VP Machines ARE Programmed To Run In Few Hot & Many More Cold Cycles

[Rob_Singer1]

OK, for the many who want to know more about this truth (and thank
you for the e-mails that went both ways) let's give it a fresh start.
How can I make such a bold statement that would pierce the heart of
even the most teflon-coated geek?

In 1996 I sat in 1st class on a flight back from Australia to LAX.
Next to me - and also upgraded from Business class because he was a
frequent flyer with a partner American airline - turned out to be a
S/W engineer who managed a group of programmers that wrote code for
IGT's video poker machines. As a video poker enthisiast (actually,
addict) who was in the final stages of working on my original Play
Strategy, naturally we had a whole lot to talk about and luckily for
a change, the flight seemed to end as soon as it began. That's where
I first learned the idiosyncracies of how their vp machines operated.
Nothing was mentioned about cycles--just talk of randomness, Nevada &
Australian similarities in regulations, etc.

I've kept in touch with my 'friend' ever since, and he has followed
my rise to the top of the video poker world. (Like that one dicky??)!
Several years ago I met with him once again, and it was then that he
informed me that the vp machines are all programmed to run in mostly
cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented, cycles. I was also
told, after neurotically questioning him like little dicky would do,
that the State Regulations were still adhered to as far as "random
RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual language was written
AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you have any
experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly what I mean. If
not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky remains.

Critics and disbelievers like my pal diss these facts because they
don't understand them. In addition, accepting them would totally
disrupt a major part of their lives and might even lead to heart-
attack, divorce, or even madness. Comfort blanky replys
like "secondary programs are not allowed under the regs" are freely
passed around as a feel-good tactic, but they have no effect on
reality. If Dick were really any kind of a programmer, he'd have
known that all these parameters can be programmed into the game's
software and a 2nd program need not have been embedded at all.

So what happened? I gave the story to my publisher, he was allowed to
check out and verify everything that I wrote through contact with the
engineer, and after confirmation the article was published.
Immediately the next day Gt got a call from an IGT VP who asked for
me to get in touch with them ASAP. I called, flew up and met with the
man, and signed an agreement not to publish any further articles in
GT or write in any books what I wrote about in that article. He
stopped short of confirming what I was told, and I refused to tell
him my source.

That's it. Dicky won't believe it---who cares? All that means is
he'll never try to train himself to spot machine patterns which will
make him a much better player. It's not much more complicated than
card-counting, only the administration of it is much simpler because
you're not dealing with other people, no one's watching, and you can
do it all at your own pace. And oh yes, it's the main reason why i
won't be monitored when I play a session. Imagine a nerd sitting next
to you with bad breath, grunting and groaning, and constantly
sniffling while you're trying to concentrate on a very important job.
That's enough to silence Jay Leno!!

[Bob_Sommer_Top_of_th]

I must say that this makes some sense. I am not a computer programmer
but know enough about it to understand what you are saying. I DO know a
lot about government contracts and understand that part completely. It
is a suspicion I have had for the past several years. Thanks for the info.

Bob

rsing1111 wrote:

OK, for the many who want to know more about this truth (and thank
you for the e-mails that went both ways) let's give it a fresh start.
How can I make such a bold statement that would pierce the heart of
even the most teflon-coated geek?

In 1996 I sat in 1st class on a flight back from Australia to LAX.
Next to me - and also upgraded from Business class because he was a
frequent flyer with a partner American airline - turned out to be a
S/W engineer who managed a group of programmers that wrote code for
IGT's video poker machines. As a video poker enthisiast (actually,
addict) who was in the final stages of working on my original Play
Strategy, naturally we had a whole lot to talk about and luckily for
a change, the flight seemed to end as soon as it began. That's where
I first learned the idiosyncracies of how their vp machines operated.
Nothing was mentioned about cycles--just talk of randomness, Nevada &
Australian similarities in regulations, etc.

I've kept in touch with my 'friend' ever since, and he has followed
my rise to the top of the video poker world. (Like that one dicky??)!
Several years ago I met with him once again, and it was then that he
informed me that the vp machines are all programmed to run in mostly
cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented, cycles. I was also
told, after neurotically questioning him like little dicky would do,
that the State Regulations were still adhered to as far as "random
RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual language was written
AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you have any
experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly what I mean. If
not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky remains.

Critics and disbelievers like my pal diss these facts because they
don't understand them. In addition, accepting them would totally
disrupt a major part of their lives and might even lead to heart-
attack, divorce, or even madness. Comfort blanky replys
like "secondary programs are not allowed under the regs" are freely
passed around as a feel-good tactic, but they have no effect on
reality. If Dick were really any kind of a programmer, he'd have
known that all these parameters can be programmed into the game's
software and a 2nd program need not have been embedded at all.

So what happened? I gave the story to my publisher, he was allowed to
check out and verify everything that I wrote through contact with the
engineer, and after confirmation the article was published.
Immediately the next day Gt got a call from an IGT VP who asked for
me to get in touch with them ASAP. I called, flew up and met with the
man, and signed an agreement not to publish any further articles in
GT or write in any books what I wrote about in that article. He
stopped short of confirming what I was told, and I refused to tell
him my source.

That's it. Dicky won't believe it---who cares? All that means is
he'll never try to train himself to spot machine patterns which will
make him a much better player. It's not much more complicated than
card-counting, only the administration of it is much simpler because
you're not dealing with other people, no one's watching, and you can
do it all at your own pace. And oh yes, it's the main reason why i
won't be monitored when I play a session. Imagine a nerd sitting next
to you with bad breath, grunting and groaning, and constantly
sniffling while you're trying to concentrate on a very important job.
That's enough to silence Jay Leno!!

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[jim_thompson]

This hallucinatory lie would be illegal under Nevada
law.

"The top of the video poker world". Hallucination does
not begin to do this one honor.

···

--- rsing1111 <rsinger1111@cox.net> wrote:

OK, for the many who want to know more about this
truth (and thank
you for the e-mails that went both ways) let's give
it a fresh start.
How can I make such a bold statement that would
pierce the heart of
even the most teflon-coated geek?

In 1996 I sat in 1st class on a flight back from
Australia to LAX.
Next to me - and also upgraded from Business class
because he was a
frequent flyer with a partner American airline -
turned out to be a
S/W engineer who managed a group of programmers that
wrote code for
IGT's video poker machines. As a video poker
enthisiast (actually,
addict) who was in the final stages of working on my
original Play
Strategy, naturally we had a whole lot to talk about
and luckily for
a change, the flight seemed to end as soon as it
began. That's where
I first learned the idiosyncracies of how their vp
machines operated.
Nothing was mentioned about cycles--just talk of
randomness, Nevada &
Australian similarities in regulations, etc.

I've kept in touch with my 'friend' ever since, and
he has followed
my rise to the top of the video poker world. (Like
that one dicky??)!
Several years ago I met with him once again, and it
was then that he
informed me that the vp machines are all programmed
to run in mostly
cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented,
cycles. I was also
told, after neurotically questioning him like little
dicky would do,
that the State Regulations were still adhered to as
far as "random
RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual
language was written
AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you
have any
experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly
what I mean. If
not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky
remains.

Critics and disbelievers like my pal diss these
facts because they
don't understand them. In addition, accepting them
would totally
disrupt a major part of their lives and might even
lead to heart-
attack, divorce, or even madness. Comfort blanky
replys
like "secondary programs are not allowed under the
regs" are freely
passed around as a feel-good tactic, but they have
no effect on
reality. If Dick were really any kind of a
programmer, he'd have
known that all these parameters can be programmed
into the game's
software and a 2nd program need not have been
embedded at all.

So what happened? I gave the story to my publisher,
he was allowed to
check out and verify everything that I wrote through
contact with the
engineer, and after confirmation the article was
published.
Immediately the next day Gt got a call from an IGT
VP who asked for
me to get in touch with them ASAP. I called, flew up
and met with the
man, and signed an agreement not to publish any
further articles in
GT or write in any books what I wrote about in that
article. He
stopped short of confirming what I was told, and I
refused to tell
him my source.

That's it. Dicky won't believe it---who cares? All
that means is
he'll never try to train himself to spot machine
patterns which will
make him a much better player. It's not much more
complicated than
card-counting, only the administration of it is much
simpler because
you're not dealing with other people, no one's
watching, and you can
do it all at your own pace. And oh yes, it's the
main reason why i
won't be monitored when I play a session. Imagine a
nerd sitting next
to you with bad breath, grunting and groaning, and
constantly
sniffling while you're trying to concentrate on a
very important job.
That's enough to silence Jay Leno!!

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[Rob_Singer1]

This hallucinatory lie would be illegal under Nevada
law.

Asserted lie. (little dicky's been educated and can now explain it to
you).

"The top of the video poker world". Hallucination does not begin to

do this one honor.

I guess you'd know!

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, jim thompson <meldrone@...> wrote:

[optdouble]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@...>
wrote:

Several years ago I met with him once again, and it was then that

he

informed me that the vp machines are all programmed to run in

mostly

cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented, cycles. I was also
told, after neurotically questioning him like little dicky would

do,

that the State Regulations were still adhered to as far as "random
RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual language was written
AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you have any
experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly what I mean.

If

not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky remains.

Rob, could you please elaborate on what "correction-oriented cycles"
means? Does this mean they deliberately run the machine through
some guaranteed losing cycles, and then run a hot cycle which allows
enough wins to get up to the point of being minimally "randomly
accurate" on the whole? Just curious.

I am a software engineer by trade (not in the gaming industry
though), and I can certainly vouch for the fact that ONE program
could easily do anything without the need for any SECOND embedded
program. The motives would also be there for the casinos to not
allow any more randomness than it HAD to by law. Meaning, they
would probably minimally comply with the law, but not necessarily
allow complete randomness such that they were open to the possibility
of a big loss on a machine if the RNG started selecting too many
winners due to a random sequence.

For those mathematically inclined, randomness cannot be easily proved
or disproved in all the necessary aspects, just the composite totals
are usually checked and enforced. This means if a machine were to
run for 10,000,000 hands, we could easily verify that the totals were
within statistical norms for the total return of the paytable, number
of occurrences of each pay category ( ie number of flushes,
straights, full houses, 4-of-a-kinds, straight flushes, royal
flushes ), etc. BUT there would be no easy way to verify that the
machine was actually dispensing the results RANDOMLY on each hand,
only that the total number of hands loosely corresponds to a random
outcome.

I assume that is one of the reasons for your "special plays",
correct? Perhaps, you have decoded some of the "patterns" and thus
know when it is correct to go for a 4-of-a-kind rather than holding 2
pair for the possible full house.

I find this discussion fascinating and now see why the gurus would be
aghast if this was actually how things were working. It also makes
a lot of sense why the gurus would be seen as a positive thing to the
casinos, rather than people to be squelched or stopped like blackjack
card counters are. They are basically the "evangelists" employed
to get enough common people excited to create "believers" in the
mentality that they are guaranteed to win if only they can play
enough hands fast enough at high enough denominations to approach
the "long run".

The cynical side of me wonders if the machines are in fact programmed
to be running mostly "cold cycles" during all of the comp promotions
such as double bonus points, etc. After all, what could be better
for the casinos than to have a bunch of advantage players trying to
put as much "coin-in" as possible during a promotion where the
machines are running cold cycles? Talk about profit maximization!!

[rgmustain]

Hmmmm. I have already proved these statements are illogical,
impossible or outright lies. Anyone following this forum already
knows that. Rob is a con-man and will continue to perpetrate this con
even in the face of constant embarrassment. If you like to see Rob
look foolish then continue reading this forum and my comments below.
If you have better things to do, then ignore his nonsense and spend
your time on VPfree.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@...>
wrote:

OK, for the many who want to know more about this truth (and thank
you for the e-mails that went both ways) let's give it a fresh

start.

How can I make such a bold statement that would pierce the heart of
even the most teflon-coated geek?

By lying. It's what you do.

In 1996 I sat in 1st class on a flight back from Australia to LAX.
Next to me - and also upgraded from Business class because he was a
frequent flyer with a partner American airline - turned out to be a
S/W engineer who managed a group of programmers that wrote code for
IGT's video poker machines. As a video poker enthisiast (actually,
addict) who was in the final stages of working on my original Play
Strategy, naturally we had a whole lot to talk about and luckily

for

a change, the flight seemed to end as soon as it began. That's

where

I first learned the idiosyncracies of how their vp machines

operated.

Nothing was mentioned about cycles--just talk of randomness, Nevada

&

Australian similarities in regulations, etc.

And yet, Rob still doesn't supply his name. We already know this is
the old "inside-info" con. Sorry, Robbie my boy, but my reference
to "Hacking the Casinos for a Million Bucks" has proven there are
NO "idiosyncracies". By the way, here's another reference to this
document in PDF format.

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/97/07645695/0764569597.pdf

I've kept in touch with my 'friend' ever since, and he has followed
my rise to the top of the video poker world. (Like that one

dicky??)!

I like it when you lie. It makes my job that much easier.

Several years ago I met with him once again, and it was then that

he

informed me that the vp machines are all programmed to run in

mostly

cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented, cycles.

I have also proven a machine can't have more cold cycles than hot
cycles. If cycles exist at all, there has to be exactly the same
number. This is simple math, Robbie my boy, which you have failed to
refute at any time. Remember, it has to be HCHCHC, because if it was
HCCHCCHCC, then the two cold cycles are really just one longer cold
cycle and you're back to HCHCHC.

I was also
told, after neurotically questioning him like little dicky would

do,

that the State Regulations were still adhered to as far as "random
RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual language was written
AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you have any
experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly what I mean.

If

not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky remains.

More BS. I posted the EXACT regulation, 14.040, that refutes this
claim.

http://gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs/reg14.pdf

Robbie then tried to assert that the NGC was not part of the state of
Nevada in an attempt to claim this was a contract. I showed, once
again, that Robbie was lying by posting a reference to the State of
NV website that clearly shows the NGC is an agency of the state.

Critics and disbelievers like my pal diss these facts because they
don't understand them.

We understand ALL the facts. That's why it's so easy to prove this is
BS intended to con others into believing Rob knows something that no
one else does. Sorry, Rob, it's not going to work.

In addition, accepting them would totally
disrupt a major part of their lives and might even lead to heart-
attack, divorce, or even madness.

This is Rob's Inner Voice (RIV). It uses Rob's attempts to insult
others to give us a clear view into his own personal life.

Comfort blanky replys
like "secondary programs are not allowed under the regs" are freely
passed around as a feel-good tactic, but they have no effect on
reality.

They don't effect reality ... they ARE reality.

If Dick were really any kind of a programmer, he'd have
known that all these parameters can be programmed into the game's
software and a 2nd program need not have been embedded at all.

Another poor attempt by Rob to sound like he has "inside-info".
The "Hacking ..." reference explained that the code in the RNG of IGT
machines was very simple and was extremely easy to hack. This outside
reference, along with the clear and obvious NGC regulations are more
than enough evidence for an unbiased reader to see that Rob is lying.

So what happened? I gave the story to my publisher, he was allowed

to

check out and verify everything that I wrote through contact with

the

engineer, and after confirmation the article was published.
Immediately the next day Gt got a call from an IGT VP who asked for
me to get in touch with them ASAP. I called, flew up and met with

the

man, and signed an agreement not to publish any further articles in
GT or write in any books what I wrote about in that article. He
stopped short of confirming what I was told, and I refused to tell
him my source.

I guess GT took it seriously when confronted with a lawsuit. I'm sure
IGT doesn't want anyone publishing lies which could impact their
sales. Tell us, Rob, how much would you have been sued for if you
kept claiming these lies? I mean, hey, if they were the TRUTH, you
had nothing to worry about. Right?

That's it. Dicky won't believe it---who cares? All that means is
he'll never try to train himself to spot machine patterns which

will

make him a much better player. It's not much more complicated than
card-counting, only the administration of it is much simpler

because

you're not dealing with other people, no one's watching, and you

can

do it all at your own pace.

And, yet, Rob can't explain how to do this. I've asked him umpteen
times to write it down and he waffles everytime. This is what con men
do all the time. They claim some mysterious effect but never explain
how it works.

And oh yes, it's the main reason why i
won't be monitored when I play a session. Imagine a nerd sitting

next

to you with bad breath, grunting and groaning, and constantly
sniffling while you're trying to concentrate on a very important

job.

That's enough to silence Jay Leno!!

As if we needed any more evidence that this is a con, Robbie won't
let anyone watch him to independently verify his claims.

[rgmustain]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@>
wrote:
> Several years ago I met with him once again, and it was then that
he
> informed me that the vp machines are all programmed to run in
mostly
> cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented, cycles. I was

also

> told, after neurotically questioning him like little dicky would
do,
> that the State Regulations were still adhered to as far

as "random

> RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual language was

written

> AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you have any
> experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly what I mean.
If
> not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky remains.

Rob, could you please elaborate on what "correction-oriented

cycles"

means? Does this mean they deliberately run the machine through
some guaranteed losing cycles, and then run a hot cycle which

allows

enough wins to get up to the point of being minimally "randomly
accurate" on the whole? Just curious.

This should be real interesting. Rob has already claimed that these
cycles don't impact the overall payback of the machines, which would
obviously violates NGC reg. 14.040.

I am a software engineer by trade (not in the gaming industry
though), and I can certainly vouch for the fact that ONE program
could easily do anything without the need for any SECOND embedded
program.

True, but the "Hacking ..." reference indicated that all the code
does is directly map the next RNG number into a card. That's one
reason it was so easy to hack. In addition, the RNG itself was a
copied algorithm from Knuth. Do you believe Knuth is in bed with the
casinos as well and PUBLISHES RNG algorithms that aren't random?

The motives would also be there for the casinos to not
allow any more randomness than it HAD to by law. Meaning, they
would probably minimally comply with the law, but not necessarily
allow complete randomness such that they were open to the

possibility

of a big loss on a machine if the RNG started selecting too many
winners due to a random sequence.

I beleive you just claimed the "casinos" were doing this. IGT,
Balleys, etc. are the machine manufacturers. The casinos aren't
involved.

For those mathematically inclined, randomness cannot be easily

proved

or disproved in all the necessary aspects, just the composite

totals

are usually checked and enforced. This means if a machine were

to

run for 10,000,000 hands, we could easily verify that the totals

were

within statistical norms for the total return of the paytable,

number

of occurrences of each pay category ( ie number of flushes,
straights, full houses, 4-of-a-kinds, straight flushes, royal
flushes ), etc. BUT there would be no easy way to verify that

the

machine was actually dispensing the results RANDOMLY on each hand,
only that the total number of hands loosely corresponds to a random
outcome.

What would the casinos gain by this? They are the ones that are
guaranteed to see 10,000,000 hands/machine on a regular basis. If the
machines paid back correctly over this period the casinos would get
the exact same return independent of hot or cold cycles. So, why
would they care?

I assume that is one of the reasons for your "special plays",
correct? Perhaps, you have decoded some of the "patterns" and

thus

know when it is correct to go for a 4-of-a-kind rather than holding

2

pair for the possible full house.

Yup, he's decoded a mysterious pattern that he can't describe. Would
you also like to buy some prime real estate in lower Louisiana?

I find this discussion fascinating and now see why the gurus would

be

aghast if this was actually how things were working.

Why would anyone be "aghast" at hot and cold cycles that can't be
described?

It also makes
a lot of sense why the gurus would be seen as a positive thing to

the

casinos, rather than people to be squelched or stopped like

blackjack

card counters are. They are basically the "evangelists" employed
to get enough common people excited to create "believers" in the
mentality that they are guaranteed to win if only they can play
enough hands fast enough at high enough denominations to approach
the "long run".

I thought you said you were a software engineer. If the machines pay
back correctly as required by law, then it doesn't matter whether or
not the machines have hot and cold cycles. People using expert play
techniques will still win over time.

The cynical side of me wonders if the machines are in fact

programmed

to be running mostly "cold cycles" during all of the comp

promotions

such as double bonus points, etc.

This would require a programmable interface which has been always
been forbidden by law. Although this may change in the future, we're
not talking about the future.

After all, what could be better
for the casinos than to have a bunch of advantage players trying to
put as much "coin-in" as possible during a promotion where the
machines are running cold cycles? Talk about profit

maximization!!

So you do believe the myth that there's a switch in the backroom? Do
you tap the hold button too?

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@...> wrote:

[Rob_Singer1]

Rob, could you please elaborate on what "correction-oriented

cycles" means? Does this mean they deliberately run the machine
through some guaranteed losing cycles, and then run a hot cycle which
allows enough wins to get up to the point of being
minimally "randomly accurate" on the whole? Just curious.

You understand that little dicky, in his nervous and neurotic need
to "set the record straight according to the dicker" will, as he
usually does, attempt to cloud this, but you seem intelligent enough
to ignore the fool.

There is a certain hold percentage in each casino (and it's defferent
everywhere) that the machine is not allowed to go below, but because
of the nature of the game and the amount of poor players who sit at
the games every day, most machines approach that point regularly. It
is at these times where you see a hand like 4-to-the-royal dealt--or
a dealt RF--and the RF is hot on the draw. You also hear of people
claiming to hit back-to-back royals. That would never happen in the
real world. Never, regardless of little dicky's protest. Similarly,
if the machine has been too 'lucky' on it's random selections and the
hold goes lower than the casino wants it to be at for business
purposes, the cold cycles become more frequent. So the natural
question is "but what about the positive EV games that have been
removed--if what you're saying is true then it doesn't make sense to
remove them". The higher the payouts then the lower the hold and the
more corrections have to occur. Since business profits are analyzed
on a monthly basis, these machines too often have too low a hold at
that time of the month because of the higher opportunity for them to
be in that mode, and it fouls up the balance sheet.

I am a software engineer by trade (not in the gaming industry
though), and I can certainly vouch for the fact that ONE program
could easily do anything without the need for any SECOND embedded
program. The motives would also be there for the casinos to not
allow any more randomness than it HAD to by law. Meaning, they
would probably minimally comply with the law, but not necessarily
allow complete randomness such that they were open to the

possibility

of a big loss on a machine if the RNG started selecting too many
winners due to a random sequence.

You are stating what I mean when I say those contracts are written to
appease more than one entity.

For those mathematically inclined, randomness cannot be easily

proved or disproved in all the necessary aspects, just the composite
totals are usually checked and enforced. This means if a machine
were to run for 10,000,000 hands, we could easily verify that the
totals were within statistical norms for the total return of the
paytable, number of occurrences of each pay category ( ie number of
flushes, straights, full houses, 4-of-a-kinds, straight flushes,
royal flushes ), etc. BUT there would be no easy way to verify
that the machine was actually dispensing the results RANDOMLY on each
hand, only that the total number of hands loosely corresponds to a
random outcome.

I assume that is one of the reasons for your "special plays",
correct? Perhaps, you have decoded some of the "patterns" and

thus know when it is correct to go for a 4-of-a-kind rather than
holding 2 pair for the possible full house.

Yes, but I concentrate more on overall machine 'performance' rather
than on just looking for the pattern of the special quads. They 'fall
into place' during the process--but not every time of course.

I find this discussion fascinating and now see why the gurus would

be aghast if this was actually how things were working. It also
makes a lot of sense why the gurus would be seen as a positive thing
to the casinos, rather than people to be squelched or stopped like
blackjack card counters are. They are basically the "evangelists"
employed to get enough common people excited to create "believers" in
the mentality that they are guaranteed to win if only they can play
enough hands fast enough at high enough denominations to approach
the "long run".

The cynical side of me wonders if the machines are in fact

programmed to be running mostly "cold cycles" during all of the comp
promotions such as double bonus points, etc. After all, what could
be better for the casinos than to have a bunch of advantage players
trying to put as much "coin-in" as possible during a promotion where
the machines are running cold cycles? Talk about profit maximization!!

Perhaps some people will come to understand someday, as I do, just
why it really is that there are so many promotions going on every day
at the casinos!

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@...> wrote:

[Rob_Singer1]

Of course you're rattled again, little dicky....of COURSE you are!
All you've 'proved' is you're a dork. And stupid. and blind. and one
who works in a closed room of math models and geek-expressions. And
you're alone. Why, we all should only listen to you and not anyone
else who says you're wrong, RIGHT?!! Now maybe you know what a true
vp-blind clown is, RIGHT? RIGHT!

Hmmmm. I have already proved these statements are illogical,
impossible or outright lies. Anyone following this forum already
knows that. Rob is a con-man and will continue to perpetrate this

con

even in the face of constant embarrassment. If you like to see Rob
look foolish then continue reading this forum and my comments

below.

If you have better things to do, then ignore his nonsense and spend
your time on VPfree.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@>
wrote:
>
> OK, for the many who want to know more about this truth (and

thank

> you for the e-mails that went both ways) let's give it a fresh
start.
> How can I make such a bold statement that would pierce the heart

of

> even the most teflon-coated geek?

By lying. It's what you do.

>
> In 1996 I sat in 1st class on a flight back from Australia to

LAX.

> Next to me - and also upgraded from Business class because he was

a

> frequent flyer with a partner American airline - turned out to be

a

> S/W engineer who managed a group of programmers that wrote code

for

> IGT's video poker machines. As a video poker enthisiast

(actually,

> addict) who was in the final stages of working on my original

Play

> Strategy, naturally we had a whole lot to talk about and luckily
for
> a change, the flight seemed to end as soon as it began. That's
where
> I first learned the idiosyncracies of how their vp machines
operated.
> Nothing was mentioned about cycles--just talk of randomness,

Nevada

&
> Australian similarities in regulations, etc.

And yet, Rob still doesn't supply his name. We already know this is
the old "inside-info" con. Sorry, Robbie my boy, but my reference
to "Hacking the Casinos for a Million Bucks" has proven there are
NO "idiosyncracies". By the way, here's another reference to this
document in PDF format.

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/97/07645695/0764569597.pdf

>
> I've kept in touch with my 'friend' ever since, and he has

followed

> my rise to the top of the video poker world. (Like that one
dicky??)!

I like it when you lie. It makes my job that much easier.

> Several years ago I met with him once again, and it was then that
he
> informed me that the vp machines are all programmed to run in
mostly
> cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented, cycles.

I have also proven a machine can't have more cold cycles than hot
cycles. If cycles exist at all, there has to be exactly the same
number. This is simple math, Robbie my boy, which you have failed

to

refute at any time. Remember, it has to be HCHCHC, because if it

was

HCCHCCHCC, then the two cold cycles are really just one longer cold
cycle and you're back to HCHCHC.

> I was also
> told, after neurotically questioning him like little dicky would
do,
> that the State Regulations were still adhered to as far

as "random

> RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual language was

written

> AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you have any
> experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly what I mean.
If
> not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky remains.

More BS. I posted the EXACT regulation, 14.040, that refutes this
claim.

http://gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs/reg14.pdf

Robbie then tried to assert that the NGC was not part of the state

of

Nevada in an attempt to claim this was a contract. I showed, once
again, that Robbie was lying by posting a reference to the State of
NV website that clearly shows the NGC is an agency of the state.

>
> Critics and disbelievers like my pal diss these facts because

they

> don't understand them.

We understand ALL the facts. That's why it's so easy to prove this

is

BS intended to con others into believing Rob knows something that

no

one else does. Sorry, Rob, it's not going to work.

> In addition, accepting them would totally
> disrupt a major part of their lives and might even lead to heart-
> attack, divorce, or even madness.

This is Rob's Inner Voice (RIV). It uses Rob's attempts to insult
others to give us a clear view into his own personal life.

> Comfort blanky replys
> like "secondary programs are not allowed under the regs" are

freely

> passed around as a feel-good tactic, but they have no effect on
> reality.

They don't effect reality ... they ARE reality.

> If Dick were really any kind of a programmer, he'd have
> known that all these parameters can be programmed into the game's
> software and a 2nd program need not have been embedded at all.

Another poor attempt by Rob to sound like he has "inside-info".
The "Hacking ..." reference explained that the code in the RNG of

IGT

machines was very simple and was extremely easy to hack. This

outside

reference, along with the clear and obvious NGC regulations are

more

than enough evidence for an unbiased reader to see that Rob is

lying.

>
> So what happened? I gave the story to my publisher, he was

allowed

to
> check out and verify everything that I wrote through contact with
the
> engineer, and after confirmation the article was published.
> Immediately the next day Gt got a call from an IGT VP who asked

for

> me to get in touch with them ASAP. I called, flew up and met with
the
> man, and signed an agreement not to publish any further articles

in

> GT or write in any books what I wrote about in that article. He
> stopped short of confirming what I was told, and I refused to

tell

> him my source.

I guess GT took it seriously when confronted with a lawsuit. I'm

sure

IGT doesn't want anyone publishing lies which could impact their
sales. Tell us, Rob, how much would you have been sued for if you
kept claiming these lies? I mean, hey, if they were the TRUTH, you
had nothing to worry about. Right?

>
> That's it. Dicky won't believe it---who cares? All that means is
> he'll never try to train himself to spot machine patterns which
will
> make him a much better player. It's not much more complicated

than

> card-counting, only the administration of it is much simpler
because
> you're not dealing with other people, no one's watching, and you
can
> do it all at your own pace.

And, yet, Rob can't explain how to do this. I've asked him umpteen
times to write it down and he waffles everytime. This is what con

men

do all the time. They claim some mysterious effect but never

explain

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

how it works.

> And oh yes, it's the main reason why i
> won't be monitored when I play a session. Imagine a nerd sitting
next
> to you with bad breath, grunting and groaning, and constantly
> sniffling while you're trying to concentrate on a very important
job.
> That's enough to silence Jay Leno!!

As if we needed any more evidence that this is a con, Robbie won't
let anyone watch him to independently verify his claims.

[Rob_Singer1]

Give it up, little dicky. Over and over again you're out-classed and
made the fool of your own field. Trying to make yourself feel better
about all the sense here is superficial and will be rendered useless
just as soon as you read my reply. I sense you're geek-armor
weakening as we speak. Oh, can it EVER get any better than this?!!
When will we have the chance again to watch as little dicky wallows
away in self-sympathy?? And I though pulling the nerds' pants down in
the girl's high school gym was the epic moment in my life!

> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@>
> wrote:
> > Several years ago I met with him once again, and it was then

that

> he
> > informed me that the vp machines are all programmed to run in
> mostly
> > cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented, cycles. I was
also
> > told, after neurotically questioning him like little dicky

would

> do,
> > that the State Regulations were still adhered to as far
as "random
> > RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual language was
written
> > AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you have any
> > experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly what I

mean.

> If
> > not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky remains.
>
>
> Rob, could you please elaborate on what "correction-oriented
cycles"
> means? Does this mean they deliberately run the machine through
> some guaranteed losing cycles, and then run a hot cycle which
allows
> enough wins to get up to the point of being minimally "randomly
> accurate" on the whole? Just curious.

This should be real interesting. Rob has already claimed that these
cycles don't impact the overall payback of the machines, which

would

obviously violates NGC reg. 14.040.

>
> I am a software engineer by trade (not in the gaming industry
> though), and I can certainly vouch for the fact that ONE program
> could easily do anything without the need for any SECOND embedded
> program.

True, but the "Hacking ..." reference indicated that all the code
does is directly map the next RNG number into a card. That's one
reason it was so easy to hack. In addition, the RNG itself was a
copied algorithm from Knuth. Do you believe Knuth is in bed with

the

casinos as well and PUBLISHES RNG algorithms that aren't random?

> The motives would also be there for the casinos to not
> allow any more randomness than it HAD to by law. Meaning, they
> would probably minimally comply with the law, but not necessarily
> allow complete randomness such that they were open to the
possibility
> of a big loss on a machine if the RNG started selecting too many
> winners due to a random sequence.

I beleive you just claimed the "casinos" were doing this. IGT,
Balleys, etc. are the machine manufacturers. The casinos aren't
involved.

>
> For those mathematically inclined, randomness cannot be easily
proved
> or disproved in all the necessary aspects, just the composite
totals
> are usually checked and enforced. This means if a machine were
to
> run for 10,000,000 hands, we could easily verify that the totals
were
> within statistical norms for the total return of the paytable,
number
> of occurrences of each pay category ( ie number of flushes,
> straights, full houses, 4-of-a-kinds, straight flushes, royal
> flushes ), etc. BUT there would be no easy way to verify that
the
> machine was actually dispensing the results RANDOMLY on each

hand,

> only that the total number of hands loosely corresponds to a

random

> outcome.

What would the casinos gain by this? They are the ones that are
guaranteed to see 10,000,000 hands/machine on a regular basis. If

the

machines paid back correctly over this period the casinos would get
the exact same return independent of hot or cold cycles. So, why
would they care?

>
> I assume that is one of the reasons for your "special plays",
> correct? Perhaps, you have decoded some of the "patterns" and
thus
> know when it is correct to go for a 4-of-a-kind rather than

holding

2
> pair for the possible full house.

Yup, he's decoded a mysterious pattern that he can't describe.

Would

you also like to buy some prime real estate in lower Louisiana?

>
> I find this discussion fascinating and now see why the gurus

would

be
> aghast if this was actually how things were working.

Why would anyone be "aghast" at hot and cold cycles that can't be
described?

> It also makes
> a lot of sense why the gurus would be seen as a positive thing to
the
> casinos, rather than people to be squelched or stopped like
blackjack
> card counters are. They are basically the "evangelists"

employed

> to get enough common people excited to create "believers" in the
> mentality that they are guaranteed to win if only they can play
> enough hands fast enough at high enough denominations to approach
> the "long run".

I thought you said you were a software engineer. If the machines

pay

back correctly as required by law, then it doesn't matter whether

or

not the machines have hot and cold cycles. People using expert play
techniques will still win over time.

>
> The cynical side of me wonders if the machines are in fact
programmed
> to be running mostly "cold cycles" during all of the comp
promotions
> such as double bonus points, etc.

This would require a programmable interface which has been always
been forbidden by law. Although this may change in the future,

we're

not talking about the future.

> After all, what could be better
> for the casinos than to have a bunch of advantage players trying

to

> put as much "coin-in" as possible during a promotion where the
> machines are running cold cycles? Talk about profit
maximization!!

So you do believe the myth that there's a switch in the backroom?

Do

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@> wrote:
you tap the hold button too?

[optdouble]

There is a certain hold percentage in each casino (and it's

defferent

everywhere) that the machine is not allowed to go below, but

because

of the nature of the game and the amount of poor players who sit at
the games every day, most machines approach that point regularly.

It

is at these times where you see a hand like 4-to-the-royal dealt--

or

a dealt RF--and the RF is hot on the draw. You also hear of people
claiming to hit back-to-back royals. That would never happen in the
real world. Never, regardless of little dicky's protest. Similarly,
if the machine has been too 'lucky' on it's random selections and

the

hold goes lower than the casino wants it to be at for business
purposes, the cold cycles become more frequent. So the natural
question is "but what about the positive EV games that have been
removed--if what you're saying is true then it doesn't make sense

to

remove them". The higher the payouts then the lower the hold and

the

more corrections have to occur. Since business profits are analyzed
on a monthly basis, these machines too often have too low a hold at
that time of the month because of the higher opportunity for them

to

be in that mode, and it fouls up the balance sheet.

Thanks, Rob. Finally a clear explanation that we can all
understand. Although we will be probably see a bunch of replies
talking about how this is "illegal" and "wouldn't be allowed". Do
you really trust the casinos that much??? After minimally
complying with the regulations, you should expect them to try and
take every dollar that they can in any way humanly possible. I
mean, who do you think is contributing the money to build all of
those huge casino hotels anyways....

So, basically a bunch of "advantage players" playing the same machine
more or less ensures that the number of Royal Flushes will be LESS
than expected almost all of the time since the machine will not be
making enough money to get into a mode where "hot cycle corrections"
are needed. In other words, enough idiot players would be needed to
make the required profit on the machine to ensure that enough Royal
Flushes could be "allowed".

This would also suggest that somebody would be a COMPLETE IDIOT to
keep playing a machine after it just hit a Royal Flush, correct?
Because the machine would surely be overcorrected after that point,
and would probably be starting a bunch of new cold cycles.

Yes, but I concentrate more on overall machine 'performance' rather
than on just looking for the pattern of the special quads.

They 'fall

into place' during the process--but not every time of course.

So, if a machine was running really cold while you were on it, would
you be more inclined to try the "special plays" on the theory that it
might be getting ready for a "corrective hot cycle", or would you
wait to do them after a machine starts to go hit small pays a couple
of times after running cold for a while first?

Also, it would stand to reason that correct "casino strategy" for VP
machines would be to take over a machine which has just busted out
somebody after they placed a decent amount of credits on it, in the
theory that they have used up a lot of the cold cycles, and the
machine is then theoretically nearer to a corrective hot cycle.

[rgmustain]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@...>
wrote:

Of course you're rattled again, little dicky

RIV. Pointing out your lies is quite fun.

....of COURSE you are!
All you've 'proved' is you're a dork. And stupid. and blind. and

one

who works in a closed room of math models and geek-expressions. And
you're alone. Why, we all should only listen to you and not anyone
else who says you're wrong, RIGHT?!! Now maybe you know what a true
vp-blind clown is, RIGHT? RIGHT!

Didn't you mention "wordy" a bit ago? ... It's pretty obvious who's
rattled here. Rob obviously choose not to respond to my points below
because he knows he can't refute the facts. How sweet it is ...

I'll leave them here one more time to keep Robbie rattled.

>
> Hmmmm. I have already proved these statements are illogical,
> impossible or outright lies. Anyone following this forum already
> knows that. Rob is a con-man and will continue to perpetrate this
con
> even in the face of constant embarrassment. If you like to see

Rob

> look foolish then continue reading this forum and my comments
below.
> If you have better things to do, then ignore his nonsense and

spend

> your time on VPfree.
>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@>
> wrote:
> >
> > OK, for the many who want to know more about this truth (and
thank
> > you for the e-mails that went both ways) let's give it a fresh
> start.
> > How can I make such a bold statement that would pierce the

heart

of
> > even the most teflon-coated geek?
>
> By lying. It's what you do.
>
> >
> > In 1996 I sat in 1st class on a flight back from Australia to
LAX.
> > Next to me - and also upgraded from Business class because he

was

a
> > frequent flyer with a partner American airline - turned out to

be

a
> > S/W engineer who managed a group of programmers that wrote code
for
> > IGT's video poker machines. As a video poker enthisiast
(actually,
> > addict) who was in the final stages of working on my original
Play
> > Strategy, naturally we had a whole lot to talk about and

luckily

> for
> > a change, the flight seemed to end as soon as it began. That's
> where
> > I first learned the idiosyncracies of how their vp machines
> operated.
> > Nothing was mentioned about cycles--just talk of randomness,
Nevada
> &
> > Australian similarities in regulations, etc.
>
> And yet, Rob still doesn't supply his name. We already know this

is

> the old "inside-info" con. Sorry, Robbie my boy, but my reference
> to "Hacking the Casinos for a Million Bucks" has proven there are
> NO "idiosyncracies". By the way, here's another reference to this
> document in PDF format.
>
>

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/excerpt/97/07645695/0764569597.pdf

>
> >
> > I've kept in touch with my 'friend' ever since, and he has
followed
> > my rise to the top of the video poker world. (Like that one
> dicky??)!
>
> I like it when you lie. It makes my job that much easier.
>
> > Several years ago I met with him once again, and it was then

that

> he
> > informed me that the vp machines are all programmed to run in
> mostly
> > cold and a few hot--mostly correction-oriented, cycles.
>
> I have also proven a machine can't have more cold cycles than hot
> cycles. If cycles exist at all, there has to be exactly the same
> number. This is simple math, Robbie my boy, which you have failed
to
> refute at any time. Remember, it has to be HCHCHC, because if it
was
> HCCHCCHCC, then the two cold cycles are really just one longer

cold

> cycle and you're back to HCHCHC.
>
> > I was also
> > told, after neurotically questioning him like little dicky

would

> do,
> > that the State Regulations were still adhered to as far
as "random
> > RNG's" were concerned, because the contractual language was
written
> > AND ACCEPTED as a multi-intentioned document. If you have any
> > experience with Gov't. contracts you'll know exactly what I

mean.

> If
> > not, you'll be instantly lost--as little dicky remains.
>
> More BS. I posted the EXACT regulation, 14.040, that refutes this
> claim.
>
> http://gaming.nv.gov/stats_regs/reg14.pdf
>
> Robbie then tried to assert that the NGC was not part of the

state

of
> Nevada in an attempt to claim this was a contract. I showed, once
> again, that Robbie was lying by posting a reference to the State

of

> NV website that clearly shows the NGC is an agency of the state.
>
> >
> > Critics and disbelievers like my pal diss these facts because
they
> > don't understand them.
>
> We understand ALL the facts. That's why it's so easy to prove

this

is
> BS intended to con others into believing Rob knows something that
no
> one else does. Sorry, Rob, it's not going to work.
>
> > In addition, accepting them would totally
> > disrupt a major part of their lives and might even lead to

heart-

> > attack, divorce, or even madness.
>
> This is Rob's Inner Voice (RIV). It uses Rob's attempts to insult
> others to give us a clear view into his own personal life.
>
> > Comfort blanky replys
> > like "secondary programs are not allowed under the regs" are
freely
> > passed around as a feel-good tactic, but they have no effect on
> > reality.
>
> They don't effect reality ... they ARE reality.
>
> > If Dick were really any kind of a programmer, he'd have
> > known that all these parameters can be programmed into the

game's

> > software and a 2nd program need not have been embedded at all.
>
> Another poor attempt by Rob to sound like he has "inside-info".
> The "Hacking ..." reference explained that the code in the RNG of
IGT
> machines was very simple and was extremely easy to hack. This
outside
> reference, along with the clear and obvious NGC regulations are
more
> than enough evidence for an unbiased reader to see that Rob is
lying.
>
> >
> > So what happened? I gave the story to my publisher, he was
allowed
> to
> > check out and verify everything that I wrote through contact

with

> the
> > engineer, and after confirmation the article was published.
> > Immediately the next day Gt got a call from an IGT VP who asked
for
> > me to get in touch with them ASAP. I called, flew up and met

with

> the
> > man, and signed an agreement not to publish any further

articles

in
> > GT or write in any books what I wrote about in that article. He
> > stopped short of confirming what I was told, and I refused to
tell
> > him my source.
>
> I guess GT took it seriously when confronted with a lawsuit. I'm
sure
> IGT doesn't want anyone publishing lies which could impact their
> sales. Tell us, Rob, how much would you have been sued for if you
> kept claiming these lies? I mean, hey, if they were the TRUTH,

you

> had nothing to worry about. Right?
>
> >
> > That's it. Dicky won't believe it---who cares? All that means

is

> > he'll never try to train himself to spot machine patterns which
> will
> > make him a much better player. It's not much more complicated
than
> > card-counting, only the administration of it is much simpler
> because
> > you're not dealing with other people, no one's watching, and

you

> can
> > do it all at your own pace.
>
> And, yet, Rob can't explain how to do this. I've asked him

umpteen

> times to write it down and he waffles everytime. This is what con
men
> do all the time. They claim some mysterious effect but never
explain
> how it works.
>
> > And oh yes, it's the main reason why i
> > won't be monitored when I play a session. Imagine a nerd

sitting

> next
> > to you with bad breath, grunting and groaning, and constantly
> > sniffling while you're trying to concentrate on a very

important

> job.
> > That's enough to silence Jay Leno!!
>
> As if we needed any more evidence that this is a con, Robbie

won't

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:
> let anyone watch him to independently verify his claims.
>

[rgmustain]

I see that Rob's "wordiness" continues. Did I mention that is a sure
sign he has been rattled? Yup, poor Robbie, repeating the same insults
over and over again. Is he this repetitive in real life?

I bet Rob really like the one about buying property in Louisiana. I'll
wait and see if optdouble can respond, but don't count on it. He claims
to be a software engineer, yet, he doesn't understand that "secondary
programming" and a "second program" are two entirely different things.
Secondary programming is ANY code inserted to modify the behavior of
the RNG.

What's the word I want ... Oh, yes ... SHILL.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@...> wrote:

Give it up, little dicky. Over and over again you're out-classed and
made the fool of your own field. Trying to make yourself feel better
about all the sense here is superficial and will be rendered useless
just as soon as you read my reply. I sense you're geek-armor
weakening as we speak. Oh, can it EVER get any better than this?!!
When will we have the chance again to watch as little dicky wallows
away in self-sympathy?? And I though pulling the nerds' pants down in
the girl's high school gym was the epic moment in my life!

[rgmustain]

Thanks, Rob. Finally a clear explanation that we can all
understand. Although we will be probably see a bunch of replies
talking about how this is "illegal" and "wouldn't be allowed".

That's because it IS illegal ... not to mention, casinos have nothing
to gain. They already have the edge in almost all games. Why would
they risk losing their lucrative gambling business?

Do
you really trust the casinos that much??? After minimally
complying with the regulations, you should expect them to try and
take every dollar that they can in any way humanly possible.

Well, first off, this would NOT be "minimally complying with the
regulations", it would be breaking the law.

  I
mean, who do you think is contributing the money to build all of
those huge casino hotels anyways....

The players playing without an edge. Yup, the players who play
roulette, craps, BJ, stud, etc.; the players crowding into the poker
rooms where the casinos takes a % of every pot; the players hitting
the slots; the clueless VP players. I think we're up to about 99% of
casino customers. Was this really supposed to be an intelligent
statement?

So, basically a bunch of "advantage players" playing the same

machine

more or less ensures that the number of Royal Flushes will be LESS
than expected almost all of the time since the machine will not be
making enough money to get into a mode where "hot cycle

corrections"

are needed.

Did I mention clueless?

In other words, enough idiot players would be needed to
make the required profit on the machine to ensure that enough Royal
Flushes could be "allowed".

I wonder if this guy even understands that this is beyond secondary
programming. This would require throwing out the RNG altogether.

This would also suggest that somebody would be a COMPLETE IDIOT to
keep playing a machine after it just hit a Royal Flush, correct?
Because the machine would surely be overcorrected after that point,
and would probably be starting a bunch of new cold cycles.

So, I guess the two times I hit RFs within 15 minutes of each other
on the same machine is impossible. I'd better go back and check those
W2Gs and see if they are real.

So, if a machine was running really cold while you were on it,

would

you be more inclined to try the "special plays" on the theory that

it

might be getting ready for a "corrective hot cycle", or would you
wait to do them after a machine starts to go hit small pays a

couple

of times after running cold for a while first?

That land in Louisiana is still for sale. Never mind that the gulf is
eroding several feet of it every day. As long as it's in a "hot"
cycle I'm sure you'll be OK.

Also, it would stand to reason that correct "casino strategy" for

VP

machines would be to take over a machine which has just busted out
somebody after they placed a decent amount of credits on it, in the
theory that they have used up a lot of the cold cycles, and the
machine is then theoretically nearer to a corrective hot cycle.

I doubt that this is Robbie. Even he can see how idiotic this sounds.
Did I mention clueless?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@...> wrote:

[Rob_Singer1]

Thanks, Rob. Finally a clear explanation that we can all
understand. Although we will be probably see a bunch of replies
talking about how this is "illegal" and "wouldn't be allowed".

Well of COURSE it will. Ever see an addicted nerd ever try and make a
change?

> This would also suggest that somebody would be a COMPLETE IDIOT to

keep playing a machine after it just hit a Royal Flush, correct?

Not only a complete idiot....but a casino puppet as well. why do you
think they have so many 'double royals in 24hrs.
promotions'.....because they're feeling generous and are willing to
give up part pr all of their year-end bonuses?
   

So, if a machine was running really cold while you were on it,

would you be more inclined to try the "special plays" on the theory
that it might be getting ready for a "corrective hot cycle", or would
you wait to do them after a machine starts to go hit small pays a
couple of times after running cold for a while first?

No. If the machine is in a cold cycle I go to another machine if I'm
in the middle of a denomination and/or game. The special plays take
advantage of the fact that you get a certain deal, and you won't have
the opportunity to hit the special quad if you don't go for it. But
playing a machine in a hot cycle makes it all the more likely that it
will be the right play.

Also, it would stand to reason that correct "casino strategy" for

VP

machines would be to take over a machine which has just busted out
somebody after they placed a decent amount of credits on it, in the
theory that they have used up a lot of the cold cycles, and the
machine is then theoretically nearer to a corrective hot cycle.

Well yes, but I don't 'chase' machines in that manner. I rely on my
spotting talent more than anything.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@...> wrote:

[Rob_Singer1]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@>
wrote:
>
> Of course you're rattled again, little dicky

RIV. Pointing out your lies is quite fun.

So you agree, you're very rattled and trying to make believe it's
fun. i can live with that.

> ....of COURSE you are!

> All you've 'proved' is you're a dork. And stupid. and blind. and
one who works in a closed room of math models and geek-expressions.

And you're alone. Why, we all should only listen to you and not
anyone else who says you're wrong, RIGHT?!! Now maybe you know what a
true vp-blind clown is, RIGHT? RIGHT!

Didn't you mention "wordy" a bit ago? ... It's pretty obvious who's
rattled here. Rob obviously choose not to respond to my points

below because he knows he can't refute the facts. How sweet it is ...

one problem with your obvious nervous reply....My words hit home and
cause you trouble every time--which is the prime objective of my
existence here. The more I write, as a true writer and not a wannabee
trying to 'belong' like you, the better!

I'll leave them here one more time to keep Robbie rattled.

Is that suppose to clarify anything other than you've given up on
this subject by not responding to anything?? When facing defeat, do
it like a man instead of a weasel. C'mon....you're almost dead! Show
some dignity before you go!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

[Rob_Singer1]

Give it up, little dicky. Over and over again you're out-classed and
made the fool of your own field. Trying to make yourself feel better
about all the sense here is superficial and will be rendered useless
just as soon as you read my reply. I sense you're geek-armor
weakening as we speak. Oh, can it EVER get any better than this?!!
When will we have the chance again to watch as little dicky wallows
away in self-sympathy?? And I though pulling the nerds' pants down in
the girl's high school gym was the epic moment in my life!

I see that Rob's "wordiness" continues.

Yup--by a professional writer to boot! The more I can lay on you the
better the day....and night!

Did I mention that is a sure sign he has been rattled?

Kind of a wee bit too late to wear that comfy blankey to bed, little
dicky. You've been spanked so hard MY HAND is red!

Yup, poor Robbie, repeating the same insults over and over again. Is

he this repetitive in real life?

And loving every repeat, because just as we used to kick the nerds
down when they tried so hard to get up, it's just as satisfying
now....even more so, as I get to watch a live nerd suffer over and
over again before my very eyes. Thank you God!

I bet Rob really like the one about buying property in Louisiana.

??? What are you making up now?

I'll

wait and see if optdouble can respond, but don't count on it. He

claims to be a software engineer, yet, he doesn't understand
that "secondary programming" and a "second program" are two entirely
different things. Secondary programming is ANY code inserted to
modify the behavior of the RNG.

Isn't that just like a nervous ranting geek to make believe he knows
things someone else doesn't--and/or tries to correct someone with BS!
Where would this nerd be without his ability to 'set his record
straight' which he so neurotically needs to do every time someone
comes on and shows a tad bit of intelligence that goes beyond his
archaic knowledge base? How he must HURT inside.....

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@> wrote:

[Rob_Singer1]

> Thanks, Rob. Finally a clear explanation that we can all
> understand. Although we will be probably see a bunch of replies
> talking about how this is "illegal" and "wouldn't be allowed".

That's because it IS illegal ... not to mention, casinos have

nothing

to gain. They already have the edge in almost all games. Why would
they risk losing their lucrative gambling business?

Blah blah blah---same old rant with the same old tune of geek-denial
attached.

> Do
> you really trust the casinos that much??? After minimally
> complying with the regulations, you should expect them to try and
> take every dollar that they can in any way humanly possible.

Well, first off, this would NOT be "minimally complying with the
regulations", it would be breaking the law.

Which law---geek law? you've already been instructed on how the
contracts are written, you don't want a personal education class on
contract law, and you clearly couldn't live with yourself if you ever
came to the understanding that what you believe in is not the way it
is. Does the words 'little dicky's foolish' make any sense to you??
I

> mean, who do you think is contributing the money to build all of
> those huge casino hotels anyways....

The players playing without an edge. Yup, the players who play
roulette, craps, BJ, stud, etc.; the players crowding into the

poker rooms where the casinos takes a % of every pot; the players
hitting the slots; the clueless VP players. I think we're up to about
99% of casino customers. Was this really supposed to be an
intelligent statement?

There it is again....it's "the other guys" who lose and not little
dicky or any of the 'gurus'. Ho-Hum.... So wordy, yet so nerdy....

> So, basically a bunch of "advantage players" playing the same
machine
> more or less ensures that the number of Royal Flushes will be

LESS

> than expected almost all of the time since the machine will not

be

> making enough money to get into a mode where "hot cycle
corrections"
> are needed.

Did I mention clueless?

I certainly have, many times, and you fit that bill like a tee.

> In other words, enough idiot players would be needed to
> make the required profit on the machine to ensure that enough

Royal Flushes could be "allowed".

I wonder if this guy even understands that this is beyond secondary
programming. This would require throwing out the RNG altogether.

More evidence that you've never kept up with modern technology in
your own sorry field. Do you have to keep embarrassing me, as your
sponsor here??

> This would also suggest that somebody would be a COMPLETE IDIOT

to keep playing a machine after it just hit a Royal Flush, correct?

> Because the machine would surely be overcorrected after that

point, and would probably be starting a bunch of new cold cycles.

So, I guess the two times I hit RFs within 15 minutes of each other
on the same machine is impossible. I'd better go back and check

those W2Gs and see if they are real.

You just proved another point. That machine was in a hot cycle that
was required to correct it's hold percentage upwards. Thank you.

> So, if a machine was running really cold while you were on it,
would you be more inclined to try the "special plays" on the theory

that it might be getting ready for a "corrective hot cycle", or would
you wait to do them after a machine starts to go hit small pays a

couple of times after running cold for a while first?

That land in Louisiana is still for sale. Never mind that the gulf

is eroding several feet of it every day. As long as it's in a "hot"

cycle I'm sure you'll be OK.

Now the dufus is a Geologist in addition to a geek! Can it possibly
get any funnier tonight?

> Also, it would stand to reason that correct "casino strategy" for
VP machines would be to take over a machine which has just busted

out somebody after they placed a decent amount of credits on it, in
the theory that they have used up a lot of the cold cycles, and the
machine is then theoretically nearer to a corrective hot cycle.

I doubt that this is Robbie. Even he can see how idiotic this

sounds. Did I mention clueless?

Is that supposed to be a reply--or are you at a loss for words
again?? At least you didn't make me laugh here too!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "optdouble" <mworcester@> wrote:

[rgmustain]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@...>
wrote:

> >
> > Of course you're rattled again, little dicky
>
> RIV. Pointing out your lies is quite fun.

So you agree, you're very rattled and trying to make believe it's
fun. i can live with that.

No you can't, because you, more than anyone, knows the frustration
you feel every day as your read my posts.

> > ....of COURSE you are!

> > All you've 'proved' is you're a dork. And stupid. and blind.

and

> one who works in a closed room of math models and geek-

expressions.

And you're alone. Why, we all should only listen to you and not
anyone else who says you're wrong, RIGHT?!! Now maybe you know what

a

true vp-blind clown is, RIGHT? RIGHT!

> Didn't you mention "wordy" a bit ago? ... It's pretty obvious

who's

> rattled here. Rob obviously choose not to respond to my points
below because he knows he can't refute the facts. How sweet it

is ...

one problem with your obvious nervous reply....My words hit home

and

cause you trouble every time--

Yup, what hit home this time was your lack of words. Absolutely no
response to my factual statements.

which is the prime objective of my
existence here. The more I write, as a true writer and not a

wannabee

trying to 'belong' like you, the better!

Then why didn't Rob write something in response to my facts? Why did
he choose to just babble away instead? You be the the judge.

>
> I'll leave them here one more time to keep Robbie rattled.

Is that suppose to clarify anything other than you've given up on
this subject by not responding to anything?? When facing defeat, do
it like a man instead of a weasel. C'mon....you're almost dead!

Show

some dignity before you go!

RIV. The words "not responding to anything" is exactly what Rob did.
Rob's inner voice took this opportunity to point that out to
everyone. How sweet it is ...

Anyone doubt that all of these rants by Rob are really just his
reflected self-image?

[Rob_Singer1]

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Of course you're rattled again, little dicky
> >
> > RIV. Pointing out your lies is quite fun.
>
> So you agree, you're very rattled and trying to make believe it's
> fun. i can live with that.

No you can't, because you, more than anyone, knows the frustration
you feel every day as your read my posts.

I can live with that too! The more you post the more i come alive!
It's not often that geek-haters get to romp & stomp on them after
high school days are done. Again, thank you God!

And all you've 'proved' is you're a dork. And stupid. and blind.
and
> > one who works in a closed room of math models and geek-
expressions.
> And you're alone. Why, we all should only listen to you and not
> anyone else who says you're wrong, RIGHT?!! Now maybe you know

what

a
> true vp-blind clown is, RIGHT? RIGHT!
>
> > Didn't you mention "wordy" a bit ago? ... It's pretty obvious
who's
> > rattled here. Rob obviously choose not to respond to my points
> below because he knows he can't refute the facts. How sweet it
is ...
>
> one problem with your obvious nervous reply....My words hit home
and cause you trouble every time--

Yup, what hit home this time was your lack of words. Absolutely no
response to my factual statements.

But the facts are right there IN FRONT OF YOU, little dicky! You've
been made a fool of over and over and over. God bless the world!!!

which is the prime objective of my existence here. The more I

write, as a true writer and not a wannabee trying to 'belong' like
you, the better!

Then why didn't Rob write something in response to my facts? Why

did he choose to just babble away instead? You be the the judge.

I AM the judge....and jury. And to you, I'm your executioner too!
Feel that knife called 'the truth'? Feel it going right thru your
make believe heart? (I say make believe because no human heart could
EVER treat a wife as disrespectful as you've done)!

> > I'll leave them here one more time to keep Robbie rattled.
>
> Is that suppose to clarify anything other than you've given up on
> this subject by not responding to anything?? When facing defeat,

do it like a man instead of a weasel. C'mon....you're almost dead!

Show some dignity before you go!

RIV. The words "not responding to anything" is exactly what Rob

did. Rob's inner voice took this opportunity to point that out to

everyone. How sweet it is ...

i've asked for you to show at least SOME dignity. I mean, I really
don't like stompiung on a dead man (just a hurtin' one!).

Anyone doubt that all of these rants by Rob are really just his
reflected self-image?

I do I do!!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote: