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Annoying VP Neighbors

#41

My responses follow...

-cigarette smoke in casinos

Absolutely! What REALLY annoys me is when people smoke in non-smoking
areas. Even worse is when I sit in a smoking area, ask the smoker to
avoid blowing smoke in my face or hold the cigarette 2 feet away and
get attitude from them.

-lame music in casinos (I'm thinking I'll end up playing with an iPod
and noise-cancelling headphones if they let me).

Music, no matter how annoying, makes gamblers forget about the time.
Also, music provides distraction for skilled players.

-the fact that high-limit rooms only contains high-limit machines

(doh).

Most high-limit rooms have a nice atmosphere. I guess a nice, quiet
atmosphere is something that only rich gamblers deserve.
Replies appreciated.

#42

Playing uprights for any length of time involves considerable

moving

around every 15 or 20 minutes...eg put right foot up on the machine
pedestal...five minutes later put right forearm on right

knee...switch

to left foot in 15 minutes...both feet 10 minutes after that...the
worst situation is where the pedestal is too high to comfortably

put

your foot up...the El Cortez and the Vegas Club come to mind.

Same thing goes for slant tops...I'm always crossing and uncrossing

my

legs...sitting with one leg tucked under, etc.

I guess one can say the VP promotes dexterity...

Don the Dentist

Maybe the casinos should install a few exercise bikes with a built in
VP game!

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#43

"David Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...> wrote:

On my first video poker visit to Las Vegas, I'll CERTAINLY be
watching people play! I'll try not to be so close as to make them
nervous, but I'll be there.

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Hi Dave,

From your posts I have concluded that you are a very nice, cordial
and friendly gentleman. I'm absolutely sure that it is not your
intent to offend or annoy other VP players. So I must tell you that
many seasoned VP players intensely dislike being watched!

There are several reasons for this. a) It makes them nervous or
uncomfortable. b) They think that you are "stalking" them. c) They
think that you might like to part them from their winnings by
robbing them d) They think that you are "jinxing" them e) They
think that you are delibrately "sweating" them so that they will
move and you can have their marvy machine. I could go on but I
think that you get the picture.

There is NO way that you can watch their hand w/o getting TOO close
to them. You would not be able to see the cards on their screen or
determine the initial hand or their hold. My advice (which you are
perfectly free to ignore) is JUST DON'T DO IT!

Same in the live poker rooms; I continue to enjoy watching people
play........................
Dave

Live Poker is different. Poker players are used to "railbirds" and
don't seem to mind. After all, live Poker always involves others.
VP is a solitary game. Lots of VP players enjoy it for this very
reason.

Just my opinion of course.

Respectfully,

-Babe-

#44

Well, I think I'll rethink my watching technique, when it comes to video poker! Of course, since I'd never even examined a video poker machine until this last month, my first objective was to look at them and touch them. I recorded payout schedules, for example. I watched for a bit a fellow who seemed to be playing quite a bit faster than others, and was losing much more money. I didn't actually speak with him, but I'm fully capable of that!

About all I need for the future is some quick procedures for finding true, genuine +E machines, and also I'm interested in just how fast 600 hands/hr really is. I suspect, and I sure could be wrong, that a brand-new visitor to a casino, one who has never played, will have a devil of a time finding the better machines.

Then too, you said it yourself:

"...many seasoned VP players intensely dislike being watched!"

Video poker players are introspective, some to the point of painfulness. They fear unsolicited attention. It's not so much that they are afraid of sharing their secrets for playing video poker, it's just that they aren't terribly interesting in interpersonal relationships of even the most innocent kind. Many of my friends are like that, but I'm enthusiastic to the point of being painful for most people. I can and will restrain myself for my first video poker visit to Las Vegas!

OK, bunch of questions. How long is it going to take me to get up to speed in Las Vegas (given I shall never have played video poker, except on my home computer), provided I have my strategies thoroughly practiced at home? What kind of rate of play does the average player attain, provided they're as interested in video poker as the average viewer in this chatroom is? Are there any 68 year olds playing 1,000 hands/hr? Is my top rate more likely to be 400 hands/hr, rather than 600? What's your prediction of how fast I'll be, after playing my first 8 hours of video poker? I don't mind if you have fun with this answers, even at my expense!

Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: jackessiebabe
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:32 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors

  "David Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...> wrote:

  On my first video poker visit to Las Vegas, I'll CERTAINLY be
  watching people play! I'll try not to be so close as to make them
  nervous, but I'll be there.
  ===================================================
  Hi Dave,

  From your posts I have concluded that you are a very nice, cordial
  and friendly gentleman. I'm absolutely sure that it is not your
  intent to offend or annoy other VP players. So I must tell you that
  many seasoned VP players intensely dislike being watched!

  There are several reasons for this. a) It makes them nervous or
  uncomfortable. b) They think that you are "stalking" them. c) They
  think that you might like to part them from their winnings by
  robbing them d) They think that you are "jinxing" them e) They
  think that you are delibrately "sweating" them so that they will
  move and you can have their marvy machine. I could go on but I
  think that you get the picture.

  There is NO way that you can watch their hand w/o getting TOO close
  to them. You would not be able to see the cards on their screen or
  determine the initial hand or their hold. My advice (which you are
  perfectly free to ignore) is JUST DON'T DO IT!
  =====================================================

  Same in the live poker rooms; I continue to enjoy watching people
  play........................
  Dave
  ========================================================
  Live Poker is different. Poker players are used to "railbirds" and
  don't seem to mind. After all, live Poker always involves others.
  VP is a solitary game. Lots of VP players enjoy it for this very
  reason.

  Just my opinion of course.

  Respectfully,

  -Babe-

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#45

Maybe the casinos should install a few exercise bikes with a built in
VP game!

They had that a few years ago at Stations.

Scot

#46

My responses follow...
>
> -cigarette smoke in casinos

Absolutely! What REALLY annoys me is when people smoke in non-

smoking

areas. Even worse is when I sit in a smoking area, ask the smoker

to

avoid blowing smoke in my face or hold the cigarette 2 feet away

and

get attitude from them.

Have the following printed up on business size cards and hand them
to them:

You have the right to smoke in this casino. You do not have the
right to blow or let the smoke drift onto me. It is not my fault
or your fault that the ventilation system causes the smoke to come
my way. Therefore, please stop the smoke from coming my way or I
will call security

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@y...> wrote:

#47

I'm with Jean.

This is supposed to be fun isn't it. If it makes the people who kiss after every hand happy, and they are getting out of their play what they expect for their investment who are we to complain?

People with their feet up...again, how does this effect you?

A dealt royal on multiline? I'd be doing backflips in the aisle. I'll apologize in advance if I upset anybody, and hope like hell it happens. <G>

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Jean Scott
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Annoying VP Neighbors

  <<If she hit anything resembling a paying hand she would first let
  out a sound of delight..then clap her hands and then turned around as he
  did
  and simultaneously kiss..ugh! She reacted the same with his play.This did
  get tiring to Old Grumpy. (Hey maybe its me being jealous)>>

  We try to restrain ourselves with this type of celebration to occasions of
  royals of $8,000 or more - although if we have been on a long losing streak
  or in a deep hole for that session, we might break loose for $4,000. And
  beware if I get a dealt royal on multi-line!

  We have kind of a sliding scale on this subject, just like on tipping.

  Today Brad turned 74; I just turned 67. My wish is that every couple will
  still be "out of control" at those ages!

  ________________________________________
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#48

<<let us say you are at a casino and like to play the 50 or 100 line
games (which you seem to enjoy). and let us further say the casino
only has about 5-6 of these machines ( one of the most popular local
casinos has that many).>>

I was not referring to multi-line when I wrote earlier. However, I

feel

everyone has the same right in a casino - to play whatever machine

they like

for whatever amount they wish. Most who tie up multi-lines aren't
knowledgeable players and don't realize they are violating "good

manners."

Well...perhaps the high limit VP room with the best selection of games
is Harrah's in Joliet. On Mondays they run a progressive nxRC
promotion., where if you play all four designated Momdays in the promo
month, you get 10x RCs on your total for all the Mondays in the month.
I remember a post a couple of years back by a Chicago local looking
for single line dollar 8-5 SAB. He was implored by another local, who
is not a high limit player, that it was more than ok to stroll in and
play on the 50-play in that room and play one line if he wanted to.
Considering that the game was in the "high limit" slot room, I think
common sense would prevail to show common courtesy at busy times,
where many players are playing anywhere between 20 and 50 lines, and
not play on those machines. I remember one midwest casino where they
had $1 50-play, and people would come in playing one line, one coin,
so they could say they played in the high limit room. When a real
player came in, these people were usually offered a buffet comp by a
host (smart thinking).

I would agree with Jean that smaller denoms are different. One casino
recently put in a quarter denom 100-play, with an interesting
selection of games (all full pay, but very high variance), good club
benefits, and very good promos. Hard to get on, you have to fight with
any number of people who want to play cheaper denoms on that machine,
with an average aggregate bet of <$1. This situation, it's bad luck,
but what are you going to do except wish them good luck?

I'm not trying to put anyone down here (for a change!) but I think
common sense would indicate that if a casino offers a machine with a
max bet of $125-$500 a hand, they have customers willing and able to
make such bets.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:

#49

I believe this has been tried.

Chandler

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
brumar_lv
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:22 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors

Maybe the casinos should install a few exercise bikes with a built in
VP game!

#50

I can pretty much guarantee, if I reach that age, there will be several
parts of me that are out of control;-)

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Jean Scott
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 12:55 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Annoying VP Neighbors

Today Brad turned 74; I just turned 67. My wish is that every couple will
still be "out of control" at those ages!

#51

..... Well, I think I'll rethink my watching technique, when it
comes to video poker!

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...>wrote:

======================================

Good thinking, Dave!

======================================
............... I watched for a bit a fellow who seemed to be
playing quite a bit faster than others, and was losing much more
money. I didn't actually speak with him................

More sound thinking!

About all I need for the future is some quick procedures for
finding true, genuine +E machines.............

========================================

Just copy (or memorize) the full pay tables for the machines you are
planning to play. Check the Database to determine which casinos have
full pay VP. Then, let your feet do the walking around the casino
until you find the correct machines.

==========================================
.....and also I'm interested in just how fast 600 hands/hr really
is...........

==========================================

I have been playing VP long time (20+ years) and, on a fast TITO
machine, can easily manage 800 hands per hour. When I'm really in
sync with the machine, and my fingers are flying, I can 1000 hands
per hour. If it matters, I am also older than you. I have no doubt
that younger players, with more dexterity, can play even faster.

=============================================

I suspect, and I sure could be wrong, that a brand-new visitor to a
casino, one who has never played, will have a devil of a time
finding the better machines.

==============================================

I don't know why you would have a problem. Know what you're looking
for, and which casinos have it, then just keep walking around the
casino until you've located the machines. For the most part, don't
bother asking casino personnel where to find the machines. Usually,
they don't know (or don't want to answer your question). Use all the
the wonderful resources of vpFREE to locate your machines in
advance. You shouldn't encounter any difficulties.

===============================================

OK bunch of questions. How long is it going to take me to get up
to speed in Las Vegas (given I shall never have played video poker,
except on my home computer), provided I have my strategies
thoroughly practiced at home? What kind of rate of play does the
average player attain, provided they're as interested in video poker
as the average viewer in this chatroom is? Are there any 68 year
olds playing 1,000 hands/hr? Is my top rate more likely to be 400
hands/hr, rather than 600? What's your prediction of how fast I'll
be, after playing my first 8 hours of video poker? I don't mind if
you have fun with this answers, even at my expense!

Dave

==================================================

Dave, my answer is that I have absolutely NO idea how fast you will
play or how many hours of play it will take for you to reach
your "maximum speed". I also don't think that it matters very much.
Just go, take in all the wonders of playing VP in LV, and ENJOY
yourself. Eventually, the rest of it will fall into place.

Good luck!

-Babe-

#52

I believe they still have that at the Tropicana in AC, but it's slots, not VP

siona

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At 10:08 PM 01/19/2006, you wrote:

Maybe the casinos should install a few exercise bikes with a built in
VP game!

They had that a few years ago at Stations.

#53

I agree with you!

As complicated as life is, shouldn't one devote their extra energy and attention to learning all the spiritual skills, rather than worrying about how others obtain satisfaction recreating?

Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Darrin Culver
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Annoying VP Neighbors

  I'm with Jean.

  This is supposed to be fun isn't it. If it makes the people who kiss after every hand happy, and they are getting out of their play what they expect for their investment who are we to complain?

  People with their feet up...again, how does this effect you?

  A dealt royal on multiline? I'd be doing backflips in the aisle. I'll apologize in advance if I upset anybody, and hope like hell it happens. <G>
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jean Scott
    To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:54 PM
    Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Annoying VP Neighbors

    <<If she hit anything resembling a paying hand she would first let
    out a sound of delight..then clap her hands and then turned around as he
    did
    and simultaneously kiss..ugh! She reacted the same with his play.This did
    get tiring to Old Grumpy. (Hey maybe its me being jealous)>>

    We try to restrain ourselves with this type of celebration to occasions of
    royals of $8,000 or more - although if we have been on a long losing streak
    or in a deep hole for that session, we might break loose for $4,000. And
    beware if I get a dealt royal on multi-line!

    We have kind of a sliding scale on this subject, just like on tipping.

    Today Brad turned 74; I just turned 67. My wish is that every couple will
    still be "out of control" at those ages!

    ________________________________________
    Jean $¢ott - http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
      Tax time is coming up - groan! "Tax Help
       for the Frugal Gambler" can answer many
       of your questions!

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#54

Thanks for the very careful answer of all my many questions!

Being an engineer, I suspect walking quickly thru the casino and recording the exact machines that are being used, especially during hours when play is light, might be a good first step. Repeating after half an hour, or an hour, would separate the truly good machines for accidentally selected machines. Do the first survey, go have lunch, and then do the second survey. Machines used in both surveys are candidates for inspection of payoff schedules. Of course one isn't permitted to scan payoff schedules of machines in use, so the procedure recommended might have excellent merit. Downtown, where casinos are close together, one could survey casinos A, B and C for the first survey, and then repeat A, B and C. A third survey would be to look at payoff schedules, when possible.

Using vpFREE to physically locate individual machines makes lots of sense in the event that a casino has 200 video poker machines, for example, and yet there are 3 that are +E. It's truly a time-consuming process to mine for +E machines in this case, especially since good machines are usually busy.

Another approach would be to go thru the casino at 5 AM, for example. The only machines that are being used would be the +E machines, I suspect. And they're being used by professionals, and also those vpFREEers that use professional methods.

Identifying good casinos is what I'm about presently. This chatroom is excellent for that purpose. Finding specific machines within these good casinos is tricky, since it appears they move these machines around quite a bit. Then too, "coordinate systems," whereby engineers mathematically fix location, are out of the question in a chatroom. Hence it's difficult to come to grip with exactly which machine is being described, comparing a chatroom description of the presumed location of a machine, with what the eye sees as one stands in the casino where one thinks the +E machine should be, according to the description. This last I have no recommendations for. Casinos seem to have hidden machine numbers from easy view, probably to defeat those who would locate +E machines from descriptions furnished in video poker chatrooms! And the game goes on...

Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: jackessiebabe
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:07 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors

  In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...>wrote:

  ..... Well, I think I'll rethink my watching technique, when it
  comes to video poker!
  ======================================

  Good thinking, Dave!

  ======================================
  ............... I watched for a bit a fellow who seemed to be
  playing quite a bit faster than others, and was losing much more
  money. I didn't actually speak with him................
  =======================================

  More sound thinking!
  ========================================

  About all I need for the future is some quick procedures for
  finding true, genuine +E machines.............

  ========================================

  Just copy (or memorize) the full pay tables for the machines you are
  planning to play. Check the Database to determine which casinos have
  full pay VP. Then, let your feet do the walking around the casino
  until you find the correct machines.

  ==========================================
  .....and also I'm interested in just how fast 600 hands/hr really
  is...........

  ==========================================

  I have been playing VP long time (20+ years) and, on a fast TITO
  machine, can easily manage 800 hands per hour. When I'm really in
  sync with the machine, and my fingers are flying, I can 1000 hands
  per hour. If it matters, I am also older than you. I have no doubt
  that younger players, with more dexterity, can play even faster.

  =============================================

  I suspect, and I sure could be wrong, that a brand-new visitor to a
  casino, one who has never played, will have a devil of a time
  finding the better machines.

  ==============================================

  I don't know why you would have a problem. Know what you're looking
  for, and which casinos have it, then just keep walking around the
  casino until you've located the machines. For the most part, don't
  bother asking casino personnel where to find the machines. Usually,
  they don't know (or don't want to answer your question). Use all the
  the wonderful resources of vpFREE to locate your machines in
  advance. You shouldn't encounter any difficulties.

  ===============================================

  OK bunch of questions. How long is it going to take me to get up
  to speed in Las Vegas (given I shall never have played video poker,
  except on my home computer), provided I have my strategies
  thoroughly practiced at home? What kind of rate of play does the
  average player attain, provided they're as interested in video poker
  as the average viewer in this chatroom is? Are there any 68 year
  olds playing 1,000 hands/hr? Is my top rate more likely to be 400
  hands/hr, rather than 600? What's your prediction of how fast I'll
  be, after playing my first 8 hours of video poker? I don't mind if
  you have fun with this answers, even at my expense!

  Dave

  ==================================================

  Dave, my answer is that I have absolutely NO idea how fast you will
  play or how many hours of play it will take for you to reach
  your "maximum speed". I also don't think that it matters very much.
  Just go, take in all the wonders of playing VP in LV, and ENJOY
  yourself. Eventually, the rest of it will fall into place.

  Good luck!

  -Babe-

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#55

Babe's answers to David K's concerns about his upcoming first-ever VP
trip are spot-on.

From chattin' with David, he's over-engineering and scheming this
trip. But then again, we all know that this CAN be part of the fun.
:wink: As long as you're not genuinely worried about all this stuff.

Surely, practicing optimum play strategy is the best homework you can
do. This will save you TIME - NOT having to look up the order of hands
on your cheat sheet. Of course, remember, nobody is watching you play,
so if you make a mistake - almost half the time it doesn't matter, in
fact the results CAN be an improvement.

Sweating the comps, eh.... those will fall into place and should
be "parking-lotted" as a secondary goal. Calculating your coin-in and
trying to get faster, no hurry.

Keep your eye on the ball: empty your brain of distractions when you
finally get there and have bellied up to a machine and slide that big
bill into the feeder. Hit a jackpot and take home a profit. Once you
hit a Royal, I think you'll be hooked. If you can't relax and have fun
after your original nervousness, then it could be the wrong game for
you. Patience, confidence in yourself and trust in the RNG (random
number generator) will help you achieve the mystical vp Zen state.

~MARK

--- "jackessiebabe" wrote:

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==================================================

Dave, my answer is that I have absolutely NO idea how fast you will
play or how many hours of play it will take for you to reach
your "maximum speed". I also don't think that it matters very much.
Just go, take in all the wonders of playing VP in LV, and ENJOY
yourself. Eventually, the rest of it will fall into place.

Good luck!

-Babe-

#56

Gee Mark, it's as if I could read your mind, with the answer I've already posted to vpFREE!

Yes, I'm an engineer. Guilty as charged! I scored off the chart in the Graduate Record exam in engineering, and 99% for math. So I think like an engineer. Yet I've owned 1,000 apartment units, and have replaced hot water heaters, scrubbed floors and picked up poop. I resigned from Sandia National Lab at age 30, and I've been doing things my way for the last 38 years. Fun! Not always profitable, but always fun...

I'll figure out improved ways of discovering the good +E machines when I get to Las Vegas. My first several trips to Las Vegas will tend to be exploratory. The BIG returns for VP are in selecting the right casinos and then selecting the correct machines. Playing optimum strategy, not to be confused with perfect strategy, is the key. Read the fantastic post the administrator put up today, with the linkage to the Las Vegas Review article about Jean Scott's 12-16-05 article concerning penalty cards and perfect play!!! Invaluable...

Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Mark
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:32 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: VP Newbie - more questions

  Babe's answers to David K's concerns about his upcoming first-ever VP
  trip are spot-on.

  From chattin' with David, he's over-engineering and scheming this
  trip. But then again, we all know that this CAN be part of the fun.
  ;-) As long as you're not genuinely worried about all this stuff.

  Surely, practicing optimum play strategy is the best homework you can
  do. This will save you TIME - NOT having to look up the order of hands
  on your cheat sheet. Of course, remember, nobody is watching you play,
  so if you make a mistake - almost half the time it doesn't matter, in
  fact the results CAN be an improvement.

  Sweating the comps, eh.... those will fall into place and should
  be "parking-lotted" as a secondary goal. Calculating your coin-in and
  trying to get faster, no hurry.

  Keep your eye on the ball: empty your brain of distractions when you
  finally get there and have bellied up to a machine and slide that big
  bill into the feeder. Hit a jackpot and take home a profit. Once you
  hit a Royal, I think you'll be hooked. If you can't relax and have fun
  after your original nervousness, then it could be the wrong game for
  you. Patience, confidence in yourself and trust in the RNG (random
  number generator) will help you achieve the mystical vp Zen state.

  ~MARK

  --- "jackessiebabe" wrote:
  >> ==================================================
  >
  > Dave, my answer is that I have absolutely NO idea how fast you will
  > play or how many hours of play it will take for you to reach
  > your "maximum speed". I also don't think that it matters very much.
  > Just go, take in all the wonders of playing VP in LV, and ENJOY
  > yourself. Eventually, the rest of it will fall into place.
  >
  > Good luck!
  >
  > -Babe-
  >

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#57

It would be fun to own one of these. We see VP in grocery stores
everywhere. Someday I expect to see shopping carts with VP machines.
Then, when we go to the cashier we can collect our winnings when we pay
for the food!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:

I believe this has been tried.

Chandler

Maybe the casinos should install a few exercise bikes with a built in
VP game!

#58

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...>
wrote:
.

Another approach would be to go thru the casino at 5 AM, for

example. The only machines that are being used would be the +E
machines, I suspect. And they're being used by professionals, and also
those vpFREEers that use professional methods.

Not necessarily true. The best way and the only to identify those VP
machines with a positive expectation is to look at the paytables and
calculate the return using one of the various software programs.

Don the Dentist

#59

The Tropicana in Atlantic city did that with some slot machine's. I dont think they lasted too long.
   
  Ned C.
  The Wild Joker

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brumar_lv <brumar_lv@yahoo.com> wrote:
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Maybe the casinos should install a few exercise bikes with a built in
VP game!

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#60

Dave--LV sounds as great as LV, the city. . . . . But she's lucky, too--she has YOU! Can't wait to read your trip rept!

David Kitzinger <dkitzinger1@comcast.net> wrote: Thanks, Jean! As a matter of fact LV has no interest in LV, none whatsoever! LV is the supergrandma, happily keeping all of us going, and derives her satisfactions from that. She wouldn't go to LV for all the tea in China, even though she does like certain select teas. Isn't it nice that she has never stood in my way, when I go off to LV? At those times LV and I become almost as tight as LV and I! Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: K Haka
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors
    Dave--
    Is LV going to LV with you to play VP?
    Jean H
     
  >>>David Kitzinger <dkitzinger1@comcast.net> wrote: On my first video poker visit to Las Vegas, I'll CERTAINLY be watching people play!..... Dave
  PS: I have to think about my usage of "LV" each time, since my wife of nearly 42 years is LV too, standing for La Verna. See how lucky I am?<<<<<

Jean H--
   
  You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes.
You can steer yourself any direction you choose.
You're on your own. And you know what you know.
  And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go.... Dr. Suess

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