Bill,
My father and I did quite well with .25 AAM back when it was
still full pay at Harrah's STL in 2002. The straight and royal
flushes came with reasonable frequency over our roughly two years of
playing there. Unfortunately it seems that many others were aware of
this opportunity and the new management at Harrah's took all the full
pay AAM's out when 2003 rolled around.
I'm still mystified as to why full-pay AAM is at KC Harrah's
(about 20 machines or so) while St. Louis took them all out. Can
anyone explain this phenomenon? This is especially striking since $1
full-pay AAM can still be easily played at Harrah's KC. The
President's AAM machines are too crowded so it's usually either
Boonville or KC's Harrah's or Isle of Capri for papa and I these days.
Also, I had much better luck (the lovelier face of variance) when AAM
was full-pay at Harrah's STL.
Have you checked out Jumer's in Rock Island, IL? They have
25-cent 10/7 DB with a penny cashback for every DOLLAR played! I
think you get DOUBLE cashback on Mondays and on some extra day if
you're a senior citizen like my dad. So, yes, on some days it's
really paying out 102.17% if you can nail your jackpot hands often
enough.
(to vpbill) AAM at Harrah's St. Louis
Unfortunately it seems that many others were aware of
this opportunity and the new management at Harrah's took all the
full
pay AAM's out when 2003 rolled around.
Harrahs STL pulled the last AA on 9/12/03. A friend of mine was
playing it when the suits literally kicked him off it. They made him
cash out and then shut the machine down. No, they wouldn't let him
finish out his session once they found this rogue AA machine. Typical
Harrahs.
The UnAmerican Gamemakes sit practically empty now. ~20 new machines
in a casino that has a warm body at almost every game in the place on
busy Friday/Saturday nights. What a beautiful thing 
I'm still mystified as to why full-pay AAM is at KC Harrah's
(about 20 machines or so) while St. Louis took them all out. Can
anyone explain this phenomenon?
Different slot director at KC.
The
President's AAM machines are too crowded
Since the President eliminatated multipoint days and installed 6 new
Gamemakers, it's never a problem getting a seat now.
I do very well on Bonus Deuces Wild at Harrah's in St. Louis, and on the progressive at Ameristar. There is also the same game at the Casino Queen. The reason is that five of a kind pays so well that it holds you until you can hit one of the higher jackpots.
I do not understand why this game is never discussed on this forum.
Am I missing something?
A while ago when I was just beginning, I posted something on this forum and some nice people wrote me back. Then Yahoo kicked me off (the nerve of them), and I could never get into my email to retrieve the people who did respond to me. Now hopefully I have a full proof email address. So if you email me back, I will respond.
Judy
···
Psychophysical <jimb777@warpdriveonline.com> wrote:
Bill,
My father and I did quite well with .25 AAM back when it was
still full pay at Harrah's STL in 2002. The straight and royal
flushes came with reasonable frequency over our roughly two years of
playing there. Unfortunately it seems that many others were aware of
this opportunity and the new management at Harrah's took all the full
pay AAM's out when 2003 rolled around.
I'm still mystified as to why full-pay AAM is at KC Harrah's
(about 20 machines or so) while St. Louis took them all out. Can
anyone explain this phenomenon? This is especially striking since $1
full-pay AAM can still be easily played at Harrah's KC. The
President's AAM machines are too crowded so it's usually either
Boonville or KC's Harrah's or Isle of Capri for papa and I these days.
Also, I had much better luck (the lovelier face of variance) when AAM
was full-pay at Harrah's STL.
Have you checked out Jumer's in Rock Island, IL? They have
25-cent 10/7 DB with a penny cashback for every DOLLAR played! I
think you get DOUBLE cashback on Mondays and on some extra day if
you're a senior citizen like my dad. So, yes, on some days it's
really paying out 102.17% if you can nail your jackpot hands often
enough.
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I am not aware of any playable Bonus Deuces at Harrahs. Could you
please post the paytable?
I know the $ Bonus 2's at Ameristar gets positive from time to time.
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
<judyfreiberg@s...> wrote:
I do very well on Bonus Deuces Wild at Harrah's in St. Louis, and
on the progressive at Ameristar. There is also the same game at the
Casino Queen. The reason is that five of a kind pays so well that it
holds you until you can hit one of the higher jackpots.
I do not understand why this game is never discussed on this forum.
Am I missing something?
A while ago when I was just beginning, I posted something on this
forum and some nice people wrote me back. Then Yahoo kicked me off
(the nerve of them), and I could never get into my email to retrieve
the people who did respond to me. Now hopefully I have a full proof
email address. So if you email me back, I will respond.
Judy
Psychophysical <jimb777@w...> wrote:
Bill,
My father and I did quite well with .25 AAM back when it was
still full pay at Harrah's STL in 2002. The straight and royal
flushes came with reasonable frequency over our roughly two years
of
playing there. Unfortunately it seems that many others were aware
of
this opportunity and the new management at Harrah's took all the
full
pay AAM's out when 2003 rolled around.
I'm still mystified as to why full-pay AAM is at KC Harrah's
(about 20 machines or so) while St. Louis took them all out. Can
anyone explain this phenomenon? This is especially striking since
$1
full-pay AAM can still be easily played at Harrah's KC. The
President's AAM machines are too crowded so it's usually either
Boonville or KC's Harrah's or Isle of Capri for papa and I these
days.
Also, I had much better luck (the lovelier face of variance) when
AAM
···
was full-pay at Harrah's STL.
Have you checked out Jumer's in Rock Island, IL? They have
25-cent 10/7 DB with a penny cashback for every DOLLAR played! I
think you get DOUBLE cashback on Mondays and on some extra day if
you're a senior citizen like my dad. So, yes, on some days it's
really paying out 102.17% if you can nail your jackpot hands often
enough.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
4000 rf
2000 four deuces and ace
1000 four deuces
400 five aces
200 five 3-5's
100 five 6- kings
60 straight flush
20 four of a kind
15 full house
5 straight
5 three of a kind
Judy
I am not aware of any playable Bonus Deuces at Harrahs. Could you
please post the paytable?
I know the $ Bonus 2's at Ameristar gets positive from time to time.
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
I do very well on Bonus Deuces Wild at Harrah's in St. Louis, and
on the progressive at Ameristar. There is also the same game at the
Casino Queen. The reason is that five of a kind pays so well that it
holds you until you can hit one of the higher jackpots.
I do not understand why this game is never discussed on this forum.
Am I missing something?
A while ago when I was just beginning, I posted something on this
forum and some nice people wrote me back. Then Yahoo kicked me off
(the nerve of them), and I could never get into my email to retrieve
the people who did respond to me. Now hopefully I have a full proof
email address. So if you email me back, I will respond.
Judy
Psychophysical wrote:
Bill,
My father and I did quite well with .25 AAM back when it was
still full pay at Harrah's STL in 2002. The straight and royal
flushes came with reasonable frequency over our roughly two years
of
playing there. Unfortunately it seems that many others were aware
of
this opportunity and the new management at Harrah's took all the
full
pay AAM's out when 2003 rolled around.
I'm still mystified as to why full-pay AAM is at KC Harrah's
(about 20 machines or so) while St. Louis took them all out. Can
anyone explain this phenomenon? This is especially striking since
$1
full-pay AAM can still be easily played at Harrah's KC. The
President's AAM machines are too crowded so it's usually either
Boonville or KC's Harrah's or Isle of Capri for papa and I these
days.
Also, I had much better luck (the lovelier face of variance) when
AAM
was full-pay at Harrah's STL.
Have you checked out Jumer's in Rock Island, IL? They have
25-cent 10/7 DB with a penny cashback for every DOLLAR played! I
think you get DOUBLE cashback on Mondays and on some extra day if
you're a senior citizen like my dad. So, yes, on some days it's
really paying out 102.17% if you can nail your jackpot hands often
enough.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
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Yahoo! Groups Links
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:
Judy,
Do you recall the payback for a dirty RF or a regular FL?
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
<judyfreiberg@s...> wrote:
4000 rf
2000 four deuces and ace
1000 four deuces
400 five aces
200 five 3-5's
100 five 6- kings
60 straight flush
20 four of a kind
15 full house
5 straight
5 three of a kind
Judyhockeystl <vegasstl@c...> wrote:
I am not aware of any playable Bonus Deuces at Harrahs. Could you
please post the paytable?I know the $ Bonus 2's at Ameristar gets positive from time to
time.
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
> I do very well on Bonus Deuces Wild at Harrah's in St. Louis, and
on the progressive at Ameristar. There is also the same game at the
Casino Queen. The reason is that five of a kind pays so well that
it
holds you until you can hit one of the higher jackpots.
> I do not understand why this game is never discussed on this
forum.
> Am I missing something?
> A while ago when I was just beginning, I posted something on this
forum and some nice people wrote me back. Then Yahoo kicked me off
(the nerve of them), and I could never get into my email to
retrieve
the people who did respond to me. Now hopefully I have a full proof
email address. So if you email me back, I will respond.
> Judy
>
> Psychophysical wrote:
>
> Bill,
> My father and I did quite well with .25 AAM back when it was
> still full pay at Harrah's STL in 2002. The straight and royal
> flushes came with reasonable frequency over our roughly two years
of
> playing there. Unfortunately it seems that many others were aware
of
> this opportunity and the new management at Harrah's took all the
full
> pay AAM's out when 2003 rolled around.
> I'm still mystified as to why full-pay AAM is at KC Harrah's
> (about 20 machines or so) while St. Louis took them all out. Can
> anyone explain this phenomenon? This is especially striking since
$1
> full-pay AAM can still be easily played at Harrah's KC. The
> President's AAM machines are too crowded so it's usually either
> Boonville or KC's Harrah's or Isle of Capri for papa and I these
days.
> Also, I had much better luck (the lovelier face of variance) when
AAM
> was full-pay at Harrah's STL.
> Have you checked out Jumer's in Rock Island, IL? They have
> 25-cent 10/7 DB with a penny cashback for every DOLLAR played! I
> think you get DOUBLE cashback on Mondays and on some extra day if
> you're a senior citizen like my dad. So, yes, on some days it's
> really paying out 102.17% if you can nail your jackpot hands
often
···
> enough.
>
>
>
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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125 rf with deuces
10 flush
Judy,
Do you recall the payback for a dirty RF or a regular FL?
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
4000 rf
2000 four deuces and ace
1000 four deuces
400 five aces
200 five 3-5's
100 five 6- kings
60 straight flush
20 four of a kind
15 full house
5 straight
5 three of a kind
Judyhockeystl wrote:
I am not aware of any playable Bonus Deuces at Harrahs. Could you
please post the paytable?I know the $ Bonus 2's at Ameristar gets positive from time to
time.
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
> I do very well on Bonus Deuces Wild at Harrah's in St. Louis, and
on the progressive at Ameristar. There is also the same game at the
Casino Queen. The reason is that five of a kind pays so well that
it
holds you until you can hit one of the higher jackpots.
> I do not understand why this game is never discussed on this
forum.
> Am I missing something?
> A while ago when I was just beginning, I posted something on this
forum and some nice people wrote me back. Then Yahoo kicked me off
(the nerve of them), and I could never get into my email to
retrieve
the people who did respond to me. Now hopefully I have a full proof
email address. So if you email me back, I will respond.
> Judy
>
> Psychophysical wrote:
>
> Bill,
> My father and I did quite well with .25 AAM back when it was
> still full pay at Harrah's STL in 2002. The straight and royal
> flushes came with reasonable frequency over our roughly two years
of
> playing there. Unfortunately it seems that many others were aware
of
> this opportunity and the new management at Harrah's took all the
full
> pay AAM's out when 2003 rolled around.
> I'm still mystified as to why full-pay AAM is at KC Harrah's
> (about 20 machines or so) while St. Louis took them all out. Can
> anyone explain this phenomenon? This is especially striking since
$1
> full-pay AAM can still be easily played at Harrah's KC. The
> President's AAM machines are too crowded so it's usually either
> Boonville or KC's Harrah's or Isle of Capri for papa and I these
days.
> Also, I had much better luck (the lovelier face of variance) when
AAM
> was full-pay at Harrah's STL.
> Have you checked out Jumer's in Rock Island, IL? They have
> 25-cent 10/7 DB with a penny cashback for every DOLLAR played! I
> think you get DOUBLE cashback on Mondays and on some extra day if
> you're a senior citizen like my dad. So, yes, on some days it's
> really paying out 102.17% if you can nail your jackpot hands
often
> enough.
>
>
>
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Yahoo! Groups Links
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···
hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:
Hi Judy:
I am sure I just beat hockeystl to the punch, but this is a horrible
game if the numbers you gave are correct. the expected return is only
96.2%, I believe Ameristar has this game with a 98.8% ER at quarters
and even some progressive's at the top end to make it better. I dont
play $0.25 so I cant be sure, but I do play this at the $1 level at
Ameristar quite a bit when the progressives get decent, the base game
is: STRFL 65, 4kind 20, FH 15, FL 15. You might want to check out
Ameristar at the qrtr level if you like this game, Harrahs is trying
to take advantage of you for sure. Also for the qrtr player Ameristar
has 3 loose dueces machines with a 99.2% return (not great, but better
than some) the game has a high volitility, but if you cant get better
than 99.2 and you are playing something else you may consider it.
After reading this msg, I think I sound like a ad for Ameristar, but I
really think they need to work on there games quite a bit, like I have
been talking to them about. I am just trying to help everyone at any
level of play. I am truely frustrated at the quality of games
available in STL for the $1 player and hope things improve. Maybe the
2 new casinos that are going to open in the next few years will help.
I hope I dont have to totally quit playing, or start schedualling
trips to KC on a regular basis.
Jim & Kelli
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
<judyfreiberg@s...> wrote:
···
125 rf with deuces
10 flushhockeystl <vegasstl@c...> wrote:
Judy,
Do you recall the payback for a dirty RF or a regular FL?--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
> 4000 rf
> 2000 four deuces and ace
> 1000 four deuces
> 400 five aces
> 200 five 3-5's
> 100 five 6- kings
> 60 straight flush
> 20 four of a kind
> 15 full house
> 5 straight
> 5 three of a kind
> Judy
>
> hockeystl wrote:
> I am not aware of any playable Bonus Deuces at Harrahs. Could you
> please post the paytable?
>
> I know the $ Bonus 2's at Ameristar gets positive from time to
time.
>
> --- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
> wrote:
> > I do very well on Bonus Deuces Wild at Harrah's in St. Louis, and
> on the progressive at Ameristar. There is also the same game at the
> Casino Queen. The reason is that five of a kind pays so well that
it
> holds you until you can hit one of the higher jackpots.
> > I do not understand why this game is never discussed on this
forum.
> > Am I missing something?
> > A while ago when I was just beginning, I posted something on this
> forum and some nice people wrote me back. Then Yahoo kicked me off
> (the nerve of them), and I could never get into my email to
retrieve
> the people who did respond to me. Now hopefully I have a full proof
> email address. So if you email me back, I will respond.
> > Judy
is there a casino anywhere in the usa that has this game at what people call "full pay"??
jimnkelli <jbecker11@charter.net> wrote:Hi Judy:
I am sure I just beat hockeystl to the punch, but this is a horrible
game if the numbers you gave are correct. the expected return is only
96.2%, I believe Ameristar has this game with a 98.8% ER at quarters
and even some progressive's at the top end to make it better. I dont
play $0.25 so I cant be sure, but I do play this at the $1 level at
Ameristar quite a bit when the progressives get decent, the base game
is: STRFL 65, 4kind 20, FH 15, FL 15. You might want to check out
Ameristar at the qrtr level if you like this game, Harrahs is trying
to take advantage of you for sure. Also for the qrtr player Ameristar
has 3 loose dueces machines with a 99.2% return (not great, but better
than some) the game has a high volitility, but if you cant get better
than 99.2 and you are playing something else you may consider it.
After reading this msg, I think I sound like a ad for Ameristar, but I
really think they need to work on there games quite a bit, like I have
been talking to them about. I am just trying to help everyone at any
level of play. I am truely frustrated at the quality of games
available in STL for the $1 player and hope things improve. Maybe the
2 new casinos that are going to open in the next few years will help.
I hope I dont have to totally quit playing, or start schedualling
trips to KC on a regular basis.
Jim & Kelli
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
125 rf with deuces
10 flushhockeystl wrote:
Judy,
Do you recall the payback for a dirty RF or a regular FL?--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
> 4000 rf
> 2000 four deuces and ace
> 1000 four deuces
> 400 five aces
> 200 five 3-5's
> 100 five 6- kings
> 60 straight flush
> 20 four of a kind
> 15 full house
> 5 straight
> 5 three of a kind
> Judy
>
> hockeystl wrote:
> I am not aware of any playable Bonus Deuces at Harrahs. Could you
> please post the paytable?
>
> I know the $ Bonus 2's at Ameristar gets positive from time to
time.
>
> --- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
> wrote:
> > I do very well on Bonus Deuces Wild at Harrah's in St. Louis, and
> on the progressive at Ameristar. There is also the same game at the
> Casino Queen. The reason is that five of a kind pays so well that
it
> holds you until you can hit one of the higher jackpots.
> > I do not understand why this game is never discussed on this
forum.
> > Am I missing something?
> > A while ago when I was just beginning, I posted something on this
> forum and some nice people wrote me back. Then Yahoo kicked me off
> (the nerve of them), and I could never get into my email to
retrieve
> the people who did respond to me. Now hopefully I have a full proof
> email address. So if you email me back, I will respond.
> > Judy
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Until about 6 months ago, Ameristar had the full pay version of this
game at the $1 level, and it was even advertised on the glass of the
machines. All were slanttops.
You can still see these machines on the floor. Back towards the high
limit room on the first level. You'll see a black strip on the glass
where they were forced to black out the term "Returns over 100%
payback with optimium play." Someone must have called MO Gaming and
reported Ameristar's false advertising after they lowered the
paytable.
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
<judyfreiberg@s...> wrote:
is there a casino anywhere in the usa that has this game at what
people call "full pay"??
···
What is the return on these now?
Until about 6 months ago, Ameristar had the full pay version of this
game at the $1 level, and it was even advertised on the glass of the
machines. All were slanttops.
You can still see these machines on the floor. Back towards the high
limit room on the first level. You'll see a black strip on the glass
where they were forced to black out the term "Returns over 100%
payback with optimium play." Someone must have called MO Gaming and
reported Ameristar's false advertising after they lowered the
paytable.
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
is there a casino anywhere in the usa that has this game at what
people call "full pay"??
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···
hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:
Less than 99%, which makes them worthless IMO.
--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
<judyfreiberg@s...> wrote:
What is the return on these now?
hockeystl <vegasstl@c...> wrote:
Until about 6 months ago, Ameristar had the full pay version of
this
game at the $1 level, and it was even advertised on the glass of
the
machines. All were slanttops.
You can still see these machines on the floor. Back towards the
high
limit room on the first level. You'll see a black strip on the
glass
···
where they were forced to black out the term "Returns over 100%
payback with optimium play." Someone must have called MO Gaming and
reported Ameristar's false advertising after they lowered the
paytable.--- In vpFREE_StLouis@yahoogroups.com, Judy Freiberg
wrote:
> is there a casino anywhere in the usa that has this game at what
people call "full pay"??
>vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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