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I'm taking this over here because I don't think people know how to
handle it "over there", or it might not be allowed on vpfree.

Dick says: (Don't get too excited. If past events mean anything RS will
either back out or try to change the bet along the way.)

I don't think that's the case. If I remember, back a little you and he
were betting/arguing about who has more money in cash? or something
silly like that. That was Internet forum fodder. This time there's
several reputable organizations involved, it's in a publication, and
money has changed hands. RS has also offered up to do things none of
the others who claim to win would ever do, and there's more of them
than there is of him. I'd like to see you, who claims to have more
money than him and believes he's a liar and a fraud just as the radio
jock does, to walk the walk and back up the radio guy since he probably
doesn't have the cash. Jean Scott also chimed in about the Westin.
Perhaps she, with her non-stop yearly winning streaks, can spare a
frugal sum to go along with yours to total the amount that Singer's
challenge entails.

First of all, I have no idea what the "bet" is. I hope this radio
jockey understands that the RS method does increase the odds of
winning in a single session. It just doesn't change your long term
expectation as I've said MANY times.

Second, get your facts straight. I never claimed to have MORE money
than anyone. I simply claimed to have more than a specific AMOUNT of
money.

Next, anyone who claims mathematically PROVEN valid techniques are
invalid and that a modified progressive system can somehow overcome
negative games IS a fraud.

Finally, just how are you and RS related? If you can't answer this
qustion honestly then don't bother replying at all.

Dick

I'm taking this over here because I don't think people know how to
handle it "over there", or it might not be allowed on vpfree.

Dick says: (Don't get too excited. If past events mean anything RS

will

either back out or try to change the bet along the way.)

I don't think that's the case. If I remember, back a little you

and he

were betting/arguing about who has more money in cash? or something
silly like that. That was Internet forum fodder. This time

there's

several reputable organizations involved, it's in a publication,

and

money has changed hands. RS has also offered up to do things none

of

the others who claim to win would ever do, and there's more of them
than there is of him. I'd like to see you, who claims to have more
money than him and believes he's a liar and a fraud just as the

radio

jock does, to walk the walk and back up the radio guy since he

probably

doesn't have the cash. Jean Scott also chimed in about the

Westin.

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Perhaps she, with her non-stop yearly winning streaks, can spare a
frugal sum to go along with yours to total the amount that Singer's
challenge entails.

A) Maybe you should read the article as identified before posting something negative next time. It's more of a challenge than a bet, of RS's past 8 years performance as his website depicts. The radio jock is like you, saying he couldn't have net something like $640000.

B) OK, I wasn't sure what your and his claims were during the silly bet. You did say that you had and were willing to risk somewhere around this $740000, correct? The point is that if you're so sure of yourself that he's a liar and a fraud (I just looked that up and you did say that numerous times) now's the time to back those words up all the way to the bank. Instead of doing what the others do and continually announce that he's not real, give him the chance to fall on his face. Otherwise, that radio jock isn't the only one he's going to make a fool of.

C) I know, EVERYBODY who agrees with, has something supportive to say about, or who understands his logic is him.

First of all, I have no idea what the "bet" is. I hope this radio
jockey understands that the RS method does increase the odds of
winning in a single session. It just doesn't change your long term
expectation as I've said MANY times.

Second, get your facts straight. I never claimed to have MORE money
than anyone. I simply claimed to have more than a specific AMOUNT of
money.

Next, anyone who claims mathematically PROVEN valid techniques are
invalid and that a modified progressive system can somehow overcome
negative games IS a fraud.

Finally, just how are you and RS related? If you can't answer this
qustion honestly then don't bother replying at all.

Dick

I'm taking this over here because I don't think people know how to
handle it "over there", or it might not be allowed on vpfree.

Dick says: (Don't get too excited. If past events mean anything RS

will

either back out or try to change the bet along the way.)

I don't think that's the case. If I remember, back a little you

and he

were betting/arguing about who has more money in cash? or something
silly like that. That was Internet forum fodder. This time

there's

several reputable organizations involved, it's in a publication,

and

money has changed hands. RS has also offered up to do things none

of

the others who claim to win would ever do, and there's more of them
than there is of him. I'd like to see you, who claims to have more
money than him and believes he's a liar and a fraud just as the

radio

jock does, to walk the walk and back up the radio guy since he

probably

doesn't have the cash. Jean Scott also chimed in about the

Westin.

Perhaps she, with her non-stop yearly winning streaks, can spare a
frugal sum to go along with yours to total the amount that Singer's
challenge entails.

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A) Maybe you should read the article as identified before posting

something negative next time.

Why? Anything that has to with RS is, by definition, a joke.

It's more of a challenge than a bet, of RS's past 8 years

performance as his website depicts. The radio jock is like you,
saying he couldn't have net something like $640000.

Maybe you should learn to read a little better. I've never said
anything like that. I understand that anyone can be lucky. However,
anyone who falls for a system because the system was successful for a
few people is, quite simply, a sucker. Some basic reading on
statistics would do you wonders.

B) OK, I wasn't sure what your and his claims were during the

silly bet. You did say that you had and were willing to risk
somewhere around this $740000, correct?

No. There was never a risk because all I stated is that I had a
certain amount of assets. Since, I have more than what was questioned
there certainly was never ANY risk on my part. RS made a ridiculous
statement and I simply called him on it until he backed down.

The point is that if you're so sure of yourself that he's a liar

and a fraud (I just looked that up and you did say that numerous
times) now's the time to back those words up all the way to the bank.

I proved several times over that RS is indeed a liar and a fraud. Why
would I need to do it in this case when it nothing to do with the
validity of his system? Which, if you took the time to read my posts,
was the whole point.

Instead of doing what the others do and continually announce that

he's not real, give him the chance to fall on his face. Otherwise,
that radio jock isn't the only one he's going to make a fool of.

I've made a fool out of RS more than enough times. He's so completely
illiterate it just took him a long time before he finally figured it
out.

C) I know, EVERYBODY who agrees with, has something supportive to

say about, or who understands his logic is him.

"understands [RS] logic" .... talk about an oxymoron!

Two possibilities exist for anyone who supports RS. Either you're a
sucker or you're him. Not very sound credentials in either case.

Dick

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Aces High <aces_hii@y...> wrote:

Your tirade made you miss the entire point of what I said. Who cares how his system of play affects others at this point in time? That's not the issue. Take a closer look, read it this time, and don't get so ruffled over it.

I never saw any proof that RS is a liar OR a fraud aside from your ongoing vitriol about how it's not possible for him to win using negative games. He in fact seems very capable of proving he did win what he said he did. The point you sped by was that now you have the chance to actually prove him wrong, unless you either accept the fact that he won, you don't really have the money you bark that you say you do, or you're just plain afraid to face him. You keep on saying his system has no validity, yet you seem comfortable being critical from the safety of your computer and will not walk the walk after you've talked the talk for so long. He says he wins playing his way; you say he cannot. Unless of course you take the chicken little approach when facing the possibility of a big bet, and give us "it's possible but not probable". That kind of attitude is for babies.

I re-read the whole exchange, and you surely did want a bet with him, only it appears it was YOU who backed down when he was requiring cash be made available and you just wanted to view Internet sites. If that's the case, I can say I have more than both of you put together, but you can't prove it so it's totally meaningless.

Maybe in your mind you believe you made a fool of Singer, but when I was in LV a few weeks ago I picked up a Gaming Today and his article had a piece about you, and he made a fool of you to the whole world. If I remember correctly, there was a lot about a poster named "Dick" who was critical as stated above, but the best part was how this "Dick" claimed not to be addicted to the game, yet he claimed to have hit 26 royals in a recent 6-month period. Ouch! Now I see why you despise Singer so much. He seems to have your number and you can't get it back. But here's your chance to step up and take it back. Cover his bet. How else are you going to save face?

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Maybe you should learn to read a little better. I've never said anything like that. I understand that anyone can be lucky. However, anyone who falls for a system because the system was successful for a few people is, quite simply, a sucker. Some basic reading on statistics would do you wonders.

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>>>Maybe you should learn to read a little better. I've never said

anything like that. I understand that anyone can be lucky. However,
anyone who falls for a system because the system was successful for a
few people is, quite simply, a sucker. Some basic reading on
statistics would do you wonders.

Your tirade made you miss the entire point of what I said. Who

cares how his system of play affects others at this point in time?

What point in time. Maybe you should read your own posts first.

That's not the issue. Take a closer look, read it this time, and

don't get so ruffled over it.

Still reads the same to me.

I never saw any proof that RS is a liar OR a fraud aside from your

ongoing vitriol about how it's not possible for him to win using
negative games.

There's a reading comprehension problem, again. Look more closely and
you will see my point is that IN GENERAL people will lose with his
system. How many times did I state that "I didn't care if he won or
lost"??? I must have made that same statement close to 100 times.
Strange how you ignore the facts just like Rob …

He in fact seems very capable of proving he did win what he said he

did. The point you sped by was that now you have the chance to
actually prove him wrong, unless you either accept the fact that he
won, you don't really have the money you bark that you say you do, or
you're just plain afraid to face him.

Let me say it again. I don't care if RS wins or loses or breaks even.
The point is he promotes a system that will lead others to lose while
denigrating mathematically proven advantage play.

You keep on saying his system has no validity, yet you seem

comfortable being critical from the safety of your computer and will
not walk the walk after you've talked the talk for so long. He says
he wins playing his way; you say he cannot.

Wrong again. Aynone can win with any system. It's called luck.
However, when you use that luck factor to promote yourself and your
system then you are a liar and a fraud. I believe a woman from PA
recently won a second million dollar lottery. If she claimed she
used "a system" and it was the reason she won the lottery then that
would be equivalent to what RS does.

Unless of course you take the chicken little approach when facing

the possibility of a big bet, and give us "it's possible but not
probable". That kind of attitude is for babies.

Of course it's possible. What part of LUCK don't you understand???
Now, if you can show me how his luck is useful to anyone else please
feel free to add something of merit.

I re-read the whole exchange, and you surely did want a bet with

him, only it appears it was YOU who backed down when he was requiring
cash be made available and you just wanted to view Internet sites.

His initial CHALLENGE was that I did NOT have the money. Pure and
simple. I was more than willing to show him that I had the money. At
that point he got cowardly and started to try and CHANGE his initial
challenge. I never backed down, he did as soon as he started making
changes.

If that's the case, I can say I have more than both of you put

together, but you can't prove it so it's totally meaningless.

I could prove it. That's the point. By the way, this is the 21st
century. There's this thing called the internet that lets you sign on
to financial accounts. I was willing to allow RS to sit next to me
while I signed on to show him exactly what I had. All he wanted was
for me to go through the effort to convert my assets in cash and then
he would have backed down anyway.

Maybe in your mind you believe you made a fool of Singer, but when

I was in LV a few weeks ago I picked up a Gaming Today and his
article had a piece about you, and he made a fool of you to the whole
world.

He can write whatever he wants in GT. I could care less. Anyone who
reads his garbage and believes it is a sucker by definition. You
think I care what these suckers think? Get a life.

If I remember correctly, there was a lot about a poster

named "Dick" who was critical as stated above, but the best part was
how this "Dick" claimed not to be addicted to the game, yet he
claimed to have hit 26 royals in a recent 6-month period. Ouch!

Yes, 26 RFs is true. I'm glad to see RS continues to read my posts
with baited breath, since that particular statement was not made in
our discussions. PS. I'm still not addicted. You should go back and
reread my post on addiction if you want to really understand.
However, I'll give you the short form. I'm as addicted to VP as
someone who works for a living and puts in his hours every week.

Now I see why you despise Singer so much. He seems to have your

number and you can't get it back. But here's your chance to step up
and take it back. Cover his bet. How else are you going to save
face?

Come on, Rob, get out from behind your assumed ID and face me again.
The only thing I have against you is claiming that people, in
general, can win long term on negative expectation machines. Many
have proven it can't be done. I've proven that it can't be done, but
you persist in claiming otherwise. Oh, and for the record ONE MORE
TIME. I could care less whether you've personally won or lost.

Dick

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Aces High <aces_hii@y...> wrote:

Dick: You can't seem to grasp the issue, and the more you try the
further away you're getting. You've said "anyone can get lucky".
For 8 years? That's why you call him a "liar", and I'm assuming
the "fraud" part is because you think his system stinks. So lets
stick to the facts please. The ONLY issue I brought up is whether or
not he actually is a "liar and a fraud" as you've been consistently
saying. Whether or not you "care" if he wins, whether or not you
believe he "leads others to lose" or whether or not you
believe "anyone can get lucky" has nothing to do with the point.

THE ONLY ISSUE AT HAND IS DO YOU BELIEVE HE HAS WON $640000 OVER
THOSE 8 YEARS PLAYING VIDEO POKER OR NOT? If the answer's yes, then
you can bring up all the things you don't like about him and then
some, and I'll be satisfied because I got a straightforward answer
from you finally. If it's a clear NO without any of your other mumbo
jumbo, then I continue to submit to you that you should put your
money where your mouth is, and support the poor radio jock who
apparently has turned down the challenge. If you do not want to do
that then say so without excuses, because it will be easy to decipher
why.

I see where you're coming from on the "money vs. cash" issue, but if
one can't prove they have money with cash, what's the point? It
looks like a normal flow of reason and rationale to require cash
instead of just believing what someone says over the Internet, or
looking at a site for proof. Plus it was a bet. Bets are made with
cash, so I don't see a problem with what he did. What were you going
to do, offer to give him a check if he won? Maybe an "electronic
transfer"? It appears to me he was just thinking ahead, and he had
every right to clarify the bet to protect his interest in case he
won. Either way, he may have learned how to deal with big-money
bettors since. A cash escrow account holder is the only way to
assure both sides in a bet. If he was willing to convert his assets
to cash, why were you so hesitant? Peeling down the onion as many
layers as you can locate only supports a weak position the further
down one goes. Your excuse here that "he would have backed down
anyway" doesn't cut it. He surely didn't do that this time around.

I take another view on how or if his writing affects you. Back then,
your posts showed a constant irritation with him. He claims you are
an addict many times. You say you're not. The logic he presents
that you got so many royals in so short a time easily depicts you as
a player who plays way too much. You can call it whatever you like
because that's what those type of people do. I know you'll argue
that point all day and night because you'll never see it for what it
is. You can have the last word, but I know you won't stop thinking
about it, especially when you're in casinos. Those will be my last
words, every single time, and I don't have to say a thing about it
ever again.

I'll tell you what. If you want me to be Elizabeth Taylor today, you
got it! How about Clint Eastwood? Anyone you want, just think it.
But they'll all be Rob Singer to you, because whoever supports any
part of what he writes IS him to you. I see he has THAT kind of
effect on you.

Dick:
I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges anyway.
Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I see you
call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve yourself
in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your nemisis
seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style, leaving no
questions now or ever. The difference between you and he is he's
public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word to the
public gets published. What you show me is a dance from wherever
your computer is and no more. My mind is made up: you have no
credibility, and that which seems most important to you has also been
tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and ascertain what
a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.

I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning streak. Now you
come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where I guess
you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming industry he's
been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for you to
swallow so every time he says something your obsession with him
unleashes negativity.

Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe you'd
like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an ugly wife.
Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his balls.
But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob Singer. He's
more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your soul and
put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to see.
NOBODY does that to YOU!

After all this time we have another singer-spewin' idiot. Glad you
could make it. It's been pretty boring around here without old
Robbie to kick around. Well, Tom or Rob or whoever you are, you seem
pretty good at criticizing your betters but what about you. Regale
us poor simps with your tales of winning and inform the general
gaming community of the tremendous wins you have using the singer
system for people who don't understand math. I personally have won
over $600,000 in the last 6 years playing video poker, I have also
lost a considerable sum. The trick is to win more than you lose.
That, my friend, isn't part of the long term singer strategy.
Praise the idiot all you want, just please tell us all how you do
overall using ass-clown singers tips. You may want to go over
to "cooler poker", singer is an administrator on that site and I
think they have had about 3 posts in 4 months. But you will find
kindered spirits who love to slice and dice the ones who actually
write something worth reading. Hi Dick, Long time, no hear.

Dick:
I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges

anyway.

Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I see

you

call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve

yourself

in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your nemisis
seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style, leaving no
questions now or ever. The difference between you and he is he's
public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word to the
public gets published. What you show me is a dance from wherever
your computer is and no more. My mind is made up: you have no
credibility, and that which seems most important to you has also

been

tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and ascertain

what

a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.

I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning streak. Now

you

come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where I

guess

you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming industry

he's

been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for you to
swallow so every time he says something your obsession with him
unleashes negativity.

Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe you'd
like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an ugly

wife.

Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his

balls.

But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob Singer.

He's

more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your soul

and

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aces_hii" <aces_hii@y...> wrote:

put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to see.
NOBODY does that to YOU!

I think you're a little behind. RS has a net win of $640k, and he is betting $740k CASH with whomever doesn't believe him, I guess starting with that radio jock. I'm sorry you don't have the discipline to hang onto what you've won. I never did either until I met him in New Orleans and he showed me a few things. Now when I play vp, I rarely go home without more than I started with. Now you're caught up.

John <three2theroyal@yahoo.com> wrote:After all this time we have another singer-spewin' idiot. Glad you
could make it. It's been pretty boring around here without old
Robbie to kick around. Well, Tom or Rob or whoever you are, you seem
pretty good at criticizing your betters but what about you. Regale
us poor simps with your tales of winning and inform the general
gaming community of the tremendous wins you have using the singer
system for people who don't understand math. I personally have won
over $600,000 in the last 6 years playing video poker, I have also
lost a considerable sum. The trick is to win more than you lose.
That, my friend, isn't part of the long term singer strategy.
Praise the idiot all you want, just please tell us all how you do
overall using ass-clown singers tips. You may want to go over
to "cooler poker", singer is an administrator on that site and I
think they have had about 3 posts in 4 months. But you will find
kindered spirits who love to slice and dice the ones who actually
write something worth reading. Hi Dick, Long time, no hear.

Dick:
I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges

anyway.

Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I see

you

call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve

yourself

in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your nemisis
seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style, leaving no
questions now or ever. The difference between you and he is he's
public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word to the
public gets published. What you show me is a dance from wherever
your computer is and no more. My mind is made up: you have no
credibility, and that which seems most important to you has also

been

tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and ascertain

what

a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.

I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning streak. Now

you

come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where I

guess

you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming industry

he's

been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for you to
swallow so every time he says something your obsession with him
unleashes negativity.

Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe you'd
like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an ugly

wife.

Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his

balls.

But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob Singer.

He's

more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your soul

and

put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to see.
NOBODY does that to YOU!

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Glad you could cut your "busy weekend" short to post your
condescending reply. I have to agree with Dick, you must be singer
or maybe his boyfriend. Nobody would become so irate over little
robbie unless this was oh-so personal. If you would remove your
proboscis from singers posterior you would see the real view of the
singer system. Don't worry about me, I win plenty. I take three or
four trips to Nevada each year and use my comps and play DDB. I'm
coming home about 80% of the time with more than I went with. If you
tell me that you win every time then I know you are a liar, just
like your false god robbie. I'll bet you think this war is a good
thing too.

I think you're a little behind. RS has a net win of $640k, and he

is betting $740k CASH with whomever doesn't believe him, I guess
starting with that radio jock. I'm sorry you don't have the
discipline to hang onto what you've won. I never did either until I
met him in New Orleans and he showed me a few things. Now when I
play vp, I rarely go home without more than I started with. Now
you're caught up.

John <three2theroyal@y...> wrote:After all this time we have

another singer-spewin' idiot. Glad you

could make it. It's been pretty boring around here without old
Robbie to kick around. Well, Tom or Rob or whoever you are, you

seem

pretty good at criticizing your betters but what about you. Regale
us poor simps with your tales of winning and inform the general
gaming community of the tremendous wins you have using the singer
system for people who don't understand math. I personally have won
over $600,000 in the last 6 years playing video poker, I have also
lost a considerable sum. The trick is to win more than you lose.
That, my friend, isn't part of the long term singer strategy.
Praise the idiot all you want, just please tell us all how you do
overall using ass-clown singers tips. You may want to go over
to "cooler poker", singer is an administrator on that site and I
think they have had about 3 posts in 4 months. But you will find
kindered spirits who love to slice and dice the ones who actually
write something worth reading. Hi Dick, Long time, no hear.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aces_hii" <aces_hii@y...>

wrote:

> Dick:
> I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges
anyway.
> Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I see
you
> call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
> bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve
yourself
> in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your

nemisis

> seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style, leaving

no

> questions now or ever. The difference between you and he is

he's

> public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word to

the

> public gets published. What you show me is a dance from

wherever

> your computer is and no more. My mind is made up: you have no
> credibility, and that which seems most important to you has also
been
> tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and ascertain
what
> a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.
>
> I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning streak.

Now

you
> come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where I
guess
> you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming industry
he's
> been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for you to
> swallow so every time he says something your obsession with him
> unleashes negativity.
>
> Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe

you'd

> like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an ugly
wife.
> Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his
balls.
> But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob Singer.
He's
> more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your

soul

and
> put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to see.
> NOBODY does that to YOU!

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Got my chores done and I'm getting ready for a hot date. Something
tells me you're on the dying side of 40.

If you believe Robbie is a liar, here's your chance of a lifetime.
I'm sure he'll take your challenge instead of the radio guy, or even
your poor misunderstood cyberspace homo Dick's. Then we'll see how
much "plenty" really means.

Glad you could cut your "busy weekend" short to post your
condescending reply. I have to agree with Dick, you must be singer
or maybe his boyfriend. Nobody would become so irate over little
robbie unless this was oh-so personal. If you would remove your
proboscis from singers posterior you would see the real view of the
singer system. Don't worry about me, I win plenty. I take three or
four trips to Nevada each year and use my comps and play DDB. I'm
coming home about 80% of the time with more than I went with. If

you

tell me that you win every time then I know you are a liar, just
like your false god robbie. I'll bet you think this war is a good
thing too.

> I think you're a little behind. RS has a net win of $640k, and

he

is betting $740k CASH with whomever doesn't believe him, I guess
starting with that radio jock. I'm sorry you don't have the
discipline to hang onto what you've won. I never did either until

I

met him in New Orleans and he showed me a few things. Now when I
play vp, I rarely go home without more than I started with. Now
you're caught up.
>
> John <three2theroyal@y...> wrote:After all this time we have
another singer-spewin' idiot. Glad you
> could make it. It's been pretty boring around here without old
> Robbie to kick around. Well, Tom or Rob or whoever you are, you
seem
> pretty good at criticizing your betters but what about you.

Regale

> us poor simps with your tales of winning and inform the general
> gaming community of the tremendous wins you have using the singer
> system for people who don't understand math. I personally have

won

> over $600,000 in the last 6 years playing video poker, I have

also

> lost a considerable sum. The trick is to win more than you lose.
> That, my friend, isn't part of the long term singer strategy.
> Praise the idiot all you want, just please tell us all how you do
> overall using ass-clown singers tips. You may want to go over
> to "cooler poker", singer is an administrator on that site and I
> think they have had about 3 posts in 4 months. But you will find
> kindered spirits who love to slice and dice the ones who actually
> write something worth reading. Hi Dick, Long time, no hear.
>
>
>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aces_hii" <aces_hii@y...>
wrote:
> > Dick:
> > I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges
> anyway.
> > Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I

see

> you
> > call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
> > bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve
> yourself
> > in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your
nemisis
> > seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style, leaving
no
> > questions now or ever. The difference between you and he is
he's
> > public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word to
the
> > public gets published. What you show me is a dance from
wherever
> > your computer is and no more. My mind is made up: you have no
> > credibility, and that which seems most important to you has

also

> been
> > tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and ascertain
> what
> > a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.
> >
> > I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning streak.
Now
> you
> > come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where I
> guess
> > you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming industry
> he's
> > been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for you

to

> > swallow so every time he says something your obsession with him
> > unleashes negativity.
> >
> > Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe
you'd
> > like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an ugly
> wife.
> > Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his
> balls.
> > But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob

Singer.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Aces High <aces_hii@y...> wrote:
> He's
> > more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your
soul
> and
> > put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to see.
> > NOBODY does that to YOU!
>
>
>
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Actually, I'm over 50 and dating women of all different ages. Screw
the stupid bet!! Robbie is a liar and a fraud and I would get no
satisfaction from betting how much money he has. I don't care. Best
I can tell he is about the most miserable man I've ever had the
pleasure to best in an online forum. What about everything else?? If
you aren't singer then clue us in on the inner gaming style of Tom,
or rob or whoever you are. You and singer have fun on your "hot
date". Later.

Got my chores done and I'm getting ready for a hot date.

Something

tells me you're on the dying side of 40.

If you believe Robbie is a liar, here's your chance of a

lifetime.

I'm sure he'll take your challenge instead of the radio guy, or

even

your poor misunderstood cyberspace homo Dick's. Then we'll see

how

much "plenty" really means.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "John" <three2theroyal@y...>

wrote:

> Glad you could cut your "busy weekend" short to post your
> condescending reply. I have to agree with Dick, you must be

singer

> or maybe his boyfriend. Nobody would become so irate over little
> robbie unless this was oh-so personal. If you would remove your
> proboscis from singers posterior you would see the real view of

the

> singer system. Don't worry about me, I win plenty. I take three

or

> four trips to Nevada each year and use my comps and play DDB.

I'm

> coming home about 80% of the time with more than I went with. If
you
> tell me that you win every time then I know you are a liar, just
> like your false god robbie. I'll bet you think this war is a

good

> thing too.
>
>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Aces High <aces_hii@y...>

wrote:

> > I think you're a little behind. RS has a net win of $640k,

and

he
> is betting $740k CASH with whomever doesn't believe him, I guess
> starting with that radio jock. I'm sorry you don't have the
> discipline to hang onto what you've won. I never did either

until

I
> met him in New Orleans and he showed me a few things. Now when

I

> play vp, I rarely go home without more than I started with. Now
> you're caught up.
> >
> > John <three2theroyal@y...> wrote:After all this time we have
> another singer-spewin' idiot. Glad you
> > could make it. It's been pretty boring around here without old
> > Robbie to kick around. Well, Tom or Rob or whoever you are,

you

> seem
> > pretty good at criticizing your betters but what about you.
Regale
> > us poor simps with your tales of winning and inform the

general

> > gaming community of the tremendous wins you have using the

singer

> > system for people who don't understand math. I personally have
won
> > over $600,000 in the last 6 years playing video poker, I have
also
> > lost a considerable sum. The trick is to win more than you

lose.

> > That, my friend, isn't part of the long term singer strategy.
> > Praise the idiot all you want, just please tell us all how you

do

> > overall using ass-clown singers tips. You may want to go over
> > to "cooler poker", singer is an administrator on that site and

I

> > think they have had about 3 posts in 4 months. But you will

find

> > kindered spirits who love to slice and dice the ones who

actually

> > write something worth reading. Hi Dick, Long time, no hear.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aces_hii" <aces_hii@y...>
> wrote:
> > > Dick:
> > > I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges
> > anyway.
> > > Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I
see
> > you
> > > call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
> > > bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve
> > yourself
> > > in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your
> nemisis
> > > seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style,

leaving

> no
> > > questions now or ever. The difference between you and he is
> he's
> > > public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word

to

> the
> > > public gets published. What you show me is a dance from
> wherever
> > > your computer is and no more. My mind is made up: you have

no

> > > credibility, and that which seems most important to you has
also
> > been
> > > tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and

ascertain

> > what
> > > a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.
> > >
> > > I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning

streak.

> Now
> > you
> > > come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where

I

> > guess
> > > you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming

industry

> > he's
> > > been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for

you

to
> > > swallow so every time he says something your obsession with

him

> > > unleashes negativity.
> > >
> > > Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe
> you'd
> > > like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an

ugly

> > wife.
> > > Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his
> > balls.
> > > But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob
Singer.
> > He's
> > > more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your
> soul
> > and
> > > put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to

see.

> > > NOBODY does that to YOU!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Dick: You can't seem to grasp the issue, and the more you try the
further away you're getting. You've said "anyone can get lucky".
For 8 years? That's why you call him a "liar", and I'm assuming
the "fraud" part is because you think his system stinks. So lets
stick to the facts please. The ONLY issue I brought up is whether

or

not he actually is a "liar and a fraud" as you've been consistently
saying. Whether or not you "care" if he wins, whether or not you
believe he "leads others to lose" or whether or not you
believe "anyone can get lucky" has nothing to do with the point.

THE ONLY ISSUE AT HAND IS DO YOU BELIEVE HE HAS WON $640000 OVER
THOSE 8 YEARS PLAYING VIDEO POKER OR NOT?

How many times do I have to answer this moronic question before you
get it??? I DON'T CARE! Got it! If not, here it is again. I DON"T
CARE!

If the answer's yes, then
you can bring up all the things you don't like about him and then
some, and I'll be satisfied because I got a straightforward answer
from you finally.

You got a straightforward answer before. You just chose to ignore it.

If it's a clear NO without any of your other mumbo
jumbo, then I continue to submit to you that you should put your
money where your mouth is, and support the poor radio jock who
apparently has turned down the challenge. If you do not want to do
that then say so without excuses, because it will be easy to

decipher

why.

By the way, I believe I read the odds of the woman winning two 1
million dollar lotteries was around 419 million to 1. Anyone who
would bet that someone could not win less than a million based on
pure LUCK is nuts. How do you think she won 2 million?

I see where you're coming from on the "money vs. cash" issue, but

if

one can't prove they have money with cash, what's the point?

Stupid answer. Try again. Why would anyone create additional taxable
income and incur early withdraw penalties by converting assets into
cash when there's ABSOLUTELY no guarantee the other bettor won't back
out? I'm certainly not that stupid. Maybe you are?

It
looks like a normal flow of reason and rationale to require cash
instead of just believing what someone says over the Internet, or
looking at a site for proof.

Bogus lgoic. It's not my site, but that of reputable financial
institutions. It doesn't get any safer. In fact, the probability of
counterfeit cash is probably higher.

Plus it was a bet. Bets are made with
cash, so I don't see a problem with what he did.

I didn't make the challenge. RS did. THEN, he/you came back later to
specify cash. He was trying to sound like a BMOC. It didn't work.

What were you going
to do, offer to give him a check if he won? Maybe an "electronic
transfer"?

Since he couldn't win, I didn't have to worry about those little
details now did I?

It appears to me he was just thinking ahead, and he had
every right to clarify the bet to protect his interest in case he
won. Either way, he may have learned how to deal with big-money
bettors since. A cash escrow account holder is the only way to
assure both sides in a bet.

Had he been willing to put money into a escrow account, then that
would have been different. I asked on one of our bets about having
Tom hold the money, RS declined.

If he was willing to convert his assets
to cash, why were you so hesitant?

I don't believe for a second that he would have done anything of the
sort. It was a bet he couldn't win and he was simply looking for the
back door.

Peeling down the onion as many
layers as you can locate only supports a weak position the further
down one goes.

Only when you make incorrect assumptions as you peel the onion. This
is typical of RS logic. Assume exactly whatever you need to support
your point and then use those ASSUMPTIONS as proof. I'm way too smart
to fall for that approach.

Your excuse here that "he would have backed down
anyway" doesn't cut it. He surely didn't do that this time

around.

Different bet. Maybe he learned his lesson about making idiotic bets
that he can't win.

I take another view on how or if his writing affects you. Back

then,

your posts showed a constant irritation with him. He claims you

are

an addict many times. You say you're not. The logic he presents
that you got so many royals in so short a time easily depicts you

as

a player who plays way too much.

More dumpster logic. What is "plays way too much"? How is
that "proof" of addiction? Your logic is so weak and yet you have no
problem posting it. Amazing! Of course, you won't post your name,
will you? Not a surprise given the content of your posts. But let me
help you out a little. I'm feeling kind. While amount of play may be
a sign of addiction, it is by no means proof. You have to understand
what drives the person back to a casino. In my case, I'm only there
for the money. Just like a job. Rob can't accept that others can
control their gambling activities because he couldn't. What can I
say, he has a problem that I don't.

You can call it whatever you like
because that's what those type of people do.

"those type of people"??? Good grief.

I know you'll argue
that point all day and night because you'll never see it for what

it

is. You can have the last word, but I know you won't stop thinking
about it, especially when you're in casinos. Those will be my last
words, every single time, and I don't have to say a thing about it
ever again.

Yeah, right.

I'll tell you what. If you want me to be Elizabeth Taylor today,

you

got it! How about Clint Eastwood? Anyone you want, just think

it.

But they'll all be Rob Singer to you, because whoever supports any
part of what he writes IS him to you. I see he has THAT kind of
effect on you.

If your not Rob, then who are you? Verifiable information only.

Dick

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aces_hii" <aces_hii@y...> wrote:

Dick:
I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges

anyway.

Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I see

you

call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve

yourself

in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your nemisis
seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style, leaving no
questions now or ever.

What a joke. "No questions"? Is this idiotic or what? Here's just one
example ... How about the math guys he claimed support his system? Of
course, they don't exist. Another of his lies. Is that what you
call "forthright"?

The difference between you and he is he's
public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word to the
public gets published. What you show me is a dance from wherever
your computer is and no more.

As always, I deal only in facts.

My mind is made up: you have no
credibility, and that which seems most important to you has also

been

tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and ascertain

what

a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.

Sure I have, that's why you're already running for the exits.

I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning streak. Now

you

come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where I guess
you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming industry he's
been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for you to
swallow so every time he says something your obsession with him
unleashes negativity.

I must really have got to you. Talk about garbling multiple separate
and distinct concepts into one run on sentence. You've done it.

Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe you'd
like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an ugly

wife.

Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his

balls.

But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob Singer.

He's

more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your soul

and

put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to see.
NOBODY does that to YOU!

Sure TOM. What was your last name again?? I missed that.

Give me a break.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aces_hii" <aces_hii@y...> wrote:

Hi John,

Welcome back. What's the over/under on how long Rob/Tom lasts???

Dick

After all this time we have another singer-spewin' idiot. Glad you
could make it. It's been pretty boring around here without old
Robbie to kick around. Well, Tom or Rob or whoever you are, you

seem

pretty good at criticizing your betters but what about you. Regale
us poor simps with your tales of winning and inform the general
gaming community of the tremendous wins you have using the singer
system for people who don't understand math. I personally have won
over $600,000 in the last 6 years playing video poker, I have also
lost a considerable sum. The trick is to win more than you lose.
That, my friend, isn't part of the long term singer strategy.
Praise the idiot all you want, just please tell us all how you do
overall using ass-clown singers tips. You may want to go over
to "cooler poker", singer is an administrator on that site and I
think they have had about 3 posts in 4 months. But you will find
kindered spirits who love to slice and dice the ones who actually
write something worth reading. Hi Dick, Long time, no hear.

> Dick:
> I have a busy weekend ahead and I'm not into long exchanges
anyway.
> Thus, I'll let you say whatever you want without response (I see
you
> call it "setting the record straight" to keep you from going
> bonkers), because I think I understand you'll never involve
yourself
> in a bet that has cash involved, and that's they way your nemisis
> seems to make bets. I agree with his forthright style, leaving

no

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "John" <three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aces_hii" <aces_hii@y...> wrote:
> questions now or ever. The difference between you and he is he's
> public, he puts his money where his mouth is, and his word to the
> public gets published. What you show me is a dance from wherever
> your computer is and no more. My mind is made up: you have no
> credibility, and that which seems most important to you has also
been
> tainted: you need other readers to believe in you and ascertain
what
> a intelligent individual you are. Sir, you have failed.
>
> I remember B. Dancer saying he had a 6 month winning streak. Now
you
> come along and proclaim a 6 month royal flush streak, where I
guess
> you're saying you won something. RS tells the gaming industry
he's
> been on an 8 year winning streak, and that's too much for you to
> swallow so every time he says something your obsession with him
> unleashes negativity.
>
> Now we get to who I am. My name is Tom. I suggested maybe you'd
> like me to be Elizabeth Taylor because you might have an ugly
wife.
> Clint Eastwood because it's easy to see you wish you had his
balls.
> But in reality, I really do think you wish you were Rob Singer.
He's
> more than got your number. He's reached in and grabbed your soul
and
> put it on display for everyone here and in gamingtoday to see.
> NOBODY does that to YOU!

ROTFLMAO. Good one John, my eyes are still watering.

Dick

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "John" <three2theroyal@y...> wrote:

You and singer have fun on your "hot
date". Later.

Dick, I feel I know you after reading freevpfree for the past week.
BINGO! You're so insecure, you really need the last word. "Setting
the record straight" is your term for that isn't it, and I've never
seen anyone requiring the need to build a sense of self-
accomplishment in front a bunch of nobodys. I think I see you'd
never be able to bet RS on anything because you'd bicker about
putting up the cash, if you really have any, and he has no problem
with doing that. (Leaving money with Tom??? Is that a joke?)
Someone who plays that much vp has to be sick. Justifying your habit
as "a job" is what leads people to GA, and I don't mean Georgia.

I'm tired after getting laid four times tonight. CAN YOU REMEMBER
back that far when even ONCE was a miracle???

Now when you awaken from your Rip-van-Winkle and read this, I know
your blood pressure pills will have to be doubled up on until you get
it off your chest again here. So please take it easy that you may
enjoy many more wasted hours at the machines, where one who has the
need to say "I have more than $740000" has no choice but to spend
most of every waken hour at a stupid video poker machine for a
thrill. Too bad it wasn't Elizabeth Taylor! Oooo! Oooo! I just got
the need to say I have more than a million dollars, and it makes me
feel WONDERFUL that a zero like you knows it now! In fact, it's
absolutely true and I can prove it on an Internet site with a
password and all that! Not that I'll ever have to prove it to
anyone, but it makes me feel good to at least say it! Especially in
my olden years where not much is fun anymore, that is, except my
habit with video poker. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

Dick, I feel I know you after reading freevpfree for the past

week.

BINGO!

From the man who said he wasn't going to post again. Obviously, I
know you much better than you know me. I never made any such claim.

You're so insecure, you really need the last word. "Setting
the record straight" is your term for that isn't it, and I've never
seen anyone requiring the need to build a sense of self-
accomplishment in front a bunch of nobodys.

If you want to post nonsense, you better be prepared for the fallout.

I think I see you'd
never be able to bet RS on anything because you'd bicker about
putting up the cash, if you really have any, and he has no problem
with doing that. (Leaving money with Tom??? Is that a joke?)

Nope.

Someone who plays that much vp has to be sick. Justifying your

habit

as "a job" is what leads people to GA, and I don't mean Georgia.

Can't accept the truth? Sounds more like Robbie all the time. He/you
can't accept that anyone could gamble without an addiction. Of
course, that would also mean accepting that your own addiction is not
shared by all gamblers. Do you see the problem?
  

I'm tired after getting laid four times tonight. CAN YOU REMEMBER
back that far when even ONCE was a miracle???

It's getting harder and harder for you to sound like someone else,
isn't it Robbie?

Now when you awaken from your Rip-van-Winkle and read this, I know
your blood pressure pills will have to be doubled up on until you

get

it off your chest again here.

The Rob Singer insults have arose in full bloom. Give up the
deception, your own posts make it so obvious. You even use the exact
same insults you used before.

So please take it easy that you may
enjoy many more wasted hours at the machines, where one who has the
need to say "I have more than $740000" has no choice but to spend
most of every waken hour at a stupid video poker machine for a
thrill.

Keep 'em comming Robbie. I love it when your small mind comes apart
at the seams.

Too bad it wasn't Elizabeth Taylor! Oooo! Oooo! I just got
the need to say I have more than a million dollars, and it makes me
feel WONDERFUL that a zero like you knows it now! In fact, it's
absolutely true and I can prove it on an Internet site with a
password and all that! Not that I'll ever have to prove it to
anyone, but it makes me feel good to at least say it! Especially

in

my olden years where not much is fun anymore, that is, except my
habit with video poker. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

That brings up and interesting point. Anyone could come up with any
sum they want when the bet is whether they have the CASH or not
(which was your previous bet). It would be easy to get backers when
they are absolutely guarenteed they couldn't lose. So, your old point
about it having to be cash is really ridiculous since it wouldn't
prove a thing.

Now, please come back with more of your inane arguments and
schoolyard insults. It shows the whole world just what a small,
unhappy person you are.

Dick

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "aces_hii" <aces_hii@y...> wrote:

Don't worry about me, I win plenty. I take three or

four trips to Nevada each year and use my comps and play DDB. I'm
coming home about 80% of the time with more than I went with.

Are you using RS's system to enjoy this extraordinary good result? If
not, to what do you atribute the 80% win rate?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "John" <three2theroyal@y...> wrote: