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#101

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
1. Who cares if they win playing "over time"? I, just like EVER
NORMAL GAMBLER ON EARTH, wants to win EVERY SESSION I PLAY! The

fact

that I win ALMOST every one of them presents waaay more than enough
examples to render ANY stupid math model saying otherwise, useless.

Hello, "over time" is just the sum of all your individual sessions.
So you really do care if you win "over tiime". Once again I could
care less about unproven individual results. They mean nothing.

2. Unlike you, I will submit the following, and after you check it
out (if you can afford the postage/phone bills on a retiree's
income) let me know so I can publicly ridicule in both Gaming Today
and the Star Tribune (you DO know where that paper is I hope).
MBA, 3.4gpa, graduated 5/77, Boston College. And BTW--your Simple
Statistics was not part of the graduate program. It was advanced,
and apparently, too advanced for your Simple Mind.

I guess you must be getting senile then since you've clearly forgot
what they taught you.

>
> Funny, that's exactly my opinion of you. However, at least
advantage play folks are telling the truth, unlike you.

Very original.

And true.

>
> I am STILL not promoting a system and therefore have nothing to
> prove. You on the other hand keep hiding your head in that rectal
> orifice of yours and trying any and everything to avoid looking
like the liar you are. Feel free to challenge me another 1000 times
> because it means nothing. You are considered a liar until you

show

> factual proof of the existence of promised mathematicians.

You are promoting long-term strategy, but I understand why you

don't

want to be known as such. Your inexperience is overwhelming.

Support

your credentials and get closure. Too much of a coward to do so?
That's OK, because I understand people who like to hide behind

their

computers and criticize successful people.

Since you keep harping on this, let's discuss the facts. I'm the only
one here using my real name, if you want information on me first you
need to disclose YOUR real name.

>
> Never said that. You're such an idiot. You should really take a
> reading comprehension course.

Of course you would not come right out and say ANYTHING. That's

your

game--be cloudy, meely-mouthed, and make believe you actually said
something comprehensible. And then you get heated up when caught.

I haven't been caught in anything. You, on the other hand, have been
caught in several lies.

>
> What you really mean is that YOU can't put it into words.

You mean you have to resort to COPYING what I just wrote?

Just the facts man.

Your efforts to classify me using your delusional thought processes
have failed miserably and you don't know what to do about it.

Classify? These are passing inputs. You and I both know you're
nobody important, and that you get that oh so important feeling
trading e-mails with me.

I wouldn't waste my time trading emails with you. This is an open
internet forum (and pretty much a waste of my time anyway).

>
> How about something new. Prove your Flat Earth system changes a
> negative expectation in a positive one.

Not sure what a Flat Earth System is.

A system based on denying science fact.

But how are you on believing
in historical data? At what point do the examples you criticize
because you don't want to believe in them, overcome your neurosis
with math models? Read my site's listing of historical events. 225
incidents, over $600k of profit, almost all negative games, 1
catastrophic loss along with only one phenominal win, early-on
verification by both publishers, and a longevity of nearly 8 years.

How many times will it take to get through your dense skull. ONE
individuals results means NOTHING. Remember the lottery analogy.
You're just like someone who won the lottery going around and telling
everyone that it's easy.

Plunk that info into your "theoretical math model" and then see why
you have to call me a liar rather than accept the facts as they
really are. It'll all boil down to your not WANTING any of it to be
true because it would both create a more real enormous state of
jealousy on your part, as well as put your so-called mathematical
mind into some unrecognizeable tilt mode--causing you to nearly

lose

what's left of your mind after all these years.

Once again, I'm looking for a proof that your flat earth system can
overcome mathematical fact and provide winning results for those who
uses it. Your continual attempts to dodge this simple request is
strong evidence that you are a liar and a fraud.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#102

Hello, "over time" is just the sum of all your individual sessions.

You should know better than that by now. That's the supreme fallacy
of those who live in the confused world of long-term fantasyland.
Besides, most of them don't play anyway--they just talk about it and
draw up calculations. They play only when they have enough spare
change to go out and do it, then they say they use 'optimal play'
just so they can feel better about losing. The ones who waste their
time with it by hanging around casinos constantly are mainly the big
mouths who write about it all the time and can't stay away too long,
just to get other people's money into their pockets.

I guess you must be getting senile then since you've clearly forgot
what they taught you.

Everybody gets senile. You're living proof.

Since you keep harping on this, let's discuss the facts. I'm the

only one here using my real name, if you want information on me first
you need to disclose YOUR real name.

Where have you told us your 'real' name? Dick? Mine is Rob. Why don't
you complain about Dancer, Hughes, the Queen, etc. NONE of them use
real names at all, yet they take money from more players than you can
count.

I wouldn't waste my time trading emails with you. This is an open
internet forum (and pretty much a waste of my time anyway).

Name something better you have to do besides chop wood.

  
> Not sure what a Flat Earth System is.
A system based on denying science fact.

Well, then that's the balls-on description of long-term strategy. The
science is that no living human could ever approach a significant
enough perfection to yield results anywhere close enough in order for
the theory to be applicable or beneficial.

How many times will it take to get through your dense skull. ONE
individuals results means NOTHING. Remember the lottery analogy.
You're just like someone who won the lottery going around and

telling everyone that it's easy.

You're soooo confused on this point. Since the entire strategy was
designed for only MY particular circumstances, MY results are the
ONLY ones that matter. In such a case, when variables are
significantly reduced, over 200 events is more than plenty for your
science to kick in. The lottery you keep talking about is played
without systems, strategies, and has no interaction with humans.
Numbers are drawn and your pre-printed ticket wins or loses. It's
only easy AFTER you've won. I don't experience that. I go in
expecting to win every time because my strategy IS easy to win with.

Once again, I'm looking for a proof that your flat earth system can
overcome mathematical fact and provide winning results for those

who uses it. Your continual attempts to dodge this simple request is

strong evidence that you are a liar and a fraud.

Read the above input. It's obvious what you're saying here is that
YOU would in no way have the intelligence, capability, discipline,
determination, bankroll or other necessary personal circumstances to
be successful with my Play Strategy, so out of that frustration you
claim I'm a liar & fraud. Now tell me who I am defrauding? And how do
I do it? My first book doesn't tell people to play as I do--it's main
theme is the expose' on long-term strategy. My 2nd book basically
talks of none of how I play. My site has my play strategies available
for free. I meet with hundreds of people, at my expense and sometimes
play with my money, who contact me and ask me to show them how I play
because they haven't been successful with that stupid math way of
playing--or they don't have time to sit there all day and play. I
refuse to accept payment from GT for my articles. And I sell nothing
to anyone other than books--for which I keep none of the Royalties
on. So tell me again where I'm defrauding others.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#103

Having followed this 2 or 3 way conversation for some time now, I am
convinced that Rob Singer is a complete sham.
He has NEVER allowed anyone to see what he does and he has NEVER
provided documentation or proof for any of his wild claims.
If, in fact, he won as much as he claimed, he would come to Las Vegas
in his private jet and be met by his Chauffered personal Rolls Royce.
He also devotes time and effort to writing a column (can't pay much)
rather than using the time to further enhance his fortune by playing
and winning all that money. A complete SHAM.

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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 11:26:31 -0000, you wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>
> I doubt this very much. Please give supporting evidence. There

are

> some arguments for playing full coin, but not many if the payback
is
> significantly less than 100%. If the CB + BB + comps is enough to
> make the game positive, then full coin would be appropriate. Most
> folks will tell you not to play if the game is too bad.

I don't understand what it is that you doubt. I believe we are
agreeing on what properly understood 'advantage play' recommends,
which is not to play or, if you must, to put less money on negative
games -i.e.: one coin- so as to lose less in the long term. You

want

supporting evidence that some 'serious VP players' tell you to play
full coin in negative games so as to take advantage of the royal
premium? Well, that is too long for me to do. Just go to VP places
and put 'short coin' or 'one coin' on the search engine and you

will

find tons and tons of evidence.

If you mean "serious VP players" that have no clue about payback,
expert play, etc. then I agree wholeheartedly. So what? I always
chuckle when I hear this from people who clearly have no idea what
they are talking about.

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#104

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott Shapiro <videopoker@m...>
wrote:

SHAMe on you Elliott for your glaring inaccuracies in what you say
here. Here's why:

1. If you really followed this thread as you say you do, you'd have
seen where I provided proof of bank account info (withdrawals nearly
weekly of $17,200, and deposits of more than that after play was
complete) to my publishers almost 4 years ago, and I played one
session (which i know means as little as watching you play 16 hours a
day) for each of their representatives. Other than that, please tell
me how YOU would go about showing proof of YOUR's or anyone else's
claims of winning that's more conclusive than what I did. And I don't
cloud my approach up with nebulous team play using 'other people's
money', or manupulating a for-pay job effort into some sort of guru-
style of winning.

2. Private Jet and RR limo, on around $100k/year average winnings?
What I do is rent a car every time I go anywhere in Nevada, which is
more in-line with how much I profit from it all.

3. The column is written solely to get the Truth out to as many
people as possible--as our my books. The pay is zero--I told GT I
didn't need the money because of my success as a vp expert. The
reason I live over here and not over there is, because unlike you and
the rest of the local 'advantage play' crowd in town, I will not
allow myself to be played like a puppet by all the casino promotions
you people blindly chase after every day like forlorn addicts until
your last dime is spent. No, I don't expect you or any of your crowd
to admit to this, but you all know what I'm saying. Just ask Yuri--
everyone's past hero who had THE mathematical system that just
couldn't lose.

Having followed this 2 or 3 way conversation for some time now, I am
convinced that Rob Singer is a complete sham.
He has NEVER allowed anyone to see what he does and he has NEVER
provided documentation or proof for any of his wild claims.
If, in fact, he won as much as he claimed, he would come to Las

Vegasin his private jet and be met by his Chauffered personal Rolls
Royce.He also devotes time and effort to writing a column (can't pay
much)rather than using the time to further enhance his fortune by
playingand winning all that money. A complete SHAM.

#105

No, there are many self-appointed experts in different places that
pontificate about things. They do know stuff, and I could not
say "they have no idea what they are talking about". Not everyone is
as carful with their language as the well-known gurus, and people get
so enthusiastic with the lure of the full coin Royal that they would
not seriously consider ever playing less than full-coin. Yet for
negative games playing less than full coin makes sense since that way
you lose less.

"So what?" you ask. Well, this is terribly important. Most machines
in most gambling regions are below 100%. How to solve the dilemma of
playing them one or five coins is crucial, and it is not always clear
what's best. Sometimes the decision hangs on a blender, but who wants
too many blenders? Well, those who do have no problem deciding.

This is the example I'm thinking about. Take a riverboat as the only
place near enough. The best they have to offer there is VP, but the
best in that is 6/5 JB. This is a likely situation. Take a bored
cowhand who likes to sit at machines and have a few free beers. He
never read books on VP, but enjoys the game. What would you tell this
person if you want to help him? He is not very rich. Well, you will
tell him not to gamble; but he hates watching TV, he wants something
more active, like tackling a VP machine. I, myself, would tell this
person to look for the lowest denomination, maybe a nickel machine,
and play it a coin at a time. I insist -and I will not give you proof
of this because that would be gossip and involve other people- that
there are some knowledgeable players of Video Poker who will tell
this person to play full coin so that if he should hit a Royal he
will not regret not having the full coin premium on the Royal.

I was very happy to find out from deadin7 that Bob Dancer wrote an
article saying that if you play negative games, you should play one
coin. I still have not found that article, but it makes sense. Advice
like that could save a fortune in losses to people described in the
above paragraph.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

If you mean "serious VP players" that have no clue about payback,
expert play, etc. then I agree wholeheartedly. So what? I always
chuckle when I hear this from people who clearly have no idea what
they are talking about.

#106

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:

This is the example I'm thinking about. Take a riverboat as the

only

place near enough. The best they have to offer there is VP, but the
best in that is 6/5 JB. This is a likely situation. Take a bored
cowhand who likes to sit at machines and have a few free beers. He
never read books on VP, but enjoys the game. What would you tell

this

person if you want to help him? He is not very rich. Well, you will
tell him not to gamble; but he hates watching TV, he wants

something

more active, like tackling a VP machine. I, myself, would tell this
person to look for the lowest denomination, maybe a nickel machine,
and play it a coin at a time.

I would not attempt to tell him how to play. That is his own
decision. On the other hand, if he ASK me what to do, then I would in
turn ask him about his priorities. The final answer would depend on
his priorities.

I insist -and I will not give you proof
of this because that would be gossip and involve other people- that
there are some knowledgeable players of Video Poker who will tell
this person to play full coin so that if he should hit a Royal he
will not regret not having the full coin premium on the Royal.

Again, that gets back to the individuals' priorities. Is he willing
to lose more money overall to hit the big winner?

I think you give to many people credit for being "knowledgeable".
They may play often, but that has nothing to do with knowledge. I've
sees lot's of folks roll their eyes when someone hits a jackpot
playing short coin, and then turn around and hold cards that average
5 coins below the optimum choice. That's why I say "So What?".

#107

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Hello, "over time" is just the sum of all your individual

sessions.

You should know better than that by now. That's the supreme fallacy
of those who live in the confused world of long-term fantasyland.

Alright, how did you come up with your total wins? Just maybe you
used that crazy mathematics called ADDITION. If not, please let me
know. Otherwise that is EXACTLY what "sum of all your individual
sessions" means.

Besides, most of them don't play anyway--they just talk about it

and

draw up calculations. They play only when they have enough spare
change to go out and do it, then they say they use 'optimal play'
just so they can feel better about losing. The ones who waste their
time with it by hanging around casinos constantly are mainly the

big

mouths who write about it all the time and can't stay away too

long,

just to get other people's money into their pockets.

Ramble, ramble. Could you at least try and say something factual. I
assume you must spend a LOT of time following people around casinos
since you use terms like "most of them". Just how many of the
millions of visitors to LV do you follow around and watch their every
play?

> Since you keep harping on this, let's discuss the facts. I'm the
only one here using my real name, if you want information on me

first

you need to disclose YOUR real name.

Where have you told us your 'real' name? Dick? Mine is Rob. Why

don't

you complain about Dancer, Hughes, the Queen, etc. NONE of them use
real names at all, yet they take money from more players than you

can

count.

Seems like I have to spell out everything for you. All you need to do
is check every post I make to see my name. First initial, middle
initial, last name. Can you figure it out now?

>
> I wouldn't waste my time trading emails with you. This is an open
> internet forum (and pretty much a waste of my time anyway).

Name something better you have to do besides chop wood.

Before you were calling me fat and lazy, and now, you have me
chopping wood (which I have done) which is extremely physical. Can't
make up your mind? That's what happens when you continually try to
make up stories with no supporting evidence. Oh, right, just like
your flat earth progressive system.

>
> > Not sure what a Flat Earth System is.
> A system based on denying science fact.

Well, then that's the balls-on description of long-term strategy.

The

science is that no living human could ever approach a significant
enough perfection to yield results anywhere close enough in order

for

the theory to be applicable or beneficial.

Many humans to this rather well. If you've failed at it that's too
bad, but it doesn't change the FACTs. The science is there for anyone
to understand. None of your idiotic assertions,like "no living
human ...", can change this.

>
> How many times will it take to get through your dense skull. ONE
> individuals results means NOTHING. Remember the lottery analogy.
> You're just like someone who won the lottery going around and
telling everyone that it's easy.

You're soooo confused on this point. Since the entire strategy was
designed for only MY particular circumstances, MY results are the
ONLY ones that matter. In such a case, when variables are
significantly reduced, over 200 events is more than plenty for your
science to kick in. The lottery you keep talking about is played
without systems, strategies, and has no interaction with humans.

There are lot's of scams out there selling lottery schemes. Pretty
much the same science behind them as behind your flat earth system.
And, one more time, individual results mean NOTHING, just like in the
lottery.

> Once again, I'm looking for a proof that your flat earth system

can

> overcome mathematical fact and provide winning results for those
who uses it. Your continual attempts to dodge this simple request

is

> strong evidence that you are a liar and a fraud.

Read the above input. It's obvious what you're saying here is that
YOU would in no way have the intelligence, capability, discipline,
determination, bankroll or other necessary personal circumstances

to

be successful with my Play Strategy,

Wrong. I have the "intelligence, capability, discipline,
determination, bankroll or other necessary personal circumstances to
be successful" using proven advantage play strategies. I've made a
profit but, like I said before, individual results mean nothing. Even
if I'd lost the science would still be correct.

so out of that frustration you
claim I'm a liar & fraud. Now tell me who I am defrauding?

Every time you state advantage play doesn't work or tell someone it
cannot work, you are defrauding them. You are, in essence, telling
them to ignore mathematical fact and follow another system that will
almost assuredly lead to larger losses.

Now, if you could provide even a hint of proof that supports your
position ... Yeah, right.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#108

Alright, how did you come up with your total wins? Just maybe you
used that crazy mathematics called ADDITION. If not, please let me
know. Otherwise that is EXACTLY what "sum of all your individual
sessions" means.

And you could say that about anything anyone does. That doesn't mean
to get from point A to point B, one MUST proceed as if none of the
journey matters until the final destination is reached. People travel
hopefully day by day, and they want the best they can get each and
every day. You short-change yourself if you look past all that just
to see what it looks like as you step into your grave.

Ramble, ramble. Could you at least try and say something factual. I
assume you must spend a LOT of time following people around casinos
since you use terms like "most of them". Just how many of the
millions of visitors to LV do you follow around and watch their

every play?

You don't seem to like real-world issues, and always use the
word 'ramble'. That's what's blinding you from reality.I watch
thousands of players, and I correspond with even more than that. All
you do is get excited when some nerd on Winpoker or vpfree talks
about how "today's results don't mean a thing, because I know I'll be
OK in the long-run". Nothing like masking disappointment.

Seems like I have to spell out everything for you. All you need to

do is check every post I make to see my name. First initial, middle

initial, last name. Can you figure it out now?

Like every e-mail address follows what you claim is the 'true' name
format. Does the word naiive mean anything right about now?

Before you were calling me fat and lazy, and now, you have me
chopping wood (which I have done) which is extremely physical.

Can't make up your mind? That's what happens when you continually try
to make up stories with no supporting evidence. Oh, right, just like

your flat earth progressive system.

You forgot old. My grandfather chopped wood too.

   
Many humans to this rather well. If you've failed at it that's too
bad, but it doesn't change the FACTs. The science is there for

anyone to understand. None of your idiotic assertions,like "no living

human ...", can change this.

So why do so many thousands of people who tried expert strategy tell
me it's a crock? And most humnans cannot approach even within 5%
perfection as they play beyond an hour. Before you ask your same old
stupid "show me evidence", what I have is experience with pilots
who've been involved in repetitive studies, and human factors
engineering concluded each and every time that after just 1 hour of
doing something they were very familiar with and that was easy for
them to do--they faltered to below 5%. You may WANT it to be
that "most humans play perfectly", but my experience, the messages I
get from several thousand players, and the studies I've been involved
in strongly suggest otherwise. And if that doesn't do it maybe this
will: You claim to be a successful robotic player, while I said I
failed at it. Just from all this back-and-forth it's simple to see
I'm far more intelligent than you. Now we're back to plain old common
sense. You make no sense.

There are lot's of scams out there selling lottery schemes. Pretty
much the same science behind them as behind your flat earth system.
And, one more time, individual results mean NOTHING, just like in

the lottery.

and where you get stuck every time is comparing my approach to others
who "SELL" theirs. There's where the dip in intelligence comes into
play....in case you were confused by it.

Wrong. I have the "intelligence, capability, discipline,
determination, bankroll or other necessary personal circumstances

to be successful" using proven advantage play strategies. I've made a

profit but, like I said before, individual results mean nothing.

Even if I'd lost the science would still be correct.

It's not nice to lie, Dick.

Every time you state advantage play doesn't work or tell someone it
cannot work, you are defrauding them. You are, in essence, telling
them to ignore mathematical fact and follow another system that

will almost assuredly lead to larger losses.

You're wrong. I do tell people they can win with that dumb strategy,
but ONLY if they are luckier than normal. That's all it is anyway,
and every player knows it when they hit a winning hand.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#109

I am NOT going to get into a back and forth with you. I can show my
$100,000 + w2G's for each of my playing years. I was willing to bet
you $10,000 that they existed. (these include both mine and my wifes)
If you want to increase that amount, we can.
You showed something 4 years ago and the rest is talk.
No further response from me. You are entitiled to denegrate me and
every one that you come in contact with, if you do not agree with
them.
I rented a car in Vegas before I moved here. So What's the big deal.
Repeat, if you were real, you would earn far more than $100,000 per
year.
Even I had 2 years where the net win came close to $125,000.
If I could win an infinite amount, I would, and I believe that you
would too.
Lots of luck, goodbye and keep pulling the wool over the eyes of your
believers

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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:58:52 -0000, you wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott Shapiro <videopoker@m...>
wrote:

SHAMe on you Elliott for your glaring inaccuracies in what you say
here. Here's why:

1. If you really followed this thread as you say you do, you'd have
seen where I provided proof of bank account info (withdrawals nearly
weekly of $17,200, and deposits of more than that after play was
complete) to my publishers almost 4 years ago, and I played one
session (which i know means as little as watching you play 16 hours a
day) for each of their representatives. Other than that, please tell
me how YOU would go about showing proof of YOUR's or anyone else's
claims of winning that's more conclusive than what I did. And I don't
cloud my approach up with nebulous team play using 'other people's
money', or manupulating a for-pay job effort into some sort of guru-
style of winning.

2. Private Jet and RR limo, on around $100k/year average winnings?
What I do is rent a car every time I go anywhere in Nevada, which is
more in-line with how much I profit from it all.

3. The column is written solely to get the Truth out to as many
people as possible--as our my books. The pay is zero--I told GT I
didn't need the money because of my success as a vp expert. The
reason I live over here and not over there is, because unlike you and
the rest of the local 'advantage play' crowd in town, I will not
allow myself to be played like a puppet by all the casino promotions
you people blindly chase after every day like forlorn addicts until
your last dime is spent. No, I don't expect you or any of your crowd
to admit to this, but you all know what I'm saying. Just ask Yuri--
everyone's past hero who had THE mathematical system that just
couldn't lose.

Having followed this 2 or 3 way conversation for some time now, I am
convinced that Rob Singer is a complete sham.
He has NEVER allowed anyone to see what he does and he has NEVER
provided documentation or proof for any of his wild claims.
If, in fact, he won as much as he claimed, he would come to Las

Vegasin his private jet and be met by his Chauffered personal Rolls
Royce.He also devotes time and effort to writing a column (can't pay
much)rather than using the time to further enhance his fortune by
playingand winning all that money. A complete SHAM.

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#110

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott Shapiro <videopoker@m...>
wrote:

Elliott, all you've proven to me here is that you're an old fool.
Notice how you say NOTHING about the fact that you gamble with other
people's money, and that if there's any kind of scam here it's you
pretending you won that money when all you did was work for someone
else to get it. Obviously, when you hit the jackpot for
your 'employer' you get the W2G. That's why he pays you. Now tell me
why I'd bet you ANYTHING that you don't have them when you likely do.

$100,000 + in W2G's every year? Big whoop! I'm up a little over
$80,000 this year, and I have $213,560 in them. So what?

4 years ago is where it began, and I've put the clamps on people like
you ever since who said I'd be gone in 60 seconds.

You rented a car before you moved to LV? What's with that? I've
rented cars for all my trips there since 1999 (except, of course,
River Run weekends during April every year in Laughlin, when I go on
my Harley). I think you got the argument mixed up. I only said that
because your pal Dick said I should be hiring limos on what I say I
win, and I rebuked that.

You're also confused about how much I "should be winning" if I
were "real". I set goals for each year and quit, and I don't require
more than my goal. No one claimed I could win an infinite amount. But
when I win OR lose, at least I do it on my own. You might consider
taking off that woolen mask at the progressives once in a while. I
hear they're giving out triple points for that on Wednesdays....

I am NOT going to get into a back and forth with you. I can show

my

$100,000 + w2G's for each of my playing years. I was willing to bet
you $10,000 that they existed. (these include both mine and my

wifes)

If you want to increase that amount, we can.
You showed something 4 years ago and the rest is talk.
No further response from me. You are entitiled to denegrate me and
every one that you come in contact with, if you do not agree with
them.
I rented a car in Vegas before I moved here. So What's the big

deal.

Repeat, if you were real, you would earn far more than $100,000 per
year.
Even I had 2 years where the net win came close to $125,000.
If I could win an infinite amount, I would, and I believe that you
would too.
Lots of luck, goodbye and keep pulling the wool over the eyes of

your

believers

>--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott Shapiro

<videopoker@m...>

>wrote:
>
>SHAMe on you Elliott for your glaring inaccuracies in what you say
>here. Here's why:
>
>1. If you really followed this thread as you say you do, you'd

have

>seen where I provided proof of bank account info (withdrawals

nearly

>weekly of $17,200, and deposits of more than that after play was
>complete) to my publishers almost 4 years ago, and I played one
>session (which i know means as little as watching you play 16

hours a

>day) for each of their representatives. Other than that, please

tell

>me how YOU would go about showing proof of YOUR's or anyone else's
>claims of winning that's more conclusive than what I did. And I

don't

>cloud my approach up with nebulous team play using 'other people's
>money', or manupulating a for-pay job effort into some sort of

guru-

>style of winning.
>
>2. Private Jet and RR limo, on around $100k/year average winnings?
>What I do is rent a car every time I go anywhere in Nevada, which

is

>more in-line with how much I profit from it all.
>
>3. The column is written solely to get the Truth out to as many
>people as possible--as our my books. The pay is zero--I told GT I
>didn't need the money because of my success as a vp expert. The
>reason I live over here and not over there is, because unlike you

and

>the rest of the local 'advantage play' crowd in town, I will not
>allow myself to be played like a puppet by all the casino

promotions

>you people blindly chase after every day like forlorn addicts

until

>your last dime is spent. No, I don't expect you or any of your

crowd

>to admit to this, but you all know what I'm saying. Just ask Yuri--
>everyone's past hero who had THE mathematical system that just
>couldn't lose.
>
>> Having followed this 2 or 3 way conversation for some time now,

I am

>> convinced that Rob Singer is a complete sham.
>> He has NEVER allowed anyone to see what he does and he has NEVER
>> provided documentation or proof for any of his wild claims.
>> If, in fact, he won as much as he claimed, he would come to Las
>Vegasin his private jet and be met by his Chauffered personal

Rolls

>Royce.He also devotes time and effort to writing a column (can't

pay

···

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 16:58:52 -0000, you wrote:
>much)rather than using the time to further enhance his fortune by
>playingand winning all that money. A complete SHAM.
>
>
>
>
>
>vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

#111

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Alright, how did you come up with your total wins? Just maybe you
> used that crazy mathematics called ADDITION. If not, please let

me

> know. Otherwise that is EXACTLY what "sum of all your individual
> sessions" means.

And you could say that about anything anyone does. That doesn't

mean

to get from point A to point B, one MUST proceed as if none of the
journey matters until the final destination is reached. People

travel

hopefully day by day, and they want the best they can get each and
every day. You short-change yourself if you look past all that just
to see what it looks like as you step into your grave.

Come on, are you really this stupid? Tell me how any one (or two or
ten) session in the past really makes a difference. You could have
won 3 months ago instead of losing and lost 1 year ago instead of
winning. If your results are exactly the same RIGHT NOW, what
difference did it make? NONE!

>
> Ramble, ramble. Could you at least try and say something factual.

I

> assume you must spend a LOT of time following people around

casinos

> since you use terms like "most of them". Just how many of the
> millions of visitors to LV do you follow around and watch their
every play?

You don't seem to like real-world issues, and always use the
word 'ramble'. That's what's blinding you from reality.I watch
thousands of players, and I correspond with even more than that.

I'm amazed you have the time to post on this forum. You
watch "Thousands" of people? And converse "with even more than that"?
Let's see, in your spare time you probably take care of orphans and
the indigent, thousands of them. What a bunch of malarky.

>
> Seems like I have to spell out everything for you. All you need

to

do is check every post I make to see my name. First initial, middle
> initial, last name. Can you figure it out now?

Like every e-mail address follows what you claim is the 'true' name
format. Does the word naiive mean anything right about now?

Of course, that would be the first thing you'd think from all the
times you've created phoney email ids. Unlike you, I have nothing to
hide. And what was your REAL name?

>
> Before you were calling me fat and lazy, and now, you have me
> chopping wood (which I have done) which is extremely physical.
Can't make up your mind? That's what happens when you continually

try

to make up stories with no supporting evidence. Oh, right, just

like

>your flat earth progressive system.

You forgot old. My grandfather chopped wood too.

I'm so hurt, and from a fellow baby boomer to boot.

>
> Many humans to this rather well. If you've failed at it that's

too

> bad, but it doesn't change the FACTs. The science is there for
anyone to understand. None of your idiotic assertions,like "no

living

> human ...", can change this.

So why do so many thousands of people who tried expert strategy

tell

me it's a crock?

There you go with "thousands" again. Get a grip on reality. This
sounds like just another one of your neverending lies.

I suspect you have heard from a few players who tried advantage play
and failed. Some may have even lasted a day. The world is full of
people who want INSTANT success. They aren't willing to put in the
time and effort to BE successful. That's why there are so few TRUE
advantage players out there and this goes way beyond VP.

This is another reason why your flat earth system is so dangerous. It
can initially lead to more small session wins and suck people in
until they hit that BIG loss that causes them to lose more money than
they should have ever risked.

And most humnans cannot approach even within 5%
perfection as they play beyond an hour. Before you ask your same

old

stupid "show me evidence", what I have is experience with pilots
who've been involved in repetitive studies, and human factors
engineering concluded each and every time that after just 1 hour of
doing something they were very familiar with and that was easy for
them to do--they faltered to below 5%. You may WANT it to be
that "most humans play perfectly", but my experience, the messages

I

get from several thousand players, and the studies I've been

involved

in strongly suggest otherwise.

Seems to me like most pilots are VERY successful. I don't see planes
dropping from the sky all the time. In any event, this is apples and
oranges. Pilots must REACT within specific time constraints. No such
pressure is on VP players. They can progress at their own speed to
avoid errors. Finally, one does not have to play 100% accurately to
make a profit. But then you know this and simply refuse to accept it
because then you wouldn't be able to promote yourself as a VP guru.
You are so pathetic.

And if that doesn't do it maybe this
will: You claim to be a successful robotic player, while I said I
failed at it. Just from all this back-and-forth it's simple to see
I'm far more intelligent than you.

Simple for a simpleton. For the rest of us you look like a complete
idiot.

Now we're back to plain old common
sense. You make no sense.

There's that flat earth comeback ... "common sense".

>
> There are lot's of scams out there selling lottery schemes.

Pretty

> much the same science behind them as behind your flat earth

system.

> And, one more time, individual results mean NOTHING, just like in
the lottery.

and where you get stuck every time is comparing my approach to

others

who "SELL" theirs. There's where the dip in intelligence comes into
play....in case you were confused by it.

You can claim whatever you want but it's obvious to me
you're "selling". You attempt to cover it up, but it's clear as a
bell. How many times have you mentioned your book in this thread, how
many reference to GT articles? You're a walking, talking
advertisement.

>
> Wrong. I have the "intelligence, capability, discipline,
> determination, bankroll or other necessary personal circumstances
to be successful" using proven advantage play strategies. I've made

a

> profit but, like I said before, individual results mean nothing.
Even if I'd lost the science would still be correct.

It's not nice to lie, Dick.

No, it's not Rob, what was you name again? What about those
mathematicians? Where's your refutation of Reid's proof? Where are
the thousands and thousands of people you talk to? Get real.

>
> Every time you state advantage play doesn't work or tell someone

it

> cannot work, you are defrauding them. You are, in essence,

telling

> them to ignore mathematical fact and follow another system that
will almost assuredly lead to larger losses.

You're wrong. I do tell people they can win with that dumb

strategy,

but ONLY if they are luckier than normal. That's all it is anyway,
and every player knows it when they hit a winning hand.

You mean that "proven" strategy, unlike your flat earth system for
which you have provided no proof.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#112

Come on, are you really this stupid? Tell me how any one (or two or
ten) session in the past really makes a difference.

To me, the $19,900 I recently won after playing at the Venetian was a
big deal, because my play level averages on the $2 machines. I gave
it to my daughter for her new pool. THAT really made a difference.
Your friend Elliott might THINK I should be winning more if I
were "for real" but I only progress to those hi-limit machines when
I'm losing.

You could have

won 3 months ago instead of losing and lost 1 year ago instead of
winning. If your results are exactly the same RIGHT NOW, what
difference did it make? NONE!

Here's the difference McFly. You can average out anything over
time....as I just did by saying I 'average' the $2 machine. What does
that prove? Someone 30 years old could say "In 30 more years I'll be
60, and I can't wait for that long-term event to arrive". But in
reality, he wants to live and enjoy each and every day IN BETWEEN
those milestones, and that's the difference. The only thing that
really matters is if I attain my goal every time I play or not. I
play to win each time and I usually do. But if I were on some sort of
long-term mission, I would never get up and leave for home whenever I
reached my win goals.

   
I'm amazed you have the time to post on this forum. You
watch "Thousands" of people? And converse "with even more than

that"? Let's see, in your spare time you probably take care of
orphans and the indigent, thousands of them. What a bunch of malarky.

This is precisely why I can easily deduct that I'm far more capable
than you ever were in your lifetime in the area of problem-solving
and figuring out puzzles. That's not bad though, because my neighbor
is much more capable than me. I'm able to do the things you can't
comprehend because that's the way I am. That's what makes us
individuals. You might be better than me at lancing boils or drawing
pictures, but this stuff just isn't your bag.

Of course, that would be the first thing you'd think from all the
times you've created phoney email ids. Unlike you, I have nothing

to hide. And what was your REAL name?

Not sure what you think I'm hiding. Almost everyone knows my real
name on vpfree. I only used 'Singer' because writers use pen names
regularly. I know, I know--you don't understand that either. Ask the
Queen why it's done. Now tell me where I've used phony e-mail id's
where I've tried to hide my identity. My picture's in the paper
weekly, and it's always in vpfree's database. I'd be interested in
that evidence.

There you go with "thousands" again. Get a grip on reality. This
sounds like just another one of your neverending lies.

I suspect you have heard from a few players who tried advantage

play and failed. Some may have even lasted a day. The world is full
of people who want INSTANT success. They aren't willing to put in the

time and effort to BE successful. That's why there are so few TRUE
advantage players out there and this goes way beyond VP.

Thousands is correct. Of course you don't believe it because it
weakens your position. OK. And all that nonsense of people not
willing to put in the time & effort to be successful in long-term
strategy? I had fun with that line in my first book. It's a feel-good
position created by those who either sell vp paraphernalia or support
those who do. Winning is at least 90% luck and everyone knows that.
Your last statement is comical. When people argue on-line with me, on
one hand it's "there's hundreds of advantage players out there making
money 'all the time'" and on the other it's "But there's sooo few of
us". Permit me to laugh.

This is another reason why your flat earth system is so dangerous.

It can initially lead to more small session wins and suck people in

until they hit that BIG loss that causes them to lose more money

than they should have ever risked.

Funny how you people always say that but it never happens. I've
experienced many smaller wins, a lot less smaller losses, 1 giant
loss, and 1 even bigger win. I always use the proper bankroll or else
I wouldn't do it. If there's people out there not doing this exactly
as I explain it, then it's their fault--and I don't care anyway. It's
not like I tricked them into buying my play strategies like the gurus
do.

Seems to me like most pilots are VERY successful. I don't see

planes dropping from the sky all the time. In any event, this is
apples and oranges. Pilots must REACT within specific time
constraints. No such pressure is on VP players. They can progress at
their own speed to avoid errors. Finally, one does not have to play
100% accurately to make a profit. But then you know this and simply
refuse to accept it because then you wouldn't be able to promote
yourself as a VP guru. You are so pathetic.

Did you ever hear of CO-PILOTS, Einstein? It's BECAUSE of possible
pilot error that they have back-up all the time. What "seems" to you
is only so because of inexperience with that system. And there is no
pressure unless and until an emergency arises. Your nonsense about
progressing at their own speed to avoid errors is more paper BS
again. Once at a machine, players try to play as fast as possible
because they can't wait for that intermittent gratification from
winning hands to show--and because they hear Dancer and all the other
phony's tell them to play as much and as often and as fast as
possible so they'll get to the promise land ASAP "just like I did".

Simple for a simpleton. For the rest of us you look like a complete
idiot.

That must be a difficult internal struggle you've got there--being as
jealous as you show all the time along with calling me an idiot.

You can claim whatever you want but it's obvious to me
you're "selling". You attempt to cover it up, but it's clear as a
bell. How many times have you mentioned your book in this thread,

how many reference to GT articles? You're a walking, talking

advertisement.

Um, I think I said several times I don't receive a dime in Royalties
the articles at no/charge even though I was offered pay for them.
My 'ads' are to get the truth out to as many people as possible and
ASAP. And that's exactly what's happening.

No, it's not Rob, what was you name again? What about those
mathematicians? Where's your refutation of Reid's proof? Where are
the thousands and thousands of people you talk to? Get real.

You want everybody's name, you want this and that, yet you won't
provide your own credentials to prove you're not the Internet hack
you clearly appear to be. Again, YOU can close this loop you've
created by doing so. If you choose not to then I understand--you can
keep on criticizing as you hide behind your computer. A bit senile,
but it must work for you.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:
from my book sales any longer because I choose not to, and I write

#113

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Come on, are you really this stupid? Tell me how any one (or two

or

> ten) session in the past really makes a difference.

To me, the $19,900 I recently won after playing at the Venetian was

a

big deal, because my play level averages on the $2 machines. I gave
it to my daughter for her new pool. THAT really made a difference.
Your friend Elliott might THINK I should be winning more if I
were "for real" but I only progress to those hi-limit machines when
I'm losing.

Reading comprehension has just fallen below complete idiot. If you'd
have finished my paragraph before foaming at the mouth maybe you'd
have a chance.

You could have
> won 3 months ago instead of losing and lost 1 year ago instead of
> winning. If your results are exactly the same RIGHT NOW, what
> difference did it make? NONE!

Here's the difference McFly. You can average out anything over
time....as I just did by saying I 'average' the $2 machine. What

does

that prove?

What it proves is that individual sessions don't mean anything. You
can't predict ahead of time whether you'll win or lose. If you'd have
won the $19,900 on the different day, there is no difference. The
past is the sum of all your sessions, the future is an unknown.
PERIOD. Anything else you say is just a smoke screen to avoid the
obvious fact that your flat earth system is a fraud.

Someone 30 years old could say "In 30 more years I'll be
60, and I can't wait for that long-term event to arrive". But in
reality, he wants to live and enjoy each and every day IN BETWEEN
those milestones, and that's the difference. The only thing that
really matters is if I attain my goal every time I play or not.

Does it really matter to you that you won $1300 on one day in Reno
and lost $900 on the other? No, you talked about winning $400
overall. You are living proof that what I say is true.

As for the 30 year olds (or 90 years olds) they all want to win when
they gamble. The fact is, neither can predict the future.

>
> I'm amazed you have the time to post on this forum. You
> watch "Thousands" of people? And converse "with even more than
that"? Let's see, in your spare time you probably take care of
orphans and the indigent, thousands of them. What a bunch of

malarky.

This is precisely why I can easily deduct that I'm far more capable
than you ever were in your lifetime in the area of problem-solving
and figuring out puzzles. That's not bad though, because my

neighbor

is much more capable than me. I'm able to do the things you can't
comprehend because that's the way I am. That's what makes us
individuals. You might be better than me at lancing boils or

drawing

pictures, but this stuff just isn't your bag.

I see you are still your own biggest fan. Were you attempting to
convey something intelligent here? This is just about as content free
as anything you've said.

>
> Of course, that would be the first thing you'd think from all the
> times you've created phoney email ids. Unlike you, I have nothing
to hide. And what was your REAL name?

Not sure what you think I'm hiding. Almost everyone knows my real
name on vpfree. I only used 'Singer' because writers use pen names
regularly. I know, I know--you don't understand that either. Ask

the

Queen why it's done. Now tell me where I've used phony e-mail id's
where I've tried to hide my identity. My picture's in the paper
weekly, and it's always in vpfree's database. I'd be interested in
that evidence.

You were the one who wanted information about me. I never brought
this up until started going off the deep end. So, if you still want
information about me then, FIRST, you need to state your real name.
Otherwise, I could care less.

When people argue on-line with me, on
one hand it's "there's hundreds of advantage players out there

making

money 'all the time'" and on the other it's "But there's sooo few

of

us". Permit me to laugh.

Do the simple math. Millions of gamblers, hundreds of advantage
players. Is this beyond your simple intellect? Are you Dilberts'
manager?

>
> This is another reason why your flat earth system is so

dangerous.

It can initially lead to more small session wins and suck people in
> until they hit that BIG loss that causes them to lose more money
than they should have ever risked.

Funny how you people always say that but it never happens. I've
experienced many smaller wins, a lot less smaller losses, 1 giant
loss, and 1 even bigger win. I always use the proper bankroll or

else

I wouldn't do it. If there's people out there not doing this

exactly

as I explain it, then it's their fault--and I don't care anyway.

It's

not like I tricked them into buying my play strategies like the

gurus

do.

That's what all the scammers say. Buyer beware. It doesn't change the
fact that your flat earth system is a fraud and a scam.

>
> Seems to me like most pilots are VERY successful. I don't see
planes dropping from the sky all the time. In any event, this is
apples and oranges. Pilots must REACT within specific time
constraints. No such pressure is on VP players. They can progress

at

their own speed to avoid errors. Finally, one does not have to play
100% accurately to make a profit. But then you know this and simply
refuse to accept it because then you wouldn't be able to promote
yourself as a VP guru. You are so pathetic.

Did you ever hear of CO-PILOTS, Einstein? It's BECAUSE of possible
pilot error that they have back-up all the time. What "seems" to

you

is only so because of inexperience with that system. And there is

no

pressure unless and until an emergency arises.

Are you saying planes would be constantly falling from the sky if it
wasn't for co-pilots? How many small single engine planes use co-
pilots?

Your nonsense about
progressing at their own speed to avoid errors is more paper BS
again. Once at a machine, players try to play as fast as possible
because they can't wait for that intermittent gratification from
winning hands to show--and because they hear Dancer and all the

other

phony's tell them to play as much and as often and as fast as
possible so they'll get to the promise land ASAP "just like I did".

Actually, I believe Bob and others would tell people the most
important factor is NOT to make mistakes. If you have evidence to the
contrary please post it. Otherwise this is just another nonsense
assertion on your part and is the absolute opposite of your other
assertions that Bob and others get too detailed in single hand
analysis.

>
> Simple for a simpleton. For the rest of us you look like a

complete

> idiot.

That must be a difficult internal struggle you've got there--being

as

jealous as you show all the time along with calling me an idiot.

I call 'em as I see 'em.

>
> You can claim whatever you want but it's obvious to me
> you're "selling". You attempt to cover it up, but it's clear as a
> bell. How many times have you mentioned your book in this thread,
how many reference to GT articles? You're a walking, talking
> advertisement.

Um, I think I said several times I don't receive a dime in

Royalties

from my book sales any longer because I choose not to, and I write
the articles at no/charge even though I was offered pay for them.
My 'ads' are to get the truth out to as many people as possible and
ASAP. And that's exactly what's happening.

The problem is YOUR truth is a lie. You sell yourself because of your
inflated ego. Also, if your book royalties go to others for services
they provide you, that is the same as money. Or, does your website
developer now work for free?

>
> No, it's not Rob, what was you name again? What about those
> mathematicians? Where's your refutation of Reid's proof? Where

are

> the thousands and thousands of people you talk to? Get real.

You want everybody's name, you want this and that, yet you won't
provide your own credentials to prove you're not the Internet hack
you clearly appear to be. Again, YOU can close this loop you've
created by doing so. If you choose not to then I understand--you

can

keep on criticizing as you hide behind your computer. A bit senile,
but it must work for you.

Like I said before, we start with you posting your REAL name. After
that we can discuss credentials (even though they are meaningless).

Dick

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#114

Reading comprehension has just fallen below complete idiot.

Mine, or yours? Your writing skills seem to suffer when you squirm a
bit. How about using some of that famous rgmustain clarity when you
communicate from now on?

If you'd have finished my paragraph before foaming at the mouth maybe
you'd have a chance.

The same with that. It goes nowhere.

What it proves is that individual sessions don't mean anything.

That's because you're head is made of the stuff the woodpeckers up
there can'g penetrate. The ONLY thing that matters is an individual
session--to EVERYONE. You optimal play fools make believe they don't,
because you want others to think playing to the math is an oh so
superior way to play--and you don't want to appear devastated when
you lose--but you do know much better inside.

You can't predict ahead of time whether you'll win or lose.

Obviously, but based on a series of positive historical events one
could EXPECT with a high degree of accuracy that he will win. That is
me.

If you'd have

won the $19,900 on the different day, there is no difference. The
past is the sum of all your sessions, the future is an unknown.
PERIOD.

Like I said, you can string together any series of events and claim
they are a long-term affair....and maybe they are when the day is
done. That has nothing to do with playing individual sessions for the
value they offer TODAY and ONLY today.

Does it really matter to you that you won $1300 on one day in Reno
and lost $900 on the other? No, you talked about winning $400
overall. You are living proof that what I say is true.

Of course it matters. My session result is +$400, and I used that for
part of something I wanted when I got home. It has nothing to do with
some useless overall calculation by the time I step into the grave.
Anyone who thinks it does is simply avoiding the issue.

I see you are still your own biggest fan. Were you attempting to
convey something intelligent here? This is just about as content

free as anything you've said.

From your irritated response, I don't quite think it went through the
hole in your head.

  
You were the one who wanted information about me. I never brought
this up until started going off the deep end. So, if you still want
information about me then, FIRST, you need to state your real name.
Otherwise, I could care less.

Post the question on vpfree or even here, and someone will tell you.
I have a policy of not posting anything personal about myself. I let
others do that and make up what they will about it. You on the other
hand are a nobody, and I see no reason not to provide credentials if
they really exist. And guess what it's been looking like for some
time now.

Do the simple math. Millions of gamblers, hundreds of advantage
players. Is this beyond your simple intellect? Are you Dilberts'
manager?

Who's Dilbert?? Is this Yuri's friend or the Queen's live-in
boyfriend? And it looks like you're making an assumption based on
zero facts again. Another mistake? Hey, I would have had fun writing
your written warnings up a few years ago. So which is it--hundreds of
advantage players, or "there's just a few of us"?

Are you saying planes would be constantly falling from the sky if

it wasn't for co-pilots? How many small single engine planes use co-

pilots?

Compare the training of those yahoos vs. real pilots. It's
predictable that you would have used those wannabees as your example.

Actually, I believe Bob and others would tell people the most

important factor is NOT to make mistakes. If you have evidence to

the contrary please post it. Otherwise this is just another nonsense

assertion on your part and is the absolute opposite of your other
assertions that Bob and others get too detailed in single hand
analysis.

Actually? Are you sure? If you read his columns over the years, you'd
see he tells everyone all the time to do EVERYTHING perfectly,
otherwise they have no business playing video poker for profit. He
tries to make it look like he's Mr. Perfection, yet when he falls
into the 'when I win I go to the high-limit machines beyond my proper
bankroll that i tell everyone not to do, to take a shot' then his
perfection takes the same hit his sense does.

  
The problem is YOUR truth is a lie. You sell yourself because of

your inflated ego. Also, if your book royalties go to others for
services they provide you, that is the same as money. Or, does your
website developer now work for free?

Oh, so since you were barking up the wrong tree, you had to peel the
onion down another layer to try another way up. I give all Royalties
to my children because I don't need any. Remember, I WIN money I need
for things. My website developer/maintainer was paid a lump sum long
ago, and when we meet anywhere in the US I take him and his family to
dinner with money that has nothing to do with gambling profits. Try
again.

Like I said before, we start with you posting your REAL name. After
that we can discuss credentials (even though they are meaningless).

Meaningless isn't a strong enough word.....

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#115

I can see you're hitting the bottle again. You're back to your
standard 4-5 responses. Try again when you sober up.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

>
> Reading comprehension has just fallen below complete idiot.

Mine, or yours? Your writing skills seem to suffer when you squirm

a

bit. How about using some of that famous rgmustain clarity when you
communicate from now on?

I won't even try to explain a rhetorical comment in your current
state.

>
> What it proves is that individual sessions don't mean anything.

That's because you're head is made of the stuff the woodpeckers up
there can'g penetrate. The ONLY thing that matters is an individual
session--to EVERYONE. You optimal play fools make believe they

don't,

because you want others to think playing to the math is an oh so
superior way to play--and you don't want to appear devastated when
you lose--but you do know much better inside.

Standard response #1. Simple math somehow fails when applied to VP.

> You can't predict ahead of time whether you'll win or lose.

Obviously, but based on a series of positive historical events one
could EXPECT with a high degree of accuracy that he will win. That

is

me.

Standard response #2. I win, what else does anyone need to know.

If you'd have
> won the $19,900 on the different day, there is no difference. The
> past is the sum of all your sessions, the future is an unknown.
> PERIOD.

Like I said, you can string together any series of events and claim
they are a long-term affair....and maybe they are when the day is
done. That has nothing to do with playing individual sessions for

the

value they offer TODAY and ONLY today.

Standard response #3. The world changes when you go to bed at night
and the VP fairy makes everything OK.

> Does it really matter to you that you won $1300 on one day in

Reno

> and lost $900 on the other? No, you talked about winning $400
> overall. You are living proof that what I say is true.

Of course it matters. My session result is +$400, and I used that

for

part of something I wanted when I got home. It has nothing to do

with

some useless overall calculation by the time I step into the grave.
Anyone who thinks it does is simply avoiding the issue.

You finally got something right. One session across two days. Are you
starting to catch on? Now, keep adding the days ...

>
> I see you are still your own biggest fan. Were you attempting to
> convey something intelligent here? This is just about as content
free as anything you've said.

From your irritated response, I don't quite think it went through

the

hole in your head.

Standard response #4. Try insults when you have nothing intelligent
to say.

>
> You were the one who wanted information about me. I never brought
> this up until started going off the deep end. So, if you still

want

> information about me then, FIRST, you need to state your real

name.

> Otherwise, I could care less.

Post the question on vpfree or even here, and someone will tell

you.

I have a policy of not posting anything personal about myself.

Fine with me. I could care less anyway. Just don't expect me to post
any personal information either.

I let
others do that and make up what they will about it. You on the

other

hand are a nobody,

Standard response #4.

and I see no reason not to provide credentials if
they really exist. And guess what it's been looking like for some
time now.

Driving you crazy, isn't it? And, I see no reason for you to avoid
posting your real name if you have nothing to hide.

>
> Do the simple math. Millions of gamblers, hundreds of advantage
> players. Is this beyond your simple intellect? Are you Dilberts'
> manager?

Who's Dilbert??

And you claim to have worked in the corporate world. Looks like
you've just been caught in another lie.

>
> Are you saying planes would be constantly falling from the sky if
it wasn't for co-pilots? How many small single engine planes use co-
> pilots?

Compare the training of those yahoos vs. real pilots. It's
predictable that you would have used those wannabees as your

example.

Standard response #5. Change the subject. You brought up pilots as an
example where VP players making mistakes. Now you're off on a
complete tangent.

>
>> Actually, I believe Bob and others would tell people the most
> important factor is NOT to make mistakes. If you have evidence to
the contrary please post it. Otherwise this is just another

nonsense

> assertion on your part and is the absolute opposite of your other
> assertions that Bob and others get too detailed in single hand
> analysis.

Actually? Are you sure? If you read his columns over the years,

you'd

see he tells everyone all the time to do EVERYTHING perfectly,

That's what I said, put down the bottle and read more closely.
Perfectly does not mean FAST.

>
> The problem is YOUR truth is a lie. You sell yourself because of
your inflated ego. Also, if your book royalties go to others for
services they provide you, that is the same as money. Or, does your
website developer now work for free?

Oh, so since you were barking up the wrong tree, you had to peel

the

onion down another layer to try another way up. I give all

Royalties

to my children because I don't need any. Remember, I WIN money I

need

for things. My website developer/maintainer was paid a lump sum

long

ago, and when we meet anywhere in the US I take him and his family

to

dinner with money that has nothing to do with gambling profits. Try
again.

Check your post from May 8th.

"My next book will be out soon, and I've signed up to not accept any
of the royalties--that they go straight to my web master and
children."

Looks like you've just been caught in another lie. Either now or
then. How many lies is that now?

>
> Like I said before, we start with you posting your REAL name.

After

> that we can discuss credentials (even though they are

meaningless).

Meaningless isn't a strong enough word.....

... for your flat earth system. Maybe you've sobered up enough now to
try something other than your standard responses.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#116

So you're giving up? From the looks of your responses, I'd guess you
had too much preparation H on one hand busy doing the job, while you
only typed with the other. Maybe you ought to try the application 2-
handed!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

I can see you're hitting the bottle again. You're back to your
standard 4-5 responses. Try again when you sober up.

#117

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> I can see you're hitting the bottle again. You're back to your
> standard 4-5 responses. Try again when you sober up.

So you're giving up? From the looks of your responses, I'd guess

you

had too much preparation H on one hand busy doing the job, while

you

only typed with the other. Maybe you ought to try the application 2-
handed!

Couldn't keep up? Not surprised. Is Standard response #4 the best you
can do?

Let's see if I can figure out your age. Must be in your 50s, most
likely at least 55. Kind of makes one wonder why you would throw
around age insults.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#118

Couldn't keep up? Not surprised. Is Standard response #4 the best

you can do?

If you intended to or had the ability to 'keep up', you wouldn't have
reduced your responses to whatever you mean by 'standard responses'.
I don't have any more time than you do because I have many
correspondences each day, but I'm a lot better at time management--
that's obvious. You're not much different than Elliott, really. He's
an older fellow, but one difference is that he lives in LV and cannot
resist or say no to all the casino promotions that draw him in every
day to drain his wallet--and he also has a 'vp business leader' to
answer to. In your case, boredom seems to be the #1 issue, and you
aren't very good with even that.

Let's see if I can figure out your age. Must be in your 50s, most
likely at least 55. Kind of makes one wonder why you would throw
around age insults.

51. The age 'insults' aren't blind, as are all of your assertions
about me. You act and write as if you have nothing else to do, your
responses are laced with senility, you appear to be a very bored
individual who leads a sour life, and are as jealous a wannabee as
the Queen and Skip Hughes are.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

#119

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Couldn't keep up? Not surprised. Is Standard response #4 the best
you can do?

If you intended to or had the ability to 'keep up', you wouldn't

have

reduced your responses to whatever you mean by 'standard responses'.

I outlined them in my post that you glossed over. Like I said, you
can't seem to keep up.

I don't have any more time than you do because I have many
correspondences each day, but I'm a lot better at time management--
that's obvious. You're not much different than Elliott, really.

He's

an older fellow, but one difference is that he lives in LV and

cannot

resist or say no to all the casino promotions that draw him in

every

day to drain his wallet--and he also has a 'vp business leader' to
answer to. In your case, boredom seems to be the #1 issue, and you
aren't very good with even that.

Now that's a really intelligent statement?? You state I'm not "very
good with even that", referring to boredom. I believe you unwittingly
just stated I'm not really bored. Even you standard response #4 is
getting weak.

>
> Let's see if I can figure out your age. Must be in your 50s, most
> likely at least 55. Kind of makes one wonder why you would throw
> around age insults.

51.

Then by all means keep up the age insults. Oh, and don't forget to
look in the mirror.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

#120

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:

I outlined them in my post that you glossed over. Like I said, you
can't seem to keep up.

The 'outline' is what I'm referring to, dufus. A person outlines
when they have no intention of submitting a complete response. And
to further depict your lack of abilities here, you 'can' your
outline into some sort of standard remarks. Has anyone outside of
where you used to work YEARS ago ever called you lazy?

Now that's a really intelligent statement?? You state I'm

not "very good with even that", referring to boredom. I believe you
unwittingly just stated I'm not really bored. Even you standard
response #4 is getting weak.

This is where your deterioration becomes most pronounced. "Not good
even with boredom" means as a bored person with not much else to do,
you haven't the ability to submit intelligent responses even with
all that time on your hands.

Then by all means keep up the age insults. Oh, and don't forget to
look in the mirror.

Right now I don't know what you look like or how much you weigh--but
I can guess the overall picture ain't pretty. Which brings up
another one of my requirements for being a successful video poker
player: Immense self-confidence, self-respect, and always doing the
things that keep a player at that level. Look around at ANY locals
casino in ANY gambling town. What you see are mostly overweight and
a whole lot of obese fat-asses sitting at the machines, they dress
like they just got out of a K-Mart Blue-Lite special, a very high
percentage of them smoke, most of them drink far too much for their
own good, their overall cleanliness is usually in question, the
majority of those who even have bank cards use casino ATM's, attempt
to cash checks, or apply for 3-digit casino credit limits, and many
of them can't wait for the buffets to open in order for them to have
something to look forward to. In other words, video poker players
are, in general, a sad slice of our population. Now match yourself
up against all this and tell yourself where you fit in. And then
guess why I'm a consistent winner.