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Their getting viscious in Reno

I just received some information on goings on in Reno. I don't have
full details yet but apparently Atlantis and Peppermill have been
getting viscious with local pros.

It has something to do with free play promotions. Apparently, both
properties are 86ing local pros with a vengeance.

And it appears they are flyering each other too. Get 86ed from one,
walk in the door of the other and get 86ed. I've known people to get
their cards pulled but this is the first I've ever heard of mass 86ing.

I don't think out-of-towners have to worry. It's probably just a local
thing.

Are the local pros that much of a threat to their bottom line? Hard to believe.
   
  ...toga

mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:
          I just received some information on goings on in Reno. I don't have
full details yet but apparently Atlantis and Peppermill have been
getting viscious with local pros.

It has something to do with free play promotions. Apparently, both
properties are 86ing local pros with a vengeance.

And it appears they are flyering each other too. Get 86ed from one,
walk in the door of the other and get 86ed. I've known people to get
their cards pulled but this is the first I've ever heard of mass 86ing.

I don't think out-of-towners have to worry. It's probably just a local
thing.

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As a former Reno local who is now in Las Vegas, I can tell you that
the advantage plays in Reno can be *very* juicy... much better than
Las Vegas. So an advantage player with a good enough bankroll can be
a significant exposure to a casino like Peppermill and Atlantis. (How
do you think I got my screen name?!) :slight_smile:

Are the local pros that much of a threat to their bottom line? Hard

to believe.

   
  ...toga

According to a friend who gave me a brief report the Atlantis play was
a $100+ an hour play. He didn't have time to tell me what they were
doing at the Pepp. Both properties have been hammered numerous times
in the past. But managements modus operandi was to just pull the
play. Sometimes if a pro took to much advantae they would pull his
card. But mass 86ing begins a new era in Reno.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Toga Royal <togaroyal@...> wrote:

Sometimes there is more to it than just the bottom line. I sure don't
like seeing these guys getting kicked out, but some of them are their
own worst enemies. They take over plays, and prevent tourist or some of
their core players from getting on. I have seen other potential players
complain about these groups, and management stands around looking at
these guys monopolizing machines. It is quite obvious they know what
there are doing. I have seen them bring in pizza boxes so they won't
have to give up a machine. One time I was able to get on a juicy play,
and the guy next to me kept blowing smoke in my face on purpose to get
me to leave. I did leave, and his buddy was just waiting for that to
happen. I don't complain about this type of behavior, but I know others
do. The usual way to handle this is to shut down a great play. It looks
like they are trying a different tactic. Why would management want
them in their casino?

Are the local pros that much of a threat to their bottom line? Hard

to believe.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Toga Royal <togaroyal@...> wrote:

   
  ...toga

Sometimes there is more to it than just the bottom line. I sure

don't

like seeing these guys getting kicked out, but some of them are

their

own worst enemies. They take over plays, and prevent tourist or

some of

their core players from getting on. I have seen other potential

players

complain about these groups, and management stands around looking

at

these guys monopolizing machines. It is quite obvious they know

what

there are doing. I have seen them bring in pizza boxes so they

won't

have to give up a machine. One time I was able to get on a juicy

play,

and the guy next to me kept blowing smoke in my face on purpose to

get

me to leave. I did leave, and his buddy was just waiting for that

to

happen. I don't complain about this type of behavior, but I know

others

do. The usual way to handle this is to shut down a great play. It

looks

like they are trying a different tactic. Why would management want
them in their casino?

I was thinking about what would cause the massacre while waiting for
my pot roast dinner at Perkins. I think I'm beginning to see the
picture. I haven't been to Reno in awhile, but. Knowing some of
those involved and how strong they are and speculating about the
promotion involved I'm gonna take a wild guess as to what the
scenario was.

Let's say you are a long time Reno resident and a sharp gambler.
Brand X Casino makes a mass mailing to local slot club members. And
let's say they are offering $300 in freeplay for $15,000 coin-in.

You just happen to know that they have a 100% game with extremely low
variance. You can run the action in a few hours. How would you
handle the play? Just go in and run the action, right? Then pick up
the freeplay, right?

But what about your wife? She got the offer too. But she doesn't
know how to play the game. So you play it off for her. She picks up
the freeplay.

But what about your sister? She got the offer too. But she doesn't
know how to play the game either. So you play it off for her and she
picks up the freeplay. Of course you are getting your cut.

And what about your brother? And your mother? And your father? And
your mother-in-law? And your father-in-law? And your sister-in-
law? And your brother-in-law? And all your friends too numerous to
mention?

I would say it's the most likely reason for all the sour grapes on
South Virginia.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hamstockman" <AB6PQ@...> wrote:

Its not just a local's thing. Both Pepper and ATL welcome AP's with open arms as long as they are "LOSING" AP's. Once the double whammy of winning and AP is placed on you , you are Persona non-grata! I have stopped receiving all offers from the Pepper ( beat them too much, too consistent over last 3 years ) , but still very welcome at Atlantis ( where slightly below even ). I personally know a big time non local ATL AP who was told by the slot director "Your too good for us, your welcome to play, but raw machine play only - no benefits will accrue".

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----- Original Message ----- From: "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [vpFREE] Their getting viscious in Reno

I just received some information on goings on in Reno. I don't have
full details yet but apparently Atlantis and Peppermill have been
getting viscious with local pros.

It has something to do with free play promotions. Apparently, both
properties are 86ing local pros with a vengeance.

And it appears they are flyering each other too. Get 86ed from one,
walk in the door of the other and get 86ed. I've known people to get
their cards pulled but this is the first I've ever heard of mass 86ing.

I don't think out-of-towners have to worry. It's probably just a local
thing.

And what about your brother? And your mother? And your father? And
your mother-in-law? And your father-in-law? And your sister-in-
law? And your brother-in-law? And all your friends too numerous to
mention?

Reminds me of a situation that occurred at the Westin Casuarina a few years
ago. New slot club sign ups were getting $60 free play for $30. A certain
segment of the local AP crowd here was actually bringing in carloads of
homeless people that they would pick up down on Foremaster Lane, and sign
them up. Quite a spectacle to see. Amazing the lengths that some will go to
for a buck.
                                               Nudge

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From: "mickeycrimm" Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Their getting viscious in Reno

We will be at Harrah's Reno soon. Who is a good host there as we have never stayed there before? Where are the good places to gamble...eat...shows? Thanks:)

mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote: I just received some information on goings on in Reno. I don't have
full details yet but apparently Atlantis and Peppermill have been
getting viscious with local pros.

It has something to do with free play promotions. Apparently, both
properties are 86ing local pros with a vengeance.

And it appears they are flyering each other too. Get 86ed from one,
walk in the door of the other and get 86ed. I've known people to get
their cards pulled but this is the first I've ever heard of mass 86ing.

I don't think out-of-towners have to worry. It's probably just a local
thing.

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Nudge,

You may be thinking of the very brief period in which the Casuarina was allowing players
to buy up to $600 in free play for $300. They'd been doing the $60 for $30 for quite
some time, and then the owner decided that $200 for $100, $400 for $200, and $600 for
$300 would really bring the people in - and it did! I waited in line for TWO hours to take
advantage on what ended up being the last night they offered it, and when I cashed out my
ticket, the cage had no $100s or $50s left and I got a combination of lower denom bills,
including lots of $5s because they were concerned that they were going to run out of
$20s, too. Even the employees were calling family members and having them come in! I
actually won a bit that night, so including drive time, I made $300 an hour that night.

Bettie

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:

Reminds me of a situation that occurred at the Westin Casuarina a few years
ago. New slot club sign ups were getting $60 free play for $30. A certain
segment of the local AP crowd here was actually bringing in carloads of
homeless people that they would pick up down on Foremaster Lane, and sign
them up. Quite a spectacle to see. Amazing the lengths that some will go to
for a buck.
                                               Nudge

You may be thinking of the very brief period in which the Casuarina was

allowing players

to buy up to $600 in free play for $300.

Bettie, Now that you mention the figures, you are probably right. Hell, this
is Thursday and I don't remember Tuesday all that well.
                                                     Nudge

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From: "bettiepaige21" <bettie@rge21.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: They're getting vicious in Reno

You may be thinking of the very brief period in which the Casuarina

was allowing players

to buy up to $600 in free play for $300. They'd been doing the $60

for $30 for quite

some time, and then the owner decided that $200 for $100, $400 for

$200, and $600 for

$300 would really bring the people in - and it did! I waited in

line for TWO hours to take

advantage on what ended up being the last night they offered it,

and when I cashed out my

ticket, the cage had no $100s or $50s left and I got a combination

of lower denom bills,

including lots of $5s because they were concerned that they were

going to run out of

$20s, too. Even the employees were calling family members and

having them come in! I

actually won a bit that night, so including drive time, I made $300

an hour that night.

Bettie

I can see it now! The pros, not wanting to take the time to teach
the down-and-outers how to play, probably had a bank of very fast
pros running off the action.

This is all a take-off on the "cash your paycheck here and receive a
coupon for a 125 coin bonus on your next four-of-a-kind" promotion
that got burned up several years ago. It's "The Big Player" video
poker style. Actually, it should probably be called "The Big
Bankroll."

The Pioneer in Laughlin had a deal like this several years ago. I
had a friend, a well bankrolled pro and former Laughlin poker dealer
who knew lots of people in town, trying to put this play down. It
works like this: You have a friend who is a working stiff and gets
paychecks. Working stiffs don't have the money to play $5 denom
video poker. So you bankroll him/her to play higher denom until
he/she hits a four-of-a-kind. Of course, you have to offer him/her
something to get them to put the play down.

I was having a conversation with this buddy of mine one day and he
was lamenting the fact that he wasn't getting many takers on the
Pioneer promotion.

"What are you offering them?" I asked.
"$50, they get the CB(.16%) and the comp(.33%). And the action is
bound to get them some good mail."
"Why don't you offer them half the royal?" I suggested.
"Half the royal?!!! Are you crazy?"
"You won't be giving up that much. About 1%. The money is in the
quads. You're going to hit about a 100 quads for every royal. Look
at it from their perspective. They know you're gonna make money or
you wouldn't be offering. And all they get is $50 or about a half a
percent. Plus their taking the chance on getting paperwork without
reward. Hang that half a royal out there like hanging a carrot out
in front of a donkey and see what happens. It's a 5.5% play on 9/6,
so you still got 4% the best of it."
"Yeah, maybe that's it."

My friend knew everyone in the Belle and Edgewater. All the poker
dealers, cocktail waitress, slot attendants, etc. I saw him in the
Pioneer with lots of takers after that. But I left him alone.

Several weeks later I was walking by the Pioneer cage and saw a
cashier crank her head towards the backroom and shout "Got another
paycheck from the Belle!!"

Sometime after that, one morning in my room having just woken up, I
flipped the TV on. There was a morning talk show out of Bullhead
City that I watched occasionally. The anchor was interviewing the
Casino Manager from the Pioneer. The anchor brought up the "cash
your paycheck" promotion.

"We've disqualified the $5 machines from the promotion." the casino
manager said.
"Disqualified? Why?"
"Well, sometimes when you put on a promotion you get beat!" said the
casino manager.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bettiepaige21" <bettie@...> wrote:

You may be thinking of the very brief period in which the Casuarina

was allowing players

to buy up to $600 in free play for $300. They'd been doing the $60

for $30 for quite

some time, and then the owner decided that $200 for $100, $400 for

$200, and $600 for

$300 would really bring the people in - and it did! I waited in

line for TWO hours to take

advantage on what ended up being the last night they offered it,

and when I cashed out my

ticket, the cage had no $100s or $50s left and I got a combination

of lower denom bills,

including lots of $5s because they were concerned that they were

going to run out of

$20s, too. Even the employees were calling family members and

having them come in! I

actually won a bit that night, so including drive time, I made $300

an hour that night.

Bettie

I can see it now! The pros, not wanting to take the time to teach
the down-and-outers how to play, probably had a bank of very fast
pros running off the action.

This is all a take-off on the "cash your paycheck here and receive a
coupon for a 125 coin bonus on your next four-of-a-kind" promotion
that got burned up several years ago. It's "The Big Player" video
poker style. Actually, it should probably be called "The Big
Bankroll."

The Pioneer in Laughlin had a deal like this several years ago. I
had a friend, a well bankrolled pro and former Laughlin poker dealer
who knew lots of people in town, trying to put this play down. It
works like this: You have a friend who is a working stiff and gets
paychecks. Working stiffs don't have the money to play $5 denom
video poker. So you bankroll him/her to play higher denom until
he/she hits a four-of-a-kind. Of course, you have to offer him/her
something to get them to put the play down.

I was having a conversation with this buddy of mine one day and he
was lamenting the fact that he wasn't getting many takers on the
Pioneer promotion.

"What are you offering them?" I asked.
"$50, they get the CB(.16%) and the comp(.33%). And the action is
bound to get them some good mail."
"Why don't you offer them half the royal?" I suggested.
"Half the royal?!!! Are you crazy?"
"You won't be giving up that much. About 1%. The money is in the
quads. You're going to hit about a 100 quads for every royal. Look
at it from their perspective. They know you're gonna make money or
you wouldn't be offering. And all they get is $50 or about a half a
percent. Plus their taking the chance on getting paperwork without
reward. Hang that half a royal out there like hanging a carrot out
in front of a donkey and see what happens. It's a 5.5% play on 9/6,
so you still got 4% the best of it."
"Yeah, maybe that's it."

My friend knew everyone in the Belle and Edgewater. All the poker
dealers, cocktail waitress, slot attendants, etc. I saw him in the
Pioneer with lots of takers after that. But I left him alone.

Several weeks later I was walking by the Pioneer cage and saw a
cashier crank her head towards the backroom and shout "Got another
paycheck from the Belle!!"

Sometime after that, one morning in my room having just woken up, I
flipped the TV on. There was a morning talk show out of Bullhead
City that I watched occasionally. The anchor was interviewing the
Casino Manager from the Pioneer. The anchor brought up the "cash
your paycheck" promotion.

"We've disqualified the $5 machines from the promotion." the casino
manager said.
"Disqualified? Why?"
"Well, sometimes when you put on a promotion you get beat!" said the
casino manager.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bettiepaige21" <bettie@...> wrote:

I just received some information on goings on in Reno. I don't have
full details yet but apparently Atlantis and Peppermill have been
getting viscious with local pros.

It has something to do with free play promotions. Apparently, both
properties are 86ing local pros with a vengeance.

And it appears they are flyering each other too. Get 86ed from one,
walk in the door of the other and get 86ed. I've known people to get
their cards pulled but this is the first I've ever heard of mass

86ing.

I don't think out-of-towners have to worry. It's probably just a

local

thing.

What do you expect when people are running multiple cards and picking
up freeplay for the entire civilizations of the Phillipines, Vietnam
and Thailand.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

Don't forget China, either. That's a slightly larger pool to deal with.

In Vegas when you run 6 people every 8 hours for 2 days through on
your card playing VBJ, it's called "winning a points challenge". I had
a different word for it, but I guess I'm in error.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:

What do you expect when people are running multiple cards and picking
up freeplay for the entire civilizations of the Phillipines, Vietnam
and Thailand.

Do I sense some sort of prejudices against the Asian population? Tell me I'm wrong.

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paladingamingllc <paladingamingllc@yahoo.com> wrote:
          --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VpKing77" <vpking77@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:

What do you expect when people are running multiple cards and picking
up freeplay for the entire civilizations of the Phillipines, Vietnam
and Thailand.

Don't forget China, either. That's a slightly larger pool to deal with.

In Vegas when you run 6 people every 8 hours for 2 days through on
your card playing VBJ, it's called "winning a points challenge". I had
a different word for it, but I guess I'm in error.

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Tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

Glad to help, especially in these PC-paranoid days, where someone can
get fired from a job they've held for twelve years by referring to an
18-year-old black track athlete as a "boy".

By the way, the title of this thread could be read as "they're getting
sticky and gooey in Reno"---maybe they are?!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Toga Royal <togaroyal@...> wrote:

Do I sense some sort of prejudices against the Asian population?

Do I sense some sort of prejudices against the Asian population?

Tell me I'm wrong.

Actually, it's more jealousy. I'd love to get some of the deals Asian
players get, because they're Asian, or for that matter, be able to run
cards through for every living and dead member of my family, including
pets.

Why would you think this?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Toga Royal <togaroyal@...> wrote:

I doubt seriously the casinos care whether you are an Asian player, Russian player, Italian player, Canadian player, Mexican player, African-American player ( well, you get the point ). All the casinos care about is the amount of your wagers and the length of time spent making those wagers. It's that simple. Of course, the more you lose, the more the casinos will love you. If you meet these few basic requirements, then all sorts of "nice offers" should come your way; and not because you are of a particular ethnicity.

Do I sense some sort of prejudices against the Asian population?

Tell me I'm wrong.

Actually, it's more jealousy. I'd love to get some of the deals Asian
players get, because they're Asian, or for that matter, be able to run
cards through for every living and dead member of my family, including
pets.

Why would you think this?

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Russian player, Italian player, Canadian player, Mexican player,
African-American player ( well, you get the point ). All the casinos
care about is the amount of your wagers and the length of time spent
making those wagers. It's that simple. Of course, the more you lose,
the more the casinos will love you. If you meet these few basic
requirements, then all sorts of "nice offers" should come your way;
and not because you are of a particular ethnicity.

You doubt wrong. Or should I say, "incorrectly"?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Toga Royal <togaroyal@...> wrote:

I doubt seriously the casinos care whether you are an Asian player,