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Voyage of the Damned at the Wynn

#1

Yeah, I know, I sound just like Rockofjello.

Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of dollar VP at the Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay and cashback) playing solely on their "advantage" machines. Some of this loss was recorded playing their FPDW (100.7%). That's 95.7%. In itself not compelling. But the thing is, I've never even SEEN a royal flush at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in or out. All I've ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic losing. Furthermore, this joint takes advice from a certain not-so-noted VP author.

That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long time since a casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem ludicrous for the Wynn to try it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me how they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up and go try again.

John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill

---- jt417552@aol.com wrote:

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I happened to to a site where a not so noted vp author has vid clips on how
to win. He said the newer machines in recent years can be set to pay off in
cycles. He must be legit, he was standing by a big rock out in the desert when
he made the vid.

Arbor Day. Get a seat early.
JT

In a message dated 5/12/2006 10:10:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lodestone@cox.net writes:

I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but the behavior of this slot department
has always been bizarre, and we are the perfect victims: no matter how much
we lose, we keep coming back. It's a 102%, $80/hour play. How can we stay
away?

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#2

That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long time
since a casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem ludicrous
for the Wynn to try it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me how
they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up

and >go try again.

I guess you missed my reply to a post a couple days ago. I've gotten
two Royals playing on the full pay bank at Wynn this year, and one
playing one of the 9/6 Jacks machines scattered about. That's in about
45,000 hands. It's not exactly satchels of money, but I'm ahead a
little bit so far.

Mike

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <lodestone@...> wrote:

#3

John, (substituting for Kevin)

I only played them when they were first put in but I had 2 royals
playing 10/7. One on the bank that is no more, the other on the other
bank. I also saw someone else get one.

Hope it helps.

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At 01:14 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:

Yeah, I know, I sound just like Rockofjello.

Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of
dollar VP at the Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay and
cashback) playing solely on their "advantage" machines. Some of this
loss was recorded playing their FPDW (100.7%). That's 95.7%. In
itself not compelling. But the thing is, I've never even SEEN a
royal flush at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in or
out. All I've ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic losing.
Furthermore, this joint takes advice from a certain not-so-noted VP author.

That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long time
since a casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem ludicrous
for the Wynn to try it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me how
they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up
and go try again.

John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill

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#4

Hi Bill,

I'm just wondering if these remaining 4 machines are exactly the smae
ones where you hit the Royals!? (same serial numbers)

As I recall, there were like at least a dozen of these machines when
Wynn casino was just opened and the story about them always points to
Rob Singer, who claimed that it was his idea for Wynn to put these
machines on the floor. (Did RS ever play these full pay machines? I
don't know.) Reports told us that some or many people won $$$ on
these machines.

Then, the machines started disappearing and only 4 remained.
(shoot....I didn't write down their serial numbers!?)
Why leave these 4 honest full pay machines now? Can Wynn make profit
out of them?

...just wondering...

John, (substituting for Kevin)

I only played them when they were first put in but I had 2 royals
playing 10/7. One on the bank that is no more, the other on the

other

bank. I also saw someone else get one.

Hope it helps.

>Yeah, I know, I sound just like Rockofjello.
>
>Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of
>dollar VP at the Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay

and

>cashback) playing solely on their "advantage" machines. Some of

this

>loss was recorded playing their FPDW (100.7%). That's 95.7%. In
>itself not compelling. But the thing is, I've never even SEEN a
>royal flush at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in or
>out. All I've ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic losing.
>Furthermore, this joint takes advice from a certain not-so-noted

VP author.

>
>That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long time
>since a casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem

ludicrous

>for the Wynn to try it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me

how

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

At 01:14 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:
>they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up
>and go try again.
>
>John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill

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#5

First, Steve Wynn ain't about to risk his license by putting in
gaffed machines (he'd be banned worldwide, not just LV).

Second, while I haven't been in for a while as far as I know the
existing bank is still where it always was.

Seriously, if you are really afraid of rigged machines you shouldn't
be playing. You are much safer playing a full-pay machine in any
Nevada-style jurisdiction than you are investing in a mutual fund.
Even though regulation over the markets has been tightened and I have
faith in the process it certainly isn't checked as tightly or
regularly as Nevada, New Jersey, Mississippi, all other riverboat
jurisdictions or even the vast majority of tribal casinos.

B

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At 03:08 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:

Hi Bill,

I'm just wondering if these remaining 4 machines are exactly the smae
ones where you hit the Royals!? (same serial numbers)

As I recall, there were like at least a dozen of these machines when
Wynn casino was just opened and the story about them always points to
Rob Singer, who claimed that it was his idea for Wynn to put these
machines on the floor. (Did RS ever play these full pay machines? I
don't know.) Reports told us that some or many people won $$$ on
these machines.

Then, the machines started disappearing and only 4 remained.
(shoot....I didn't write down their serial numbers!?)
Why leave these 4 honest full pay machines now? Can Wynn make profit
out of them?

...just wondering...

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>
> John, (substituting for Kevin)
>
> I only played them when they were first put in but I had 2 royals
> playing 10/7. One on the bank that is no more, the other on the
other
> bank. I also saw someone else get one.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> At 01:14 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:
> >Yeah, I know, I sound just like Rockofjello.
> >
> >Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of
> >dollar VP at the Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay
and
> >cashback) playing solely on their "advantage" machines. Some of
this
> >loss was recorded playing their FPDW (100.7%). That's 95.7%. In
> >itself not compelling. But the thing is, I've never even SEEN a
> >royal flush at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in or
> >out. All I've ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic losing.
> >Furthermore, this joint takes advice from a certain not-so-noted
VP author.
> >
> >That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long time
> >since a casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem
ludicrous
> >for the Wynn to try it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me
how
> >they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up
> >and go try again.
> >
> >John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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#6

I played on those machines outside the Red 8 on Tuesday, April 18,
from noon-5 p.m., exclusively 10-6 DDB at the quarter level. I think
I got 2 sets of quads in that time, and lost about $300. That's a
return of about 94 percent. During that stretch of 5 hours I saw no
one doing well on the other 3 machines.

Yeah, I know, I sound just like Rockofjello.

Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of

dollar VP at the Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay and
cashback) playing solely on their "advantage" machines. Some of this
loss was recorded playing their FPDW (100.7%). That's 95.7%. In
itself not compelling. But the thing is, I've never even SEEN a royal
flush at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in or out. All
I've ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic losing. Furthermore,
this joint takes advice from a certain not-so-noted VP author.

That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long time

since a casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem ludicrous
for the Wynn to try it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me how
they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up
and go try again.

John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill

---- jt417552@... wrote:
>
> I happened to to a site where a not so noted vp author has vid

clips on how

> to win. He said the newer machines in recent years can be set to

pay off in

> cycles. He must be legit, he was standing by a big rock out in

the desert when

> he made the vid.
>
> Arbor Day. Get a seat early.
> JT
>
> In a message dated 5/12/2006 10:10:35 A.M. Pacific Standard

Time,

> lodestone@... writes:
>
> I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but the behavior of this

slot department

> has always been bizarre, and we are the perfect victims: no

matter how much

> we lose, we keep coming back. It's a 102%, $80/hour play. How

can we stay

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <lodestone@...> wrote:

> away?
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
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#7

Thanks Bill!
Actually, I've been doing already what you've suggested. So, I try
not to play those 4 machines and play some other machines and so far
so good (winning!).

What would be nice to see/hear from someone like you in the future is
a topic that talks about IF anyone (in history) had reported
any "full pay machines" before to the Gaming Commission agents.

First, Steve Wynn ain't about to risk his license by putting in
gaffed machines (he'd be banned worldwide, not just LV).

Second, while I haven't been in for a while as far as I know the
existing bank is still where it always was.

Seriously, if you are really afraid of rigged machines you

shouldn't

be playing. You are much safer playing a full-pay machine in any
Nevada-style jurisdiction than you are investing in a mutual fund.
Even though regulation over the markets has been tightened and I

have

faith in the process it certainly isn't checked as tightly or
regularly as Nevada, New Jersey, Mississippi, all other riverboat
jurisdictions or even the vast majority of tribal casinos.

B

>Hi Bill,
>
>I'm just wondering if these remaining 4 machines are exactly the

smae

>ones where you hit the Royals!? (same serial numbers)
>
>As I recall, there were like at least a dozen of these machines

when

>Wynn casino was just opened and the story about them always points

to

>Rob Singer, who claimed that it was his idea for Wynn to put these
>machines on the floor. (Did RS ever play these full pay machines?

I

>don't know.) Reports told us that some or many people won $$$ on
>these machines.
>
>Then, the machines started disappearing and only 4 remained.
>(shoot....I didn't write down their serial numbers!?)
>Why leave these 4 honest full pay machines now? Can Wynn make

profit

>out of them?
>
>...just wondering...
>
>
>
> >
> > John, (substituting for Kevin)
> >
> > I only played them when they were first put in but I had 2

royals

> > playing 10/7. One on the bank that is no more, the other on the
>other
> > bank. I also saw someone else get one.
> >
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> > >Yeah, I know, I sound just like Rockofjello.
> > >
> > >Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of
> > >dollar VP at the Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay
>and
> > >cashback) playing solely on their "advantage" machines. Some of
>this
> > >loss was recorded playing their FPDW (100.7%). That's 95.7%. In
> > >itself not compelling. But the thing is, I've never even SEEN a
> > >royal flush at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in

or

> > >out. All I've ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic

losing.

> > >Furthermore, this joint takes advice from a certain not-so-

noted

>VP author.
> > >
> > >That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long

time

> > >since a casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem
>ludicrous
> > >for the Wynn to try it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell

me

>how
> > >they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll

shut up

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

At 03:08 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@> wrote:
> > At 01:14 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:
> > >and go try again.
> > >
> > >John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill
> >
> >
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> >
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#8

I have actually seen a Royal Flush on the one machine that is next to
the post. A guy sat down and hit a Royal after about 5 minutes playing
at the $1 level.

I have never hit a Royal on any of the 4 machines; my best hit is 4
Aces with a 2 kicker playing DDB. This is from playing 2 to 3 hours
there once per week. As I have mentioned before, I have never hit the
Bonus Bingo; and I have nevetr seen anyone playing the 4 machines hit
the Bonus Bingo.

On the other hand I have seen many hookers lurking near or at those
machines. Lately, they have gotten somewhat aggressive, essentially
interrupting play while offering their "massages" or availability for
a "date".

Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of

dollar VP at the Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay and
cashback) playing solely on their "advantage" machines. Some of this
loss was recorded playing their FPDW (100.7%). That's 95.7%. In itself
not compelling. But the thing is, I've never even SEEN a royal flush
at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in or out. All I've
ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic losing. Furthermore, this
joint takes advice from a certain not-so-noted VP author.

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <lodestone@...> wrote:

#9

I don't know if anyone has reported suspected machines but many
people don't know that Gaming makes random checks at casinos large
and small to make sure everything is on the up and up. It's probably
not more than a few machines on rare occasions but the fact that it
is done is sufficient for me.

B

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At 04:53 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:

Thanks Bill!
Actually, I've been doing already what you've suggested. So, I try
not to play those 4 machines and play some other machines and so far
so good (winning!).

What would be nice to see/hear from someone like you in the future is
a topic that talks about IF anyone (in history) had reported
any "full pay machines" before to the Gaming Commission agents.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>
> First, Steve Wynn ain't about to risk his license by putting in
> gaffed machines (he'd be banned worldwide, not just LV).
>
> Second, while I haven't been in for a while as far as I know the
> existing bank is still where it always was.
>
> Seriously, if you are really afraid of rigged machines you
shouldn't
> be playing. You are much safer playing a full-pay machine in any
> Nevada-style jurisdiction than you are investing in a mutual fund.
> Even though regulation over the markets has been tightened and I
have
> faith in the process it certainly isn't checked as tightly or
> regularly as Nevada, New Jersey, Mississippi, all other riverboat
> jurisdictions or even the vast majority of tribal casinos.
>
> B
>

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#10

need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me how they've carried satchels of
money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up and go try again.

John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill

Well I didn't carry out satchels of money, but last September we
visited Wynn and set about to get the 500 points then needed for 2
free buffets. Since that required $4,500 through, I didn't really
expect to get it in one trip. We are quarter players and probably
average $2,000 on a good day, but I started playing the 9/6/90 JOB
and was up about $15 when my husband got a low blood sugar (he's
diabetic) and we had to rush to the cafe for an early lunch. They
were very gracious, sat us quickly and brought him a huge glass of
fresh squeezed oj for which they never charged.

Before we got a machine at the Red 8 for the initial session, we
witnessed a woman waiting to be paid for her RF. I don't know what
game/denom she was playing, but it took about 15 minutes for her to
be paid. We went and played a little at the machines by the craps
tables (now gone) and lost badly. When we returned to the Red 8
machines after lunch, there was only 1 available (the one where the
woman had the RF earlier) so I played while my husband just sat at a
nearby slot machine. I was about even when I was dealt a royal
flush in spades! It was my first RF in quarters in Las Vegas and
the response was very quick.

We returned in February to collect 50 points on my husband's new
card for 2 buffets, but didn't do quite so well.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <lodestone@...> wrote:

#11

While we're on the subject of actually seeing rare occurrences, has
anyone actually seen a Gaming agent doing one of these random checks on
an EEPROM chip?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

I don't know if anyone has reported suspected machines but many
people don't know that Gaming makes random checks at casinos large
and small to make sure everything is on the up and up. It's probably
not more than a few machines on rare occasions but the fact that it
is done is sufficient for me.

#12

As I have mentioned before, I have never hit the
Bonus Bingo; and I have nevetr seen anyone playing the 4 machines hit
the Bonus Bingo.

Back in November I was in Vegas and went to the Wynn with a friend.
We played side by side on the bank with the 4 machines, and my friend
hit the bonus bingo. I also saw a lady sitting next to me hit the
bonus bingo on that bank. Just the small postage stamp one both times.

#13

Count me as a loser on these machines too. Not to defend his position but to
point out that Rob's original intention, if I understtod it correctly, was
exactly this. Full pay machines don't neccessarily mean "winners." Maybe he
has proved his point??

Scot

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
caseydog73
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:36 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Voyage of the Damned at the Wynn

I played on those machines outside the Red 8 on Tuesday, April 18,
from noon-5 p.m., exclusively 10-6 DDB at the quarter level. I think
I got 2 sets of quads in that time, and lost about $300. That's a
return of about 94 percent. During that stretch of 5 hours I saw no
one doing well on the other 3 machines.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <lodestone@...> wrote:

Yeah, I know, I sound just like Rockofjello.

Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of

dollar VP at the Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay and
cashback) playing solely on their "advantage" machines. Some of this
loss was recorded playing their FPDW (100.7%). That's 95.7%. In
itself not compelling. But the thing is, I've never even SEEN a royal
flush at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in or out. All
I've ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic losing. Furthermore,
this joint takes advice from a certain not-so-noted VP author.

That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long time

since a casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem ludicrous
for the Wynn to try it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me how
they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up
and go try again.

John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill

---- jt417552@... wrote:
>
> I happened to to a site where a not so noted vp author has vid

clips on how

> to win. He said the newer machines in recent years can be set to

pay off in

> cycles. He must be legit, he was standing by a big rock out in

the desert when

> he made the vid.
>
> Arbor Day. Get a seat early.
> JT
>
> In a message dated 5/12/2006 10:10:35 A.M. Pacific Standard

Time,

> lodestone@... writes:
>
> I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but the behavior of this

slot department

> has always been bizarre, and we are the perfect victims: no

matter how much

> we lose, we keep coming back. It's a 102%, $80/hour play. How

can we stay

> away?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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#14

My husband and I dropped in to Wynn on two separate occasions in April while staying at other casinos. We played for 2-3 hours both times. On the first visit I hit $ Deuces on a $200 investment. Most recently, I held three Heart honors and filled in a $ Royal. This on a $100 bill. Needless to say, I plan to keep 'dropping in' every time we visit LV to play those Red 8 machines. Sorry, John, but they seem like a cash cow to me :slight_smile:

As a side note, on the first visit, an enthuiastic young lady sat down next to me playing away without a clue. She said another lady in the casino told her that these 4 machines were the only machines to play so she was on top of it. She saw my Deuces and was further encouraged but ultimately lost her money and wandered away. This lady was staying at Wynn and simply picked up random info from another player. She knew nothing about VP but was encouraged to play the hot Red 8 machines anyway.

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Kelly <lodestone@cox.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Cc: jt417552@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:14:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Voyage of the Damned at the Wynn

  Yeah, I know, I sound just like Rockofjello.

Here's where I'm coming from:I've played about 60,000 hands of dollar VP at the
Wynn. I'm down $12,886 (not including freeplay and cashback) playing solely on
their "advantage" machines. Some of this loss was recorded playing their FPDW
(100.7%). That's 95.7%. In itself not compelling. But the thing is, I've never
even SEEN a royal flush at the place. Not even walked by one on my way in or
out. All I've ever seen at that bank is steady, pathetic losing. Furthermore,
this joint takes advice from a certain not-so-noted VP author.

That said, again, I'm not into conspiracies. It's been a long time since a
casino was caught rigging games, and it would seem ludicrous for the Wynn to try
it. I just need somebody, ANYBODY to tell me how they've carried satchels of
money out of the Wynn and I'll shut up and go try again.

John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill

---- jt417552@aol.com wrote:

I happened to to a site where a not so noted vp author has vid clips

on how

to win. He said the newer machines in recent years can be set to pay

off in

cycles. He must be legit, he was standing by a big rock out in the

desert when

he made the vid.

Arbor Day. Get a seat early.
JT

In a message dated 5/12/2006 10:10:35 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lodestone@cox.net writes:

I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but the behavior of this slot

department

has always been bizarre, and we are the perfect victims: no matter

how much

we lose, we keep coming back. It's a 102%, $80/hour play. How can we

stay

away?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

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#15

It's a good point but how would you know if you did see one? They
don't wear shirts with Gaming Enforcement in giant letters. You would
just see a couple of techs working in a machine, maybe someone in a
suit watching. How many times have you witnessed such a thing?

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At 08:30 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know if anyone has reported suspected machines but many
> people don't know that Gaming makes random checks at casinos large
> and small to make sure everything is on the up and up. It's probably
> not more than a few machines on rare occasions but the fact that it
> is done is sufficient for me.

While we're on the subject of actually seeing rare occurrences, has
anyone actually seen a Gaming agent doing one of these random checks on
an EEPROM chip?

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#16

Insufficient data to make any judgments IMO.

vpFae

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On 12 May 2006 at 22:57, Scot Krause wrote:

Count me as a loser on these machines too. Not to defend his position but to
point out that Rob's original intention, if I understtod it correctly, was
exactly this. Full pay machines don't neccessarily mean "winners." Maybe he
has proved his point??

#17

I said "maybe."

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On 12 May 2006 at 22:57, Scot Krause wrote:

Count me as a loser on these machines too. Not to defend his position but

to

point out that Rob's original intention, if I understtod it correctly, was
exactly this. Full pay machines don't neccessarily mean "winners." Maybe

he

has proved his point??

Insufficient data to make any judgments IMO.

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#18

> Count me as a loser on these machines too. Not to defend his

position but to

> point out that Rob's original intention, if I understtod it

correctly, was

> exactly this. Full pay machines don't neccessarily mean "winners."

Maybe he

> has proved his point??

Insufficient data to make any judgments IMO.

vpFae

I played the offending machines last night for a few hours and did
remarkably well. beginners luck i suppose.

timmer

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae6128305" <vpfae6128305@...> wrote:

On 12 May 2006 at 22:57, Scot Krause wrote:

#19

Bill's right ... you probably won't spot anything (too) out of the
ordinary.

I remember an incident at Ballys last year involving a machine near
me (remember those quarter 5P SAs Bill?). Suits and techs abruptly
appeared, took it out of service, examined the innnards, and said
little. When they finished up in @30 minutes, it was put back in
service ... with no changes. I asked one of the techs what was
going on but got no response.

Might have been a call from Gaming ...

It's a good point but how would you know if you did see one? They
don't wear shirts with Gaming Enforcement in giant letters. You

would

just see a couple of techs working in a machine, maybe someone in

a

suit watching. How many times have you witnessed such a thing?

> >
> > I don't know if anyone has reported suspected machines but many
> > people don't know that Gaming makes random checks at casinos

large

> > and small to make sure everything is on the up and up. It's

probably

> > not more than a few machines on rare occasions but the fact

that it

> > is done is sufficient for me.
>
>While we're on the subject of actually seeing rare occurrences,

has

>anyone actually seen a Gaming agent doing one of these random

checks on

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

At 08:30 PM 5/12/2006, you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@> wrote:
>an EEPROM chip?

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#20

I was at Wynn yesterday. The four 'special' machines were always full every
time I walked by. So, I never got to play them. Which is okay, because
I hit a Royal on a short-pay five-play machine and I ended up over $1,200
ahead at Wynn.

BTW, I got the two free buffets yesterday. It was my first experience with
the Wynn buffet. As far as I'm concerned, the Wynn buffet is no better than
Sunset Station or Silverton. I will never pay for the buffet at Wynn when I
can get the same quality for 1/3 the price elsewhere.

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On 5/12/06, John Kelly <lodestone@cox.net> wrote:

<SNIP>....I've never even SEEN a royal flush at the place. Not even walked
by one on my way in or out....<SNIP>....I just need somebody, ANYBODY to
tell me how they've carried satchels of money out of the Wynn and I'll shut
up and go try again.

John, who needs a pep talk and a prescription refill

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