vpFREE2 Forums

What Will You Do ?

#21

...> I understand Bodog online casino has full pay games, no comps, easy commute and is COMPLETELY SMOKE FREE if you specify!!!

Bodog Casino has FP PE in various denominations, and does give fp comps at irregular times and amounts. Their payout history has been good. I suggest that if you are interested sign up through the Wizard of Odds, as he will intercede if there is a problem or dispute. If you are a PE troll, you may investigate whether there is Wi-Fi for your laptop under suitable bridges.

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

#22

Casinos are for most of us entertainment. I have no problem playing a SLIGHTLY under 100% game like NSUD or PE and paying for my own meals, shows, etc. I would prefer that by far than playing under 99% games and getting cashback, food coupons and the like which would end up the same as the better games with "nothing".
Just keep that free booze coming or they lose me for sure.

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, GURU PERF <guruperf@...> wrote:

Interesting comment, but I'm not sure I fully understand your frame of
reference. When you say "Most of us recreational players" are you saying that
you care nothing at all about earning points, achieving Wolf or Sagamore tier,
seeing shows, having access to the lounges, getting free rooms, etc, just so
long as you can play the shorted royal games and not have to sit at a bar?

If that's the case, you can sit at home at your PC and play all the games you
want at videopoker.com for free and not have to even put up with shorted royals.
Or smoking, or noise, or loud music.

I consider myself a recreational player, but those benefits we had are important
to me, as part of the overall entertainment experience. I enjoy playing as long
as I feel I have a decent chance of also winning on the games we had. I'm just
trying to understand where your comments are coming from.

You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter
machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal
shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players
would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty
of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#23

Well, let's put it this way-I would rather play NSUD and get "nothing" than 8-5 JOB with 2% total return in giveaways or BP with .50% back in giveaways.

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>
> You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.

I can't believe that anyone would play in a casino knowing that they couldn't get freebies whether it be room food et al.
  The "bargain" for the player in any casino is being able to get comps.
  Mike, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However I feel that this way of thinking is exactly what will ruin VP forever.

  Melmdmd in his post was right..the only way to stop this is not to play there !

  Larry F.

#24

The one and only good thing about FW is that it's an easy room comp.
Bodog? If you want to trust them I'll sell you the Newport Bridge.

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "felinevp" <toofourtoo@> wrote:
>
>
> I abandoned Foxwoods years ago because of their horrible VP games.
>

As this poster infers, VP players have longggg memories. Foxwoods past downgrades lost them their VP players, and they never came back even when FW brought some full pay schedules back (9/6 JoB 99.54%, 9/6 DDB 98.98% (see the vpfree2.com inventory for locations). Most of the post on this site (99%) relate to the Sun, whereas nobody is interested in Foxwoods. I play FW quite a bit, and I NEVER see any other serious play on the full play machines. They just sit there taking up space and using electricity. FW is now moving and in some cases reducing the number of these machines in the High Limit rooms because they aren't being played. Their .33% comp rate ($300 coin-in gives 1 pt OR $.50 cash-back) for video poker now seems almost generous.

I just got back from a comp'd night at Foxwood's Grand Pequot Hotel and it was very nice. Stopped by the spa, worked out in the fitness center (very modern), swam in the rather smallish pool (6 PM to 9 PM) is adult only swim, my friend had a swedish massage at the spa, had dinner in the International Player's lounge (very ornate). I will be playing at Foxwoods more often.

I understand Bodog online casino has full pay games, no comps, easy commute and is COMPLETELY SMOKE FREE if you specify!!!

#25

I would rather play nothing at all., and see if something changes...if not, play much less. It is liberating to me as a quarter bonus poker player. Do you realize how many hours of play is required to make Sagamore...two times, in the case of my husband and myself, in the course of a year? We're getting $10 or $15 in Freeplay offers, no show tickets, rooms on weekdays only (we are locals, so can live without those). Until 3 weeks ago, our game was 8/5 bonus poker. We played for a few days on quarter 9/6. So, even with comps, it is a negative/break even proposition. Fun, but it is addictive to try and maintain the status and justify the losses!!! I am much more the player than my husband. I had to make an adult decision and take us off the treadmill. Neither one of us had made enough points to renew our Sagamore status. We'll be Wolf for another 6 months...

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

Well, let's put it this way-I would rather play NSUD and get "nothing" than 8-5 JOB with 2% total return in giveaways or BP with .50% back in giveaways.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@" <lfcmja@> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> >
> > You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.
>
>
> I can't believe that anyone would play in a casino knowing that they couldn't get freebies whether it be room food et al.
> The "bargain" for the player in any casino is being able to get comps.
> Mike, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However I feel that this way of thinking is exactly what will ruin VP forever.
>
> Melmdmd in his post was right..the only way to stop this is not to play there !
>
> Larry F.
>

#26

I agree with what you say. No casino will ever lose money with 10/7 DB at quarter/dollar because of the intricate strategy.
But we have to look at the near monopoly in New England. You will NEVER get a casino to offer a game whose payout percentage starts with "100". I would rather have them throw a 10/7 game with a 3500 coin royal (99.96%) with "nothing" back than the garbage (DDB, 8-5 JOB) we are likely to see with lousy perks.

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "David" <d_richheimer@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>
> You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.

1. Giving no points versus minimal points is too much of slap in the VP player's face; it says we don't care about your business. Psychologically even minimal points (.3% or so not uncommon in Vegas) and incremental advancement in tier status help to soften a bad loosing session.

2. Your comment regarding 10-7 DB with a shorted royal indicates that you may be buying into the same fallacy as management. IGT generally lists a payout percentage for VP games which was traditionally 2% below the theoretical maximum. MS has PE, a 99.9% game, which is the simplest to play of any VP game I know. The actual house hold has to be a lot closer to .1% than 2.1%, especially since the same game has been available for years. Similarly, the other "good" game at MS has been 9/6 JOB which has a relatively simple strategy. If the house were to install fp DB, with a theo of 100.19%, I would guarantee the house hold would be higher than PE, considering the complex strategy involved in DB. I don't seem many bothering to learn the strategy if it were only available in quarters or dollars. The house could than place a 100+% sign above the bank, hopefully attracting business.

If I were running VP operations, I would provide such better pay table games as you suggest and advertise the good pays, but not leave any one game for longer than say a year, so that not too high a percentage of players would learn correct strategy and cut into the house take. Furthermore I would provide sufficient banks prominately placed, so that ploopies can always find a seat rather than have the games monopolized by APs. Several LV casinos (such as the Coast chain) have notified perceived APs that they will no longer get mailings or participate in promotions. I believe such a strategy would enhance casino profit much more than the current blanket strategy.

#27

I think most of us will not trust a foreign, online company.
Plus they have lousy cocktail service and no waterfall to enjoy!

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "David" <d_richheimer@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "veepdave" <dhoppell@> wrote:
...> I understand Bodog online casino has full pay games, no comps, easy commute and is COMPLETELY SMOKE FREE if you specify!!!
>

Bodog Casino has FP PE in various denominations, and does give fp comps at irregular times and amounts. Their payout history has been good. I suggest that if you are interested sign up through the Wizard of Odds, as he will intercede if there is a problem or dispute. If you are a PE troll, you may investigate whether there is Wi-Fi for your laptop under suitable bridges.

#28

I guess the casino IS monitoring this thread...

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.

#29

I totally agree with carolenny2002 who wants to play and get nothing back not me

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "carolenny2002" <carolenny@...> wrote:

I guess the casino IS monitoring this thread...

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
>
> You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.

#30

Foxwoods has $1 9/6 DDB (10 coin for full royal) in Cedar casino near the hi limit marked bonus poker. Bank of 8 machines.
No one elso was gamblig at these machines Tuesday afternoon/Wednesday morning.
We gave them $30K action (100 points). Gold dreamcard level requires 800 points/6 months (through December).

" >But I believe that these are only available at the $5 level ?"

The vp in hi-limit were out of service. The vp in MGM Grand has 9/6 JB but requires $25 coin-in for full royal.

No double points on Tuesday. But we did get 2 beach towels on Wed :slight_smile:

#31

Well I'd rather play a nearly 100% game and pay for my own meal then playing DDB or 8-5 Jacks just to get a little cashback or food coupon.
Bottom line is they don't need us or want us. Just look at the numbers of people playing penny slots (91%) at $3 a spin or the sickening whoosh as the losses are collected at the roulette (5.26% hold) wheel to see why. As long as people keep feeding them millions at mathematically unbeatable games why should they cater to us? At least games like NSUD or 3500 coin royal 10/7 DB with "nothing" would give the casino a guaranteed profit and allow the casino to offer, without fear, plenty of these games and in a larger variety such as hundred play, quarters, etc.

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "s4l4" <s4l4@...> wrote:

I totally agree with carolenny2002 who wants to play and get nothing back not me

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "carolenny2002" <carolenny@> wrote:
>
> I guess the casino IS monitoring this thread...
>
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> >
> > You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.
>

#32

Well I prefer to play good games also and I dont want to pay for my meals so AC here I come again

···

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

Well I'd rather play a nearly 100% game and pay for my own meal then playing DDB or 8-5 Jacks just to get a little cashback or food coupon.
Bottom line is they don't need us or want us. Just look at the numbers of people playing penny slots (91%) at $3 a spin or the sickening whoosh as the losses are collected at the roulette (5.26% hold) wheel to see why. As long as people keep feeding them millions at mathematically unbeatable games why should they cater to us? At least games like NSUD or 3500 coin royal 10/7 DB with "nothing" would give the casino a guaranteed profit and allow the casino to offer, without fear, plenty of these games and in a larger variety such as hundred play, quarters, etc.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "s4l4" <s4l4@> wrote:
>
> I totally agree with carolenny2002 who wants to play and get nothing back not me
>
> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "carolenny2002" <carolenny@> wrote:
> >
> > I guess the casino IS monitoring this thread...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You know they could turn this into a positive by installing a bunch of quarter machines with games like 9-6 JOB, PE, NSUD, BPD, even 10-7 DB with the royal shorted to take it down to a 99.90% game. Most of us recreational players would be happy playing these games with no points as long as there were plenty of them and we didn't have to sit at a bar to play.
> >
>