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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> Yep, that same bell curve that causes electricity to flow through
> wires. You want to dispute the bell curve? Let's have it. I can
come up with hundreds more great examples of the bell curve and

its'

> applicability to every day life. What have you got to dispute it?
> Want to talk about exit polls again?

The bell curve is only a crutch

No, it's a fact of basic statistical math. It's not good, bad or
indifferent. It just is. By the way, exit polls are not an example of
a bell curve. They are an examples of statistical sampling methods
and require a much deeper understanding than a simple bell curve. I
just wanted to see if you knew the difference.

for your endless theories about how
you dream video poker should be played by yourself. It's no

different

than the theory Scott, Hughes, Wong, Dancer and Paymar dangle in
front of weak players in order to take money from them. That scam

is

why I'm here, and my progress is what bothers you no end.

No, the reason I'm here is to expose YOU as the liar and fraud you
are. And, I'm doing a fine job.

>
> > > Finally, one more time, and at least a zillion times now, I
> don't care if you've won or not. It has nothing to do with the
topic at hand.

Talk about lying....You're big problem here is that I win when you
cannot -- how I actually play the game and win when you only do so

on

paper while you lose in the casinos. It bothers you that you have

to

scrape together dollars from whatever means possible and only make

a

few trips a year to Nv., when I own the place.

And what property would that be. Cowards 'r us?

> >
> > The topic at hand is in fact my record
>
> No, it's not. You WANT to make it your record, and I could care
less as I've said many times. The topic is whether your bogus

system

can turn a negative expectation into a positive one. Little Robbie

is

now panicing bigtime.

What bothers you is that my system HAS turned it into a positive
expectation as proven by me with piles of historical data.

Personal data means NOTHING. It is proof of NOTHING, other than your
obviously enlarged ego. Let's hear you say it again. "I'm a VP guru,
I'm a star, I'm a ..." It's very clear what your motives are. And
the fact you won't come forward with your real name pretty much sums
up what you REALLY are.

>
> > No one cares whether or not you care if I
> > win or not.
>
> Then you shouldn't have brought it up.

Now you're a crybaby. Your #1 care in this world is about me and

how

I do what I do. But it really isn't all that bad for you, because

it

gives an old man reason to live.

There's that ego again. ROTFL.

>
> > You're the one with a zillion problems to solve in that
> > neurotic mind of yours. I'm happy getting ready to go out back
for a swim and a few minutes in the jacuzzi, and then packing for
tomorrow's trip to New Orleans.
>
> You're so predictable. How many subject changes is this now? It
must be real tough knowing you've completely lost this debate. Is
that why you won't post your name?

It's nice seeing how jealous you are of me once again. Keep it
coming.

OK. You're so predictable. How many subject changes is this now? It
must be real tough knowing you've completely lost this debate. Is
that why you won't post your name?

>
> If you must know, I had a nice day working outside in near

perfect

> temperatures. This evening my wife and I went out to a nice
> restaurant where I had a great salad, broiled walleye and cheddar
> mashed potatoes.

I can whip that stuff up with one hand tied behind my back.

Kind of like your gambling systems.

Hold the
cheese though.

I doubt you have any clue how to prepare Walleye. But then who really
cares?
  

>
> Since you know nothing of my gambling results this is simply just
> another lie on your part and another example of a mamas' boy who
> won't reveal his real name. Your panic increases ...

Um, I believe you blab that you've got the game beaten because you
play the way the gurus tell you to (and the fact that you've also
bought all their junk so you're obligated to say that). I've simply
interpreted your drivel.

More lies from the "liar guru". And where is your proof of the above
statement? Nowhere to be found. But, since you're interested, I make
my own strategy cards for OEJs which is my primary game. I do own
winpoker. Got it before it was BDPW and I use it for the other games
I play. So, tell me again just who I'm obligated to? The
only "drivel" I see is your last statement.

>
> > That was so good I'll put it in again. All I can see is that
you're a wannabee nut in the land of 10,000 geeks. Today it's this
and tomorrow it's that.

> Guess again little Robbie. Your system has been proven invalid

and

> yet you persist. That makes you a liar and a fraud.

Proven invalid by whom?

Reid.

Anyone contact me for my results and
historical review?

Nobody cares about your results except you. Unless you play as much a
the millions of other gamblers ...

Don't start with what's supposed to happen on
paper again. That makes you look increasingly stupid.

... and you still believe the earth is flat. You've said it before a
zillion times. Doesn't change the facts.

>
> When you ridicule anyone without using your real name then you

are,

> plain and simple, a complete coward. I'm perfectly happy knowing

I

> have the balls to state exactly what I think about you using my
real name for everyone to see. So, if you ever grow a set please

let

the rest of us know. Until then you better take some more of your
panic meds.

Like you're a big cheese for criticizing me on the Internet!

Bigger than you. I use my real name while you wallow in your
cowardice.

Gee, how
it hurts. For what i make with vp, I'll take it a million times

over.

Keep it coming, Minnesota Fats!! ...

I will little Robbie. It must be a great life, I mean having to live
in that yellow slime all the time, it's no wonder you're such a loser.

>
> You're more than welcome to post you own results. If you consider
> that proof then you should also post a money back guarantee that
> anyone who uses your system will also win and you will cover

their

> loses. Put your money where your mouth is!

I'll tell you what. Get Paymar, Dancer, or any other quack to do it
retro-actively on their system (one that you swear by) and I'll do
the same. That's a tough one Dicky, so take your time.

You're the one that's come forward and stated advantage play doesn't
work and you have a better system. (Go back and reread your first
post in the thread.) If you had any confidence in what you're saying
you'd WANT to back it up. I guess your flat earth system isn't all
that you've said it was. You are such an obvious coward. And, did I
mention liar and fraud!

>
> > Name a player who won't agree that advantage play is a loser.
>
> I think a couple of them already posted here and you called them
> names. Just to go back and reread the last few months posts. But,
> then I don't care about any advantage players results either. The
> topic is general applicability of your flat earth system vs.
> advantage play. So far, your system has failed miserably. It's

been

> proven invalid yet you continue to babble on and on.

I said name a player, not to tell me to read something. You can't
even follow directions, which proves you're lazy to go with being a
fool.

I guess that must mean you can't read. Or, you don't know how. Can't
even go back to the archives. Who's the lazy/stupid one? Little
Robbie!

>
> That's right. No one ever said you needed to play perfectly to be
an advantage player. Let me hear you say real humans can't play
> TicTacToe either.

That's the standard response whenever I challenge the big heads on
this one. In articles they say you have to play perfectly if you

want

to win.

I've never said that and I'm the one in THIS discussion. Another
obvious attempt to waylay the discussion from your fradulent system.

When I come along they waffle to "near-perfectly"

Now you're getting it. I never thought you'd understand.

and when
people say they can't win they say "but gee, you didn't practice
enough".

That may or may not be true and, of course, you ignore those who have
won lots of money. But how does this prove your flat earth system
works? It doesn't, it's just your cowards' way out of discussing your
fradulent system.

>
> Where's your supporting evidence? Nowhere. You are such a moron

to

> even bring up "applications in mathematics". That's exactly what

VP

> is!

HAHA! That's exactly what you WISH it were. It's a game, dummy.

And a game, like TicTacToe, that can be examined with 100% accuracy
with todays' computers. So once more, for the obviously slow witted
like little Robbie, it IS an "application in mathematics". Were you
the one who said a computer could never beat a chess master?

>
That must be the "butt-wipe" example you keep talking about?

Speaking of that, are you ever going to try for an answer? Or has

the

moose got your tongue on that one??

I did answer but your embarrassingly slow mind continues to miss it.
Reids' proof shows your flat earth system can NEVER work.

> >
>
> ROTFL.

What does that mean?

Amoung other things, that you're an idiot.

>
>> > You're only an old fool who likes to argue. You don't believe

a

> thing unless you can prove it on paper, and you know it. VP has

no

place in your math exam except for the most neurotic of players,
those who fraudulently sell it to others, or wannabees.

This is sooo good I'll leave it in one more time! Your response
included some old man nonsense about tictacdo. You still play that?

Occasionally with my granddaughter. And, it's a great example of the
falacy of your flat earth logic. You want everyone to think VP is so
tough it can't be played with ample efficiency. You might as well say
the same thing about TicTacToe. VP just takes a little more work
(except maybe FPDW).

>
> Your play strategy has already been proven wrong by Reids' proof,
did you miss that? I thought the many, many times I mentioned

Reids'

> proof would be enough.

Reid who---and did he review my strategies?

He took a general approach that covers your strategies and any other
progressive strategy as a subset. He proved that NO progressive
system based on uneven payoffs (your increasing denoms) can make a
negative game positive. However, you stated in an earlier post that
you reviewed his paper. I guess that was just another lie. Oh, and
don't forget your 3 mythical math guys that also reviewed it.

>
> > >
> > > > Yup, and the Gov't. too. We ate computer programmers for a
> snack.Is this an intelligent reply or what? And, you still have

no

clue who Dilbert is ... Your FORMER, fellow employees must have
continually had huge laughs about you. Did Scott Adams work for you?

In large organizations (private or Gov't.) the geekish programmers
(aka 'computer fairies) were the laughing stock of the joints.

Sure they were. And, could this be another famous RS bigotted reply?
Yep.

> >
> > Who's Scott Adams? He often demonstates your intelligence when

he

publishes.

No, once again "WHO is Scott Adams....not WHAT does he do? Now you
see why programmers were always walked all over. They tried to duck
questions but always got caught.

No, I'm just having way to much fun with this one. ROTFL. Maybe you
should check with all your friend/s.

>
> > >
> > > The bigot in you is showing. And, if you were an advantage
player you could get in the VIP lines.

So-called 'advantage players' are, on the whole, a low-class bunch
who try to follow other people's fabricated on-paper dreams inside
casinos. Next time you're in one of your revered locals joints in

LV,

wait before you rush to sit and play and take a good look around.

Not

only are the theoretically >100% machines being played by such a
pathetic-looking bunch of life's leftovers--most of them ARE! And

the

VIP lines? All those are for is the bigger losers and addicts, who
like to brag to others about all the 'free stuff' they got from
everywhere they play. Common sense says it all.

Yes, Rob Singer is a bigot.

> >
> You are the biggest bigot I have ever come across. It must be

that

> inferiority complex. You generalize everyone into a class and

then

> ridicule the class. This is trait most often associated with low
> intelligence. But then, that's been pretty obvious all along.

Read my lips Dicky. LV has, proportionately, more social problems
than any other place on earth.

I can feel another generalization coming on ...

Locals make that up if it somehow
passed you by. Smoking, drinking, overeating, drinking too much--

and

video poker all go hand-in-hand. How many fat-asses do you see
smoking and playing vp? Check it out. No self-respect for

themselves

equates to no discipline at the machines. You disagree?

Yep, another generalization. I will agree around 2/3 of the people
are overweight. Wait a sec, that's now the average in the US.

Then you're
the same fool who can't figure anything else out here.

I can figure this out. You are a complete bigot.

>
> Actually, I told them I wasn't interested.

You brute you. I guess you told them.

Just the facts man. Something you would know very little about.

>
> You mean to say the pay table actually means something to you?

That's an inconsistent statement from someone who reads my columns
regularly.

Nope, the only one I've ever read is the one referenced in a previous
post by Bonus...Rob...Tom...whatever. Why would I want to when you
show what an egotistical bigot and coward you really are right here
on this forum.

> > Let's see you prove that butt-wiping exists pops. In fact, show
us
> > the mathematical difference between the kind of toilet seat
that's
> > larger with an opening up front, and those teeny little circles
> that
> > they install in dumps like Fiesta Rancho, Az. Charlie's, El
Cortez,-
> -
> > you know, the joints so-called 'advantage' players are reeled
into
> > all the time.
>
> Just admit you lied or provide supporting evidence. Your babble

is

> showing your level of panic.

Oops! Guess you can't.

Can't prove that you babble? You just did it for me.

>
> When discussing advantage play, little Robbie said "If you want

to

be reeled in and soaked dry by playing exactly as any casino

manager

> wants you to". When I asked about FPDWs being pulled out of all

the

> casinos, little Robbie the coward, stuttered "The high paybacks

are

> from the promotions". So, once again you are caught in a lie.

Huh?? You're being a kook again. You're precious >100% paybacks ARE
mostly from promotions today and not the pay tables. Are you here?
Hello!

Not a surprising reply from an idiot like you. Do you always act
really stupid when completely caught in a lie? Where's those casino
managers now? Where are all the FPDW? Where is an intelligent
response from little Robbie? Nowhere to be found!

>
You know as well as I do that casino managers could care less how
anyone looks.

Yeah they do. The weider, the stupider--the better. They love to

see

fat-asses plop into the chairs, and they love fat women even

better.

And those who smoke make their day. Not to mention the incessant
drinking habits of most of them.

But, you stated last week that the casino managers didn't like them?
Can't you remember what you said last week? And, you want people to
believe you're always truthful. What a crock!

> >
And, what is this mystery casino managers name?

I'll tell you what. Since you can't seem to figure out who's who,
i'll let your Tums do the work as you get anxiety attacks over

names.

You're a self-proclaimed smart guy Dick, so let's see that in-

action

for a change.

In other words, you have no idea. Just what I thought, another lie.

>
> > > Tell you what, I'll meet you at Sams' Town in 2 months and

you

> can introduce me to this casino manager and I can ask him/her
> directly.

Hey dufus--Sam's Town still HAS the machines!

Was this response to another question and you misplaced it or have
you completely lost your composure? Or, are you saying Sams Town has

.25 FPDW.

> > >
> Right after you post your real name for all to see. Oh, and I'll
take $60 on that 10000:1 bet you just offered. I'll send my $60 to
Tom if you'll do the same with your $600,000 (I believe that's what
you've indicated you've won with your system).

Is $60 ALL you can afford while feeling invincible? Here's a hint:
You don't have much money, and you'll lose that bet.

No, it's all I need to take ALL of your money. So, are we on? Let's
set a date right now. How about 10/21/04 at Sam's Town. We can meet
anywhere (or anytime) you'd like. Just make sure to send Tom your
$600K ahead of time.

>
> > For some reason, I just got a woody when you said that. Are you
> sure your daughter or wife didn't write it?
>
> ROTFL. I love it when you panic.

Yeah, but how does your wife feel about it........??

Let's see if I get this straight. You believe I'm a crusty old man
and you get a woody over my wife whose pretty close to me in age.
Need I say more? Do you spend a lot of time at graveyards getting
your kicks? Probably the only place you can ...

>
> All I can say is "Perfect". I can't believe you didn't entirely
snip this "perfect" example of your stupidity.

Now don't be changing the subject again. I can't feel the love
from 'love it".

If I did change the subject, then let me refresh you. You were the
moron who came up with the idiotic short term examples when I asked
for "general applicability". You seem to want everyone to know you
have no clue what the difference is. I have no problem pointing it
out over and over. Perfect!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

> Dick, do you HONESTLY believe that any casino anywhere offers

any

> game that will allow people to hammer on it for hours on end and
> make consistent money on it?

Yes.

Well, that about sums up your IQ. See the Las Vegas strip if you
have any questions.

>
> If such a practice were possible, then please explain why Bob
Dancer
> & Jean Scott have to sell crap to make a living then?

I met Bob once and never talked to him, but I know Jean still

plays

for fun and profit. Are you actually asking why people try to make
money in a capitalistic system? What a dumb question.

I'm not dissing capitalism. The point is if "advantage play"
was a winner, then these so-called math experts wouldn't bother
selling junk, they'd play the game they claim to be an expert at.

>
> THEN, please explain why CASINOS PAY THEM MONEY to hold seminars

on

> CASINO PROPERTY?

Because the casinos know that most people won't spend the time and
effort to play correctly. Most folks have real jobs. I've

discussed

advantage play with several other people and almost all of them

still

will not take the time. This doesn't change the FACT that

advantage

play is the BEST approach for playing video poker. Certainly,

Rob's

system adds NOTHING, otherwise he could show the math behind the
system.

Rob's system adds COMMON SENSE. Anyone who says they expect to
lose 70% of the time yet expects people to buy his software to learn
how to win, certainly lacks it.

> Do you actually believe that a 5 coin difference for a full-

house

> actually means anything if you never hit the full house??

Hahahaha!

Is this supposed to make sense? Based on YOUR logic do you

actually

believe a 1875 coin difference in quad aces/kicker means anything

if

you never hit the quad aces/kicker? Hahahaha!

The point is, GURU, that if I don't ever hit the hand in my lifetime,
it doesn't mean squat to me what it pays. I don't plan to spend
every waking hour chasing a meaningless percentage. I want dollars
in my pocket after I play regardless of what the paytable is. 6/5
BP will give me that just as easily as 10/7 DB will, all you need to
do is get the cards you need, just like any game. If not, you will
be a loser. For example....

I dropped $1,090 in Biloxi this weekend. Why? Because the 2 dealt
4-to-the-royals I got on $2 8/5 BP didn't pan out, nor did the 3
dealt trip Aces on $2 8/5 DDB. So I left. Full Houses didn't mean
anything this time out, because I didn't get any. Get it?

> Now, is this bonuspokergod or deadin7? Or both? And what are your
> real name/s?

What's the difference mean to you?

Nothing.

You are unable to prove or
disprove anything and are good at copying and quoting perfect-world
theory. A life of fantasy.....

Quoting? Yes, why would I want to reprove something that's already
been proven. And, it's actually more a life of fact instead of your
cowards' life. Now go home to your mama, little Robbie, before those
panties get too tight.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> As for playing Rob's system, just remember what I've said many
times. You will have more short term successes and a few larger
losses.
> Good luck.
> Dick

Isn't this a statement to behold. This geek can only see a bundle

of

smaller wins followed by some theoretical devastating loss--while
curiously disregarding the fact that far more huge winners will
appear along the way that render the large loss here and there
insignificant. This is a typical reply from a nobody who wants to

be

somebody. His theory apparently says that the large loss will come,
the smaller wins will come, but nowhere will the larger wins ever

be

realized. Hmmmm.... See what I mean about how this mutated computer
fairy thinks?

Let's see. If I start at $1 and progress (2,5,10) up to $25 and lose
400 credits on each level I lose 400+800+2000+4000+10000 = 17,200.
This is the theoretical loss on one of your losing sessions. Agree?

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:

> > Dick, do you HONESTLY believe that any casino anywhere offers
any
> > game that will allow people to hammer on it for hours on end

and

> > make consistent money on it?
>
> Yes.

Well, that about sums up your IQ.

Could you be less specific?

See the Las Vegas strip if you
have any questions.

I don't play on the strip anymore. Haven't in 7-8 years. I look for
positive games. Here's my short list on the south side of LV. Sam's
Town, Monte Lago, Stations (GVR, Sunset and Fiesta Henderson).

>
> >
> > If such a practice were possible, then please explain why Bob
> Dancer
> > & Jean Scott have to sell crap to make a living then?
>
> I met Bob once and never talked to him, but I know Jean still
plays
> for fun and profit. Are you actually asking why people try to

make

> money in a capitalistic system? What a dumb question.

I'm not dissing capitalism.

Yes you are. You asked why someone would want to "sell", ie. make
money and then you berate them for doing it.

The point is if "advantage play"
was a winner, then these so-called math experts wouldn't bother
selling junk, they'd play the game they claim to be an expert at.

I see you failed miserably in your logic course in school. If A
implies B (advantage play works) and A implies C (experts sell their
ideas) this does NOT mean that C implies ^B. Do you use this twisted
logic all the time or just when Rob asks you to.

> >
> > THEN, please explain why CASINOS PAY THEM MONEY to hold

seminars

on
> > CASINO PROPERTY?
>
> Because the casinos know that most people won't spend the time

and

> effort to play correctly. Most folks have real jobs. I've
discussed
> advantage play with several other people and almost all of them
still
> will not take the time. This doesn't change the FACT that
advantage
> play is the BEST approach for playing video poker. Certainly,
Rob's
> system adds NOTHING, otherwise he could show the math behind the
> system.

Rob's system adds COMMON SENSE.

And what would that be? The earth is flat?

Please provide the "common sense" that would make one believe Robs'
system will work for anyone else. The coward won't even guarantee it.
Do you believe everything you read?

> > Do you actually believe that a 5 coin difference for a full-
house
> > actually means anything if you never hit the full house??
Hahahaha!
>
> Is this supposed to make sense? Based on YOUR logic do you
actually
> believe a 1875 coin difference in quad aces/kicker means anything
if
> you never hit the quad aces/kicker? Hahahaha!

The point is, GURU, that if I don't ever hit the hand in my

lifetime,

it doesn't mean squat to me what it pays.

And that's a point? You mean you've never had a full house in
your "lifetime"? Boy, you are unlucky.

I don't plan to spend
every waking hour chasing a meaningless percentage. I want dollars
in my pocket after I play regardless of what the paytable is. 6/5
BP will give me that just as easily as 10/7 DB will, all you need

to

do is get the cards you need, just like any game. If not, you will
be a loser. For example....

I dropped $1,090 in Biloxi this weekend. Why? Because the 2 dealt
4-to-the-royals I got on $2 8/5 BP didn't pan out, nor did the 3
dealt trip Aces on $2 8/5 DDB. So I left. Full Houses didn't mean
anything this time out, because I didn't get any.

But if did have one and were playing a positive game (like 10/7 DB)
then you would have had a couple of more hands to play, maybe you
would have got something. I suppose you didn't had a flush either.
Not to mention the many more hands you could have played with your
money when not playing a progression ...

Get it?

Absolutely. Neither of my two 4RF panned out these last two days
either. I never had 4 aces either but then they wouldn't mean much at
OEJs. This is why you should play the best game possible. In my case
I came out $145 ahead over 12 hours of gambling, but then I'm sure
you're much happier with your loss.

Let's see, if you were playing Rob's flat earth system and maxed out
at $2, that means you started at .10. You probably can't wait for
that next $400 royal after losing over $1,000.

In any event, if you've been reading my posts you'd know these
individual sessions mean nothing when attempting to understand how
one should gamble for the rest of their life.

Dick

PS. Last time I was in Biloxi they had FP OEJs.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:

> This is what you consider "advantage" play. I would call it
stupidity.

You can call it what you want, but you could have a Royal or quad
aces playing the extra $25. I suspect the next time your boss asks

you if you want a raise you'll turn him down. Same logic!

Let me make you look stupid here once again. What else could anyone
expect other than a left-handed answer like the one you gave. You
also could have had a royal or a quad early on, and the stupidity
of 'advantage play' then shows, as the player plays until it's all
gone and then some. When it makes you look OK you say one thing,
then when someone makes you look bad you say another. You like to
peel down the onion. The only problem is we enjoy watching you look
like a dope in doing so - while you can only make believe it isn't
so.

Which I have also done. So, why'd you even bring this up?

You absolute brute you! I suspect since you take any opportunity to
interject meaningless personal feats, you relive them over and over
from your armchair position as RGM: Math Guru and VP Expert
Extraordinaire! Keep that towel by your side to wipe those sweaty
hands.....

And, the next time you get his luck and he gets yours. Now, who's
ahead?

The guy who knew how to quit when he attained his goal, instead of
playing on and on like a moronic addict. Doesn't take a genius to
figure that out Dicky. Slipping a bit?

Anyone can get "lucky" in the short term. What else would you call

a lottery winner? No optimal play supporter would EVER deny this.

And just what is it that you call yourself as you are dealt AhThJh
and draw QhKh? I suppose that's the result of some sort of skill?
The skillful part is in training yourself to walk after reaching win
& loss goals. VP players, as a whole, cannot do that easily because
the game is the most addictive in the casino. Learn how to do it,
however, and you'll learn how to win--and you won't be on here any
longer whining away at others who are major steps ahead of your
foolish theories.

The difference is that over time, you'll get better results using
expert play strategies playing the best machines you can find.

Prove that nonsense works, then prove how many people win, then
prove how they win with human error. It's all theory, and no one
wins on theory. But it sells, gullible people like you buy it, and
those who make money off of preyed-upon individuals such as yourself
pretend the money came from gambling when it does not.

Keep in mind, expert play is has nothing to do with luck.

Every winning hand is the result of luck, bozo. Think about it. And
since previous or future hands have nothing to do with each other,
each hand is to be considered on its own merit. You may think it's
skillful hitting to 2 pair and getting a FH, but the only skill
involved was in hitting the proper buttons. How hard is that, Ace?

And even more winning. That's why I often make reference to the

bell curve.

List all those who win! All you have is a paper theory with a
handful of supporters who are wannabees just like you. I like the
theory that says we'll walk on Mars someday. That doesn't mean it
will ever be.

Once again, 8/5 BP is a NEGATIVE machine. I would never suggest
anyone invest large sums of money in a negative machine. Also,

being a lower volatility machine you will experience losses more
often than on a high volatility machine. The net result over time
will still be a factor of the overall payback of the machine.

Gee, a negative machine? And I win most of my sessions by using it?
I guess I'm a negative bump on that famous bell curve!

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:

> Dick, do you HONESTLY believe that any casino anywhere offers

any game that will allow people to hammer on it for hours on end and

make consistent money on it?

Yes.
   
Keep dreaming from your armchair, and then go out and see if you can
do it.

I met Bob once and never talked to him, but I know Jean still

plays for fun and profit. Are you actually asking why people try to
make money in a capitalistic system? What a dumb question.

I think the easy question was why do they HAVE to sell all that junk
they do as well as their time, when they can simply play a few more
hours a week and make TONS more according to their theories. Answer:
Take a guess, Einstein. And then ask yourself why Bob's book wasn't
titled "Three Million Dollar Video Poker".

> THEN, please explain why CASINOS PAY THEM MONEY to hold seminars

on CASINO PROPERTY?

Because the casinos know that most people won't spend the time and
effort to play correctly.

Incomplete answer. Few if any people take the time & effort to
play 'correctly'--but 'correctly' is not what you mean it to be.
Aside from the obvious, Bob's job is to get people in, to brow-beat
them into spending long hours playing every dime they can scrape up
from any means possible, and to come back and do it again next week.
In short, he is an walking advertisement for new meat (customers),
and they pay him to do that. I believe that is immoral and
manipulative on both sides' part. Jean your Queen has the same
stigma. Casinos know she herds around the weak, the impressionable,
and those who cannot think for themselves. They in turn prey on her
to rope in her flock. And here's some proof for you, professor: 2
years ago both of them denounced cruise ship video poker. Now
because they are paid a fee, they wholeheartedly support it--knowing
the games have zero regulation. You support a fine bunch, dicky.

Did your "inside info" source relate this "administratively

maintained"randomness to a game's ER?

For example, do these programed hot and cold streaks still result
in an ER of 98.98% for a 9/6 DDB game.
If not, is the ER higher, or lower, or does it vary, and how could

the machines pass NV inspections?

I was told the game's ER does not change, and because it is
theoretical anyway, there is no accurate way to test it. The best
answer I could get regarding how the game could still be considered
to be random is that the winning hands that would make up the game's
theoretical payout are mainly incorporated into the hot streaks--a
random hand yet not really occuring at a random time. I know people
think this is odd and maybe not true, but I choose to lean on the
side of believing it because my results more or less mirror this
input.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:

> The bell curve is only a crutch

No, it's a fact of basic statistical math. It's not good, bad or
indifferent. It just is. By the way, exit polls are not an example

of a bell curve. They are an examples of statistical sampling
methods and require a much deeper understanding than a simple bell
curve. I just wanted to see if you knew the difference.

In other words, the bell curve is only a crutch for you as you
waffle away with your theories.

It's no different than the theory Scott, Hughes, Wong, Dancer and
Paymar dangle in front of weak players in order to take money from
them. That scam is why I'm here, and my progress is what bothers you
no end.

No, the reason I'm here is to expose YOU as the liar and fraud you
are. And, I'm doing a fine job.

I'm not convinced of that. Let's see--there's how many people on
vpfree that can easily write on this one, and more people here are
in favor of stringing you up than me so far. A fine job, my friend.

> Talk about lying....You're big problem here is that I win when

you cannot -- how I actually play the game and win when you only do
so on paper while you lose in the casinos. It bothers you that you
have to scrape together dollars from whatever means possible and
only make a few trips a year to Nv., when I own the place.

And what property would that be. Cowards 'r us?

???

> What bothers you is that my system HAS turned it into a positive
> expectation as proven by me with piles of historical data.

Personal data means NOTHING. It is proof of NOTHING, other than

your obviously enlarged ego. Let's hear you say it again. "I'm a VP
guru, I'm a star, I'm a ..." It's very clear what your motives are.
And the fact you won't come forward with your real name pretty much
sums up what you REALLY are.

Historical data means nothing? Guess how the B2 bomber was developed-
-on some kind of theory? Here's a flash, Einstein: THEY USED AS MUCH
HISTORICAL DATA AS WAS AVAILABLE, and thse who bid it did so with
that data, and NOT some theoretical swag. That's how this world
turns, and it's why theoretical idiots like youeself are not allowed
to manage it.

OK. You're so predictable. How many subject changes is this now?

It must be real tough knowing you've completely lost this debate. Is

that why you won't post your name?

A debate takes 2 intelligent minds. One's in Arizona.

Tom, would you please post my real name for this paducah--you know
why I can't do it.

> I can whip that stuff up with one hand tied behind my back.

Kind of like your gambling systems.

Yeah, good point....when you pay others to do it for you!

More lies from the "liar guru". And where is your proof of the

above statement? Nowhere to be found. But, since you're interested,
I make my own strategy cards for OEJs which is my primary game. I do
own winpoker. Got it before it was BDPW and I use it for the other
games I play. So, tell me again just who I'm obligated to? The

only "drivel" I see is your last statement.

I suppose when you can't afford to buy it you do it yourself. What
is OEJ? 1-eyed jacks? I've never heard of that game. You're
certainly right up there with the best of them! And call it what you
will, the only reason you make believe you came before the sales
people is because you seem to have an ego of your own.....OEJ's--is
there a kicker in that game too? My my my.

  
Nobody cares about your results except you.

And you. and you. and you. and you......

I will little Robbie. It must be a great life, I mean having to

live in that yellow slime all the time, it's no wonder you're such a
loser.

Let's stick with the Minnesota Fats moniker just a wee bit longer if
you can take it. But if you start to get chest pains or weak knees
let me know, and I'll have the 3 Stooges come over and help you out.

You're the one that's come forward and stated advantage play

doesn't work and you have a better system. (Go back and reread your
first post in the thread.)

That's 100% right. But their system was first, and until now there's
been no challenge to it. I'll be glad to make a guarantee for
anyone "who plays exactly as I do and has the same personal
circumstances"--as I say over and over everywhere I write. So let's
see you get them to pay a guarantee to everyone who says they do it
right but still loses!

> I said name a player, not to tell me to read something. You

can't even follow directions, which proves you're lazy to go with
being a fool.

I guess that must mean you can't read. Or, you don't know how.

Can't even go back to the archives. Who's the lazy/stupid one?
Little Robbie!

Isn't that how a punished child reacts?

I've never said that and I'm the one in THIS discussion. Another
obvious attempt to waylay the discussion from your fradulent

system.

You're simply a parrot for them and you know it. If it weren't for
them you'd be having weekly meetings with old computer fairies who
neither fit into this generation nor the one that came before. All
they've got now is their googly-eyes and rusted out slide rules. You
wanted more, so you got hooked by video poker and the unattainable
theories that surround it all. And you now have no choice but to
make believe all that nonsense is real, because if it weren't, you'd
end up in the cuckoo's nest.

Now you're getting it. I never thought you'd understand.

Yes, that's the waffle I'm talking about.

That may or may not be true and, of course, you ignore those who

have won lots of money. But how does this prove your flat earth
system works? It doesn't, it's just your cowards' way out of
discussing your fradulent system.

There's that famous Dicky Waffle again! Those who have supposedly
won 'lots' of money, if true, have only done so because they've
experienced more good luck than others. For verification, go ahead
and speak to bob Dancer this time around, and ask him why he didn't
write about what happened the 3 years prior to or 2 years after that
6-month lucky streak his book's about. Would it make more sense to
say "I won $2.2million over 4 years and write all about it? You be
the judge, but I don't expect you'll tell us what you really think.

  
And a game, like TicTacToe, that can be examined with 100%

accuracy with todays' computers. So once more, for the obviously
slow witted like little Robbie, it IS an "application in
mathematics". Were you the one who said a computer could never beat
a chess master?

An application in mathematics is only applicable to machine vs.
machine. TTT could mathematically be explained to perfection long
before computers were created. Now because computers show
irrefutable video poker evidence in machine vs. machine, AND IT JUST
SO HAPPENS THAT HUMANS CAN GAMBLE WITH THE GAME, opportunists such
as Wong, Paymar, Dancer, Scott & Hughes saw a crack where they could
take other people's money while making believe they were the end-all
in the game. Please get your facts straight before posting any
further on TTT.

  
He took a general approach that covers your strategies and any

other progressive strategy as a subset.

I thought you had some education. "General approach" is vague and
unsupportable. And that's what Reid did in his attempt.

He proved that NO progressive system based on uneven payoffs (your
increasing denoms) can make a negative game positive. However, you
stated in an earlier post that you reviewed his paper. I guess that
was just another lie. Oh, and don't forget your 3 mythical math guys
that also reviewed it.

He did no such thing as it relates to how I play the game. THAT'S
the part I reviewed as well as my 3 advisors reviewed, only no one
said it was HIS theory that was looked at. Generalizing is the
easiest way out of any situation, and that's what you rest your
laurels on here.

> In large organizations (private or Gov't.) the geekish

programmers

> (aka 'computer fairies) were the laughing stock of the joints.
Sure they were. And, could this be another famous RS bigotted

reply?

They are what they are, and of all people you should know that.

No, I'm just having way to much fun with this one. ROTFL. Maybe

you should check with all your friend/s.

I think you got stuck and made the most of it.

Yes, Rob Singer is a bigot.

I guess I'm not like you. I tell the whole truth about everything as
I see it--not making believe how I wish it were.

Yep, another generalization. I will agree around 2/3 of the people
are overweight. Wait a sec, that's now the average in the US.

And you don't believe that a video poker player MUST have above-
average self-respect in order to own the discipline & determination
that make up a winning player?

> Then you're
> the same fool who can't figure anything else out here.

I can figure this out. You are a complete bigot.

You're a fool and I'm a bigot. I'll take bigot. Fools are ugly and
look stupid to boot.

Nope, the only one I've ever read is the one referenced in a

previous post by Bonus...Rob...Tom...whatever. Why would I want to
when you show what an egotistical bigot and coward you really are
right here on this forum.

Just like them all, the first thing you do every Tues. or Wed. is
look at my site for the latest. A good dose of the truth makes
people do such things.

> Huh?? You're being a kook again. You're precious >100% paybacks

ARE mostly from promotions today and not the pay tables. Are you
here? Hello!

Not a surprising reply from an idiot like you. Do you always act
really stupid when completely caught in a lie? Where's those

casino managers now? Where are all the FPDW? Where is an intelligent

response from little Robbie? Nowhere to be found!

You're way out there somewhere, and you're losing ground fast. You
care about 'those' casino managers, do your own research, i.e., get
that lazy butt up and actually DO something about it for a change
instead of making up theories about everything. No, they weren't all
FPDW. I've seen 8/5 and 7/5 BP games removed. Check with Sue at
Ramada Express on a $10 BP machine that I beat the hell out of--ask
why it's gone! Kind of puts a kink in that theory....again.

But, you stated last week that the casino managers didn't like

them? Can't you remember what you said last week? And, you want
people to believe you're always truthful. What a crock!

I suppose when you run out of answers as you commonly do here, you
make more stuff up.

In other words, you have no idea. Just what I thought, another lie.

No, I ask you to do your own research. It'll help thosae love
handles out a little too. (Or at least they USED to be
called 'love').

Was this response to another question and you misplaced it or have
you completely lost your composure? Or, are you saying Sams Town

has .25 FPDW.

Yeah, many o them.

No, it's all I need to take ALL of your money. So, are we on?

Let's set a date right now. How about 10/21/04 at Sam's Town. We can
meet anywhere (or anytime) you'd like. Just make sure to send Tom
your $600K ahead of time.

1. I hate to repeat the word, but "Hey Dufus", $600k is over the
past 7+ years. I think I may have spent just a teeny weeny bit of it
over time. But I'm good for it. The way I'll do it is both of us put
up the same bond--exactly 1/2 of the largest side of the bet. That
way you can support the mouth you show here.

2. 10/21 is my anniversary, and I don't quite think I'll be leaving
our vacation in Hawaii to meet you anywhere. I realize Hawaii's out
of the question for you because it won't satisfy your need to gamble-
-and the cost might be prohibitive.

Let's see if I get this straight. You believe I'm a crusty old man
and you get a woody over my wife whose pretty close to me in age.
Need I say more? Do you spend a lot of time at graveyards getting
your kicks? Probably the only place you can ...

One foot in the grave? Yikes! you're right!!

If I did change the subject, then let me refresh you. You were the
moron who came up with the idiotic short term examples when I

asked for "general applicability". You seem to want everyone to know
you have no clue what the difference is. I have no problem pointing
it out over and over. Perfect!

Typically vague. I can't argue that.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
And, it's actually more a life of fact instead of your

cowards' life. Now go home to your mama, little Robbie, before

those panties get too tight.

Let's see....a life of fact? You make believe there's hundreds
of 'advantage play' people lurking around the casinos of LV. Is that
why they keep renovating the joints and why they're all so
successful? Remeber when the Suncoast has a ton of 'positive' games
up thru at least $2? Every bozo 'advantage player' in town spent
hours there chasing a theory every day, and the Suncoast then became
the most successful casino in LV history. I sure wish I had the same
sense of fact that you do!

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:

Let's see. If I start at $1 and progress (2,5,10) up to $25 and

lose

400 credits on each level I lose 400+800+2000+4000+10000 = 17,200.
This is the theoretical loss on one of your losing sessions. Agree?

Typically, you only provide a portion of the truth. Yes it's
theoretical, but so is a $100,000 royal along the way (dealt QQQ
with 3-to-the-royal and I hit the RF because a quad in $25 BP would
not have allowed me to attain any goals). And I've never experienced
2000 credits with no cashouts. But I do have one of those royals, as
well as several $10 and numerous 5's. The whole system is predicated
upon the fact that a good winner will come, and the longer it takes
the larger it becomes. That's why bankroll, determination, and
always doing what you say you are going to do are the keys. If
casino manager knew what I was about to do when I went in to play
this way, they never allow me to sit down.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:

In any event, if you've been reading my posts you'd know these
individual sessions mean nothing when attempting to understand how
one should gamble for the rest of their life.

That's where you're delerious. In real life, people care about and
plan for the rest of their lives. In gambling, the only thing that
makes sense is to win every time you play, otherwise you will become
a puppet in every casino manager's dream. Why do you think they want
all players to come back? Even you, Dicky.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
> > Dick, do you HONESTLY believe that any casino anywhere offers
any game that will allow people to hammer on it for hours on end

and

> make consistent money on it?
>
> Yes.
   
Keep dreaming from your armchair, and then go out and see if you

can

do it.

Been there, done that. What next? Oh, proof? Right after you supply
your name. But then you don't have the guts do you?

> I met Bob once and never talked to him, but I know Jean still
plays for fun and profit. Are you actually asking why people try to
make money in a capitalistic system? What a dumb question.

I think the easy question was why do they HAVE to sell all that

junk

they do as well as their time, when they can simply play a few more
hours a week and make TONS more according to their theories.

Answer:

It's called leverage. I thought your MBS would have taught you that
simple business concept.

>
> > THEN, please explain why CASINOS PAY THEM MONEY to hold

seminars

on CASINO PROPERTY?

I already explained that below, but then you don't want the truth
because then you couldn't pedal your worthless system.

>
> Because the casinos know that most people won't spend the time

and

> effort to play correctly.

Incomplete answer. Few if any people take the time & effort to
play 'correctly'--but 'correctly' is not what you mean it to be.

Yes it is.

Aside from the obvious, Bob's job is to get people in, to brow-beat
them into spending long hours playing every dime they can scrape up
from any means possible, and to come back and do it again next
week.

I could care less what Bob does with his time. He is NOT the topic of
this discussion. Your system fraudulent system is. And, I doubt very
much anyone out to make a buck would spend much time brow beating any
individuals. No leverage.

In short, he is an walking advertisement for new meat (customers),
and they pay him to do that. I believe that is immoral and
manipulative on both sides' part.

Like I said Bob is not the topic. I don't know enough about him to
comment. It's also obvious this is an attempt on your part to shift
the discussion from you fraudulent system.

Jean your Queen has the same
stigma. Casinos know she herds around the weak, the impressionable,
and those who cannot think for themselves.

Sure they do. Actually, if you want some truth. The casinos will hire
anyone that they think can bring in more folks. You know
entertainers: magicians, comedians, singers, etc. It's a numbers game
with them. Guess what? They're looking for leverage. What a concept.

By the way, I've skimmed her book (my wife bought it) and it provides
simple, easy to follow advice. I had learned most of it on my own
before I read the book, but it was nice getting confirmation. You
should try it.

They in turn prey on her
to rope in her flock. And here's some proof for you, professor: 2
years ago both of them denounced cruise ship video poker. Now
because they are paid a fee, they wholeheartedly support it--

knowing

the games have zero regulation. You support a fine bunch, dicky.

I don't support or condemn either of their business affairs, Robbie.
I do condemn you for promoting a fraudulent system and not having the
guts to state your own name when ridiculing others.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

> Keep dreaming from your armchair, and then go out and see if you
can do it.

Been there, done that.

Right. You brute you!

What next? Oh, proof? Right after you supply

your name. But then you don't have the guts do you?

Since proof to you means drawing a theory up on a piece of paper, I
just don't think I'll ask for it this time around.....

  
It's called leverage. I thought your MBS would have taught you that
simple business concept.

What? A new word? Leverage?? On what? How about the truth--how about
greed, desperation, and deception?

I already explained that below, but then you don't want the truth
because then you couldn't pedal your worthless system.

you explained nothing but a useless theory again. that's all you're
life seem to be made up of. I wonder if that walleye was virtual too.

> Aside from the obvious, Bob's job is to get people in, to brow-

beat them into spending long hours playing every dime they can scrape
up from any means possible, and to come back and do it again next

week.

I could care less what Bob does with his time.

That's because what I say, even though it's the truth, fits into one
of your correct theories. And you shy away from swallowing that.

And, I doubt very much anyone out to make a buck would spend much
time brow beating any individuals. No leverage.

Doubts are just more feel-good theories that people without much
experience continually use. Remind you of anyone?

> In short, he is an walking advertisement for new meat

(customers), and they pay him to do that. I believe that is immoral
and manipulative on both sides' part.

Like I said Bob is not the topic. I don't know enough about him to
comment.

You don't know enough about him because you choose to block it out.
It would put a kink in your 'advantage-play' theory about video
poker, and that would be disastrous to you when you get those sweaty
hands as you enter LV in Oct.

> Jean your Queen has the same stigma. Casinos know she herds

around the weak, the impressionable, and those who cannot think for
themselves.

Sure they do. Actually, if you want some truth. The casinos will

hire anyone that they think can bring in more folks. You know

entertainers: magicians, comedians, singers, etc. It's a numbers

game with them. Guess what? They're looking for leverage. What a
concept.

Wrong again. The casinos only want people who will gamble, and not
stiffs. They couldn't care less about those who don't play--you know,
like the geek convention of tekkies held almost every year in LV.
That's hotel business only. Those nimrods are useless to casinos, and
only go there for the titty shows, the cheap buffets, and and to see
the new gadgets some other geek developed. Jean turns the stiffs into
beginning players who believe every word she speaks because they
don't know any better. She knows how to prey on the weak and
uninformed.

By the way, I've skimmed her book (my wife bought it) and it

provides simple, easy to follow advice.

Like her 1st book on how to rummage thru garbage cans for coupons,
how to book flights on busy routes so you can purposely get bumped
and grab $100, or how to stuff your own personal doggie bag at the
buffets? And all this from a so-called 'frugal' player who goes
through thousands when she can get her hands on it.

I had learned most of it on my own before I read the book, but it was
nice getting confirmation. You should try it.

You want REAL confirmation? Then ask your wife to call her hero and
find out why Jean and her live-in HAD to sell "The Condo We'll NEVER
Sell" in Indiana. Should be a fun answer to you. You love make-
believe.

I don't support or condemn either of their business affairs, Robbie.

That's pure BS. You praise everything each of them do, and I've seen
your posts about it over the years. You guys love patting each other
on the backs because few important people ever will.

I do condemn you for promoting a fraudulent system and not having

the guts to state your own name when ridiculing others.

A critic who condemns. What a surprise! If Tom will post my name,
you'll be left speechless?

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
> > The bell curve is only a crutch
>
> No, it's a fact of basic statistical math. It's not good, bad or
> indifferent. It just is. By the way, exit polls are not an

example

of a bell curve. They are an examples of statistical sampling
methods and require a much deeper understanding than a simple bell
curve. I just wanted to see if you knew the difference.

In other words, the bell curve is only a crutch for you as you
waffle away with your theories.

No waffling here, but Mr. MBS clearly didn't know the difference.
that's what I wanted to know.

>
> No, the reason I'm here is to expose YOU as the liar and fraud

you

> are. And, I'm doing a fine job.

I'm not convinced of that. Let's see--there's how many people on
vpfree that can easily write on this one, and more people here are
in favor of stringing you up than me so far. A fine job, my friend.

You want to try that in english next time? If I've upset anyone it's
most likely for continuing this discussion with you. You're already
well known as an egotistical liar. I suspect most have already
filtered this topic out which makes your claims more than a little
suspect.

In any event, I've still doing a fine job exposing you as the liar,
fraud and egotistical bigot that you are.

>
> > Talk about lying....You're big problem here is that I win when
you cannot -- how I actually play the game and win when you only do
so on paper while you lose in the casinos. It bothers you that you
have to scrape together dollars from whatever means possible and
only make a few trips a year to Nv., when I own the place.
>
> And what property would that be. Cowards 'r us?
???

Was that duh or huh or I'm too stupid to understand?

>
> > What bothers you is that my system HAS turned it into a

positive

> > expectation as proven by me with piles of historical data.

Your historical claims mean NOTHING. So, either you have proof or you
don't. In your case you don't.

>
> Personal data means NOTHING. It is proof of NOTHING, other than
your obviously enlarged ego. Let's hear you say it again. "I'm a VP
guru, I'm a star, I'm a ..." It's very clear what your motives

are.

And the fact you won't come forward with your real name pretty much
sums up what you REALLY are.

Historical data means nothing? Guess how the B2 bomber was

developed-

-on some kind of theory?

Yes, lot's of theories AND experience and lot's of complicated
mathematics.

Here's a flash, Einstein: THEY USED AS MUCH
HISTORICAL DATA AS WAS AVAILABLE, and thse who bid it did so with
that data, and NOT some theoretical swag.

You just made my point. "AS MUCH HISTORICAL DATA AS WAS AVAILABLE".
You ask people to take ONE example (you) and go with it.

That's how this world
turns, and it's why theoretical idiots like youeself are not

allowed

to manage it.

Clearly, you know about as much about how the world runs as any mamas
boy could. Try taking off the blinders someday. And, thanks for
making my point again.

>
> OK. You're so predictable. How many subject changes is this now?
It must be real tough knowing you've completely lost this debate.

Is

> that why you won't post your name?

A debate takes 2 intelligent minds. One's in Arizona.

I'm sure there's several in Arizona, you just don't happen to be one
of them.

Tom, would you please post my real name for this paducah--you know
why I can't do it.

Now you want Tom to act as your mama? Suck it up, little Robbie. When
YOU have the guts to give me YOUR name then we can get somewhere.
Until then you are a nothing.

>
> More lies from the "liar guru". And where is your proof of the
above statement? Nowhere to be found. But, since you're interested,
I make my own strategy cards for OEJs which is my primary game. I

do

own winpoker. Got it before it was BDPW and I use it for the other
games I play. So, tell me again just who I'm obligated to? The
> only "drivel" I see is your last statement.

I suppose when you can't afford to buy it you do it yourself.

Can't buy it. It's not available.

What
is OEJ? 1-eyed jacks? I've never heard of that game.

You don't get around much, do you?

You're
certainly right up there with the best of them!

Thank you.

And call it what you
will, the only reason you make believe you came before the sales
people is because you seem to have an ego of your own.....

No, it's because it's the truth. First, I did some research where I
learned that VP could be positive. I used alt.rec.gambling to extract
a little info. Since the only "potentially" positive game (OEJs) in
my area was not mentioned in any of the literature, I had no choice
but to do my own analysis. I found a free program, vpfreebie, that I
could use to learn to game and I wrote my own hand analysis and game
analysis programs.

OEJ's--is
there a kicker in that game too? My my my.

Nope.

>
> Nobody cares about your results except you.

And you. and you. and you. and you......

ROTFL. Nobody cares about your results except you.

>
> I will little Robbie. It must be a great life, I mean having to
live in that yellow slime all the time, it's no wonder you're such

a

loser.

Let's stick with the Minnesota Fats moniker just a wee bit longer

if

you can take it. But if you start to get chest pains or weak knees
let me know, and I'll have the 3 Stooges come over and help you out.

I'm not a very good pool player but if you want to compare me with
one of the best talents in his chosen field, feel free.

>
> You're the one that's come forward and stated advantage play
doesn't work and you have a better system. (Go back and reread your
first post in the thread.)

That's 100% right. But their system was first, and until now

there's

been no challenge to it. I'll be glad to make a guarantee for
anyone "who plays exactly as I do and has the same personal
circumstances"--as I say over and over everywhere I write. So let's
see you get them to pay a guarantee to everyone who says they do it
right but still loses!

Cop out. You are such a coward. First of all, advantage play is
NOONEs' system. It's a direct interpretation of the math. Now, let's
see YOUR math from which YOU interpret YOUR system.

> > I said name a player, not to tell me to read something. You
can't even follow directions, which proves you're lazy to go with
being a fool.
>
> I guess that must mean you can't read. Or, you don't know how.
Can't even go back to the archives. Who's the lazy/stupid one?
Little Robbie!

Isn't that how a punished child reacts?

You ask for something that was readily available and you weren't
willing to look for it yourself. Not only that, you had replied
directly to them so no work should have even been required. I guess
mama must not be there to help you out. Or, more likely, you're too
drunk to remember.

>
> I've never said that and I'm the one in THIS discussion. Another
> obvious attempt to waylay the discussion from your fradulent
system.

You're simply a parrot for them and you know it.

Nope, you'd like it to be true but it isn't. You keep backing away
from me you sniveling coward.

If it weren't for
them you'd be having weekly meetings with old computer fairies who
neither fit into this generation nor the one that came before. All
they've got now is their googly-eyes and rusted out slide rules.

You

wanted more, so you got hooked by video poker and the unattainable
theories that surround it all. And you now have no choice but to
make believe all that nonsense is real, because if it weren't,

you'd

end up in the cuckoo's nest.

The gutless bigot in you is no more obvious than when you go on one
of these ridiculous tirades.

>
> That may or may not be true and, of course, you ignore those who
have won lots of money. But how does this prove your flat earth
system works? It doesn't, it's just your cowards' way out of
discussing your fradulent system.

There's that famous Dicky Waffle again!

Once again, no waffle here. I'm steadfast.

Those who have supposedly
won 'lots' of money, if true, have only done so because they've
experienced more good luck than others.

Now who's waffling?

For verification, go ahead
and speak to bob Dancer this time around, and ask him why he didn't
write about what happened the 3 years prior to or 2 years after

that

6-month lucky streak his book's about. Would it make more sense to
say "I won $2.2million over 4 years and write all about it? You be
the judge, but I don't expect you'll tell us what you really think.

Is there some point to this ramble? Gambling winnings are generally a
result of better than average luck, losses are a result of worse than
average luck. All gamblers will have streaks of both. The only
control one has is to play accurately and play positive games or not
play at all.

>
>
> And a game, like TicTacToe, that can be examined with 100%
accuracy with todays' computers. So once more, for the obviously
slow witted like little Robbie, it IS an "application in
mathematics". Were you the one who said a computer could never beat
a chess master?

An application in mathematics is only applicable to machine vs.
machine.

Wrong again. Do you even know how to play TicTacToe?

TTT could mathematically be explained to perfection long
before computers were created. Now because computers show
irrefutable video poker evidence in machine vs. machine, AND IT

JUST

SO HAPPENS THAT HUMANS CAN GAMBLE WITH THE GAME, opportunists such
as Wong, Paymar, Dancer, Scott & Hughes saw a crack where they

could

take other people's money while making believe they were the end-

all

in the game. Please get your facts straight before posting any
further on TTT.

My facts are perfectly straight. You claim all us are too stupid to
play VP correctly. I claim we're not.

>
> He took a general approach that covers your strategies and any
other progressive strategy as a subset.

I thought you had some education. "General approach" is vague and
unsupportable. And that's what Reid did in his attempt.

I realize you have no idea what's involved in a mathematical proof.
You still think the earth is flat. "General approach" makes a proof
is more ENCOMPASSING. You are such an idiot.

He proved that NO progressive system based on uneven payoffs (your
increasing denoms) can make a negative game positive. However, you
stated in an earlier post that you reviewed his paper. I guess that
was just another lie. Oh, and don't forget your 3 mythical math

guys

that also reviewed it.

He did no such thing as it relates to how I play the game. THAT'S
the part I reviewed as well as my 3 advisors reviewed, only no one
said it was HIS theory that was looked at.

Just a post ago you were asking who Reid is. Now you've waffled
completely around again. You have no clue.

Generalizing is the
easiest way out of any situation, and that's what you rest your
laurels on here.

Not laurels, PROOF. Something you know nothing about.

>
> > In large organizations (private or Gov't.) the geekish
programmers
> > (aka 'computer fairies) were the laughing stock of the joints.
> Sure they were. And, could this be another famous RS bigotted
> reply?

They are what they are, and of all people you should know that.

I do, you are a bigot.

> No, I'm just having way to much fun with this one. ROTFL. Maybe
you should check with all your friend/s.

I think you got stuck and made the most of it.

Not me. I'm pretty sure anyone who's worked in corporate America
knows all about Dilbert. Well, anyone but you.

>
> Yes, Rob Singer is a bigot.

I guess I'm not like you. I tell the whole truth about everything

as

I see it--not making believe how I wish it were.

Then you are a pretty poor excuse for a human being. You know, if
you'd get to know more people, then you'd understand that it's not
that easy to generalize everyone to meet your preconceived ideas.

>
> Yep, another generalization. I will agree around 2/3 of the

people

> are overweight. Wait a sec, that's now the average in the US.

And you don't believe that a video poker player MUST have above-
average self-respect in order to own the discipline & determination
that make up a winning player?

That's not what we were talking about. You made a generalization that
VP players are fat and lazy and now you're trying to change the
subject, again. Now, if only you had the SELF-RESPECT to state your
name when ridiculing others.

>
> > Then you're
> > the same fool who can't figure anything else out here.
>
> I can figure this out. You are a complete bigot.

You're a fool and I'm a bigot. I'll take bigot. Fools are ugly and
look stupid to boot.

I've has proven many times over that you are a liar and bigot. I'll
take that.

>
> Nope, the only one I've ever read is the one referenced in a
previous post by Bonus...Rob...Tom...whatever. Why would I want to
when you show what an egotistical bigot and coward you really are
right here on this forum.

Just like them all, the first thing you do every Tues. or Wed. is
look at my site for the latest.

Nope, never have and never will. I think anyone who reads these posts
knows my position very well.

A good dose of the truth makes
people do such things.

"Such things"? I see you've lost your train of thought again.

>
> > Huh?? You're being a kook again. You're precious >100% paybacks
ARE mostly from promotions today and not the pay tables. Are you
here? Hello!

I'm here. I think you got lost in your own obfuscation. That has
nothing to do with the point I made.

>
> Not a surprising reply from an idiot like you. Do you always act
> really stupid when completely caught in a lie? Where's those
casino managers now? Where are all the FPDW? Where is an

intelligent

> response from little Robbie? Nowhere to be found!

You're way out there somewhere, and you're losing ground fast. You
care about 'those' casino managers,

YOU brought them up, not me.

do your own research, i.e., get
that lazy butt up and actually DO something about it for a change
instead of making up theories about everything. No, they weren't

all

FPDW. I've seen 8/5 and 7/5 BP games removed.

And, your point was that casino managers loved all the advantage
players. So, I asked why they were removing the good games. Then you
got lost and started rambling about promotions.

Check with Sue at
Ramada Express on a $10 BP machine that I beat the hell out of--ask
why it's gone! Kind of puts a kink in that theory....again.

Actually, it supports my theory. You, on the other hand, should be
happy with any negative machine where you can play flat earth system.

I've got few "favorite" machines too. I don't play that high of denom
so it doesn't get anyones attention. What happened to the other games
in your progression? Was that a lie?

>
> But, you stated last week that the casino managers didn't like
them? Can't you remember what you said last week? And, you want
people to believe you're always truthful. What a crock!

I suppose when you run out of answers as you commonly do here, you
make more stuff up.

I explained it above. Maybe you can recall it now. I guess you must
have been in another one of your drunken stupors.

>
> In other words, you have no idea. Just what I thought, another

lie.

No, I ask you to do your own research. It'll help thosae love
handles out a little too. (Or at least they USED to be
called 'love').

And, you conveniently snipped it. You are so obvious.

>
> Was this response to another question and you misplaced it or

have

> you completely lost your composure? Or, are you saying Sams Town
has .25 FPDW.

Yeah, many o them.

I said >.25. You removed my ">" symbol. What a fool. When you resort
to editing my posts you come across as completely dishonest. I
already knew that and now it's obvious to everyone.

>
> No, it's all I need to take ALL of your money. So, are we on?
Let's set a date right now. How about 10/21/04 at Sam's Town. We

can

meet anywhere (or anytime) you'd like. Just make sure to send Tom
your $600K ahead of time.

1. I hate to repeat the word, but "Hey Dufus", $600k is over the
past 7+ years. I think I may have spent just a teeny weeny bit of

it

over time. But I'm good for it. The way I'll do it is both of us

put

up the same bond--exactly 1/2 of the largest side of the bet. That
way you can support the mouth you show here.

So, now you're running. No surprise. You are such a coward. What
happened to your 10000:1 odds? I'm more than happy to put up my $60.
Just set the time and place.

2. 10/21 is my anniversary, and I don't quite think I'll be leaving
our vacation in Hawaii to meet you anywhere. I realize Hawaii's out
of the question for you because it won't satisfy your need to

gamble-

-and the cost might be prohibitive.

How about when you get back. You set the time and the location in LV,
that was YOUR challenge. Just remember to put up the cash first.

>
> Let's see if I get this straight. You believe I'm a crusty old

man

> and you get a woody over my wife whose pretty close to me in age.
> Need I say more? Do you spend a lot of time at graveyards getting
> your kicks? Probably the only place you can ...

One foot in the grave? Yikes! you're right!!

I usually am in ALL of our discussions.

>
> If I did change the subject, then let me refresh you. You were

the

> moron who came up with the idiotic short term examples when I
asked for "general applicability". You seem to want everyone to

know

you have no clue what the difference is. I have no problem pointing
it out over and over. Perfect!

Typically vague. I can't argue that.

Nothing vague at all. It was a very specific reply on your part
asserting a pool and a vehicle provided proof of the "general
applicability" of your system. Now you run and hide like the
sniveling coward you are.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
And, it's actually more a life of fact instead of your
> cowards' life. Now go home to your mama, little Robbie, before
those panties get too tight.

Let's see....a life of fact? You make believe there's hundreds
of 'advantage play' people lurking around the casinos of LV.

Where did I say that? Nowhere. Get your facts straight or appear like
a complete idiot.

Is that
why they keep renovating the joints and why they're all so
successful? Remeber when the Suncoast has a ton of 'positive' games
up thru at least $2? Every bozo 'advantage player' in town spent
hours there chasing a theory every day, and the Suncoast then

became

the most successful casino in LV history. I sure wish I had the

same

sense of fact that you do!

And then they removed the games. Are we back to this topic again?
This just proves my point.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
> Let's see. If I start at $1 and progress (2,5,10) up to $25 and
lose
> 400 credits on each level I lose 400+800+2000+4000+10000 =

17,200.

> This is the theoretical loss on one of your losing sessions.

Agree?

Typically, you only provide a portion of the truth. Yes it's
theoretical,

Now given your play of 400 credits at the $25 level, how many
sessions should it take, on average, for someone to hit a RF at the
$25 level? 20? 30? Even 10*17,200 comes out to $172,000 in losses.
Actually, it will come out that expectation is the same as the games
payback. What a concept.

but so is a $100,000 royal along the way (dealt QQQ
with 3-to-the-royal and I hit the RF because a quad in $25 BP would
not have allowed me to attain any goals).

And luck plays no part in your results? Sure. You've indicated
previously you don't consider yourself lucky.

And I've never experienced
2000 credits with no cashouts.

I'm willing to go with $16,000 (10*16,000 = $160,000). The expected
results still come out the same as the payback.

But I do have one of those royals, as
well as several $10 and numerous 5's.

So you admit you've been lucky. Now you see why you're ahead. It has
nothing to do with your system.

The whole system is predicated
upon the fact that a good winner will come, and the longer it takes
the larger it becomes.

And this is also the problem. For some, it won't come often enough.

That's why bankroll, determination, and
always doing what you say you are going to do are the keys. If
casino manager knew what I was about to do when I went in to play
this way, they never allow me to sit down.

In your warped mind only.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
> In any event, if you've been reading my posts you'd know these
> individual sessions mean nothing when attempting to understand

how

> one should gamble for the rest of their life.
>
That's where you're delerious.

Better put the bottle down and sign off now.

In real life, people care about and
plan for the rest of their lives. In gambling, the only thing that
makes sense is to win every time you play, ...

So, where's your guarantee?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>

wrote:

> > Keep dreaming from your armchair, and then go out and see if

you

> can do it.
>
> Been there, done that.

Right. You brute you!

Yes.

What next? Oh, proof? Right after you supply
> your name. But then you don't have the guts do you?

Since proof to you means drawing a theory up on a piece of paper, I
just don't think I'll ask for it this time around.....

Only because you don't have the guts to state your real name.

>
> It's called leverage. I thought your MBS would have taught you

that

> simple business concept.

What? A new word? Leverage?? On what? How about the truth--how

about

greed, desperation, and deception?

You don't understand the use of leverage in the business sense? I'm
amazed. Where did you get that MBS, you said Boston College? Are you
sure it wasn't Boston elementary school?

>
> > Aside from the obvious, Bob's job is to get people in, to brow-
beat them into spending long hours playing every dime they can

scrape

up from any means possible, and to come back and do it again next
>week.
>
> I could care less what Bob does with his time.

That's because what I say, even though it's the truth, fits into

one

of your correct theories. And you shy away from swallowing that.

Easy on that bottle Rob. The point is THIS discussion is about you
and your fraudulent system.

And, I doubt very much anyone out to make a buck would spend much
time brow beating any individuals. No leverage.

Doubts are just more feel-good theories that people without much
experience continually use. Remind you of anyone?

It's much better to have a "feel-good theory" that actually works,
then to be a lying bigot who doesn't have the balls to state his own
name. Remind you of anyone?

>
> > Jean your Queen has the same stigma. Casinos know she herds
around the weak, the impressionable, and those who cannot think for
themselves.
>
> Sure they do. Actually, if you want some truth. The casinos will
hire anyone that they think can bring in more folks. You know
> entertainers: magicians, comedians, singers, etc. It's a numbers
game with them. Guess what? They're looking for leverage. What a
concept.

Wrong again. The casinos only want people who will gamble, and not
stiffs.

They're willing to put up with a few stiffs if they can attract more
gamblers.

They couldn't care less about those who don't play--you know,
like the geek convention of tekkies held almost every year in LV.
That's hotel business only. Those nimrods are useless to casinos,

and

only go there for the titty shows, the cheap buffets, and and to

see

the new gadgets some other geek developed.

You mean something like the computer in front of you.

Jean turns the stiffs into
beginning players who believe every word she speaks because they
don't know any better. She knows how to prey on the weak and
uninformed.

You just completely contradicted yourself. First they are highly
intelligent geeks, then they are weak.

>
> By the way, I've skimmed her book (my wife bought it) and it
provides simple, easy to follow advice.

Like her 1st book on how to rummage thru garbage cans for coupons,
how to book flights on busy routes so you can purposely get bumped
and grab $100, or how to stuff your own personal doggie bag at the
buffets? And all this from a so-called 'frugal' player who goes
through thousands when she can get her hands on it.

It appears you read it more closely than I did.

I don't know about you but when I read a book that has lot's of
suggestions I only use those that work for me.

>
> I don't support or condemn either of their business affairs,

Robbie.

That's pure BS. You praise everything each of them do, and I've

seen

your posts about it over the years. You guys love patting each

other

on the backs because few important people ever will.

OK, provide ONE single post where I "praise everything each of them
do"? Just one. How about it. You've made a claim, now either support
it or once again run away like the coward you really are.

> I do condemn you for promoting a fraudulent system and not having
the guts to state your own name when ridiculing others.

A critic who condemns. What a surprise! If Tom will post my name,
you'll be left speechless?

If you post your name I'll be surprised. You're gutless. And just so
you don't forget. EVERYTIME you ridicule me without disclosing your
name you are reaffirming all of my claims. There's only one way out.
But then, a little sniveling coward like you won't take it.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:

Could you be less specific?

> See the Las Vegas strip if you
> have any questions.

I don't play on the strip anymore. Haven't in 7-8 years. I look for
positive games. Here's my short list on the south side of LV. Sam's
Town, Monte Lago, Stations (GVR, Sunset and Fiesta Henderson).

I see I have to spell everything out for you. My point was that
the megaresorts on the strip are built from the profits of addicted
"advantage players". If not brainwashed video poker players, then
blackjack card counters.

> I'm not dissing capitalism.

Yes you are. You asked why someone would want to "sell", ie. make
money and then you berate them for doing it.

Well if it were me, and I had developed a whiz-bang math theory
that JUST CAN'T LOSE, I'd keep it to myself and rake in the profits.
It would be a lot more fun than selling junk trinkets to the sheep,
not to mention it would be more morally satisfying beating the
casinos then taking money out of the pockets of people who can't
afford it but against their better judgement fall for that crap.

4-to-the-royals I got on $2 8/5 BP didn't pan out, nor did the 3
> dealt trip Aces on $2 8/5 DDB. So I left. Full Houses didn't

mean

> anything this time out, because I didn't get any.

But if did have one and were playing a positive game (like 10/7 DB)
then you would have had a couple of more hands to play, maybe you
would have got something. I suppose you didn't had a flush either.
Not to mention the many more hands you could have played with your
money when not playing a progression ...

I'm not out for marathon video poker play, nor a miniscule win
percentage. The less hands I have to play to get a win, the better.

Absolutely. Neither of my two 4RF panned out these last two days
either. I never had 4 aces either but then they wouldn't mean much

at

OEJs. This is why you should play the best game possible. In my

case

I came out $145 ahead over 12 hours of gambling, but then I'm sure
you're much happier with your loss.

Whoopeee!!! You are a madman! 12 hours of breathing dank casino
air filled with smoke and K-Mart's best fragrances, for a
massive $145 profit. Yep, you're right, I am so jealous. Let's see,
12 hours of play, you MUST have seen quite a few quads. Why
only $145 profit??? It's either: 1. You don't know when or how
to quit. 2. You stayed on the same denomination the whole time…
3. You play for points and not money…or 4. All of the above.

Let's see, if you were playing Rob's flat earth system and maxed

out

at $2, that means you started at .10. You probably can't wait for
that next $400 royal after losing over $1,000.

Nope, quarters. A royal at 3 of my 4 levels would wipe out
the loss and provide a profit. A royal at the quarter level would
make a big dent. Not that I count on a royal, because I don't.
Plus, the potential bonus quads will override it as well. Finally, I
spend a tiny fraction of the time that you waste playing.

Of course, I'm pocketing cashouts along the way per Rob's strategy,
so even in the worst case scenario of not reaching a profit goal,
there is always money left over even if I cycle through the
progression without reaching the overall goal. The cashouts are not
used to play "a couple more hands" like the addicts do.

PS. Last time I was in Biloxi they had FP OEJs.

I doubt it's still there if you "pros" have been hammering it to
the tune of $12.08 per hour as you pointed out above. /sarcasm