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Annoying VP Neighbors

#61

As a very first-time visitor to Las Vegas video poker machines, everything will be foreign to me. I won't have any preconceived notions about which behaviors of people will demonstrate a great machine. I'll ask where they are, and they'll tell me (maybe)! I'll see onlookers watching a certain machine, and I'll know (maybe)! Somehow, someway, I'll find a shortcut to identifying the great machines. Sitting down at each and every video machine in the place (well, perhaps limited to machines with games ammenable to the one or two strategies I've learned back home), and comparing the payoff schedule with the one that demonstrates a +E machine, would be only a last resort. Someone is going to crack, and share the secret of where the best machines are (maybe)!

It's a great life, if you don't weaken!

Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: dds2124
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:10 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "David Kitzinger" <dkitzinger1@c...>
  wrote:
  .
  > Another approach would be to go thru the casino at 5 AM, for
  example. The only machines that are being used would be the +E
  machines, I suspect. And they're being used by professionals, and also
  those vpFREEers that use professional methods.

  Not necessarily true. The best way and the only to identify those VP
  machines with a positive expectation is to look at the paytables and
  calculate the return using one of the various software programs.

  Don the Dentist

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#62

<<As a very first-time visitor to Las Vegas video poker machines, everything will be foreign to me. I won't have any preconceived notions about which behaviors of people will demonstrate a great machine. I'll ask where they are, and they'll tell me (maybe)! >>

The overwhelming majority of people sitting at a VP machine haven't a clue about EV or "good" machines.

<<I'll see onlookers watching a certain machine, and I'll know (maybe)!>>

Onlookers will know even less than the players.

Somehow, someway, I'll find a shortcut to identifying the great machines.>>

Good luck. You would do something that hundreds of us would like to be able to do, even though we have years and years of experience. Some of us who have been playing for years have built up a network of friends with whom we share good VP information. Otherwise, the advice others have given you (and you seem to be ignoring) is the best. Study the data base here and look for games that you know how to play. I (and most experts) would tell you to choose ONE game at first, practice it on software until you are quite comfortable with it, look in the data base for that game, and go play it. You learn VP gradually - it is impossible to know everything about it right away.

I would suggest you learn 9/6 JoB first,even though it isn't a positive game, because it is the easiest to learn and it forms a basis for all other games. Then after you have one Vegas trip under your belt, you will know what direction you want to go. You want to know too much too quickly. There are some things you can't learn until you have more experience.

And another note: these days promotions and slot club benefits give winning VP players the bulk of their profits - so you need to be studying about them. I cover those areas at length in both of my books, as well as VP basics.

It would be more practical to read a few books that have current information and go to Vegas once and then ask all your questions. Studying the way VP was 10-20 years ago might be interesting but it won't help you very much in learning to play in today's casino. And you are asking a lot of questions that can't be answered if someone doesn't even know the basics. The books will give you the basics so you can then build your skills faster.

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#63

Flattery will get you everywhere! I love my LV, and will forever...

Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: K Haka
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors

  Dave--LV sounds as great as LV, the city. . . . . But she's lucky, too--she has YOU! Can't wait to read your trip rept!

  David Kitzinger <dkitzinger1@comcast.net> wrote: Thanks, Jean! As a matter of fact LV has no interest in LV, none whatsoever! LV is the supergrandma, happily keeping all of us going, and derives her satisfactions from that. She wouldn't go to LV for all the tea in China, even though she does like certain select teas. Isn't it nice that she has never stood in my way, when I go off to LV? At those times LV and I become almost as tight as LV and I! Dave

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: K Haka
    To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:02 PM
    Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors
      Dave--
      Is LV going to LV with you to play VP?
      Jean H
       
    >>>David Kitzinger <dkitzinger1@comcast.net> wrote: On my first video poker visit to Las Vegas, I'll CERTAINLY be watching people play!..... Dave
    PS: I have to think about my usage of "LV" each time, since my wife of nearly 42 years is LV too, standing for La Verna. See how lucky I am?<<<<<

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#64

I am suprised that no one has told David to go to the data base for VPFree to discover which machines are at which casinos and their locations. Simplist way of all to find the great machines.
  Cheers, and best of luck, David.
  Bonnie

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----- Original Message -----
  From: David Kitzinger
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com

  >>I won't have any preconceived notions about which behaviors of people will demonstrate a great machine. I'll ask where they are, and they'll tell me (maybe)! I'll see onlookers watching a certain machine, and I'll know (maybe)! Somehow, someway, I'll find a shortcut to identifying the great machines. Sitting down at each and every video machine in the place<<

#65

Well, you could consult strangers, look for crowds around certain machines
or consult a ouija board. All are likely to have the same effect. I use
the vpFREE database to find a machine that suits me, but then I'm a wild
man;-)

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
David Kitzinger
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:25 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors

As a very first-time visitor to Las Vegas video poker machines, everything
will be foreign to me. I won't have any preconceived notions about which
behaviors of people will demonstrate a great machine. I'll ask where they
are, and they'll tell me (maybe)! I'll see onlookers watching a certain
machine, and I'll know (maybe)! Somehow, someway, I'll find a shortcut to
identifying the great machines. Sitting down at each and every video machine
in the place (well, perhaps limited to machines with games ammenable to the
one or two strategies I've learned back home), and comparing the payoff
schedule with the one that demonstrates a +E machine, would be only a last
resort. Someone is going to crack, and share the secret of where the best
machines are (maybe)!

#66

I've been to the vpFREE database, and I'd be gathering data just before leaving for Las Vegas. But there's a logical time to get all the way down to brass tacks!

At present I have the luxury of asking all sorts of questions, and it's not that unreasonable for some to get uncomfortable with one who is so frank and direct about matters, so they actually ask these questions. We can all remember back in school when the same few people asked all the questions; well, I'm the guy who goes to adult investment seminars and gets the guy up front tied in knots, defending how and why they function in the way they do, and pointing out probable outcomes for seminar attendees, if they naively just follow advice given. I don't do any of this out of meanness; I do it to explore the way things actually work.

Dave

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Bonita Strong
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: David Kitzinger
    To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com

    >>I won't have any preconceived notions about which behaviors of people will demonstrate a great machine. I'll ask where they are, and they'll tell me (maybe)! I'll see onlookers watching a certain machine, and I'll know (maybe)! Somehow, someway, I'll find a shortcut to identifying the great machines. Sitting down at each and every video machine in the place<<

    I am suprised that no one has told David to go to the data base for VPFree to discover which machines are at which casinos and their locations. Simplist way of all to find the great machines.
    Cheers, and best of luck, David.
    Bonnie

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#67

Well, I have some sympathy for the person who wants to get on a machine of
limited availability. I have been there. If you know that particular
casino, though, you know that there isn't much that is playable outside of
that high limit room. Anyone who knows what they are doing would be happy
to switch to a single line if only one was available. I have played those
machines a couple of times and have no regrets. I'm not sure I'm bound by
ethics or etiquette to play an inferior machine because my expected return
is lower than the bigger player. I certainly don't expect it when I see the
nickel 100 plays being played a couple hands at a time at MS.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
paladin415x
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:48 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Annoying VP Neighbors

Well...perhaps the high limit VP room with the best selection of games
is Harrah's in Joliet. On Mondays they run a progressive nxRC
promotion., where if you play all four designated Momdays in the promo
month, you get 10x RCs on your total for all the Mondays in the month.
I remember a post a couple of years back by a Chicago local looking
for single line dollar 8-5 SAB. He was implored by another local, who
is not a high limit player, that it was more than ok to stroll in and
play on the 50-play in that room and play one line if he wanted to.
Considering that the game was in the "high limit" slot room, I think
common sense would prevail to show common courtesy at busy times,
where many players are playing anywhere between 20 and 50 lines, and
not play on those machines. I remember one midwest casino where they
had $1 50-play, and people would come in playing one line, one coin,
so they could say they played in the high limit room. When a real
player came in, these people were usually offered a buffet comp by a
host (smart thinking).

I would agree with Jean that smaller denoms are different. One casino
recently put in a quarter denom 100-play, with an interesting
selection of games (all full pay, but very high variance), good club
benefits, and very good promos. Hard to get on, you have to fight with
any number of people who want to play cheaper denoms on that machine,
with an average aggregate bet of <$1. This situation, it's bad luck,
but what are you going to do except wish them good luck?

I'm not trying to put anyone down here (for a change!) but I think
common sense would indicate that if a casino offers a machine with a
max bet of $125-$500 a hand, they have customers willing and able to
make such bets.

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