I live almost equidistant from MS and AC so its back to AC for me. I was curious as to what the New England, particularly Boston area members will do ?
As previously stated I will use my remaining points for travel. What are your plans with your balances?
Be honest is anyone thinking of patronizing the Sun and if so in what way( BJ,Craps,Live Poker ..? )
Do you think we ought to write to express our dislike with the new policies ?
Larry F.
I for one will use my points for travel as usual. I will probably just play low level fp vp infrequently. Atlantic city is a good 5 hours away and I don't think it is worth the added expense and time for the loss of pts. Probably will make an extra trip or 2 to vegas.The cash back we get in Vegas for 3 days covers our airfare. I spoke to manangement and they have no plans on changing this new idiocy as profitability is the new key. THe only thing that will get them to change IMHO is lack of play on these machines and they make less money than they did.
Mel
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
I live almost equidistant from MS and AC so its back to AC for me. I was curious as to what the New England, particularly Boston area members will do ?
As previously stated I will use my remaining points for travel. What are your plans with your balances?
Be honest is anyone thinking of patronizing the Sun and if so in what way( BJ,Craps,Live Poker ..? )
Do you think we ought to write to express our dislike with the new policies ?Larry F.
I will probably just play low level fp vp infrequently.
Could you please elaborate?
Larry F.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@...> wrote:
I know we will be at least sag next six months and probably sachem as some of the computer issues are being resolved. We will go when we have free rooms probably once every other month and just play .25 fp for a couple of hours a day without risking significant amts of money down from the $25 per hand we used to play. Just go for the enjoyment of it and do our heavier gambling on the 3 or 4 trips a year we go to vegas when we earm .03% cash back on NSUD and 9-6Bonus Deluxe,
Mel
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@> wrote:
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I will probably just play low level fp vp infrequently.Could you please elaborate?
Larry F.
So you're talking short pay ,or if they will still be there the 8/5 BP with I presume no points ?
Larry F.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@...> wrote:
I . We will go when we have free rooms probably once every other month and just play .25 fp for a couple of hours a day without risking significant amts of money down from the $25 per hand we used to play.
Larry, I've only got a couple hundred points, not enough to worry about. Several years ago I made a complaint in person about the reduction of DDB from 9/6 to 8/6 and lo an behold they went back to 9/6. I'm a small player but it certainly won't hurt to express an opinion. I understand from a friend that they are now back to 8/6. I left Fox 10 years ago after the downgrades and haven't been back since nor do I miss that place. It'll be LV for the most part for me. Rod
--- On Tue, 8/2/11, lfcmja@verizon.net <lfcmja@verizon.net> wrote:
From: lfcmja@verizon.net <lfcmja@verizon.net>
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] What Will You Do ?
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 12:54 PM
I live almost equidistant from MS and AC so its back to AC for me. I was curious as to what the New England, particularly Boston area members will do ?
As previously stated I will use my remaining points for travel. What are your plans with your balances?
Be honest is anyone thinking of patronizing the Sun and if so in what way( BJ,Craps,Live Poker ..? )
Do you think we ought to write to express our dislike with the new policies ?
Larry F.
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At the same time they took away the points Mohegan added a number of .25 9/6 JOB and DDB. They also upgraded most of the machines in high limit to full pay. My guess is zero points won't last for long. The stickers can be peeled off very easily. Until then if I play at all on a show night it will be for fun at a much lower level.
Joel
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From: "lfcmja@verizon.net" <lfcmja@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: What Will You Do ?
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@...> wrote:
I . We will go when we have free rooms probably once every other month and just play .25 fp for a couple of hours a day without risking significant amts of money down from the $25 per hand we used to play.
So you're talking short pay ,or if they will still be there the 8/5 BP with I presume no points ?
Larry F.
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.25 9-6 JOB, 9-6 ddb, and 9-7 DB
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mel3dmdmsncom" <mel3dmd@> wrote:
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> I . We will go when we have free rooms probably once every other month and just play .25 fp for a couple of hours a day without risking significant amts of money down from the $25 per hand we used to play.So you're talking short pay ,or if they will still be there the 8/5 BP with I presume no points ?
Larry F.
Which don't get any points ?
They also upgraded most of the machines in high limit to full pay.
I'm a dollar/two dollar player and even if I was a $5 player..no pts. who cares ?
My guess is zero points won't last for long.
If by some miracle this does happen..what is left of the dollar one credit/25 credit bet machines ?
I wonder what the "daily" dollar PE players are doing ?
Larry F.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:
At the same time they took away the points Mohegan added a number of .25 9/6 JOB and DDB.
The quarter 9/6 machines also have dollar/25 coin max bet.
Confirmed that along with 0 comp points, there is also no addition to your tier score for playing the "full pay" machines. No credit whatsoever for your play.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@> wrote:
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> At the same time they took away the points Mohegan added a number of .25 9/6 JOB and DDB.Which don't get any points ?
They also upgraded most of the machines in high limit to full pay.
I'm a dollar/two dollar player and even if I was a $5 player..no pts. who cares ?
My guess is zero points won't last for long.
If by some miracle this does happen..what is left of the dollar one credit/25 credit bet machines ?
I wonder what the "daily" dollar PE players are doing ?
Larry F.
I also live an equal distance from MS and AC.
We'll probably continue going to MS for BJ and craps and shows and to use the many points we have.
AC has 9 or 10 casinos to choose from and also the ocean and a nice boardwalk to enjoy the outdoors - something I always miss at MS, someplace to go for a walk.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
I live almost equidistant from MS and AC so its back to AC for me. I was curious as to what the New England, particularly Boston area members will do ?
As previously stated I will use my remaining points for travel. What are your plans with your balances?
Be honest is anyone thinking of patronizing the Sun and if so in what way( BJ,Craps,Live Poker ..? )
Do you think we ought to write to express our dislike with the new policies ?Larry F.
I have been pondering this information on and off all day today. I am/was a $1 PE player for the past few years. I play PE probably 99% of the time, once in a blue moon I may play some Triple Trouble for variety. I'm not sure what I am going to do...I enjoy PE but I can't
justify pouring money into those machines with no points earned.
I abandoned Foxwoods years ago because of their horrible VP games.
I don't have time to go to Vegas or AC so those options are not feasible for me.
I might downgrade to just .25 play or just not go anywhere as often as I used to. I'm guessing that the frequent hardcore PE regulars will continue to play them. They will moan and groan about it, but most likely keep pumping money into them.
I was at MS the other night/early morning when they were shutting down these machines. I asked twice what they were doing to them, but didn't get a decent answer. I knew it was going to be something negative for the player.
I'm really bummed by this recent decision from the powers that be at MS. Perhaps I should just stop going there period!
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
I live almost equidistant from MS and AC so its back to AC for me. I was curious as to what the New England, particularly Boston area members will do ?
As previously stated I will use my remaining points for travel. What are your plans with your balances?
Be honest is anyone thinking of patronizing the Sun and if so in what way( BJ,Craps,Live Poker ..? )
Do you think we ought to write to express our dislike with the new policies ?Larry F.
How did you confirm this? I've been told that it does not impact your tier score, theo or marketing offers.
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From: carolenny2002 <carolenny@aol.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 4:29 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: What Will You Do ?
The quarter 9/6 machines also have dollar/25 coin max bet.
Confirmed that along with 0 comp points, there is also no addition to your tier score for playing the "full pay" machines. No credit whatsoever for your play.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@> wrote:
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> At the same time they took away the points Mohegan added a number of .25 9/6 JOB and DDB.Which don't get any points ?
They also upgraded most of the machines in high limit to full pay.
I'm a dollar/two dollar player and even if I was a $5 player..no pts. who cares ?
My guess is zero points won't last for long.
If by some miracle this does happen..what is left of the dollar one credit/25 credit bet machines ?
I wonder what the "daily" dollar PE players are doing ?
Larry F.
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I confirmed it by playing for an hour on 9/6 today and checking my tier score at a kiosk. It was unchanged from Sunday. Then I played for a bit on 8/5 Jacks, and the tier score changed along with the comp point balance. It does not impact your tier score, I guess, but it does not add to it to play the 9/6 video poker.
If I'm wrong and any host is monitoring this, please contact me!! (-;
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:
How did you confirm this? I've been told that it does not impact your tier score, theo or marketing offers.
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From: carolenny2002 <carolenny@...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 4:29 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: What Will You Do ?Â
The quarter 9/6 machines also have dollar/25 coin max bet.Confirmed that along with 0 comp points, there is also no addition to your tier score for playing the "full pay" machines. No credit whatsoever for your play.
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> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@> wrote:
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> > At the same time they took away the points Mohegan added a number of .25 9/6 JOB and DDB.
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> Which don't get any points ?
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> They also upgraded most of the machines in high limit to full pay.
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> I'm a dollar/two dollar player and even if I was a $5 player..no pts. who cares ?
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> My guess is zero points won't last for long.
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> If by some miracle this does happen..what is left of the dollar one credit/25 credit bet machines ?
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> I wonder what the "daily" dollar PE players are doing ?
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> Larry F.
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You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "carolenny2002" <carolenny@...> wrote:
I confirmed it by playing for an hour on 9/6 today and checking my tier score at a kiosk. It was unchanged from Sunday. Then I played for a bit on 8/5 Jacks, and the tier score changed along with the comp point balance. It does not impact your tier score, I guess, but it does not add to it to play the 9/6 video poker.
If I'm wrong and any host is monitoring this, please contact me!! (-;
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@> wrote:
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> How did you confirm this? I've been told that it does not impact your tier score, theo or marketing offers.
>
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> From: carolenny2002 <carolenny@>
> To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 4:29 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: What Will You Do ?
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> The quarter 9/6 machines also have dollar/25 coin max bet.
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> Confirmed that along with 0 comp points, there is also no addition to your tier score for playing the "full pay" machines. No credit whatsoever for your play.
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> > --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@> wrote:
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> > > At the same time they took away the points Mohegan added a number of .25 9/6 JOB and DDB.
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> > Which don't get any points ?
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> > They also upgraded most of the machines in high limit to full pay.
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> > I'm a dollar/two dollar player and even if I was a $5 player..no pts. who cares ?
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> > My guess is zero points won't last for long.
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> > If by some miracle this does happen..what is left of the dollar one credit/25 credit bet machines ?
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> >
> > I wonder what the "daily" dollar PE players are doing ?
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> > Larry F.
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Interesting comment, but I'm not sure I fully understand your frame of
reference. When you say "Most of us recreational players" are you saying that
you care nothing at all about earning points, achieving Wolf or Sagamore tier,
seeing shows, having access to the lounges, getting free rooms, etc, just so
long as you can play the shorted royal games and not have to sit at a bar?
If that's the case, you can sit at home at your PC and play all the games you
want at videopoker.com for free and not have to even put up with shorted royals.
Or smoking, or noise, or loud music.
I consider myself a recreational player, but those benefits we had are important
to me, as part of the overall entertainment experience. I enjoy playing as long
as I feel I have a decent chance of also winning on the games we had. I'm just
trying to understand where your comments are coming from.
You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter
machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal
shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players
would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty
of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.
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I can't believe that anyone would play in a casino knowing that they couldn't get freebies whether it be room food et al.
The "bargain" for the player in any casino is being able to get comps.
Mike, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However I feel that this way of thinking is exactly what will ruin VP forever.
Melmdmd in his post was right..the only way to stop this is not to play there !
Larry F.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.
As this poster infers, VP players have longggg memories. Foxwoods past downgrades lost them their VP players, and they never came back even when FW brought some full pay schedules back (9/6 JoB 99.54%, 9/6 DDB 98.98% (see the vpfree2.com inventory for locations). Most of the post on this site (99%) relate to the Sun, whereas nobody is interested in Foxwoods. I play FW quite a bit, and I NEVER see any other serious play on the full play machines. They just sit there taking up space and using electricity. FW is now moving and in some cases reducing the number of these machines in the High Limit rooms because they aren't being played. Their .33% comp rate ($300 coin-in gives 1 pt OR $.50 cash-back) for video poker now seems almost generous.
I just got back from a comp'd night at Foxwood's Grand Pequot Hotel and it was very nice. Stopped by the spa, worked out in the fitness center (very modern), swam in the rather smallish pool (6 PM to 9 PM) is adult only swim, my friend had a swedish massage at the spa, had dinner in the International Player's lounge (very ornate). I will be playing at Foxwoods more often.
I understand Bodog online casino has full pay games, no comps, easy commute and is COMPLETELY SMOKE FREE if you specify!!!
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "felinevp" <toofourtoo@...> wrote:
I abandoned Foxwoods years ago because of their horrible VP games.
But I believe that these are only available at the $5 level ?
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:
As this poster infers, VP players have longggg memories. Foxwoods past downgrades lost them their VP players, and they never came back even when FW brought some full pay schedules back (9/6 JoB 99.54%, 9/6 DDB 98.98% (see the vpfree2.com inventory for locations). Most of the post on this site (99%) relate to the Sun, whereas nobody is interested in Foxwoods. I play FW quite a bit, and I NEVER see any other serious play on the full play machines. They just sit there taking up space and using electricity.
1. Giving no points versus minimal points is too much of slap in the VP player's face; it says we don't care about your business. Psychologically even minimal points (.3% or so not uncommon in Vegas) and incremental advancement in tier status help to soften a bad loosing session.
2. Your comment regarding 10-7 DB with a shorted royal indicates that you may be buying into the same fallacy as management. IGT generally lists a payout percentage for VP games which was traditionally 2% below the theoretical maximum. MS has PE, a 99.9% game, which is the simplest to play of any VP game I know. The actual house hold has to be a lot closer to .1% than 2.1%, especially since the same game has been available for years. Similarly, the other "good" game at MS has been 9/6 JOB which has a relatively simple strategy. If the house were to install fp DB, with a theo of 100.19%, I would guarantee the house hold would be higher than PE, considering the complex strategy involved in DB. I don't seem many bothering to learn the strategy if it were only available in quarters or dollars. The house could than place a 100+% sign above the bank, hopefully attracting business.
If I were running VP operations, I would provide such better pay table games as you suggest and advertise the good pays, but not leave any one game for longer than say a year, so that not too high a percentage of players would learn correct strategy and cut into the house take. Furthermore I would provide sufficient banks prominately placed, so that ploopies can always find a seat rather than have the games monopolized by APs. Several LV casinos (such as the Coast chain) have notified perceived APs that they will no longer get mailings or participate in promotions. I believe such a strategy would enhance casino profit much more than the current blanket strategy.
--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:
You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.