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Rob Singer and Bob Dancer...not so different?

#21

<<Oh, and I forgot to add in, MY results follow an 87% success rate and over
$645,000 in profits. That, of course, does not count the comps, freebies,
cash back, coupons, phoney tournament EV, giveaway EV, and all that other
stuff people like you like to add in at highly inflated values just to be
able to say you've had winning years.>>

It's possible you have profits, but it's more likely you're lying. In any
case you've refused over and over again to wager on the future results of
your system, proving you're not so much of a quack as a charlatan, since you
know full well it's the road to ruin.

As for cashback and tournament and drawing winnings, that's real money. Just
because you're not smart enough to add two numbers doesn't mean no one is.
Nobody counts comps to say they've had winning years.

Where's my $2 million?

Cogno

#22

<<That's what baffles you about my strategy and why you shouldn't be
discounting it unless & until you know everything about it. But I'm a bit
surprised at how you put your question. It's video poker. Anything can
happen, and just as in any negative situation in life, you can turn it into
a positive with the right moves at the right times, even though you can't do
it on paper. Remember, the strategy is all about taking advantage of the
luck afforded, and the special plays are inserted to increase the amount and
intensity of that good fortune.>>

Bwahahaha!

* The simplest understanding of math proves what you claim is impossible
* You have been proven to be a liar, fraud, and welsher
* You always refuse to take bets on future results with your snake-oil
system

What can we conclude?

Where's the $2 million you owe me? I will send Bob Dancer over to Wynn to
meet you and pick it up for me. You can wrap it in a copy of Gaming Today.
Bring an extra copy, I have some fish I need to wrap too.

Cogno

#23

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@c...>
wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>However, if you really cared about how others used your
> system you would collect data on your web site on their results.
>You obviously don't want to know because then you'd have to admit
>your system is a fraud.

Now why would I do something geeky like that, esp. when I couldn't
care less about how anyone else does? Try to make some sense.

You wouldn't do it because YOU KNOW it would clearly demonstrate your
system is a fraud.

It's also nice to see you admit "I couldn't care less about how
anyone else does". If you really wanted to help other people as
you've claimed many times, then you would NEVER make a statement like
this.

> > That, of course, does not count the comps,
> > freebies, cash back, coupons, phoney tournament EV, giveaway

EV,

and
> > all that other stuff people like you like to add in at highly
> > inflated values just to be able to say you've had winning years.
>
> The very same things you claimed you ignored because you were

above

> that and they were casino traps for addiction. Another lie I take
it.

I guess you need this spelled out again. I don't use a card when I
play my single-play strategy. I do with the others. I never play

for

slot club goals or get all excited like you do when triple point

days

come along, or when they're giving out free beanie caps with
propellers after 100 points are earned.

Ho hum. In other words, you were lying previously or, at best,
telling a half-truth.

> He has clearly PROVED that you owe him 2,000,000 dollars. I see

you

> haven't changed anything and are still reneging on your bets
EXACTLY as
> you did last year.

You're two of a kind, and I get double-satisfaction out of making
either one of you look stupid. the best part is there's not a heck

of

a lot of effort required. Now see if you can get the fool to pay me.

Nothng changes with you. EVERY single person whose followed this
thread knows without a single doubt that you lost the bets (we can
read). Your monkey boy antics can't change that fact one iota. So,
posture all you want and continue looking like a complete fool. It
will only make those comtemplating your system think twice about it.
And, by the way, that is my ONLY goal in these dicussions.

#24

I know ALL I need to know. This is where simple addition come into
play. Anyones' results are simply the SUM of the results of all the
individuals hands. If you know the expectation of these individual
hands then adding up these expectations gives you the overall
expectation. This is as simple as it gets and NOTHING, no system,
no snake oil, no "special plays" can EVER change that FACT.

You know all you WANT to know, which leads me to believe you lead the
type of life that limits oneself in one's knowledge attainment. I
think the word for that is 'underachiever' - a condition that my play
strategy's development has help me overcome.

There is no way for "total wins" to
exceed "total losses" playing a negative expectation game and YOU
KNOW THAT. Your answer is as phoney as any typical scam perpetrator.

It's all snake oil.

You know, I've seen you and one or two others write down the
words 'snake oil' for going on 6 years now, and I have yet to find a
definition of it. Is it some kind of carth-all phrase that nerds like
to use when they become dumbfounded and aren't able to converse on
the subject?
You're wrong on your statement too. My 'total wins' are waaaay ahead
of my 'total losses', even if you include my losing expert-play
years. So I don't KNOW THAT, and you shouldn't either. The world
isn't made out of a piece of paper with plain numbers going into
infinity written on it.

You try to compare a "negative situation in life" to VP.

What a joke. How can you possibly compare the loss of a loved one

(an

obvious negative situation) with playing VP? Absurb and more
importantly fraudulent. It preys on hope, which is not unlike some

of

the scams currently being perpetrated on the Katrina hurricane

victims.

I'd say that you're being a statistical geek disqualifies yourself
from ever understanding the human side of life in general. Thus, you
would never, ever be able to comprehend what I said--and you're reply
shows it.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#25

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

It's possible you have profits, but it's more likely you're lying. In
anycase you've refused over and over again to wager on the future
results ofyour system, proving you're not so much of a quack as a
charlatan, since you know full well it's the road to ruin.

Oh.........I see. Now it's possible, but you still want it to be
that "I'm lying". That matters about as much to me as the importance of
having a bozo watch me play a session and then criticize me for winning
afterwards. And what's a 'road to ruin'? I'm not like the dufuses in
LV. My gaming bankroll is in a separate bank and totally separate from
living funds. Most all so-called 'advantage players' dump their grocery
money this week, their car payment the next, and all for what? Because
they were roped in, chewed up and spit out by a casino managers
purposeful promotion. Problem gamblers at their finest hours!

As for cashback and tournament and drawing winnings, that's real
money. Justbecause you're not smart enough to add two numbers doesn't
mean no one is. Nobody counts comps to say they've had winning years.

Sure that's real money and you hever saw me write that it wasn't. It's
just not gambling winnings, which is what AP's desperately require in
order to help create a winning year out of a total loser.

#26

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

Where's the $2 million you owe me? I will send Bob Dancer over to

Wynn to meet you and pick it up for me. You can wrap it in a copy of
Gaming Today. Bring an extra copy, I have some fish I need to wrap too.

It only works with Lobster. Those claws can't rip thru the
truth....just like you.

#27

It's also nice to see you admit "I couldn't care less about how
anyone else does". If you really wanted to help other people as
you've claimed many times, then you would NEVER make a statement
like this.

Another predictable disconnect. I ALWAYS want to help other people do
better & it's what I try to do. However, if they become rich by it I
want nor get no benefit, and if they ruin I don't give them my money.
That's called R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-L-I-T-Y.

Ho hum. In other words, you were lying previously or, at best,
telling a half-truth.

.....Or more likely, you never understood straight talk.
   

It will only make those comtemplating your system think twice about
it. And, by the way, that is my ONLY goal in these dicussions.

Your only goal as determined by neurosis. I have a goal too. It's
called The Undeniable Truth!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#28

<<You know, I've seen you and one or two others write down the words 'snake
oil' for going on 6 years now, and I have yet to find a definition of it.>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil

There's a wonderful new web site called Google.

Where's the $2 million you owe me?

Cogno

#29

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil

There's a wonderful new web site called Google.

Like a master practicing with the little people, Singer beckons and
Congo calls.

Where's the $million you owe me?

#30

<<Now it's possible, but you still want it to be that "I'm lying".>>

My guess is you're lying, since you've been caught in so many lies before,
but it doesn't really matter. Of course it's possible for you to have
parlayed $150,000 into $800,000 using a progression on negative games. It's
just not likely. And the fact that you won't take a bet on future results
proves your system is a fraud and you know it is.

<<And what's a 'road to ruin'?>>

Not a difficult metaphor even for a small brain like yours. It means you're
bound to go broke following the Singer Snake Oil System.

<< I'm not like the dufuses in LV.>>

No, you are a dufus unto yourself. A pigeon in your own mind.

<< My gaming bankroll is in a separate bank and totally separate from living
funds.>>

Like running home and touching the wall between sessions, this magically
transforms you from a loser to a winner?

<< Most all so-called 'advantage players' dump their grocery money this
week, their car payment the next, and all for what? Because they were roped
in, chewed up and spit out by a casino managers purposeful promotion.
Problem gamblers at their finest hours!>>

You don't seem to understand that "advantage players" are winners. They
don't "spend" their gambling money; they increase it.

<<Sure that's real money and you hever saw me write that it wasn't. It's
just not gambling winnings, which is what AP's desperately require in order
to help create a winning year out of a total loser. >>

Of course it's gambling winnings. Cash back and drawings are part of the
equation. No smart player would play a negative game without something to
bring the return over 100%.

The desperate one is you.

Where's the $2 million you owe me?

Cogno

#31

<<Where's the $million you owe me?>>

You lost two bets, one for a million and one for two million. You are a
liar, fraud, and welsher.

Cogno

#32

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti"
<cognoscienti@g...> wrote:

<<Now it's possible, but you still want it to be that "I'm lying".>>

My guess is you're lying, since you've been caught in so many lies
before,but it doesn't really matter.

And that's exactly why you want it to be that I'm lying. I've never
lied about anything, and no one has ever 'caught me' in something I
have not done. But you can't live with that FACT, so you need it to
be that i'm lying. that's quite a circle of terror you've gotten
yourself into.

My gaming bankroll is in a separate bank and totally separate
from living funds.

Like running home and touching the wall between sessions, this

magically transforms you from a loser to a winner?

Huh???

You don't seem to understand that "advantage players" are winners.

Oh, that's right. They make $30/hour whether they lose 4 grand or
not, because "it's a POSITIVE play", or, "I didn't win anything at
the positive EV tournament, but I made $1250 phantom bucks". The old
pahntom money trick. That'll certainly pay the bills and buy a new
car or two!
  

Of course it's gambling winnings. Cash back and drawings are part

of the equation. No smart player would play a negative game without
something to bring the return over 100%.

....or something to cover their back with inflamed value so they can
say they had yet another 'winning year'. Truly, a sigh of desparation.

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Where's the $million you owe me?

#33

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

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<<Where's the $million you owe me? You lost, you know it, now pay up!

#34

<<I've never lied about anything, and no one has ever 'caught me' in
something I have not done.>>

Out of your many lies, the first one that comes to mind is that you were
caught lying about not posting under aliases. You've been caught both by
Stanford Wong and the vpFREE admin. You lie about your system producing
positive expectation. You lie about advantage play NOT producing positive
expectation. You lie about the circumstances under which you've been
challenged to prove your system works. You lie about why you won't let
anyone watch you play.

Now you're lying about losing our bet.

Would you like to have a judge decide if I won the bet?

You see, the big lie only works until you run smack into reality.

Cogno

#35

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

Out of your many lies, the first one that comes to mind is that you
werecaught lying about not posting under aliases. You've been caught
both by Stanford Wong and the vpFREE admin.

Two of your many cases of reasoning based on selective deduction.
Stanford Wong SAYS I was using an alias because he couldn't live with
the fact that the other guy actually agreed with me. He in fact was the
liar. As far as vpFREE goes, I told you about it already and there
again was no lie. So you're wrong there too. How do you live with
yourself making things up like this?

You lie about your system producing positive expectation.

Absolutely not. I say my play strategy wins very consistently, which it
does for me, and BECAUSE I'm able to do that my overall play has been
highly positive. If you knew anything about utilizing historicals for
projections, you'd clearly see why I continue to expect to win in the
future. Wrong again!

You lie about advantage play NOT producing positive expectation.

The undeniable truth is that it's a loser for sure. the more one plays
the more one will lose, barring extreme good luck.

You lie about the circumstances under which you've been
challenged to prove your system works. You lie about why you won't let
anyone watch you play.

Old news. The only lie is in how you wrote it.

Now you're lying about losing our bet.

You lost. Pay up.

Would you like to have a judge decide if I won the bet?

Don't need to. You lost and tried to cheat your way out. Now pay up or
else....

#36

So your brilliant response to every one of these accusations is "no I
didn't." Yet they are all true.

If there's anyone left who gives you a shred of credibility they can just
look at the $2 million issue. It's all recorded right here in the group.
It's easy to conclude you're equally lying about everything else.

Cogno

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-----Original Message-----
From: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FREEvpF…@…com] On
Behalf Of rsing1111
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:19 PM
To: FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FREEvpFREE] Re:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

Out of your many lies, the first one that comes to mind is that you
werecaught lying about not posting under aliases. You've been caught
both by Stanford Wong and the vpFREE admin.

Two of your many cases of reasoning based on selective deduction.
Stanford Wong SAYS I was using an alias because he couldn't live with the
fact that the other guy actually agreed with me. He in fact was the liar. As
far as vpFREE goes, I told you about it already and there again was no lie.
So you're wrong there too. How do you live with yourself making things up
like this?

You lie about your system producing positive expectation.

Absolutely not. I say my play strategy wins very consistently, which it does
for me, and BECAUSE I'm able to do that my overall play has been highly
positive. If you knew anything about utilizing historicals for projections,
you'd clearly see why I continue to expect to win in the future. Wrong
again!

You lie about advantage play NOT producing positive expectation.

The undeniable truth is that it's a loser for sure. the more one plays the
more one will lose, barring extreme good luck.

You lie about the circumstances under which you've been challenged to
prove your system works. You lie about why you won't let anyone watch
you play.

Old news. The only lie is in how you wrote it.

Now you're lying about losing our bet.

You lost. Pay up.

Would you like to have a judge decide if I won the bet?

Don't need to. You lost and tried to cheat your way out. Now pay up or
else....

vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm

Yahoo! Groups Links

#37

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

So your brilliant response to every one of these accusations is "no I

didn't." Yet they are all true.

Not true. Ask me not some critic and you'll always get the truth.

If there's anyone left who gives you a shred of credibility they can
just look at the $2 million issue. It's all recorded right here in the
group. It's easy to conclude you're equally lying about everything
else.

It's a $1million issue, and if I were you I'd start thinking seriously
about paying up. Not in phantom bucks. CASH!

#38

If there's anyone left who gives you a shred of credibility they can
just look at the $2 million issue. It's all recorded right here in the
group. It's easy to conclude you're equally lying about everything
else.

<<It's a $1million issue, and if I were you I'd start thinking seriously
about paying up. Not in phantom bucks. CASH!>>

OK. Let's take it before a judge.

Cogno

#39

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@g...>
wrote:

<<It's a $1million issue, and if I were you I'd start thinking
seriously about paying up. Not in phantom bucks. CASH!>>

OK. Let's take it before a judge.

Judge Dredd is my choice to hear the case.

#40

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rsing1111" <rsinger1111@c...>
wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> I know ALL I need to know. This is where simple addition come

into

> play. Anyones' results are simply the SUM of the results of all

the

> individuals hands. If you know the expectation of these

individual

> hands then adding up these expectations gives you the overall
> expectation. This is as simple as it gets and NOTHING, no system,
>no snake oil, no "special plays" can EVER change that FACT.

You know all you WANT to know, which leads me to believe you lead

the

type of life that limits oneself in one's knowledge attainment. I
think the word for that is 'underachiever' - a condition that my

play

strategy's development has help me overcome.

That's ALL you have to counter my perfectly clear and undeniable
argurment? Monkey Boy at his best! Just admit you have no clue
whatsoever and pay Cogno his 2 million.

> There is no way for "total wins" to
> exceed "total losses" playing a negative expectation game and YOU
>KNOW THAT. Your answer is as phoney as any typical scam

perpetrator.

It's all snake oil.

You know, I've seen you and one or two others write down the
words 'snake oil' for going on 6 years now, and I have yet to find

a

definition of it. Is it some kind of carth-all phrase that nerds

like

to use when they become dumbfounded and aren't able to converse on
the subject?

Since Cogno already straightened you out here I don't have to.
However, if you really have never heard of "snake oil" before, then
you must have been institutionalized for decades.

You're wrong on your statement too. My 'total wins' are waaaay

ahead

of my 'total losses', even if you include my losing expert-play
years.

So, you say. Given your track record of lies it gets harder and
harder to believe. However, I was speaking GENERALLY. So, let me make
it more accurate. For the vast majority of players there is no way
for "total wins" to exceed "total losses" playing a negative
expectation game and YOU KNOW THAT. To keep it simple for your simple
mind, let's use 95% as the number of players who will lose and 5% as
the number that will win. Conversely, with advantage play, those
numbers are pretty much reversed.

So I don't KNOW THAT, and you shouldn't either. The world
isn't made out of a piece of paper with plain numbers going into
infinity written on it.

Are you sure? You don't understand how the world operates, do you?
You have no idea that mathematics correctly describes everything you
deal with on a day to day basis. Even the strange way your brain
operates.

You try to compare a "negative situation in life" to VP.
> What a joke. How can you possibly compare the loss of a loved one
(an
> obvious negative situation) with playing VP? Absurb and more
> importantly fraudulent. It preys on hope, which is not unlike

some

of
> the scams currently being perpetrated on the Katrina hurricane
victims.

I'd say that you're being a statistical geek disqualifies yourself
from ever understanding the human side of life in general. Thus,

you

would never, ever be able to comprehend what I said--and you're

reply

shows it.

No, what my replies shows very clearly is just how ridiculous you've
become. And, what is you response. Zilch, nothing but another attempt
to deflect the debate from the truth about your scam systems.