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Rules Revision - MEMBER PARTICIPATION

#1

Here is the new MEMBER PARTICIPATION paragraph
in vpFREE Rules and Policies.

http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Rules.htm#MP

<a href="http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Rules.htm#MP">
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Rules.htm#MP</a>

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MEMBER PARTICIPATION: Every vpFREE member, as a
requirement for continuing membership, is expected
to vote in all applicable vpFREE polls and elections,
and to report DataBase inventory changes in casinos
they visit (see FAQ #60 for additional details).

#2

Vpadmin wrote: MEMBER PARTICIPATION: Every vpFREE member, as a
requirement for continuing membership, is expected
to vote in all applicable vpFREE polls and elections,
and to report DataBase inventory changes in casinos
they visit (see FAQ #60 for additional details).

This is a nonsensical rule. As written, every member is expected to do
an inventory of all 6,000+ games in every casino they visit --- even if
he/she would like to go inside just to bet on a basketball game.
According to our new rule a quick in and out isn't allowed because you
can't enter the casino without taking five hours to do a complete
survey. And since things change everyday, presumably this rule demands
each member spend all of this time EVERY DAY in EVERY CASINO. Anyone who
thought they would go cash free play at four different casinos in one
day will find that this either takes ten hours to do or that they are in
violation of this rule.

What's more, each member is expected to have memorized the Database
inventory in each casino he/she frequents so deltas may be reported. Do
we have to have it memorized perfectly, or is penalty free memorization
sufficient?

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#3

What's more, each member is expected to have memorized the Database
inventory in each casino he/she frequents so deltas may be

reported. Do

we have to have it memorized perfectly, or is penalty free

memorization

sufficient?

Bob Dancer

Don't use "reductio ad absurdum", Bob. It's a cheapo tactic; one not
worthy of your towering intellect.

Obviously, no one said that VpFree members are or were obligated to
scour an entire casino every time they set foot in it. That's stupid.

There's a large difference between mandatory scouting, and the
reporting of a change in VP inventory THAT THE PLAYER IS MANIFESTLY
AWARE OF BECAUSE HE/SHE HAS VISITED THAT CASINO IN THE RECENT PAST
AND IS THEREFORE AWARE OF THE CHANGE. To pretend that you don't
comprehend the distinction between a comprehensive search of the
casino and YOUR (in the case obviously being discussed) NOT informing
the VpFree community of this play that you found WHEN you found it
(whatever your perfectly legitimate reasons, in your own mind, may
have been) is

disingenuous
dishonest
hypocritical
self-serving

and most of all---highly implausible. Bottom line: you didn't report
this play, because you wanted to "protect" it. You were and are fully
aware that concealing such info is contrary to VpFree policy, AS WELL
AS THE SPIRIT OF THIS BOARD.

You do us no service, Bob. Perhaps you feel that you are not
obligated to render any such service; that sharing information on
good VP games is counterproductive; and that you are "entitled" to
good plays that you unearth. Well, if YOU didn't have the assistance
of others yourself, you would be constantly scurrying from casino to
casino, seeking out these good plays. No one person can hope to find
out all the info out there on some 60+ casinos (and keep it current).

I'm sure you feel that you are 100.7% in the right here, and that
nothing I say or might say can possibly have any influence on your
thinking. You're entitled to that opinion, but please don't get
snippy when someone points out that you are violating the spirit and
the letter of VpFree, which, after all, you joined voluntarily.

#4

That's not what was intended. The paragraph has been revised
to include "that they notice":

"MEMBER PARTICIPATION: Every vpFREE member, as a
requirement for continuing membership, is expected to vote in
all applicable vpFREE polls and elections, and to report DataBase
inventory changes that they notice, in casinos they visit (see
FAQ #60 for additional details)."

···

--- Bob Dancer <bdancer@compdance.com> wrote:

This is a nonsensical rule. As written, every member is expected to do
an inventory of all 6,000+ games in every casino they visit ---

#5

PUHLEEZE.
Read the rule , report what you spot and that fulfills
your obligation.

Regards
A.P.

···

--- Bob Dancer <bdancer@compdance.com> wrote:

and to report DataBase inventory changes in casinos
they visit (see FAQ #60 for additional details).

This is a nonsensical rule. As written, every member
is expected to do
an inventory of all 6,000+ games in every casino
they visit --- >
Bob Dancer

#6

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

Don't use "reductio ad absurdum", Bob. It's a cheapo tactic; one not
worthy of your towering intellect.

While we are beating up on Bob Dancer....<smile>

Dear Bob,

On 2-3 occasions now, over the past couple of weeks, I have e-mailed the "help desk" at
the VFW website, stating that I am having problems updating my copy of VFW to the latest
version. Since I have received no return information to my inquiries, let me try a direct
approach to you here.

As a history, i purchased a CD copy of VFW way back last year, when the software was
initially introduced and successfully installed it on my PC and my lap-top Mac. I then e-
mailed a couple of error reports and secured a later version about a month later and,
again, successfully installed versions on my PC and my Mac.

Recently, I have been trying to update to the latest version of VFW and have been
unsuccessful. As I said, inquiries about my problems to the VFWW web-site have gone
unanswered, Any assistace that you may be able to provide would be most appreciated.

I do see that the web site has record of my 4 previous installations. I would be happy to
provide the required personal information via private e-mail. I can be contacted within
the yahoo mail system, using the name that I use here, i.e., "bornloser1537"at-
sign"yahoo.com".

Thanks.

.....bl

#7

I have also submitted a help request via email from web site as of
yesterday. My program stopped working for no apparent reason.

Chuckn

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" wrote:

While we are beating up on Bob Dancer....<smile>

Dear Bob,

On 2-3 occasions now, over the past couple of weeks, I have e-mailed
the "help desk" at the VFW website, stating that I am having problems
updating my copy of VFW to the latest version. Since I have received
no return information to my inquiries, let me try a direct
approach to you here.

#8

--- Bob Dancer <bdancer@...> wrote:

> This is a nonsensical rule. As written, every member is expected to

do

> an inventory of all 6,000+ games in every casino they visit ---

That's not what was intended. The paragraph has been revised
to include "that they notice":

99.99988467% of us understood it that way to begin with. :wink:

Mac
www.casinocamper.com

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@...> wrote:

#9

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

> What's more, each member is expected to have memorized the

Database

> inventory in each casino he/she frequents so deltas may be
reported. Do
> we have to have it memorized perfectly, or is penalty free
memorization
> sufficient?
>
> Bob Dancer

Don't use "reductio ad absurdum", Bob. It's a cheapo tactic; one

not

worthy of your towering intellect.

Obviously, no one said that VpFree members are or were obligated to
scour an entire casino every time they set foot in it. That's

stupid.

There's a large difference between mandatory scouting, and the
reporting of a change in VP inventory THAT THE PLAYER IS MANIFESTLY
AWARE OF BECAUSE HE/SHE HAS VISITED THAT CASINO IN THE RECENT PAST
AND IS THEREFORE AWARE OF THE CHANGE. To pretend that you don't
comprehend the distinction between a comprehensive search of the
casino and YOUR (in the case obviously being discussed) NOT

informing

the VpFree community of this play that you found WHEN you found it
(whatever your perfectly legitimate reasons, in your own mind, may
have been) is

disingenuous
dishonest
hypocritical
self-serving

and most of all---highly implausible. Bottom line: you didn't

report

this play, because you wanted to "protect" it. You were and are

fully

aware that concealing such info is contrary to VpFree policy, AS

WELL

AS THE SPIRIT OF THIS BOARD.

You do us no service, Bob. Perhaps you feel that you are not
obligated to render any such service; that sharing information on
good VP games is counterproductive; and that you are "entitled" to
good plays that you unearth. Well, if YOU didn't have the

assistance

of others yourself, you would be constantly scurrying from casino

to

casino, seeking out these good plays. No one person can hope to

find

out all the info out there on some 60+ casinos (and keep it

current).

I'm sure you feel that you are 100.7% in the right here, and that
nothing I say or might say can possibly have any influence on your
thinking. You're entitled to that opinion, but please don't get
snippy when someone points out that you are violating the spirit

and

the letter of VpFree, which, after all, you joined voluntarily.

Not to either defend or slam Bob, but for this game why does this
seem to be such a big deal?

As Paladin pointed out in a separate post, there are probably only a
hand full of vpFree members who could even consider playing this
game. The fact that Bob didn't report the play really only affected
those few players, who most likely already new about it as well,
since it doesn't appear to be a casino mistake play.

No one seemed to be upset when mroejacks admitted that he didn't and
doesn't provide the locations of many $ FPDW machines (see posts
84866 and 84888) which is a game that it's a safe bet would be played
by many more vpFree members.

Bob has indicated in past posts that he feels that a double standard
is sometimes applied to him when it comes to vpFree, maybe in this
case he's right.

Bill

#10

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

> What's more, each member is expected to have memorized the

Database

> inventory in each casino he/she frequents so deltas may be
reported. Do
> we have to have it memorized perfectly, or is penalty free
memorization
> sufficient?
>
> Bob Dancer

Don't use "reductio ad absurdum", Bob. It's a cheapo tactic; one

not

worthy of your towering intellect.

Obviously, no one said that VpFree members are or were obligated to
scour an entire casino every time they set foot in it. That's

stupid.

There's a large difference between mandatory scouting, and the
reporting of a change in VP inventory THAT THE PLAYER IS MANIFESTLY
AWARE OF BECAUSE HE/SHE HAS VISITED THAT CASINO IN THE RECENT PAST
AND IS THEREFORE AWARE OF THE CHANGE. To pretend that you don't
comprehend the distinction between a comprehensive search of the
casino and YOUR (in the case obviously being discussed) NOT

informing

the VpFree community of this play that you found WHEN you found it
(whatever your perfectly legitimate reasons, in your own mind, may
have been) is

disingenuous
dishonest
hypocritical
self-serving

and most of all---highly implausible. Bottom line: you didn't

report

this play, because you wanted to "protect" it. You were and are

fully

aware that concealing such info is contrary to VpFree policy, AS

WELL

AS THE SPIRIT OF THIS BOARD.

You do us no service, Bob. Perhaps you feel that you are not
obligated to render any such service; that sharing information on
good VP games is counterproductive; and that you are "entitled" to
good plays that you unearth. Well, if YOU didn't have the

assistance

of others yourself, you would be constantly scurrying from casino

to

casino, seeking out these good plays. No one person can hope to

find

out all the info out there on some 60+ casinos (and keep it

current).

I'm sure you feel that you are 100.7% in the right here, and that
nothing I say or might say can possibly have any influence on your
thinking. You're entitled to that opinion, but please don't get
snippy when someone points out that you are violating the spirit

and

the letter of VpFree, which, after all, you joined voluntarily.

Gentlemen:

I am in no way a mouthpiece for Bob Dancer. I am one of the larger
players of VP per day when I come to Vegas. You can ask Pete Landi
at Wynn for verification if you choose. Bob Dancer has done more for
the education of Video Poker players than 99+% of those of us who use
this blog. I know all the Optimum play rules including penalty cards
for several games, but but since I never will reach the long term
perfect bell curve shape in my playing lifetime I deviate from
optimum play rules because they may not be optimum for me (relatively
few hands of 100 way play at max coin in) and I have I very high
risk/reward tolerance. Yes I need some pure luck to win.
Even though I don't play like Bob Dancer does not mean I don't
respect what he has done for our hobby/sport/business. Who of you
has done more than he for the game. Cut the man some slack and let
him maximize his income. He has a PHD and written many tomes in his
field of expertise and makes a good living. That's the American
way. He has contributed more benefits to more of us VP players than
he can possibly make in $ for himnself. An editorial from Denny.

#11

I'm sure that the vast majority of vpFREE members respect Bob for all
he's done that has benefited us, I certainly do, but aren't he and
some other "professionals" themselves asking for a double standard
when they rationalize that they are entitled to not abide by the
rules of the group?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@> wrote:
>
> > What's more, each member is expected to have memorized the
Database
> > inventory in each casino he/she frequents so deltas may be
> reported. Do
> > we have to have it memorized perfectly, or is penalty free
> memorization
> > sufficient?
> >
> > Bob Dancer
>
> Don't use "reductio ad absurdum", Bob. It's a cheapo tactic; one
not
> worthy of your towering intellect.
>
> Obviously, no one said that VpFree members are or were obligated

to

> scour an entire casino every time they set foot in it. That's
stupid.
>
> There's a large difference between mandatory scouting, and the
> reporting of a change in VP inventory THAT THE PLAYER IS

MANIFESTLY

> AWARE OF BECAUSE HE/SHE HAS VISITED THAT CASINO IN THE RECENT

PAST

> AND IS THEREFORE AWARE OF THE CHANGE. To pretend that you don't
> comprehend the distinction between a comprehensive search of the
> casino and YOUR (in the case obviously being discussed) NOT
informing
> the VpFree community of this play that you found WHEN you found

it

> (whatever your perfectly legitimate reasons, in your own mind,

may

> have been) is
>
> disingenuous
> dishonest
> hypocritical
> self-serving
>
> and most of all---highly implausible. Bottom line: you didn't
report
> this play, because you wanted to "protect" it. You were and are
fully
> aware that concealing such info is contrary to VpFree policy, AS
WELL
> AS THE SPIRIT OF THIS BOARD.
>
> You do us no service, Bob. Perhaps you feel that you are not
> obligated to render any such service; that sharing information on
> good VP games is counterproductive; and that you are "entitled"

to

> good plays that you unearth. Well, if YOU didn't have the
assistance
> of others yourself, you would be constantly scurrying from casino
to
> casino, seeking out these good plays. No one person can hope to
find
> out all the info out there on some 60+ casinos (and keep it
current).
>
> I'm sure you feel that you are 100.7% in the right here, and that
> nothing I say or might say can possibly have any influence on

your

> thinking. You're entitled to that opinion, but please don't get
> snippy when someone points out that you are violating the spirit
and
> the letter of VpFree, which, after all, you joined voluntarily.
>

Not to either defend or slam Bob, but for this game why does this
seem to be such a big deal?

As Paladin pointed out in a separate post, there are probably only

a

hand full of vpFree members who could even consider playing this
game. The fact that Bob didn't report the play really only

affected

those few players, who most likely already new about it as well,
since it doesn't appear to be a casino mistake play.

No one seemed to be upset when mroejacks admitted that he didn't

and

doesn't provide the locations of many $ FPDW machines (see posts
84866 and 84888) which is a game that it's a safe bet would be

played

by many more vpFree members.

Bob has indicated in past posts that he feels that a double

standard

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "weharter" <weharter@...> wrote:

is sometimes applied to him when it comes to vpFree, maybe in this
case he's right.

Bill

#12

Bornloser wrote: On 2-3 occasions now, over the past couple of weeks, I
have e-mailed the "help desk" at
the VFW website, stating that I am having problems updating my copy of
VFW to the latest
version. Since I have received no return information to my inquiries,
let me try a direct
approach to you here.

Of course I can help you. There was no need to post this to the entire
group. A private email to me would have been sufficient.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#13

Chuckn wrote: I have also submitted a help request via email from web
site as of yesterday. My program stopped working for no apparent reason.

Again, if you want my assistance on this, contact me privately.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#14

Denny,

I believe you are a large player, but I do not understand why you
always try to justify your incorrect play on every post. Ask Bob he
will tell the correct play is the same short term or long term unless
your goal is to lose more money.

There have been many other very helpful VP instructors besides Bob.
I found Jean Scott's and Dan Paymar's books very helpful at the start
of my VP career. I have also learned a great deal from several
posters on this forum. There are some really terrific contributors
here.

Chris

Gentlemen:

I am in no way a mouthpiece for Bob Dancer. I am one of the larger
players of VP per day when I come to Vegas. You can ask Pete Landi
at Wynn for verification if you choose. Bob Dancer has done more

for

the education of Video Poker players than 99+% of those of us who

use

this blog. I know all the Optimum play rules including penalty

cards

for several games, but but since I never will reach the long term
perfect bell curve shape in my playing lifetime I deviate from
optimum play rules because they may not be optimum for me

(relatively

few hands of 100 way play at max coin in) and I have I very high
risk/reward tolerance. Yes I need some pure luck to win.
Even though I don't play like Bob Dancer does not mean I don't
respect what he has done for our hobby/sport/business. Who of you
has done more than he for the game. Cut the man some slack and let
him maximize his income. He has a PHD and written many tomes in

his

field of expertise and makes a good living. That's the American
way. He has contributed more benefits to more of us VP players

than

he can possibly make in $ for himnself. An editorial from

Denny.

···
#15

"There was no need to post this to the entire group."

Umm....apparently, there was.

···

On 2/27/08, Bob Dancer <bdancer@compdance.com> wrote:

Bornloser wrote: On 2-3 occasions now, over the past couple of
weeks, I have e-mailed the "help desk" at the VFW website,
stating that I am having problems updating my copy of VFW to
the latest version. Since I have received no return information to
my inquiries,let me try a direct approach to you here.

Of course I can help you. There was no need to post this to the entire
group. A private email to me would have been sufficient.

Bob Dancer

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#16

I've had some good luck recently, the latest of which was my largest VP
jackpot to date. I'll warn you ahead of time--read no further if my
extremely good fortune might encourage you into bad habits. In other words,
don't copy me unless you know for sure you'll win. :wink:

After a brutal beating of an $800 loss playing $1 DDB, I was about ready to
call it a day. However, I decided I'd take a crapshoot at $2 Triple Double
Bonus with a couple final bills and hope to get a lucky quad and quickly
recoup some losses. I FULLY EXPECTED TO COME OUT EMPTY HANDED and I KNEW
THE ODDS WERE AGAINST ME, but ended up holding a single Ace and drawing a 4,
followed by 3 more Aces!! JACKPOT MUSIC!! $8000 felt pretty good.

Then, to make bad habits worse, I put a couple $$ of my winnings into 3-Play
Bonus Wheel Poker ($0.50), again JUST FOR FUN, EXPECTING THE WORST. Got
quad 6's before too long, spun the wheel, and landed on the 2000 highest
payout.

I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

I'll send some pics from my phone if anyone would like to see...

#17

denflo60 wrote:

I know all the Optimum play rules including penalty cards
for several games, but but since I never will reach the long term
perfect bell curve shape in my playing lifetime I deviate from
optimum play rules because they may not be optimum for me (relatively
few hands of 100 way play at max coin in) and I have I very high
risk/reward tolerance. Yes I need some pure luck to win.

Another member notes that short or long-term, optimum strategy is what
will yield the highest expected return. I'll add my 2 cents.

I respect the choice of any player to adopt the strategy that they
prefer. But the belief that one won't "reach the long term" is
fallacious reasoning and doesn't hold up.

Discussions of the long-term center around the fact that it isn't
until after a great many hands of play that the return from
infrequently occurring hands can be looked to fall fairly close to
expectation. However, the far predominant component of vp play is
derived from very frequently occurring hands.

To the extent that strategy deviations shift away from these hands
toward rarer, higher paying hands (and that is almost always the
case), it is almost a dead certainty that you will suffer a shortfall
in overall return related to these hands.

The tradeoff may be that you have a greater probability of hitting the
higher paying hands (royals, quad aces, etc.), but the confidence of
such hits still runs all over the place. In exchange, you can't avoid
the fact that on average you can look for an overall reduction in
return. (And you must still beat the increased expected number of
hits resultant from the strategy shift to beat the odds.)

Now, tell us that you deviate from optimum strategy because you like
to take a shot at big hands (grasping the inherent reduced EV) and
I'll tell you that your play choice entirely makes sense for you.

However, reason that optimum play economics don't make sense for you
because you won't play out the "long term" and I'll suggest that you
may be misguided in your strategy choice.

- Harry

#18

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@> wrote:
>
> > What's more, each member is expected to have memorized the
Database
> > inventory in each casino he/she frequents so deltas may be
> reported. Do
> > we have to have it memorized perfectly, or is penalty free
> memorization
> > sufficient?
> >
> > Bob Dancer
>
> Don't use "reductio ad absurdum", Bob. It's a cheapo tactic; one
not
> worthy of your towering intellect.
>
> Obviously, no one said that VpFree members are or were obligated

to

> scour an entire casino every time they set foot in it. That's
stupid.
>
> There's a large difference between mandatory scouting, and the
> reporting of a change in VP inventory THAT THE PLAYER IS

MANIFESTLY

> AWARE OF BECAUSE HE/SHE HAS VISITED THAT CASINO IN THE RECENT

PAST

> AND IS THEREFORE AWARE OF THE CHANGE. To pretend that you don't
> comprehend the distinction between a comprehensive search of the
> casino and YOUR (in the case obviously being discussed) NOT
informing
> the VpFree community of this play that you found WHEN you found

it

> (whatever your perfectly legitimate reasons, in your own mind,

may

> have been) is
>
> disingenuous
> dishonest
> hypocritical
> self-serving
>
> and most of all---highly implausible. Bottom line: you didn't
report
> this play, because you wanted to "protect" it. You were and are
fully
> aware that concealing such info is contrary to VpFree policy, AS
WELL
> AS THE SPIRIT OF THIS BOARD.
>
> You do us no service, Bob. Perhaps you feel that you are not
> obligated to render any such service; that sharing information on
> good VP games is counterproductive; and that you are "entitled"

to

> good plays that you unearth. Well, if YOU didn't have the
assistance
> of others yourself, you would be constantly scurrying from casino
to
> casino, seeking out these good plays. No one person can hope to
find
> out all the info out there on some 60+ casinos (and keep it
current).
>
> I'm sure you feel that you are 100.7% in the right here, and that
> nothing I say or might say can possibly have any influence on

your

> thinking. You're entitled to that opinion, but please don't get
> snippy when someone points out that you are violating the spirit
and
> the letter of VpFree, which, after all, you joined voluntarily.
>

Not to either defend or slam Bob, but for this game why does this
seem to be such a big deal?

As Paladin pointed out in a separate post, there are probably only

a

hand full of vpFree members who could even consider playing this
game. The fact that Bob didn't report the play really only

affected

those few players, who most likely already new about it as well,
since it doesn't appear to be a casino mistake play.

No one seemed to be upset when mroejacks admitted that he didn't

and

doesn't provide the locations of many $ FPDW machines (see posts
84866 and 84888) which is a game that it's a safe bet would be

played

by many more vpFree members.

Bob has indicated in past posts that he feels that a double

standard

is sometimes applied to him when it comes to vpFree, maybe in this
case he's right.

Bill

I back Bob Dancer all the way on this one.

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "weharter" <weharter@...> wrote:

#19

I've had some good luck recently, the latest of which was my

largest VP

jackpot to date. I'll warn you ahead of time--read no further if my
extremely good fortune might encourage you into bad habits. In

other words,

don't copy me unless you know for sure you'll win. :wink:

After a brutal beating of an $800 loss playing $1 DDB, I was about

ready to

call it a day. However, I decided I'd take a crapshoot at $2

Triple Double

Bonus with a couple final bills and hope to get a lucky quad and

quickly

recoup some losses. I FULLY EXPECTED TO COME OUT EMPTY HANDED and

I KNEW

THE ODDS WERE AGAINST ME, but ended up holding a single Ace and

drawing a 4,

followed by 3 more Aces!! JACKPOT MUSIC!! $8000 felt pretty good.

Then, to make bad habits worse, I put a couple $$ of my winnings

into 3-Play

Bonus Wheel Poker ($0.50), again JUST FOR FUN, EXPECTING THE

WORST. Got

quad 6's before too long, spun the wheel, and landed on the 2000

highest

payout.

I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

I'll send some pics from my phone if anyone would like to see...

Lucky and good is a very sweet combination

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan O. Roemer" <public@...> wrote:

#20

If you consider a loss of $800 playing $DDB a "brutal beating" you are
indeed lucky;-) Should be a fairly common event.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Nathan O. Roemer
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:17 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] A Good Run

I've had some good luck recently, the latest of which was my largest VP
jackpot to date. I'll warn you ahead of time--read no further if my
extremely good fortune might encourage you into bad habits. In other words,
don't copy me unless you know for sure you'll win. :wink:

After a brutal beating of an $800 loss playing $1 DDB, I was about ready to
call it a day. However, I decided I'd take a crapshoot at $2 Triple Double
Bonus with a couple final bills and hope to get a lucky quad and quickly
recoup some losses. I FULLY EXPECTED TO COME OUT EMPTY HANDED and I KNEW
THE ODDS WERE AGAINST ME, but ended up holding a single Ace and drawing a 4,
followed by 3 more Aces!! JACKPOT MUSIC!! $8000 felt pretty good.

Then, to make bad habits worse, I put a couple $$ of my winnings into 3-Play
Bonus Wheel Poker ($0.50), again JUST FOR FUN, EXPECTING THE WORST. Got
quad 6's before too long, spun the wheel, and landed on the 2000 highest
payout.

I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

I'll send some pics from my phone if anyone would like to see...

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