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The 14%'er

#21

The next morning I woke up all sick, sober and sorry. I got cleaned up then headed back to the veterans club. I grabbed a cup of coffee and sat down at the bar where I could see into the casino. A coule of seats down sat the slot attendents husband. He was giving me a steely glare. I looked into the casino and a slot tech was on one of the machines. Jim was standing there looking over his shoulder.

I turned back around and sipped my coffee. Then I got a tap on the shoulder. It was Jim.

"The technician says you're right, Mickey."
"Where you gonna set the meters?" I asked
"We're gonna put the Four Aces on $200 and the Aces Full on $50."
"That's good, Jim."
"I took a look at the numbers this morning. We've been losing money on those machines for over two months."
"Well, this should solve your problem, Jim."

The slot attendents husband, who could hear the conversation, was still giving me the steely glare.

"C'mon into the casino" Jim said. "I'll introduce you to the technician."
"No, No, Jim. No need for that."
"Well, anyway, thanks Mickey" he said as he walked away.

I looked over at the slot attendents husband. He was still giving me the steely glare.

"Stare all you want, Puke!" I said to him. Then I got up and walked out the door.

This story is dedicated to Corporal Cecil Lane Crimm, USMC, killed in action 21 July 1944. The uncle I never met. I live the freedom he fought and died for.

#22

Nice story Mickey

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

The next morning I woke up all sick, sober and sorry. I got cleaned up then headed back to the veterans club. I grabbed a cup of coffee and sat down at the bar where I could see into the casino. A coule of seats down sat the slot attendents husband. He was giving me a steely glare. I looked into the casino and a slot tech was on one of the machines. Jim was standing there looking over his shoulder.

I turned back around and sipped my coffee. Then I got a tap on the shoulder. It was Jim.

"The technician says you're right, Mickey."
"Where you gonna set the meters?" I asked
"We're gonna put the Four Aces on $200 and the Aces Full on $50."
"That's good, Jim."
"I took a look at the numbers this morning. We've been losing money on those machines for over two months."
"Well, this should solve your problem, Jim."

The slot attendents husband, who could hear the conversation, was still giving me the steely glare.

"C'mon into the casino" Jim said. "I'll introduce you to the technician."
"No, No, Jim. No need for that."
"Well, anyway, thanks Mickey" he said as he walked away.

I looked over at the slot attendents husband. He was still giving me the steely glare.

"Stare all you want, Puke!" I said to him. Then I got up and walked out the door.

This story is dedicated to Corporal Cecil Lane Crimm, USMC, killed in action 21 July 1944. The uncle I never met. I live the freedom he fought and died for.

#23

I'm a lurker who never posts here, but I've come out of hiding to say thank you Mickey. Well done.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

This story is dedicated to Corporal Cecil Lane Crimm, USMC, killed in action 21 July 1944. The uncle I never met. I live the freedom he fought and died for.

#24

wow, mickey, you know i love you, but... you walk in and kill someone
else's play, just because the owner is a vet? that's really rude.

the owner is beating all his regulars out of 5%. he's not going to
starve because a couple are beating him for 20%, especially ones that
appear not to be playing it too heavily. maybe the husband is a vet
too, ever think about that? or maybe something is going on that you
have no idea about.

speaking personally, profit from my casino play is currently providing
the sole income for a disabled vet. it'd be pretty ironic if someone
were to kill one of my plays because they knew the casino owner was a
vet, and they wanted to support vets.

anyway, this is yet another reason why i don't drink when i play.

best wishes,

five

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Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

"You see that, Jim? Those meters are too high?"

#25

Exactly. You can sheer a sheep many times, but only skin it once.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

Why should it seem strange. We were all brought up on the story of not killing the golden goose. Keep it laying eggs for as long as you can.

Micky played this exactly the same way I would have, perhaps better.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "GilbertA" <gilrus47@> wrote: The concept of preserving a play for three years is strange to the majority of the vpFREE population.

#26

There's a little misunderstanding here, five. It was a real veterans club, a non-profit. The money they make goes to many charitiable causes, including helping out disabled vets. In Montana veterans clubs are open to the public.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

wow, mickey, you know i love you, but... you walk in and kill someone
else's play, just because the owner is a vet? that's really rude.

#27

Yeah but in THIS case the sheep keep dissapearing even if you only shher them.
so----burn baby burn!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jvferg72" <jvferg72@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
>
> Why should it seem strange. We were all brought up on the story of not killing the golden goose. Keep it laying eggs for as long as you can.
>
> Micky played this exactly the same way I would have, perhaps better.
>
> ~FK
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "GilbertA" <gilrus47@> wrote: The concept of preserving a play for three years is strange to the majority of the vpFREE population.
>
Exactly. You can sheer a sheep many times, but only skin it once.

#28

It took 3 1/2 years for 25 machines to dwindle down to one. Milk, baby, Milk was definitely the right technique.

#29

Certainly. But now that there is only ONE machine left?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

It took 3 1/2 years for 25 machines to dwindle down to one. Milk, baby, Milk was definitely the right technique.

#30

I've been through countless plays in 15 years. They all dried up. That's the one constaant in machine play, everything changes. I have other plays, let's see how long they last.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

Certainly. But now that there is only ONE machine left?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:

It took 3 1/2 years for 25 machines to dwindle down to one. Milk, >baby, Milk was definitely the right technique.

#31

Jim was not the owner of the veterans club. He was the elected leader of that post. The profit the casino made, in that post, went to help veterans, just like the money you make, five, goes to help a veteran. It's the same thing.

I would have no problem beating a casino where the owner justs happens to be a veteran. He's in the business of beating people out of their money for profit. But I draw the line at beating veterans organizations out of their money.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

speaking personally, profit from my casino play is currently providing
the sole income for a disabled vet. it'd be pretty ironic if someone
were to kill one of my plays because they knew the casino owner was a
vet, and they wanted to support vets.

#32

No, at 14% it's a theoretical $70 an hour win at 1000 hands per hour. It's very hard to have a losing session at this game as long as you put in a significant session, like 6 or 8 hours. The frequency on the Aces Full hand is 925. Percentagewise you are right around breakeven just on hands that have a frequency of 925 or less, hands like 4 of a Kind, Full House, etc. All the hands with frequencies above 925 are the gravy hands, the payday hands.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

Mickey: I'm a little confused on what you're doing with this play. You said "I'm only making about $500 an hour in action. If I was on my case $1000 I'd take it to this play."

I think earlier you said a player can only play 50c/hand and that you play around 1000 hph. 1000 hph is $500 worth of action each hour, right? So you're profitting the same amount that you run thru the machines every hour?

#33

oh, ok. that makes more sense.

thanks for clearing that up, mickey. :slight_smile:

cheers,

five

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Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, fivespot <fivespot55@...> wrote:

wow, mickey, you know i love you, but... you walk in and kill someone
else's play, just because the owner is a vet? that's really rude.

There's a little misunderstanding here, five. It was a real veterans club, a non-profit. The money they make goes to many charitiable causes, including helping out disabled vets. In Montana veterans clubs are open to the public.

#34

What I dont understand is the danger with pulling into Bullwinkle Montana, to a club in the middle of nowhere. Since your a stranger, they watch you like a hawk. They see you shoving in hundreds of dollars into a machine...so you got serious money. The thought is you might be a pro player trying to bring them down. They send a decoy over to play next to you to find out your real gig. As long as your losing, your in no grave danger. You've had a few too many drinks and tell the chick you plan to beat the machine, its a 14% advantage play and thats what you do for a living. Jackpot hits, and Mickey wakes up dead the next day in the middle of a Forrest 50 miles away. Did those thoughts every worry you ?

best...Tom

#35

If the sun don't shine tomorrow, people I've had a good time.
Hank Williams, JR.

Don't try to scare me, dude. You're barkin' up the wrong tree. The only thing that scares me is runnin' out of whiskey. I specially aint' afraid of a bunch of Montanans that don't understand gambling. None of them do. This ain't Nevada. If I beat a machine out of a bunch of money in one of these hillbilly towns, it's not my fault, according to them, there's something wrong with the machine. They simply don't have no concept.

Don'y try to scare me. You won't get anywhere. I'll just laugh at your ass. Hey, kid. Do you play nine-ball?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:

What I dont understand is the danger with pulling into Bullwinkle Montana,
to a club in the middle of nowhere. Since your a stranger, they watch you
like a hawk. They see you shoving in hundreds of dollars into a machine...so
you got serious money. The thought is you might be a pro player trying to
bring them down. They send a decoy over to play next to you to find out your
real gig. As long as your losing, your in no grave danger. You've had a few
too many drinks and tell the chick you plan to beat the machine, its a 14%
advantage play and thats what you do for a living. Jackpot hits, and Mickey
wakes up dead the next day in the middle of a Forrest 50 miles away. Did
those thoughts every worry you ?

best...Tom

#36

That Bar
619 Central Avenue
Great Fall, Montana

I'll give you a pool shootin' exhibition. Bring some money, kid. I don't need your money, but I will damn sure make you pay for your lessons.

#37

My head is smokin'. Any one should definitely be able to tell, from my last few posts, that I fell off the wagon last night. A good time was had by all.

In Nevada, or Mississippi, or AC, and probably in some more jurisdictions I'm a dime a dozen guy. But in Montana I'm a diamond in the rough. I'm the pioneer machine pro here. Nobody here knows anything about gambling, not even the owners of the machines. The couple at the veterans club and the couple on the Aces Full $75 play are the only ones I've seen here that have even 10% of a clue.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

That Bar
619 Central Avenue
Great Fall, Montana

I'll give you a pool shootin' exhibition. Bring some money, kid. I don't need your money, but I will damn sure make you pay for your lessons.

#38

Hey Mickey, let me ask you a question. Are there any machines in South or North Dakota? Just wondering.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

In Nevada, or Mississippi, or AC, and probably in some more jurisdictions I'm a dime a dozen guy. But in Montana I'm a diamond in the rough. I'm the pioneer machine pro here. Nobody here knows anything about gambling, not even the owners of the machines. The couple at the veterans club and the couple on the Aces Full $75 play are the only ones I've seen here that have even 10% of a clue.

#39

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

Hey Mickey, let me ask you a question. Are there any machines in >South or North Dakota? Just wondering.

Yes, in both states. South Dakota has Indian casinos and they also have Deadwood. They also have machines in the bars. Al was driving back from the midwest about a year ago and I got him to do some snooping around in South Dakota. The bars have nothing playable in video poker. In Deadwood the poker games are good, and he also found some advantage slots, but the video poker sux.

There are Indian casinos in North Dakota. I haven't been there but have gotten reports that there are some advantage slots.

#40

Al has been sitting in the 30/60 Stud Hi Lo games at the Rio this week. When he gets here next week we are going in the other direction, over to Washington, to play some poker and see what we can find in the way of machines. There's a couple Indian casinos over there that have never signed a compact with the state and have Nevada type machines. We'll see what we can find.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

Hey Mickey, let me ask you a question. Are there any machines in >South or North Dakota? Just wondering.