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The 14%'er

#1

Rob my old buddy Al is gonna be up Montana way here in about a week and a half. We're gonna take a little road trip of about two weeks. Along the way we are gonna stop at a little 20 machine Mom & Pop casino. I still have one machine left on the 14% play. I'm a dinosaur. I still haven't upgraded to a camera phone. But Al has one. If the play is still there I'm gonna get him to take a picture so I can post it up on vpFREE. Just so everyone will know I'm not blowing smoke.

You can only bet 50 cents per hand and crank out 1000 games per hour. This is what the money odds look like.

5 Aces........1200+ 1% meter
Royal Flush....800
4 Natural Aces........300+ 1% meter
5 of a Kind...250
Natural Aces Full of Anything....200+ 1% meter
Wild Royal.....200
Straight Flush....50
Four of a Kind....25
Full House.......9
Flush........5
Straight.....4
3 of a Kind...1
Two Pair.....1

In this game you'll come off with the Natural Aces Full about every 925 games. That's what makes this payscale so strong. The sweet thing about this play is you could chop he Royal Flush, 5 of a Kind, and Joker Royal right off the paytable and still have a 7% edge.

I've been milking this one particular machine for over 3 years.

#2

I hope he shows you how to post the picture too.

How is it that such a game exists for so long? You would think people would be milking it all the time and it would be removed. Is that 1 credit payoff for trips right?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

Rob my old buddy Al is gonna be up Montana way here in about a week and a half. We're gonna take a little road trip of about two weeks. Along the way we are gonna stop at a little 20 machine Mom & Pop casino. I still have one machine left on the 14% play. I'm a dinosaur. I still haven't upgraded to a camera phone. But Al has one. If the play is still there I'm gonna get him to take a picture so I can post it up on vpFREE. Just so everyone will know I'm not blowing smoke.

You can only bet 50 cents per hand and crank out 1000 games per hour. This is what the money odds look like.

5 Aces........1200+ 1% meter
Royal Flush....800
4 Natural Aces........300+ 1% meter
5 of a Kind...250
Natural Aces Full of Anything....200+ 1% meter
Wild Royal.....200
Straight Flush....50
Four of a Kind....25
Full House.......9
Flush........5
Straight.....4
3 of a Kind...1
Two Pair.....1

In this game you'll come off with the Natural Aces Full about every 925 games. That's what makes this payscale so strong. The sweet thing about this play is you could chop he Royal Flush, 5 of a Kind, and Joker Royal right off the paytable and still have a 7% edge.

I've been milking this one particular machine for over 3 years.

#3

Flush attack was 136% if you only played when the light was lit. It lasted a couple of years.

Note: I ran bad. Couldn't have made more than 134%.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:How is it that such a game exists for so long? You would think people would be milking it all the time and it would be removed. Is that 1 credit payoff for trips right?

#4

Even money on 3 of a kind is correct. It's a top heavy payscale but I'm only making about $500 an hour in action. If I was on my case $1000 I'd take it to this play.

It's just a unique situation that I stumbled onto about 3 and a half years ago. At one time I had a couple dozen of these machines all around Montana. Finding them was like finding a needle in a haystack. When I randomly stumbled onto the first one I said "There has to be more." There are 18,000 machines in Montana spread out amongst 1700 licensed establishments. Each license can have only 20 machines max. But a bar might have only 4 or 5 machines.

This particular game, called Jackpot Aces can be found on about 4000 machines. But the Natural Aces Full meter is supposed to start at either $10, $15, or $20. The ones I found with the meter starting at $100 has to be some kind of glitch or technicians error.

I've literally been in every licensed establishment in Montana looking for the glitch. I only found about 25 machines with the glitch. I had to ask myself "Should I torch it or milk it?"

The problem is these little Mom & Pop joints can't take heavy losses. If I go in and tag them for $3000 or $4000 in a couple of days they are on the phone to the slot route operator yelling "Git the &%(^^*&$$# down here and fix this )*^($##^%#^* machine.

The machines have a couple dozen games on them. Jackpot Aces is not a popular game. Every time I left a machine I wrote down where the meters were at. When I came back to the machine I oould tell if anyone else had been playing the game. Literally no one else was playing it. So I decided the milk run was the best way to handle it.

Average machine only makes about $16,000 a year for the owner. So I let them make their money and I just took a cut. I sandwiched my win between losses of other players. But still, eventually all the glitches got corrected, except this one machine I have left.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

I hope he shows you how to post the picture too.

How is it that such a game exists for so long? You would think people would be milking it all the time and it would be removed. Is that 1 credit payoff for trips right?

#5

You are one hell of a shrewd varmint, that's for sure.
The only mystery I see is how they caught up to the glitches on all the other machines since your very careful milking should have left plenty of profit in the machines?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

Even money on 3 of a kind is correct. It's a top heavy payscale but I'm only making about $500 an hour in action. If I was on my case $1000 I'd take it to this play.

It's just a unique situation that I stumbled onto about 3 and a half years ago. At one time I had a couple dozen of these machines all around Montana. Finding them was like finding a needle in a haystack. When I randomly stumbled onto the first one I said "There has to be more." There are 18,000 machines in Montana spread out amongst 1700 licensed establishments. Each license can have only 20 machines max. But a bar might have only 4 or 5 machines.

This particular game, called Jackpot Aces can be found on about 4000 machines. But the Natural Aces Full meter is supposed to start at either $10, $15, or $20. The ones I found with the meter starting at $100 has to be some kind of glitch or technicians error.

I've literally been in every licensed establishment in Montana looking for the glitch. I only found about 25 machines with the glitch. I had to ask myself "Should I torch it or milk it?"

The problem is these little Mom & Pop joints can't take heavy losses. If I go in and tag them for $3000 or $4000 in a couple of days they are on the phone to the slot route operator yelling "Git the &%(^^*&$$# down here and fix this )*^($##^%#^* machine.

The machines have a couple dozen games on them. Jackpot Aces is not a popular game. Every time I left a machine I wrote down where the meters were at. When I came back to the machine I oould tell if anyone else had been playing the game. Literally no one else was playing it. So I decided the milk run was the best way to handle it.

Average machine only makes about $16,000 a year for the owner. So I let them make their money and I just took a cut. I sandwiched my win between losses of other players. But still, eventually all the glitches got corrected, except this one machine I have left.

#6

Indeed very good restraint and milking technique. I vote from this day day we refer to long term milking of a play as,

"Micky-ing" the play.

And proposed new nickname: "Micky the Milker".

~FK

P.S. Hay it's better than my most recent nickname. "The Gas Guy".

#7

Sounds like someone else was not as careful (and shrewd) as Mickey.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

You are one hell of a shrewd varmint, that's for sure.
The only mystery I see is how they caught up to the glitches on all the other machines since your very careful milking should have left plenty of profit in the machines?

#8

No, I'm the cu;prit. If I thought I had any competition at all I would have torched it.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

Sounds like someone else was not as careful (and shrewd) as Mickey.

#9

The concept of preserving a play for three years is strange to the majority of the vpFREE population.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

Rob my old buddy Al is gonna be up Montana way here in about a week and a half. We're gonna take a little road trip of about two weeks. Along the way we are gonna stop at a little 20 machine Mom & Pop casino. I still have one machine left on the 14% play. I'm a dinosaur. I still haven't upgraded to a camera phone. But Al has one. If the play is still there I'm gonna get him to take a picture so I can post it up on vpFREE. Just so everyone will know I'm not blowing smoke.

You can only bet 50 cents per hand and crank out 1000 games per hour. This is what the money odds look like.

5 Aces........1200+ 1% meter
Royal Flush....800
4 Natural Aces........300+ 1% meter
5 of a Kind...250
Natural Aces Full of Anything....200+ 1% meter
Wild Royal.....200
Straight Flush....50
Four of a Kind....25
Full House.......9
Flush........5
Straight.....4
3 of a Kind...1
Two Pair.....1

In this game you'll come off with the Natural Aces Full about every 925 games. That's what makes this payscale so strong. The sweet thing about this play is you could chop he Royal Flush, 5 of a Kind, and Joker Royal right off the paytable and still have a 7% edge.

I've been milking this one particular machine for over 3 years.

#10

Mickey: I'm a little confused on what you're doing with this play. You said "I'm only making about $500 an hour in action. If I was on my case $1000 I'd take it to this play."

I think earlier you said a player can only play 50c/hand and that you play around 1000 hph. 1000 hph is $500 worth of action each hour, right? So you're profitting the same amount that you run thru the machines every hour?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
No, I'm the cu;prit. If I thought I had any competition at all I would have torched it.

#11

This is a play where it's very hard to have a losing session....as long as you put a real session in, say like 6 or 8 hours. Sure, it's 50 cents a hand. It's very boring. I was always going outside to smoke a cigarette, or going to the bathroom and throwing water on my face.

But you have to understand this, Rob. Gambling has always been very boring to me. I do it to survive. No other reason.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

Mickey: I'm a little confused on what you're doing with this play. You said "I'm only making about $500 an hour in action. If I was on my case $1000 I'd take it to this play."

I think earlier you said a player can only play 50c/hand and that you play around 1000 hph. 1000 hph is $500 worth of action each hour, right? So you're profitting the same amount that you run thru the machines every hour?

#12

Yes, I know. I'm still asking myself "Was it Grace? Why did God delvier this play to me?" I don't know. It just happened.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "GilbertA" <gilrus47@...> wrote:

The concept of preserving a play for three years is strange to the majority of the vpFREE population.

#13

Why should it seem strange. We were all brought up on the story of not killing the golden goose. Keep it laying eggs for as long as you can.

Micky played this exactly the same way I would have, perhaps better.

~FK

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "GilbertA" <gilrus47@...> wrote: The concept of preserving a play for three years is strange to the majority of the vpFREE population.

#14

Since there is only one machine left in the state you should bring a torch and play it 16 hours a day until they change the paytable or kick you out.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "GilbertA" <gilrus47@> wrote:
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> The concept of preserving a play for three years is strange to the majority of the vpFREE population.
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Yes, I know. I'm still asking myself "Was it Grace? Why did God delvier this play to me?" I don't know. It just happened.

#15

Interesting post. I suspect that many would follow Mike's suggestion and that that is one of the reasons why good plays don't last.

I also suspect that Mickey has thought about doing this but has concluded that it will likley be more lucrative to try to keep the play alive by taking only a little at a time.

Of course one never knows - the play could be gone tomorrow for any number of reasons. If so, Mickey will "lose" the opportunity to make a bundle of cash in a 16 hour burn and run.

In that sense, Mickey is "gambling" that the casino won't fix a slow leak.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mike" <melbedewy1226@...> wrote:

Since there is only one machine left in the state you should bring a torch and play it 16 hours a day until they change the paytable or kick you out.

#16

The owner of this one last machine is not a hands on owner. He owns a lot of business's. I had the play in one of his other places. I lost that play when the slot route operator put a new platform in the machine. It corrected the problem.

I know all the hired help where the one last machine is. I'm the guy that never loses. I tip them off pretty good.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Slowpoke" <decca@...> wrote:

Interesting post. I suspect that many would follow Mike's suggestion and that that is one of the reasons why good plays don't last.

I also suspect that Mickey has thought about doing this but has concluded that it will likley be more lucrative to try to keep the play alive by taking only a little at a time.

Of course one never knows - the play could be gone tomorrow for any number of reasons. If so, Mickey will "lose" the opportunity to make a bundle of cash in a 16 hour burn and run.

In that sense, Mickey is "gambling" that the casino won't fix a slow leak.

#17

I walked into a veterans club in a sleepy little mountain town in Montana. I was looking for the Jackpot Aces glitch. I went into the casino. The slot attendent said

"Can I get you anything to drink?"
"A cup of coffee, black, sweetheart."

When she turned her back I started punching the game up on the machines. A few machines later there it was. The Aces Full meter was a little over $100. But there was something else going on. The Four Aces meter was a little over $400. What the hell? That meter is supposed to start at $150. I go through all the machines. 3 machines had the play. And the Four Aces meters were all above $400.

I went to the bathroom and pulled out my pocket calculator. The extra 500 bets divided by 5365 came to 9.3%. I'll be a son of a bitch. Now I got myself a 23%er. That is, at least thru making 4 Aces at least once. No telling where the meter is gonna reset once I hit the Aces.

I go out and start banging away. The slot attendent kept coming over and looking over my shoulder watching me play. I could tell she was very curious as to what I was doing. I decided to pump her for information.

"Does anyboby ever hit the 4 Aces around here?" I asked
"Sometimes." she said
"How often do they come up?"
"A couple times, last week."

Damn! Damn! Damn! I thought. I got competition. Looks like I'm gonna have to torch this one.

Shift change at the car wash. The day shift slot attendent got off at 4 PM. A new attendent had arrived. The day shift attendent left the casino for a little while, but then came back in, sat down on a machine and started playing Jackpot Aces. Oh, so she's the competition. A little while later a man came in and spoke to her then sat down on the other machine and started playing Jackpot Aces. It turns out he was her husband.

They were playing but they were also whispering to each other and looking at me. Every time I hit an Aces Full hand they would whisper to each other then give me a blank stare. I hit the Four Aces and the meter reset at $400. They gave me a blank stare then whispered to each other. I don't think them two like me too much I thought.

to be continued....

#18

If you 'torch' a play, be it VP, or Blackjack,
you might torch your welcome mat too.

No?

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--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: The 14%'er
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 9:46 AM

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Slowpoke" <decca@...> wrote:

Interesting post. I suspect that many would follow Mike's suggestion and that that is one of the reasons why good plays don't last.

I also suspect that Mickey has thought about doing this but has concluded that it will likley be more lucrative to try to keep the play alive by taking only a little at a time.

Of course one never knows - the play could be gone tomorrow for any number of reasons. If so, Mickey will "lose" the opportunity to make a bundle of cash in a 16 hour burn and run.

In that sense, Mickey is "gambling" that the casino won't fix a slow leak.

The owner of this one last machine is not a hands on owner. He owns a lot of business's. I had the play in one of his other places. I lost that play when the slot route operator put a new platform in the machine. It corrected the problem.

I know all the hired help where the one last machine is. I'm the guy that never loses. I tip them off pretty good.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#19

On October 1st, 2009 bars and casinos in Montana went smokeless. You damn sure know you got a bad smoking habit if you're willing to stand outside and smoke in December or Janurary when it's 20 below and snowing sideways.

I threw a reserved sign on my machine and walked outside of the veterans club to smoke a cigarette. There was a short little man also outside smoking.

"Haven't seen you around here before" he said. "How do you like our club?"

"It's a great place. Nice bar, you got the pool tables and dart boards, the casino. And you got the flat screens."

"My names, Jim" he said as he stuck his hand out.
"Mickey, nice to meet you?" I said as we shook hands.
"I'm the commander here" he said. "Are you a vet?"
"Of course I am, Jim"
"What outfit were you in?"
"I was in the heavy knife and fork battalion in the Salvation Army. I was the best knife and fork operator in the whole outfit."
"So you're not a vet. At least you have a sense of humor about it" he said as he laughed.
"Nice meeting you, Jim. Now I've got to go and see if I can make my fortune in your casino."
"Good luck. Nice meeting you too, Mickey?"

By late on the second day I was up $1500 and change. I was getting a powerfull hankering for a beer and a shot. I cashed out and hit the bar.

"Yeah, bartender, give me a shot of V.O. and do you have any microbrew?
"No."
"Okay, how 'bout a bottle of Bud."

So I'm sitting there downing shots and chasing with beer. I was getting a pretty good little buzz on. I had a $110 an hour play. The hotel was only running me $300 a week. Life was good. Then here came that litle idiot guy on my shoulder whispering in my ear.

"Leave me alone" I said "I'm getting drunk."
"But, Mickey."
"But Mickey what? Bartender! Give me another shot!"
"What about your uncle?"
"Why do you want to bring him up."
"Are you really gonna beat these veterans out of their stew, Mickey?"
"Hey, it's not my problem!"
"They do a lot of charity work. Disabled vets and all that stuff."
"Dammit, you little *%*^$*$)$$)*$."
"You know you can't do it, Mickey."
"Yeah, I know. But I can't just leave the play for that slot atendent and her husband to burn off."
"You'll figure it out. You always do.'
"Okay, so will you go away and let me think?"
"I'll go away, but you do the right thing."
"Okay."

#20

So there I was, drunker than a pig and sniveling to myself in the veterans club in the little mountain town. Jim walked in the door.

"Hey, Jim! Can I talk to you a minute."
"Sure. What about?"
"C'mon to the casino?" He followed me in.

I punched up the Jackpot Aces.

"You see that, Jim? Those meters are too high?"
"Well, we wanted to give out customers at least one good game to play."
"But that's too good, Jim. You gotta knick those meters down."
"You think so?"
"I know so."
"Well, we'll think about it." he said as he walked off.

I went back to the bar and downed some more shots. I seen Jim walk out the door for a cigarette. I jumped up and followed him out.
I walked out into the parking lot and said

"Hey, Jim! Step out here. I want to show you something."
"Yeah, what?" he said as he stepped out."
"You see that nice big sign up there" I said as I pointed to the top of the building. "If you don't knock those meters down on those three machines I'm gonna beat you out of $1000 a day until I own this place. Then I'm gonna take that sign down and put a nice big one up there that says Mickey's Joint."
"Who are you?" Jim asked.
"I'm a gambling consultant."
"From where?"
"Las Vegas, Nevada."
"What are you doing here?"
"I retired a couple years ago and moved to Great Falls."
"So you really think we have a problem."
"I know you have a problem."
"Okay, I'll get someone down here tomorrow."
"Thanks, Jim." I said as we walked back inside.