesterday because
it was one of the FEW days we have rain. Just like all the so-called
computer-perfect/long-term strategy players follow, all you are is a
sensationalist that looks for cracks to make believe something that
really isn't is. Come to think of it, maybe he ought to write for
Slots Today or Casino Player. They could use more Huntington Press-
type BS to fill the pages in-between all those Internet casino ads.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Actually, it's pretty nice here about 5 months of the years.

Well, that's for someone with tastes like you have. Let's see....5
months out of 12 doesn't even seem to be 50% to me. And you're a

math

guru?

I see
> your understanding of climates is about equal to your VP

knowledge.

> Then I'm smart enough to head south when it gets cold.

So why live 'up there' if you can't wait to leave. Seems as
contradictory as your approach to playing (if you really ever do)
video poker.

Because 70-80 degress is much nicer than 110. Are you so stupid you
can't even understand this simple little fact.

Actually, I like the weather in AZ/NV for 8 months of the year.
Anyone who claims the other 4 are nice is just a liar.

You on the
> other hand can't make such a claim, can you.

That's a really brilliant deduction, professor. I'll give you an

Ace

for that one!

Another stupid remark!

> What about it? Is this some kind of challenge?

Yes, and I'm in the process now of getting more information on you.

I

only do so when critics lie about me consistently. Ask rastis what

I

did when it came time to "understand" things better. In the

meantime,

how about a picture of you on the couch. Don't fake it, because in
about a week I'll have a facial off you DL.

I see the english language has escaped you once again. In any event,
it looks like I'm really getting under your skin if you'd go to all
this effort. However, I know this is just another attempt by you to
change the subject and avoid the fact that you have NO proof that
your system is viable.
   

>
> No, you just keep trying to hurl insults. Of course, they are way
off the mark as usual.

Let me guess why it is you would say that.

Since, you can't prove your system works for the general public

you

keep trying to change the subject. You are so obvious.

You keep on saying the same nonsense over and over. I don't care

what

the public knows about my system. It is successful for me and you
know it. But you say I'm a fraud & a liar. You tell me: Just how

long

would 2 publishers put up with a fake? And for how many years past

5

could ANY person continue such a scenario that you paint.... Use

your

math. It just don't add up, does it.

Are these the same publishers that allow blantant plagiarism? I'd
look for another supporting cast if I were you. Maybe the National
Enquirer?

>
> > I already told you twice. Come on down, I'll take you to all

the

> > casinos I play at, and we'll review my results with the hosts,
etc.
> > I'll even play 3 sessions in front of you, and I will win. If I
> don't
> > I'll give you $5000. If I do all I say then you pay me
> $50,000....and
> > you allow me to publicly ridicule in Gaming Today in 2 separate
> > issues. You're challenging me, you've got the large mouth, you
try
> to
> > make it look like you lead a real life in the sticks, so 10:1
odds
> > are as good as you'll get.
>
> You just said yesterday that short terms wins weren't proof of
> anything. Now your saying they are. Make up your mind you keep
> changing it every day. Did your brain go into a loop? By the way,
> I'll agree if you also win powerball the same week, just another
> short term win.
>
> Now, go back and read what you just wrote. It would be 1:10 odds.
You can even get simple division right and you expect anyone to

trust

> your system.

I guess that's an obvious no. HAHAHA Are you the phony here or

what?

An offer to put up or shut up and you squirm away with your tail
firmly tucked where the sun doesn't shine (no, I don't mean

Minnesota

this time). And if you knew gambling lingo, that's 10:1 AGAINST.

Are you slow or what? You didn't specify the values to claim 10:1
FOR, which I suspect you really meant to do. Otherwise it would be an
idiotic challenge. Your studipity continues on and on ...

In any event this is all just a smoke screen to avoid coming up with
a proof that your system works. It should be easy, just send an email
to your famous math friends, who you are paying, and have them whip
one up for you.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

YOU say "even in the 2-month "monsoon" season right now, we get

humidity all the way up to the high teens" That same day it was in
the 20's. Nowyour excuse is that it was raining.

Ya, that makes sense.

I guess your self-proclaimed brain mass has eroded in the past few
days. Monsoon season doesn't mean rain until it rains--and that ain't
very often. Duh.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Randy C" <randyc@U...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> How can you communicate with someone who doesn't exist? You

can't,

> and you're not willing to give me a simple address to prove your
case which makes it just that much more obvious.

Mr. Wizard....Now who's making assumptions with no facts?
>
> Why would I use overnight fed-ex when a simple letter would do
fine. Are you that dense?

You've been confined to your own little world for way too long. You
should have gotten out more when you were young and able to. And I
don't mean fabulous TUNICA every 3 or more years. You don't send
anything to China via regular mail if you don't want it to take 30

or

more days to get to its destination.

30 days is just fine with me. I'm in no hurry. Then again I should be
able to contact Germany in less than a week. It's my dime, just send
me the addresses.

Have you never done anything in
your life besides become googly-eyed when looking at computer
programs,

At least I DO something other than lie about an idiotic unproveable
VP system. You know, it's called an occupation, or, was before I
retired. But then what do you do every day that is so exciting? Oh
wait, I forgot, you claim you're an MBA. That sounds really exciting.

and reading and re-reading Dan Paymar's same-as-the-first-
as-the-last Optimal Play books?

I don't have Dan's book but I heard it's very good. I would think
he'd thank you for the free advertising.

>
> > You continually show how you have little experience you have in
> > ANYTHING outside of whatever got you to Mn. Do you know what
> > constitutes a Royalty Agreement? Yes, I pay two of them a small
> > percentage of what I win each calendar year from my single-play
> > strategy--which is one reason why I've developed other Play
> > Strategies since. One has died. The Agreement is for 8 years.
Call
> me
> > in 2 and we'll talk. I know this is waaaaay beyond your
> > comprehension, but that's how the world outside Mn. operates

for

> > successful people who've been there and done that.
>
> You've got to be kidding. There would never be a royalty for a
> mathematical verification. Royalties are for patentable ideas,
trade secrets, etc..

That's not even a nice try. Royalties are payable for ANY
reason....licensable or not.

If you want to pay someone for something that would otherwise be
free, then that shows a lot about your intelligence.

And I KNOW there's no trade secrets to be had in the simple math
associated with VP. You keep digging yourself into a
> deeper hole. By the way, I have 4 patents and have been involved

in

> several product copyrights. You've just been caught in one more
> obvious lie. How many is that now

A computer geek with 4 patents and a couple copyrights is no

special

thing. They're a dime a dozen in the 2 Aerospace firms I worked in.

I assume this means you're now unemployed. Not surprising, I suspect
you couldn't get along with your fellow workers and they fired you.

Is that supposed to impress anyone? If you were successful then you
wouldn't be a quarter vp player now, would you, and you wouldn't be
so jealous of me.
Oh I'm sorry--it's 50cents. You're other problem is
that you believe trade secrets run the Royalty show, and that
indicates to me how little you know about TAA's or MOA's. This
obviously isn't your area, so don't hurt yourself any more.

You're trying to change the subject again. Won't work.

Let's see the mathematical verification of your system. No one is
going to believe any of this bull without some proof. Your claims
about royalties and 3 foreign mathematicians (when hundreds of
mathematicians in this country would be available) should be easy to
prove. All I need is just one piece of verifiable documentation.
Without it you are just a liar and a fraud.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

Because 70-80 degress is much nicer than 110. Are you so stupid you
can't even understand this simple little fact.

To you it is. That's because you don't do anything. I like outdoor
activity where I SWEAT! I like to swim when you don't shiver getting
out of the pool. And 70-80 degrees, day or night, is 75 miles up the
road from N. Scottsdale anyway.

Actually, I like the weather in AZ/NV for 8 months of the year.
Anyone who claims the other 4 are nice is just a liar.

Of course, if they don't think like you then it can possibly compute.
I expect you love all those bugs too.

it looks like I'm really getting under your skin if you'd go to all
this effort.

It's no effort. I just direct it. I'm mainly interested in your
weight, as well as your patents, and see if they have anything to do
with video poker.

Are these the same publishers that allow blantant plagiarism? I'd
look for another supporting cast if I were you.

Not sure what you mean. Both have been in business over 34 years and
command far more respect that HP or CP. Adam Fine asked me to write
for him before he knew how sensible I was.

  
> I guess that's an obvious no. HAHAHA Are you the phony here or
what? An offer to put up or shut up and you squirm away with your

tail firmly tucked where the sun doesn't shine (no, I don't mean

Minnesota this time). And if you knew gambling lingo, that's 10:1

AGAINST.

Are you slow or what? You didn't specify the values to claim 10:1
FOR, which I suspect you really meant to do. Otherwise it would be

an idiotic challenge. Your studipity continues on and on ...

Do you get it--$5000 vs. $50,000? You're so phony it's pathetic. You
want everyone to believe you know so much about everything video
poker and make good guesses about me, yet you back off when it comes
time to put the rubber to the road. Just like your Queen, Bob Dancer,
Dan Paymar, Stanford Wong, and the few others who have come along. No
wonder you hide behind a computer in Minnesota.

In any event this is all just a smoke screen to avoid coming up

with a proof that your system works. It should be easy, just send an
email to your famous math friends, who you are paying, and have them
whip one up for you.

You haven't read with understanding. Go back again.
If you're so frustrated by this, why don't you just ramble on over to
that Redstick casino up there and try any of my strategies out
starting at pennies or nickles since you don't have the cash. Or, you
could fire up that Winpoker program you're so proud to own, and 'make-
believe' (which is what you do best anyway) that you're playing my
strategies. And along the way, you could get 30 or 40,000 hands to
the Royal out of the way, so when you get into a real casino the long-
term is that much closer!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Because 70-80 degress is much nicer than 110. Are you so stupid

you

> can't even understand this simple little fact.

To you it is. That's because you don't do anything. I like outdoor
activity where I SWEAT! I like to swim when you don't shiver

getting

out of the pool.

So, I like tennis, golf, etc. which are much nicer when it's not 110.

And 70-80 degrees, day or night, is 75 miles up the
road from N. Scottsdale anyway.

Doesn't help when doing life chores and continually getting in and
out of a car where the temp gets way above 110.

>
> Actually, I like the weather in AZ/NV for 8 months of the year.
> Anyone who claims the other 4 are nice is just a liar.

Of course, if they don't think like you then it can possibly

compute.

I expect you love all those bugs too.

No, I don't. But then I also don't need continued pest extermination
like I do when I head south and you need year round.

> it looks like I'm really getting under your skin if you'd go to

all

> this effort.

It's no effort. I just direct it. I'm mainly interested in your
weight, as well as your patents, and see if they have anything to

do

with video poker.

I'll make it easy, my patents have nothing to do with VP. Never said
or even implied that they did. Unlike you I have nothing to lie
about.

Once again, for proof that your system can't work just review the
Reid paper. I ask you for any evidence to counter this and all you
have done is lie, lie, lie ....

> Are these the same publishers that allow blantant plagiarism? I'd
> look for another supporting cast if I were you.

Not sure what you mean. Both have been in business over 34 years

and

command far more respect that HP or CP. Adam Fine asked me to write
for him before he knew how sensible I was.

Doesn't change the fact that they have allowed plagiarism. In any
event, most publishers only care about circulation. They don't care a
twit about what you write (obviously).

>
> > I guess that's an obvious no. HAHAHA Are you the phony here or
> what? An offer to put up or shut up and you squirm away with your
tail firmly tucked where the sun doesn't shine (no, I don't mean
> Minnesota this time). And if you knew gambling lingo, that's 10:1
AGAINST.
>
> Are you slow or what? You didn't specify the values to claim 10:1
> FOR, which I suspect you really meant to do. Otherwise it would

be

an idiotic challenge. Your studipity continues on and on ...

Do you get it--$5000 vs. $50,000?

You said you'd pay me $5000 or I'd pay you $50,000. That would be
10:1 AGAINST me. However, you just said 10:1 which IMPLIES 10:1 FOR
me. Once again you show you are as dumb as a rock.

You're so phony it's pathetic. You
want everyone to believe you know so much about everything video
poker and make good guesses about me, yet you back off when it

comes

time to put the rubber to the road.

You are the one who backed off when I suggested one little short term
luck addition.

>
> In any event this is all just a smoke screen to avoid coming up
with a proof that your system works. It should be easy, just send

an

email to your famous math friends, who you are paying, and have

them

whip one up for you.

You haven't read with understanding. Go back again.
If you're so frustrated by this, why don't you just ramble on over

to

that Redstick casino up there and try any of my strategies out
starting at pennies or nickles since you don't have the cash. Or,

you

could fire up that Winpoker program you're so proud to own,

and 'make-

believe' (which is what you do best anyway) that you're playing my
strategies. And along the way, you could get 30 or 40,000 hands to
the Royal out of the way, so when you get into a real casino the

long-

term is that much closer!

So much obfuscation, so little time. Come on, give me the name and
address of one of your famous math friends.

Of course, I know they don't exist which is why you keep trying to
change the subject. Your attempts are so obvious it's laughable.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

So, I like tennis, golf, etc. which are much nicer when it's not

110.

I just went out for a walk, I went for a quick dip, and took a
shower. It's 89 degrees right now at 10am. Yes it will be 108 today,
but I'll be in a nice cool office for several hours this afternoon
getting a cracked tooth repaired.

Doesn't help when doing life chores and continually getting in and
out of a car where the temp gets way above 110.

I guess that depends on the kind of car you're 'getting in and out
of' all the time. Other than that, if you're doing something
important and you're motivated to do it, the temp really isn't an
issue. That's like when I'm romping around town in LV. I may go to 6-
20 casinos in a day...a very hot day. But since I almost always win
money to bring home when i do that, temperature doesn't matter at all.

   
I'll make it easy, my patents have nothing to do with VP. Never

said or even implied that they did. Unlike you I have nothing to lie

about.

I didn't expect they really did. But I'm curious as to why you say I
lie all the time when that's an assumption, and you continually
criticize me for doing the same. You have no proof I'm lying, and
I've heard this same old tune from the math lovers for years now. So
why the departure from strict logic?

   
You said you'd pay me $5000 or I'd pay you $50,000. That would be
10:1 AGAINST me. However, you just said 10:1 which IMPLIES 10:1 FOR
me. Once again you show you are as dumb as a rock.

It implies 10:1 for you because you haven't the ability to think in
terms of common sense. The numbers were clearly laid out for you, and
because you wanted to back out of it you make this nonsense claim.
Sort of like having Jesse Ventura as your advisor....

So much obfuscation, so little time.

I've got LOTS of time--except I'll be gone Sat.-Mon. pm when Harrah's
LT flies me up there for an RFB stay.

Come on, give me the name and address of one of your famous math
friends.

Are they famous? Another assumption by the master of logic? And like
I said, I need their written concurrence for you to talk to anyone
about what they were paid to do for me, which means I'd also need to
have proof that you were a bonsfide math person -- and not the hack
you appear to be here. So what can you do about that?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> So, I like tennis, golf, etc. which are much nicer when it's not
110.

I just went out for a walk, I went for a quick dip, and took a
shower. It's 89 degrees right now at 10am. Yes it will be 108

today,

but I'll be in a nice cool office for several hours this afternoon
getting a cracked tooth repaired.

> Doesn't help when doing life chores and continually getting in

and

> out of a car where the temp gets way above 110.

I guess that depends on the kind of car you're 'getting in and out
of' all the time. Other than that, if you're doing something
important and you're motivated to do it, the temp really isn't an
issue. That's like when I'm romping around town in LV. I may go to

6-

20 casinos in a day...a very hot day. But since I almost always win
money to bring home when i do that, temperature doesn't matter at

all.

Interesting statement: "the temp really isn't an issue.", since you
brought up the subject to begin with. Looks like just another
obfuscation. Enough of the weather chat. It really has no bearing on
the topic at hand.

>
> I'll make it easy, my patents have nothing to do with VP. Never
said or even implied that they did. Unlike you I have nothing to

lie

> about.

I didn't expect they really did. But I'm curious as to why you say

I

lie all the time when that's an assumption, and you continually
criticize me for doing the same. You have no proof I'm lying, and
I've heard this same old tune from the math lovers for years now.

So

why the departure from strict logic?

I only use strict logic when presented with problems to which strict
logic applies. You, only the other hand, avoid logic no matter what
the problem. As far as you lying. It's so obvious a 3 year old could
see it.

First, you indicate you understand Reid's proof and that it doesn't
apply. I respond with evidence that it does apply.

Next, you all of sudden come up 3 with unverifiable math experts from
foreign countries as the ones that support your system. I respond
with a simple request for their names and addresses. Nothing required
relative to confidential information. You refuse.

Next, you bring up confidentiality which has nothing to do with names
and addresses. Then, you bring up royalties which again has nothing
to do with names and adddress.

If it were true you could easily verify it. Since you don't, you are
obviously lying.

However, none of your ficticious math experts are even required.
Reid's paper PROVES a progressive system CANNOT make a negative game
positive. This is not an approximation or a guess. It is a PROOF.
Nothing you can say changes that.

It gets back to the "flat earth" point I made earlier. Just like
the "flat earth" believers centuries ago stood up and said things
like "look around you, it's common sense that the earth is flat". You
stand up and argue against the simple math behind advantage play. You
look just as ridiculous to me as the "flat earthers" look to everyone
today.

>
> You said you'd pay me $5000 or I'd pay you $50,000. That would be
> 10:1 AGAINST me. However, you just said 10:1 which IMPLIES 10:1

FOR

> me. Once again you show you are as dumb as a rock.

It implies 10:1 for you because you haven't the ability to think in
terms of common sense. The numbers were clearly laid out for you,

and

because you wanted to back out of it you make this nonsense claim.
Sort of like having Jesse Ventura as your advisor....

Please go back to the 3rd grade. Maybe your teacher can explain it to
you.

>
> So much obfuscation, so little time.

I've got LOTS of time--except I'll be gone Sat.-Mon. pm when

Harrah's

LT flies me up there for an RFB stay.

I thought you didn't believe in comps, I guess you're really just a
closet fan of the Queen after all.

Come on, give me the name and address of one of your famous math
friends.

Are they famous? Another assumption by the master of logic?

Since you bypassed hundreds of mathematicians in the US (if not AZ) I
assumed they must be famous. Why else would you bother?

And like
I said, I need their written concurrence for you to talk to anyone
about what they were paid to do for me, which means I'd also need

to

have proof that you were a bonsfide math person -- and not the hack
you appear to be here. So what can you do about that?

You need no proof of anything. I don't care about what they talked to
you about. Just prove they exist. Of course, you can't and this is
just another tactic to avoid admitting you lied about them all along.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

Interesting statement: "the temp really isn't an issue.", since you
brought up the subject to begin with. Looks like just another
obfuscation.

You made another elementary mistake here. The temp isn't an issue to
me. You're the one who harps on and on about how awful 110 must be.
Have you been so inaccurate throughout your entire life?

I only use strict logic when presented with problems to which

strict logic applies. You, only the other hand, avoid logic no matter
what the problem. As far as you lying. It's so obvious a 3 year old
could see it.

That's your first problem: You think everything's a problem to be
solved, because you can't accept anything as true. If someone won't
offer mathematical proof, then you dismiss it with that closed mind.
That really tells me what a sour life you've led. Imagine living with
you!

First, you indicate you understand Reid's proof and that it doesn't
apply. I respond with evidence that it does apply.

A statement by me and a statement by you. You've provided evidence
only to the point that you wanted to. You've never explained where
Reid specifically shows MY Play Strategy doesn't work--and you never
will be able to because it isn't there. So you become nebulous in a
defensive posture, and you were caught again.

Next, you all of sudden come up 3 with unverifiable math experts

from foreign countries as the ones that support your system.

Again an assumption. How many times are you going to fail your own
approach to logic here? I never said that they 'support' my system.
What they did was confirm/correct/upgrade what I presented to them,
for which they were paid initially as well as a small royalty
according to our signed Agreements.

I respond with a simple request for their names and addresses.
Nothing required relative to confidential information. You refuse.

So why should I comply with you? You refuse to meet me in LV, you are
afraid to bet with me, and for all I know you're nothing more than an
Internet hack like the others. All I see is a grouchy old man with
nothing better to do than trade e-mails with someone more successful
than you in video poker (and probably everything else too).

Next, you bring up confidentiality which has nothing to do with

names and addresses. Then, you bring up royalties which again has
nothing to do with names and adddress.

That's what your limited knowledge here says, and because you're a
stubborn old fellow we'll never get around that. Like I said--imagine
living with you.

If it were true you could easily verify it. Since you don't, you

are obviously lying.

....Or how about this scenario: I gain nothing by verifying anything
to an Internet hack like you. See the common sense in it yet?

However, none of your ficticious math experts are even required.
Reid's paper PROVES a progressive system CANNOT make a negative

game positive.

Please say that again, because I've NEVER heard that before! You're
such a slave to this stuff, and it's hilarious!

It gets back to the "flat earth" point I made earlier. Just like
the "flat earth" believers centuries ago stood up and said things
like "look around you, it's common sense that the earth is flat".

You stand up and argue against the simple math behind advantage play.
You look just as ridiculous to me as the "flat earthers" look to
everyone today.

Are you really that dense? Do you now STILL not see why I won't
bother supplying you with anything? "The earth is either round or
flat"--big surprise. It's either A or B, and it is defined by
science. Video poker is played by humans, and according to you, their
brains cannot come close to what's inside a computer. Robots don't
play the game--we do. You may enjoy approaching the game as a boring,
monotonous robot would--and get your rocks off in doing so because
you are so fascinated by numbers--but to those who realize we're
never going to be able to play even close to flawlessly for as long
as the 'numbers' say we need to in order to attain a useless, tiny
percentage, it isn't difficult to figure out what I have to beat the
machines so consistently. What your BIG problem is is that it wasn't
YOU who did that, so it means that can't POSSIBLY be true.

Please go back to the 3rd grade. Maybe your teacher can explain it

to you.

Kind of hard to argue common sense, isn't it.....

I thought you didn't believe in comps, I guess you're really just a
closet fan of the Queen after all.

There you are again--thinking. I thought all you math/computer geeks
are self-taught in the art of not thinking. I use a card on Romp
strategies, and with far less play than the Queen (yes, I factually
know how much she and her boyfriend play) I get 5 times the comps. I
guess you haven't read my article "The God of Comps".

Since you bypassed hundreds of mathematicians in the US (if not AZ)

I assumed they must be famous. Why else would you bother?

Yet another assumption! I was living in Munich at the time, and these
guys either worked for US Aerospace firms or were math professors in
the UK.

You need no proof of anything.

What's the matter--nervous about having to PROVE something?

I don't care about what they talked to you about. Just prove they
exist. Of course, you can't and this is just another tactic to avoid
admitting you lied about them all along.

OK, let's bet $10,000 on your assertion first, and then I'll give you
their phone humbers. (But you'll need me as the translator for the
Chinese).

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote: