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#41

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@> wrote:
>
>
> > Real job? I've been a professional gambler for several years and
make
> > over $500k a year. I probably work harder than you do at your
hourly
> > wage job. I find it offensive that you don't consider what I do a
> > real job. Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that
> > it's not a career. I wish I could play in the NFL but I don't have
> > the skills. However I would never tell a football pro I meet at the
> > clubs that they don't have a real job.
>
> Now there's a concept...talking VP at Drai's or Pure or Empire
> Ballroom (et al)...ROFL!
>
Pure Nightclub got raided by the IRS last week. The story is lots of
unreported money changing hands. I think it was Norm Clarke in the RJ
who broke the story. He says it's just the tip of the iceberg.

I have a few stories to tell about this, but I'd get killed over it.
Not worth it.

The doormen were reported to make $400,000 to $500,000 per year but
were having to pay off to keep the job.

Of course. It's a "juice job" of all "juice jobs". You think
management is going to let them keep all that dough? It's like that
pretty much everywhere.

Last October my friend Al treated me to a 4 day comp at Caesars and I
got to see this operation in action. We would have to leave the poker
room to do the thing that is not mentioned of vpFREE anymore. So we
stood out by the sports book and at night the lines formed for Pure.

Which would be?

One line was maybe 200 of the best looking women on the planet; all
dolled up too. The doormen would occasionally come down the line
picking out the women who could get in. It didn't seem to matter what
position in line they were in, rather it seemed to be based on how good
looking they were. I almost felt sorry for some of these women.

I don't. They know the deal.

You would see them out there in line at 8:30 or 9:00 PM and they would
still be out there at midnight. Eventually, when it got to late, they
would all straggle off.

Party doesn't start until at least 2a anyway.

In the other line was all the hardtails. Al informed me that these
guys were being shaken down to get in. It's supposed to be a $40 entry
fee, but lots of these guys were paying off the doormen for as much
$200. Then they had to pay the entry fee and might get stung for some
more money if the place was real busy. And that's the cheap end of
the deal. A bottle and a table is about $500.

Depends on who you are. If you're Chris Ferguson or Mike Matusow (both
friends of Paladin), they're getting table+bottle(s) comped, so they
can say they're patrons. If you're some middle aged guy with a lot of
dough who really doesn't "fit in", it's going to be $1K-$1500 minimum,
depending on your status. A Seven Stars card will help with the
minimum, but HET has no part of Pure. There's a reason there's like
four separate lines there.

I was talking with my host at Caesars, the stunning Nadeen Hughes ( a
great host as well), one evening when this Indian gentleman walked in,
who was dressed for a golf outing, Diamond card in hand, and wanted
Nadeen to walk him into Pure. Nadeen handled it very well, much better
than I could, but we both had an "as if" chuckle afterwards.

Basically, many of the doormen know me from their jobs at other
nightclubs, so it's like a $20 and telling them I'm solo and not
planning on staying long. But to tell the truth, Pure makes no sense
unless you've got people and Benjamins with you. Preferably smoking
hot young women. Lots of Benajmins, as well. The latter mixes well
with the former.

Norm Clarke reported that lots of kids would ring up $5000 to $6000 on
their credit cards in one night.

How stupid is that? And I thought I had thrown some expensive drunks.
Not even close.

There are a lot of kids with way too much money and way too much free
time (mostly from SoCal). That's what Vegas is for. I thought you
figured that one out a long time ago.

Oh yeah, if you made it this far, I believe the $2 and $5 denoms are
gone at GVR but the $1 denom remains. Three machines. I could be
wrong, I just gave it a once over. Gotta stay on topic, you know.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@> wrote:

#42

"xxxent" <xxxent@...> wrote:

I find it offensive that you don't consider what I do a
real job. Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that
it's not a career. I wish I could play in the NFL but I don't have
the skills. However I would never tell a football pro I meet at the
clubs that they don't have a real job.

Putting aside opinions about "real" and "unreal" jobs... there's an
important distinction between a gambling pro and a football pro. A
football pro makes his living because he's providing something --
entertainment -- for the public (his "customers"). The people who
willingly choose to buy tickets to the game (and souvenirs etc) are
supporting the players.

I can't see any parallel to the gambling pro. He's not providing
entertainment for anyone (unless he's a pro poker player). The people
who pay for the gambler's livelihood (casino owners) don't do so
consciously and willingly. This doesn't mean that gambling isn't
a "real" job. But we can clearly distinguish it from jobs where the
profession/customer relationship is more transparent: jobs like
doctor, lawyer, entertainer, or sports pro.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

#43

> Pure Nightclub got raided by the IRS last week. The story is lots of
> unreported money changing hands. I think it was Norm Clarke in

the RJ

> who broke the story. He says it's just the tip of the iceberg.

NORM: Feds take a look at LV cash flow
http://www.lvrj.com/news/15834017.html

#44

It is only fair that everyone pay their taxes on their earnings in full

nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Pure Nightclub got raided by the IRS last week. The story is lots of

> unreported money changing hands. I think it was Norm Clarke in

the RJ

> who broke the story. He says it's just the tip of the iceberg.

NORM: Feds take a look at LV cash flow
http://www.lvrj.com/news/15834017.html

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#45

It's only "FAIR" if everyone pays their taxes on their
consumption and not their earnings.

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--- pesach kremen <royalflush2222@yahoo.com> wrote:

It is only fair that everyone pay their taxes on
their earnings in full

#46

paladingamingllc wrote:

... I believe the $2 and $5 denoms are gone at GVR
but the $1 denom remains.

All 3 machines are still there, two $1 and one $1/$2/$5.

#47

Hi Pal:)...sorry your name is too long to type out:)
     I respect that you can make a good living at what you do. It takes a lot of time and knowledge. I would consider you work two full time jobs. I think all the pros on here are very intelligent people and have made good lives for themselves. I just play for fun and perks of trips but maybe if I could do what you do, I would.LOL I just don't have the time. A couple trips a year for fun is all the time I have. I love reading how people go and win big. Makes me happy. Keep on winning.

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paladingamingllc <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com> wrote: --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@...> wrote:

> Real job? I've been a professional gambler for several years and make
> over $500k a year. I probably work harder than you do at your hourly
> wage job. I find it offensive that you don't consider what I do a
> real job. Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that
> it's not a career. I wish I could play in the NFL but I don't have
> the skills. However I would never tell a football pro I meet at the
> clubs that they don't have a real job.

Now there's a concept...talking VP at Drai's or Pure or Empire
Ballroom (et al)...ROFL!

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#48

Amen to that brother!

Pay taxes as you spend, not as you earn!

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Boozer <reboozer@...> wrote:

It's only "FAIR" if everyone pays their taxes on their
consumption and not their earnings.

#49

Hi Pal:)...sorry your name is too long to type out:)
     I respect that you can make a good living at what you do. It

takes a lot of time and knowledge. I would consider you work two full
time jobs. I think all the pros on here are very intelligent people
and have made good lives for themselves. I just play for fun and perks
of trips but maybe if I could do what you do, I would.LOL I just don't
have the time. A couple trips a year for fun is all the time I have. I
love reading how people go and win big. Makes me happy. Keep on winning.

paladingamingllc <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

> Real job? I've been a professional gambler for several years and

make

> over $500k a year. I probably work harder than you do at your hourly
> wage job. I find it offensive that you don't consider what I do a
> real job. Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that
> it's not a career. I wish I could play in the NFL but I don't have
> the skills. However I would never tell a football pro I meet at the
> clubs that they don't have a real job.

Now there's a concept...talking VP at Drai's or Pure or Empire
Ballroom (et al)...ROFL!

I think you meant this towards xxxent, but thanks for the love anyway.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Money Works <worksforthemoney@...> wrote:
         --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@> wrote:

#50

Good to know. A lady was playing $1 denom NSUD when I played, so I
just assumed. Thanks for the follow through.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vidi0t" <vid.geo@...> wrote:

> paladingamingllc wrote:
>
> ... I believe the $2 and $5 denoms are gone at GVR
> but the $1 denom remains.
>

All 3 machines are still there, two $1 and one $1/$2/$5.

#51

Au contraire. The casino is "willing" to offer deals that some players
can take advantage of. They call it advertising. Think of it as an
all you can eat fish special. The restaurant doesn't profit on every
diner. This is planned into the promo. When the casino offers
playable games or promos it's a special to drum up business from the
masses. You can take it to the bank; the casino is conscious of their
offers. The smart vp player is just playing in a game offered to all.
No different than playing in tournaments or betting sports bet
specials. I guess the vp player who finds a good paying promo is a
diner who likes to dine on a lot of lettuce. He thinks green too.

Cheers...Jeep

.

I can't see any parallel to the gambling pro. He's not providing
entertainment for anyone (unless he's a pro poker player). The

people

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" <sresnick2@...> wrote:

who pay for the gambler's livelihood (casino owners) don't do so
consciously and willingly. This doesn't mean that gambling isn't
a "real" job. But we can clearly distinguish it from jobs where the
profession/customer relationship is more transparent: jobs like
doctor, lawyer, entertainer, or sports pro.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

#52

> The people who pay for the gambler's livelihood (casino owners)
> don't do so consciously and willingly.

"whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@...> wrote:

Au contraire. The casino is "willing" to offer deals that some
players can take advantage of. They call it advertising.

The casino management would be PERFECTLY happy if the pros just
disappeared, and their advertising attracted only recreational
players. This is a very different situation from more ordinary jobs.

The management of the company I work for, as well as the customers,
would NOT be happy if I disappeared. The management willing pays me
to do my job because they think I'm doing something of value to them.
Likewise with the customers who patronize the company: they value the
service I help to provide, and therefore willingly make the purchases
that ultimately pay my wages.

The people who make the gambling pro's job possible (the casino
management and patrons) are at best indifferent to them. None of
these people would care if the pros disappeared. None of them feel
that the pro is providing something of value to them. This makes the
job of a gambling pro very different from other jobs.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

#53

I guess we can agree; it's the nature of the beast. Let's go hit
some royals. Hey, even a 4kd is enough to make me happy.

Cheers...Jeep
.
.

> > The people who pay for the gambler's livelihood (casino

owners)

> > don't do so consciously and willingly.

"whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@> wrote:
> Au contraire. The casino is "willing" to offer deals that some
> players can take advantage of. They call it advertising.

The casino management would be PERFECTLY happy if the pros just
disappeared, and their advertising attracted only recreational
players. This is a very different situation from more ordinary

jobs.

The management of the company I work for, as well as the

customers,

would NOT be happy if I disappeared. The management willing pays

me

to do my job because they think I'm doing something of value to

them.

Likewise with the customers who patronize the company: they value

the

service I help to provide, and therefore willingly make the

purchases

that ultimately pay my wages.

The people who make the gambling pro's job possible (the casino
management and patrons) are at best indifferent to them. None of
these people would care if the pros disappeared. None of them feel
that the pro is providing something of value to them. This makes

the

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Stuart" <sresnick2@...> wrote:

job of a gambling pro very different from other jobs.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

#54

"tralfamidorgooglycrackers" wrote:

> To address your other point: I think I share this viewpoint with

the

> vast majority of VP players, here and elsewhere, when I say that I
> could care less if every VP pro in the US dries up and blows

away. VP

> pros contribute nothing to the VP-playing community at large

(except,

> in some cases, for a fee), and in cases too numerous to list, have
> caused the destruction of good VP plays. Our goal here is not to
> provide you with an ongoing alternative to getting a REAL job; it

is to

> maximize our return from VP as a RECREATIONAL activity.

Real job? I've been a professional gambler for several years and

make

over $500k a year. I probably work harder than you do at your

hourly

wage job. I find it offensive that you don't consider what I do a
real job. Just because you can't do it yourself doesn't mean that
it's not a career. I wish I could play in the NFL but I don't have
the skills. However I would never tell a football pro I meet at the
clubs that they don't have a real job.

Aside from the fact that I don't believe that you make anything

close to your stated income figure, here's why you don't have a "real
job": you produce NOTHING. Your activities are zero-sum to humanity
in general. You don't even advance your own well-being or personal
growth; you just take money from others (casinos or other gamblers).

And by the way, I CAN do and HAVE done EXACTLY what you're doing,

so your assumption is wrong. I made a fair amount of $$$, back in the
day--but ultimately, I realized it was an empty, pointless existence.
I contributed nothing--ABSOLUTELY NOTHING--to the world or to my own
well-being. By contrast, any "REAL" job, no matter how humble,
contributes SOMETHING to society.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@...> wrote:

#55

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

>
> "tralfamidorgooglycrackers" wrote:

>>>And by the way, I CAN do and HAVE done EXACTLY what you're doing,
so your assumption is wrong. I made a fair amount of $$$, back in the
day--but ultimately, I realized it was an empty, pointless existence.
I contributed nothing--ABSOLUTELY NOTHING--to the world or to my own
well-being. By contrast, any "REAL" job, no matter how humble,
contributes SOMETHING to society.

You've reformed, therefore, everyone else should reform too.

I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to work 40
hours a week to be broke.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@> wrote:

#56

One factor is missing here and I believe needs to be mentioned here. The casinos are not in existence to provide you a livelihood unless you are actually on the payroll. If they offer a promotion or game where you can make money, as we all do, myself definitely included, we are just using promotions an dpolaying wisely, but they don't owe us a living. If by the fact we win or lose less than most players and they benefit due others thinking they can win this is good for all of us, but casinos, as in any other business, or beholded to their shareholders, assuming that they ar ein full compliance with the law in all their operations.

Stuart <sresnick2@comcast.net> wrote: > > The people who pay for the gambler's livelihood (casino owners)

> don't do so consciously and willingly.

"whitejeeps" <whitejeeps@...> wrote:

Au contraire. The casino is "willing" to offer deals that some
players can take advantage of. They call it advertising.

The casino management would be PERFECTLY happy if the pros just
disappeared, and their advertising attracted only recreational
players. This is a very different situation from more ordinary jobs.

The management of the company I work for, as well as the customers,
would NOT be happy if I disappeared. The management willing pays me
to do my job because they think I'm doing something of value to them.
Likewise with the customers who patronize the company: they value the
service I help to provide, and therefore willingly make the purchases
that ultimately pay my wages.

The people who make the gambling pro's job possible (the casino
management and patrons) are at best indifferent to them. None of
these people would care if the pros disappeared. None of them feel
that the pro is providing something of value to them. This makes the
job of a gambling pro very different from other jobs.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://stuart-randomthoughts.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html

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#57

> >>>And by the way, I CAN do and HAVE done EXACTLY what you're

doing,

> so your assumption is wrong. I made a fair amount of $$$, back in

the

> day--but ultimately, I realized it was an empty, pointless

existence.

> I contributed nothing--ABSOLUTELY NOTHING--to the world or to my

own

> well-being. By contrast, any "REAL" job, no matter how humble,
> contributes SOMETHING to society.
>
>
>
You've reformed, therefore, everyone else should reform too.

I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to

work 40

hours a week to be broke.

Don't put words in my mouth. I (unlike yourself) haven't told

anyone what they SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be doing. Nor did I say that I
had, or that you should, "reform". I merely addressed (I repeat this
since memory skills do not seem to be a strong part of your cognitive
set) your objection to my implied remark that VP advantage gambling
wasn't a "real job". And BTW, I stand by that remark.

#58

tralfamidorgooglycrackers wrote:

> >>>And by the way, I CAN do and HAVE done EXACTLY what you're

doing,

> so your assumption is wrong. I made a fair amount of $$$, back in

the

> day--but ultimately, I realized it was an empty, pointless

existence.

> I contributed nothing--ABSOLUTELY NOTHING--to the world or to my

own

> well-being. By contrast, any "REAL" job, no matter how humble,
> contributes SOMETHING to society.

mickeycrimm responded:

You've reformed, therefore, everyone else should reform too.

I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to

work 40

hours a week to be broke.

tralfamidorgooglycrackers responded:

Don't put words in my mouth. I (unlike yourself) haven't told

anyone what they SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be doing. Nor did I say that I
had, or that you should, "reform". I merely addressed (I repeat this
since memory skills do not seem to be a strong part of your cognitive
set) your objection to my implied remark that VP advantage gambling
wasn't a "real job". And BTW, I stand by that remark.

You're just being dishonest. The emphatic way you compared
professional gambling to a "real job" unmistakably implied that it's
better to have a "real job" than to be a professional gambler. Would
you say, with a straight face, that you meant no value judgment when
you wrote that the life of a professional gambler "was an empty,
pointless existence?" If you don't believe that contributing to
society is better than not contributing to society, why did you use it
as a criterion for comparing the two ways of life?

But I agree with you that it's not a "real job." I've struggled with
the morality of being a professional gambler, primarily due to the
fact that it doesn't provide anyone with what they'd willingly pay
for, but there are 2 sides to the coin. A "real job" can also be
characterized as doing others' bidding for money what one wouldn't do
for free. I call that "prostitution." I have a college degree, but I
forewent a career because I was unwilling to "play the game" that
those who have a "real job" must play. I still don't know what the
ideal is, but I love the line of Michael's in "The Godfather, Part 3"
about the higher up he went in the "legitimate" world, the more
corrupt it got.

#59

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

>
> "tralfamidorgooglycrackers" wrote:

>>>And by the way, I CAN do and HAVE done EXACTLY what you're doing,
so your assumption is wrong. I made a fair amount of $$$, back in the
day--but ultimately, I realized it was an empty, pointless existence.
I contributed nothing--ABSOLUTELY NOTHING--to the world or to my own
well-being. By contrast, any "REAL" job, no matter how humble,
contributes SOMETHING to society.

You've reformed, therefore, everyone else should reform too.

I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to work 40
hours a week to be broke.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@> wrote:

#60

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

> > >>>And by the way, I CAN do and HAVE done EXACTLY what you're
doing,
> > so your assumption is wrong. I made a fair amount of $$$, back

in

the
> > day--but ultimately, I realized it was an empty, pointless
existence.
> > I contributed nothing--ABSOLUTELY NOTHING--to the world or to

my

own
> > well-being. By contrast, any "REAL" job, no matter how humble,
> > contributes SOMETHING to society.
> >
> >
> >
> You've reformed, therefore, everyone else should reform too.
>
> I quit working for a living when I figured out I didn't have to
work 40
> hours a week to be broke.
>
>>>Don't put words in my mouth. I (unlike yourself) haven't told
anyone what they SHOULD or SHOULDN'T be doing. Nor did I say that I
had, or that you should, "reform". I merely addressed (I repeat

this

since memory skills do not seem to be a strong part of your

cognitive

set) your objection to my implied remark that VP advantage gambling
wasn't a "real job". And BTW, I stand by that remark.

One of these days you are going to screw up and deliver and positive
message.