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I count using points as being "comped." I realize that you mean
"discretionary" comps. If you play enough at Stations/Fiesta, especially on multipoint
days, you will have a nice point balance which you can use for "free" meals.

Brian

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In a message dated 10/3/2007 3:04:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
belairgold@aol.com writes:

I agree Terra Rosa is good - you just cannot be comped for it anymore
for slot play-

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Good they will love you - Rampart comps through points at over twice
the rate and Coast is twice the rate. So you are right on multiple
points days it is OK, but with the lowest comp rate in the city, they
need discetionary comps to be competitive.

I count using points as being "comped." I realize that you mean
"discretionary" comps. If you play enough at Stations/Fiesta,

especially on multipoint

days, you will have a nice point balance which you can use

for "free" meals.

Brian

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In a message dated 10/3/2007 3:04:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
belairgold@... writes:

I agree Terra Rosa is good - you just cannot be comped for it

anymore

for slot play-

************************************** See what's new at

http://www.aol.com

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello, this is Nick. I have recently Left Harrahs[Ceasars Palace] and
now work for Station Casinos Corporate Casino Marketing. I have been
in the buisness for 17 years so some of you may know me. I saw this
post and just checked with the GM at Red Rock: To say we have
ELIMINATED discretionary comps is a mistake. Yes, the company's
priority is to use points first, of course. The points are not good
for any cash back, so I don't understand the overall concern. I do
know that if you are a good player and the casino is overall
profitable from your gaming, you can recieve a discretionary comp.
Especailly if you are an out of town slot player. I know you'll get
one from me! If you have been looking for me or haven't been to any
one of our Stations properties yet, please give me a call.
866.450.8001 X7701

Good they will love you - Rampart comps through points at over

twice

the rate and Coast is twice the rate. So you are right on multiple
points days it is OK, but with the lowest comp rate in the city,

they

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@...> wrote:

need discetionary comps to be competitive.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@ wrote:
>
>
> I count using points as being "comped." I realize that you mean
> "discretionary" comps. If you play enough at Stations/Fiesta,
especially on multipoint
> days, you will have a nice point balance which you can use
for "free" meals.
>
> Brian
>
> =========================================
>
> In a message dated 10/3/2007 3:04:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> belairgold@ writes:
>
>
> I agree Terra Rosa is good - you just cannot be comped for it
anymore
> for slot play-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's new at
http://www.aol.com
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I count using points as being "comped." I realize that you mean
"discretionary" comps. If you play enough at Stations/Fiesta,

especially on multipoint

days, you will have a nice point balance which you can use for

"free" meals.

Brian

=========================================

In a message dated 10/3/2007 3:04:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
belairgold@... writes:

I agree Terra Rosa is good - you just cannot be comped for it anymore
for slot play-

Unless this has changed in the last week, not true at all. I will say
this much, the discretionaries have gotten more difficult to obtain.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

This is why I send a private message to exchange information of a
sensitive nature. I encourage all of you to do the same. After all, we
always knew it wasn't only players that monitor this site.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ippolitonick" <ippolitonick@...> wrote:

Hello, this is Nick. I have recently Left Harrahs[Ceasars Palace]
and now work for Station Casinos Corporate Casino Marketing.

And why does Nice have a yahoo address rather than a Stations Casino address?

http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Great post Nick. Who is the GM of Red Rock. That idiot Ronan; or is
he gone?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ippolitonick" <ippolitonick@...>
wrote:

Hello, this is Nick. I have recently Left Harrahs[Ceasars Palace]

and

now work for Station Casinos Corporate Casino Marketing. I have

been

in the buisness for 17 years so some of you may know me. I saw

this

post and just checked with the GM at Red Rock: To say we have
ELIMINATED discretionary comps is a mistake. Yes, the company's
priority is to use points first, of course. The points are not

good

for any cash back, so I don't understand the overall concern. I do
know that if you are a good player and the casino is overall
profitable from your gaming, you can recieve a discretionary comp.
Especailly if you are an out of town slot player. I know you'll

get

one from me! If you have been looking for me or haven't been to

any

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one of our Stations properties yet, please give me a call.
866.450.8001 X7701

Nice? You mean Nick? El-oh-freaking-el. I am sure "Nick" will come
back and post his shift, so I can drive three miles and meet him face
to face.

And why does Nice have a yahoo address rather than a Stations Casino

address?

http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?

s_cid=wl_hotmailnews

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The out of towners are having their points pulled first - previously
the points were not pulled at all. Now you are saying the comps that
were previously based on play are now only available if you lose. No
local slot players are getting discretionary comps, not even
President and Chairman members. The problem was some hosts
overcomping Platinum members, but the applied this to everyone. The
problem is this, if you work for Harrah's, you know what Harrah's
comps per coin in - compare that to what Station comps on points
only - the lowest in Vegas, lower than Harrah's, lower than Coast and
lower than Rampart. That is the problem, you need the discretionary
comps just to have in combination a comp rate that is even passable.

But by you own admission the story is true - THIS WAS A CUT - PEOPLE
ARE GETTING LESS. Points cannot be used for cashback, but larger
players can use them for travel benefits or for comps at other
Stations properties where they have no play - for example I can go to
GVR and eat at Hank's or the Pancake House with my points - I can
keep them for a rainy day.

Do you want to talk about the shrinking amentity baskets for out of
towners? How about how Red Rock tried to increase the poker rake to
$5 and had to retreat with the head between their legs after the
poker room was empty?

Why is not having the points be used for cashback a badge of honor?
Coast and Rampart allow you to cash out the points. The Palms allow
high limit players to get XPC for their points. Coast and Rampart
also comp more per coin in -

They cannot cut their way to better
returns on Red Rock - they spent what $1 billion on an 800 room hotel
and they wonder why the ROIs are bad - so take it out on the
employees and customers? I'll give them the benefit of the doubt -
that some hosts were overcomping some players - why not deal with
that narrow problem, than such a drastic move?

You are in Station's corporate marketing - I hope you can help them,
because they are need it badly - they spend all their money
attracting people with $40 gaming budgets now while pissing off the
larger customers - how about eliminating their cheap gift program -
$10 gifts for people with $40 gaming budgets - brilliant - and then
tell the players who drop a few thousand per day they have to use
their points for food I can get more free play playing at MGM MIRAGE
and Wynn than Station and can use it all at once when I want, with
Station
they dole it out in little pieces - go forbid you can't get to the
casino and XPC day, you lose it, with MGM,Wynn, Coast and Rampart I
don't
lose it - how is this better?

And it is not the company's priority to use points first - it is a
new Red Rock policy -other Station properties are still giving
discretionary comps - it is that they want me know to pay for onyx
tile and the chandeliers -

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ippolitonick" <ippolitonick@...>
wrote:

Hello, this is Nick. I have recently Left Harrahs[Ceasars Palace]

and

now work for Station Casinos Corporate Casino Marketing. I have

been

in the buisness for 17 years so some of you may know me. I saw this
post and just checked with the GM at Red Rock: To say we have
ELIMINATED discretionary comps is a mistake. Yes, the company's
priority is to use points first, of course. The points are not good
for any cash back, so I don't understand the overall concern. I do
know that if you are a good player and the casino is overall
profitable from your gaming, you can recieve a discretionary comp.
Especailly if you are an out of town slot player. I know you'll get
one from me! If you have been looking for me or haven't been to any
one of our Stations properties yet, please give me a call.
866.450.8001 X7701

>
> Good they will love you - Rampart comps through points at over
twice
> the rate and Coast is twice the rate. So you are right on

multiple

> points days it is OK, but with the lowest comp rate in the city,
they
> need discetionary comps to be competitive.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > I count using points as being "comped." I realize that you

mean

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caplatinum" <belairgold@> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@ wrote:
> > "discretionary" comps. If you play enough at Stations/Fiesta,
> especially on multipoint
> > days, you will have a nice point balance which you can use
> for "free" meals.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > =========================================
> >
> > In a message dated 10/3/2007 3:04:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > belairgold@ writes:
> >
> >
> > I agree Terra Rosa is good - you just cannot be comped for it
> anymore
> > for slot play-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************** See what's new at
> http://www.aol.com
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

I'm glad Nick is here, now he can try to defend the indefensible-

>
> Hello, this is Nick. I have recently Left Harrahs[Ceasars Palace]
>and now work for Station Casinos Corporate Casino Marketing.

This is why I send a private message to exchange information of a
sensitive nature. I encourage all of you to do the same. After all,

we

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf15251" <npf15251@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ippolitonick" <ippolitonick@> wrote:
always knew it wasn't only players that monitor this site.

Ronan is still there-

Great post Nick. Who is the GM of Red Rock. That idiot Ronan; or is
he gone?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ippolitonick" <ippolitonick@>
wrote:
>
> Hello, this is Nick. I have recently Left Harrahs[Ceasars Palace]
and
> now work for Station Casinos Corporate Casino Marketing. I have
been
> in the buisness for 17 years so some of you may know me. I saw
this
> post and just checked with the GM at Red Rock: To say we have
> ELIMINATED discretionary comps is a mistake. Yes, the company's
> priority is to use points first, of course. The points are not
good
> for any cash back, so I don't understand the overall concern. I

do

> know that if you are a good player and the casino is overall
> profitable from your gaming, you can recieve a discretionary

comp.

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@...> wrote:

> Especailly if you are an out of town slot player. I know you'll
get
> one from me! If you have been looking for me or haven't been to
any
> one of our Stations properties yet, please give me a call.
> 866.450.8001 X7701
>

Nobody ever posts 'sensitive' information to this group. So, I don't
understand why you are stating the obvious.

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On 10/4/07, npf15251 <npf15251@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ippolitonick" <ippolitonick@...> wrote:
> Hello, this is Nick. I have recently Left Harrahs[Ceasars Palace]
>and now work for Station Casinos Corporate Casino Marketing.

This is why I send a private message to exchange information of a
sensitive nature. I encourage all of you to do the same. After all, we
always knew it wasn't only players that monitor this site.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If "Nick" really works for Stations Casino Marketing, Id like him to
know that it has to be the worst marketing Ive seen to date. Green
Valley wins top honors for being the worst station casino due to the
horrible buffet, horrible lounge, horrible drink service, horrible
casino layout and lack of any decent machines if by chance you cant
get on their "optimum play." This wasnt always the case but Ive
played there for the last 3 years, on almost a daily basis, and have
seen it go downhill. By the way, who was the genious that actually
thought guaranteed play would actually work? Myself and others have
made it a point not to step foot in another station casino.

Nobody ever posts 'sensitive' information to this group. So, I

don't

understand why you are stating the obvious.

>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ippolitonick" <ippolitonick@>

wrote:

> > Hello, this is Nick. I have recently Left Harrahs[Ceasars

Palace]

> >and now work for Station Casinos Corporate Casino Marketing.
>
> This is why I send a private message to exchange information of a
> sensitive nature. I encourage all of you to do the same. After

all, we

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@...> wrote:

On 10/4/07, npf15251 <npf15251@...> wrote:
> always knew it wasn't only players that monitor this site.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Marvel, they must of had some pretty good marketing skills before,
because as horrible as you make it out to be. They got you to go in
everyday for the last 3 years...LOL :wink:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "marvele66" <marvele66@...> wrote:

If "Nick" really works for Stations Casino Marketing, Id like him to
know that it has to be the worst marketing Ive seen to date. Green
Valley wins top honors for being the worst station casino due to the
horrible buffet, horrible lounge, horrible drink service, horrible
casino layout and lack of any decent machines if by chance you cant
get on their "optimum play." This wasnt always the case but Ive
played there for the last 3 years, on almost a daily basis, and have
seen it go downhill. By the way, who was the genious that actually
thought guaranteed play would actually work? Myself and others have
made it a point not to step foot in another station casino.

It's probably best to speak for yourself instead of making statements
using the word "nobody" which implies others who you do not speak for.

I could give random examples of posts, but that would only further tip
off management to issues which this site has apparently already made
them aware.

My statement stands. If you don't want casino management to know
something, then send it as a private message to another member rather
than posting it here.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@...> wrote:

Nobody ever posts 'sensitive' information to this group. So, I don't
understand why you are stating the obvious.

Speaking for myself, I have never seen a post to this Group by
anyone that contained "sensitive" information. But, then again,
I guess it depends on what you consider "sensitive" information.

This thread was about Red Rock's elimination of discretionary
comps. Personally, I don't find this to be "sensitive" information.

And, once again, you stated the obvious when you said, "....If you
don't want casino management to know something, then send it
as a private message to another member rather than posting it here."

Duh.

And, even if you send an email privately, it still could get posted
to this Group. I've seen it happen where someone will reply to a
personal email, quoting the email, by posting to vpFREE.

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On 10/5/07, npf15251 <npf15251@yahoo.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@...> wrote:
> Nobody ever posts 'sensitive' information to this group. So, I don't
> understand why you are stating the obvious.

It's probably best to speak for yourself instead of making statements
using the word "nobody" which implies others who you do not speak for.

I could give random examples of posts, but that would only further tip
off management to issues which this site has apparently already made
them aware.

My statement stands. If you don't want casino management to know
something, then send it as a private message to another member rather
than posting it here.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
> If "Nick" really works for Stations Casino Marketing, Id like him

to

> know that it has to be the worst marketing Ive seen to date.

Green

> Valley wins top honors for being the worst station casino due to

the

> horrible buffet, horrible lounge, horrible drink service,

horrible

> casino layout and lack of any decent machines if by chance you

cant

> get on their "optimum play." This wasnt always the case but Ive
> played there for the last 3 years, on almost a daily basis, and

have

> seen it go downhill. By the way, who was the genious that

actually

> thought guaranteed play would actually work? Myself and others

have

> made it a point not to step foot in another station casino.
>
>
Marvel, they must of had some pretty good marketing skills before,
because as horrible as you make it out to be. They got you to go in
everyday for the last 3 years...LOL :wink:

Station gets people because of a lack of competition - in Green
Valley where are you going to go? - Sunset - they own that , Fiesta
Henderson, they own that. They have a little more competition in
Summerlin and they compete with themselves if you are willing to get
in - a car - Red Rock and GVR tend to be least promotional, so right
now you can get 5x points most of the month at Sante Fe and I think
Boulder might be doing this too and Palace Station is doing a
different promo with free play - but with the points you can use them
anywhere. Occassionally, Station has some decent promos - but what
they did at Red Rock is an abomination - I think they have 14 hosts
there - if they can't issue comps and 80% of their casino business is
local slots - what are these people going to do - how do you justify
paying all of them?

And Nick, Harrah's - Station once they LBO it is all the same thing,
cut, cut, and cut, and squeeze, squeeze, squeeze to make interest
payments - you may have jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.

Sad too - because Station treats their employees much better than
Harrah's, but now they will be a slave to the bond markets. There was
a brief moment when I thought the Station LBO would be good for
customers because without the need to make short-term earnings
number, they could make long term investments, but the results are
probably starting to suffer with the downturn in the real estate
market here and now it is cut - cut -cut - when you cut so much, that
your revenues go away though - you are going to have one ugly
situation

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "marvele66" <marvele66@> wrote:

Who is being tipped off here, management made the policy it is not a
secret to them

>
> Nobody ever posts 'sensitive' information to this group. So, I

don't

> understand why you are stating the obvious.

It's probably best to speak for yourself instead of making

statements

using the word "nobody" which implies others who you do not speak

for.

I could give random examples of posts, but that would only further

tip

off management to issues which this site has apparently already

made

them aware.

My statement stands. If you don't want casino management to know
something, then send it as a private message to another member

rather

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "npf15251" <npf15251@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@> wrote:
than posting it here.

Marketing had nothing to do with it. Just convenience(down the
street) and a decent staff at one point. I do most of my play
downtown now, the 15-20 minute drive doesnt kill me or my pocketbook.

>
> If "Nick" really works for Stations Casino Marketing, Id like him

to

> know that it has to be the worst marketing Ive seen to date.

Green

> Valley wins top honors for being the worst station casino due to

the

> horrible buffet, horrible lounge, horrible drink service,

horrible

> casino layout and lack of any decent machines if by chance you

cant

> get on their "optimum play." This wasnt always the case but Ive
> played there for the last 3 years, on almost a daily basis, and

have

> seen it go downhill. By the way, who was the genious that

actually

> thought guaranteed play would actually work? Myself and others

have

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bobby G" <Concretbob@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "marvele66" <marvele66@> wrote:
> made it a point not to step foot in another station casino.
>
>
Marvel, they must of had some pretty good marketing skills before,
because as horrible as you make it out to be. They got you to go in
everyday for the last 3 years...LOL :wink:

To be fair, GVR is a joint venture between Station and the Greenspun
group; or whatver they call themslves. I think the same group is
building Alliante Station. Maybe they think that because they
perceive an area to be "affluent", they can offer poor games to the
lemmings.

Surprise, surprise. It doesn't work that way. Guaranteed VP is a
flop; anyone want to dispute that? Machines go to ZERO revenue, when
merely offering 99% to 100% games generates revenue.

I guess Lorenzo and Frank must believe in idiots that think 100% of
ZERO means something. Hey L and F; I will do that job for a mere
$100,000 a year and then pack the places with VP players. Even the
so-called "burn out artists" would not be able to stay away. Some
will win. Most will lose.

If "Nick" really works for Stations Casino Marketing, Id like him

to

know that it has to be the worst marketing Ive seen to date. Green
Valley wins top honors for being the worst station casino due to

the

horrible buffet, horrible lounge, horrible drink service, horrible
casino layout and lack of any decent machines if by chance you

cant

get on their "optimum play." This wasnt always the case but Ive
played there for the last 3 years, on almost a daily basis, and

have

seen it go downhill. By the way, who was the genious that actually
thought guaranteed play would actually work? Myself and others

have

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "marvele66" <marvele66@...> wrote:

made it a point not to step foot in another station casino.