OK, I'll admit it, I'm lazy today, and it takes me a while to figure
these out. Has anyone already done the math?
Using a basic (not advanced) 9/6 JOB strategy to play 10/6/40 DDB
what's the ER%?
Playing 10/6/40 DDB with 9/6 JOB strategy
Mac McClellan wrote:
OK, I'll admit it, I'm lazy today, and it takes me a while to figure
these out. Has anyone already done the math?Using a basic (not advanced) 9/6 JOB strategy to play 10/6/40 DDB
what's the ER%?
This is something that Frugal Video Poker handles in a flash through
it's "Inherit Strategy Chart" analysis feature. The answer is 99.48%
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Don't have Frugal? It's not too difficult to do the analysis on your
own using the basic game analysis tool in any other video poker
program (although the results likely will reflect "perfect play"
strategy and not basic -- a fairly small difference in return in most
cases).
The trick is knowing that the contribution that any winning hand type
adds to total game return is equal to the hand payout x the frequency
percentage (how often that hand appears in the game).
For example, winpoker shows that in 10/6/40 DDB the Full House
contributes 10.86% to the total game return of 99.95%. The 10.86%
equals the hand payout of 10 per wagered coin x it's frequency of
1.0865% (28237 out of 2598960 total possible distinct 5 card hands
that can be formed from a standard 52 card deck).
To find out how much the full house contributes to play when playing
10/6/40 DDB with 9/6 Jacks strategy, you substitute the frequency with
which the hand appears in 9/6 Jacks: 29919 out of 2598960 = 1.1512% x
10 payout per wagered coin = 11.51% return contribution.
In a similar manner, you translate the return contributions for all
hand types and add up the results. Performing this calculation using
winpoker data you arrive at the same adjusted return of 99.48%.
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I hope it's apparent that the manual calculation with winpoker I've
just described isn't nearly as onerous as it might seem. I
intentionally draw out the details at length in the interest of clarity.
Using a spreadsheet, you simply use the Copy button from the Winpoker
game analysis screen to copy/paste the results into a spreadsheet.
You do this for DDB set with both the 9/6/40 payouts and also the 9/6
payouts of JB (all quad values set to 125, etc.)
Set up a cell to the right with the payout x frequency product for
each hand (using the exported analysis values) for the 10/6/40 results
and sum that column -- you'll duplicate the game return of 99.95%.
Now drop in the hand frequencies from the alternate 9/6 JB results
that you've separately pasted into the spreadsheet (a very simply copy
and paste) and you'll now see the adjusted 99.48%.
Of course, buy Frugal and you have your answer with a couple of
keystrokes.
- Harry
Harry Porter wrote:
I hope it's apparent that the manual calculation with winpoker I've
just described isn't nearly as onerous as it might seem. I
intentionally draw out the details at length in the interest of
clarity.
You realize that this is borne out by a frustration with the
inevitable terseness and vagueness of most printed instructions.
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Last week I took it upon myself to attempt a repair of our dishwasher.
Over the years we've twice had a repairman out for it when it has
similarly just shut down. In both cases they spent 10 minutes
replacing a $6 thermal fuse that is in a faulty compartment that leaks
steam from the dishwasher. Having watched, I figured I could tackle
this on my own.
Between extraordinarily abbreviated instructions that came with the
fuse and a disorienting diagram of the door innards pulled from the
internet, I found myself fiddling with the bastard for over 3 hours --
1/2 installing the fuse and 1/2 trying to get the blasted door put
back together!
With growing volume I vented frustration - drawing on some of the
choicer, and more obscure, words in my vocabulary. I've little doubt
that there's a little bleed through via the common wall of our row
house judging from the very infrequent but intense glares I've drawn
from the next door neighbors on rare occasion subsequent to one of my
tirades.
Tackling this as an early morning 5a job, I ultimately had to pull Bev
out of bed to supervise, just to give me a sanity check. (The b/r is
on the 3rd floor,in case you have doubts that she was still asleep.)
Among the frustrations that morning is the fact that I couldn't seem
to find the appropriate circuit breaker to shut power off to the
machine (I found all 3 other breakers which separately are wired to
the kitchen lights, appliances, and garbage disposal/outlets ... I've
come to refer to the electrician who rewired the house when it was
re-habbed just prior to our purchase 18 years ago as "Crazy Joe" --
our doorbell is on a line all by itself.)
Whether I couldn't find the appropriate breaker, or just didn't manage
to discharge residual power from the machine, when I leapt back from
the dishwasher for the 2nd time within a 3 minute span because I
jolted myself while pressing down on a wire connector to make sure it
was tight and touched a live contact, I sent Bev sprawling onto the
floor in paroxysms of laughter -- during which she mockingly and
repeatedly stabbed her finger into the air (<poke> "Ow!!" <poke>
"Ow!! <poke> ...)
Now reassembled, the dishwasher is still dead in the water. A service
rep is due shortly.
- Harry
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:
The trick is knowing that the contribution that any winning hand
type
adds to total game return is equal to the hand payout x the
frequency
percentage (how often that hand appears in the game).
For example, winpoker shows that in 10/6/40 DDB the Full House
contributes 10.86% to the total game return of 99.95%. The 10.86%
equals the hand payout of 10 per wagered coin x it's frequency of
1.0865% (28237 out of 2598960 total possible distinct 5 card hands
that can be formed from a standard 52 card deck).To find out how much the full house contributes to play when playing
10/6/40 DDB with 9/6 Jacks strategy, you substitute the frequency
with
which the hand appears in 9/6 Jacks: 29919 out of 2598960 =
1.1512% x
10 payout per wagered coin = 11.51% return contribution.
In a similar manner, you translate the return contributions for all
hand types and add up the results. Performing this calculation
using
winpoker data you arrive at the same adjusted return of 99.48%.
------
Old dog learns new trick. Very nice trick, Harry!! Thanks for the
information.
mickeycrimm wrote:
Old dog learns new trick. Very nice trick, Harry!! Thanks for the
information.
Mickey, I consider that one of the finest compliments I've received in
ages 
Best of luck this year, eh!
- H.
Thanks Harry!
Now I'm smarter than a few moments ago, but I feel stupid. Isn't it
funny how the two often go together?
I was never aware of the "Inherit" function in FVP.
Previously when I clicked "StrategyCharts" I saw the "Choose Strategy
Charts for Game Play" item grayed out. I learned this was only
available for tweeked charts, and I've tweeked several.
It seemed to me this would be the logical place to pick other charts
for use, and since that wasn't allowed I further assumed it wasn't an
available feature -- once again proving that making assumptions is a
bad thing. (sigh)
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:
This is something that Frugal Video Poker handles in a flash through
it's "Inherit Strategy Chart" analysis feature. The answer is
99.48%
···
ROTFL! I read it to Chris and she's cracking up too.
Mac
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
Whether I couldn't find the appropriate breaker, or just didn't manage
to discharge residual power from the machine, when I leapt back from
the dishwasher for the 2nd time within a 3 minute span because I
jolted myself while pressing down on a wire connector to make sure it
was tight and touched a live contact, I sent Bev sprawling onto the
floor in paroxysms of laughter -- during which she mockingly and
repeatedly stabbed her finger into the air (<poke> "Ow!!" <poke>
"Ow!! <poke> ...)
Last week I took it upon myself to attempt a repair of our
dishwasher.
Over the years we've twice had a repairman out for it when it has
similarly just shut down. In both cases they spent 10 minutes
replacing a $6 thermal fuse that is in a faulty compartment that
leaks steam from the dishwasher. Having watched, I figured I could
tackle this on my own....................
···
-In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
==============================================
Harry, after reading your tale of dishwasher repair frustration, I
have concluded that you may be EH's second cousin, thrice removed.
Or, perhaps the delusion that you are capable of repairing various
household appliances is just a male-thing. In any event, in our
house, EH has been permanently banned from any repair work more
complicated than changing a light bulb.
The last time that EH attempted to fix anything that wasn't working
(except for ME) in our house, we were both still in our 20s!
We were living in our first little house in Suburbia, with our baby
son and a large and beautiful Boxer (dog).
The Boxer was an AKC Champion. His good health was vital to our
financial security at the time, since we offered him at stud to
various lady Boxers. The owners of these lucky bitches paid us $75
for his services. He performed in this manner about once a week.
When the owner of the bitch was a nice looking lady, I discouraged
EH from trying to make package deals.
Since EH was not earning a lot more than the dog in those days, you
can imagine just how valuable the creature was to our family.
One morning, as I was preparing breakfast, I noticed that the
kitchen faucet was still dripping, after the water had been shut off.
EH glanced at the offending piece of metal and announced that he
could fix it quickly and easily with some putty. He said that there
was no way that he was paying some @#$%&* plumber $25.00 (HAH!) to
make a service call.
He was soon back from the hardware store with the putty. Sure
enough, within just few minutes, he had unscrewed the faucet,
applied the putty, and stopped the leak. EH then threw the
remaining putty into an open garbage container, and left for his
office.
Later that day, while making lunch, I noticed that faucet was once
again leaking. While this unhappy news was registering, I noted
that the dog seemed to be unwell. He was lying on the floor,
making ominously strange noises. Soon he attemped to stand up and
flopped over in a dead faint.
I rushed to the phone and called EH, who had driven our one car to
work. He raced home, loaded the still comatose cash cow...er...dog
into the vehicle, and took us all on a wild ride to our veterinarian.
After the vet had inspected the X-Ray ($25.00) he diagnosed the dog
with a bowel obstruction. Immediate surgery was required to save his
life ($200). Recuperation after the surgery would preclude him
being used for propagation purposes for at least 3 months. (-$900)!
When the surgery had successfully been completed, the Vet came out
to the waiting room. He was carrying a large lump of some grayish
material. "This is what we removed from his bowel"., he explained,
as he held up the wad of faucet-fixing putty.
Addendum: The dog survived to sire many more litters of puppies. EH
received a substantial raise in salary. The plumber fixed the
faucet and only charged $22.50.
~Babe~
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:
Since EH was not earning a lot more than the dog in those
days, . . .
~Babe~
. . . and not experiencing nearly as much satisfaction, I would
imagine.
(hee hee hee!)
Neil M.
Also a entirely XCP response. Dis not read you entire post, will later. Many years ago, my wife dropped her contact lens down the sink and called at work in a panic. I told not to run the water, block the door \so our 4-5 years olds could not get in there and use the other bathroom. When I got home , she informed that she had not ran the water and the cl may still be there, (which turned out to be true, btw, but on with the FIMNSHO story), I determined that my largest wrenc was not large enoug, so I went down to my local, large hardware store and bought a huge, ecpensive wrench!! I told them truthfully I was not sure it was big enough ,could I return it if so? They say yes, I make a lot fo typos, bear with me, it slows me down terriblt to fix them, I am typing this fro a hospital room:-) I took it home, it worked, I was able to undo the p-trap(right name ?) under the sink, retrieve the contact lens, put it back together, and return the wrench for a refund, all within
90 minutes or so. I told the hardware people the wrench was not big enough.ThAT WAS ALIE, LET THIS this serve as my public apology, 34 years later''
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jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com> wrote: -In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
Last week I took it upon myself to attempt a repair of our
dishwasher.
Over the years we've twice had a repairman out for it when it has
similarly just shut down. In both cases they spent 10 minutes
replacing a $6 thermal fuse that is in a faulty compartment that
leaks steam from the dishwasher. Having watched, I figured I could
tackle this on my own....................
Harry, after reading your tale of dishwasher repair frustration, I
have concluded that you may be EH's second cousin, thrice removed.
Or, perhaps the delusion that you are capable of repairing various
household appliances is just a male-thing. In any event, in our
house, EH has been permanently banned from any repair work more
complicated than changing a light bulb.
The last time that EH attempted to fix anything that wasn't working
(except for ME) in our house, we were both still in our 20s!
We were living in our first little house in Suburbia, with our baby
son and a large and beautiful Boxer (dog).
The Boxer was an AKC Champion. His good health was vital to our
financial security at the time, since we offered him at stud to
various lady Boxers. The owners of these lucky bitches paid us $75
for his services. He performed in this manner about once a week.
When the owner of the bitch was a nice looking lady, I discouraged
EH from trying to make package deals.
Since EH was not earning a lot more than the dog in those days, you
can imagine just how valuable the creature was to our family.
One morning, as I was preparing breakfast, I noticed that the
kitchen faucet was still dripping, after the water had been shut off.
EH glanced at the offending piece of metal and announced that he
could fix it quickly and easily with some putty. He said that there
was no way that he was paying some @#$%&* plumber $25.00 (HAH!) to
make a service call.
He was soon back from the hardware store with the putty. Sure
enough, within just few minutes, he had unscrewed the faucet,
applied the putty, and stopped the leak. EH then threw the
remaining putty into an open garbage container, and left for his
office.
Later that day, while making lunch, I noticed that faucet was once
again leaking. While this unhappy news was registering, I noted
that the dog seemed to be unwell. He was lying on the floor,
making ominously strange noises. Soon he attemped to stand up and
flopped over in a dead faint.
I rushed to the phone and called EH, who had driven our one car to
work. He raced home, loaded the still comatose cash cow...er...dog
into the vehicle, and took us all on a wild ride to our veterinarian.
After the vet had inspected the X-Ray ($25.00) he diagnosed the dog
with a bowel obstruction. Immediate surgery was required to save his
life ($200). Recuperation after the surgery would preclude him
being used for propagation purposes for at least 3 months. (-$900)!
When the surgery had successfully been completed, the Vet came out
to the waiting room. He was carrying a large lump of some grayish
material. "This is what we removed from his bowel"., he explained,
as he held up the wad of faucet-fixing putty.
Addendum: The dog survived to sire many more litters of puppies. EH
received a substantial raise in salary. The plumber fixed the
faucet and only charged $22.50.
~Babe~
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I mentioned recently that I have made many friends here, you know who you are:-)
Around 4:00 PM PST I am scheduled for a second bout of serious colon surgery.
A message to anyone that cares, and I am always amazed at how many of you are out that care. I can be called on my direct number here in the hospital at 972 981-2682 until about 4:00 PM PST and if all goes well, at the same number probably starting around noonish tommorow. I hope I can watch a little NFL football Sunday. I will post a note here when I feel up to it., I have my laptop here in the hospital.
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back to Vegas and us to hit the FPDW again even though
Hard Rock took theirs out. I don't think I could
handle another hit like I took at those machines.
Take care,
Bill
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I mentioned recently that I have made many
friends here, you know who you are:-)
Around 4:00 PM PST I am scheduled for a second
bout of serious colon surgery.
A message to anyone that cares, and I am always
amazed at how many of you are out that care.
can be called on my direct number here in the
hospital at 972 981-2682 until about 4:00 PM PST
and if all goes well, at the same number probably
starting around noonish tommorow. I hope I can watch
a little NFL football Sunday. I will post a note
here when I feel up to it., I have my laptop here in
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mac McClellan" <mac_mcclellan@...>
wrote:
OK, I'll admit it, I'm lazy today, and it takes me a while to figure
these out. Has anyone already done the math?Using a basic (not advanced) 9/6 JOB strategy to play 10/6/40 DDB
what's the ER%?
This is quite handy: http://videopoker.fws1.com/wrong_strat.html
Mac McClellan wrote:
> Using a basic (not advanced) 9/6 JOB strategy to play 10/6/40 DDB
> what's the ER%?
deuceswild1000 wrote:
This is quite handy: http://videopoker.fws1.com/wrong_strat.html
Yes, 5-card's "Wrong Strategy" table is an excellent resource.
However, it doesn't provide an entry that answers this particular
question.
- H.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...>
wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mac McClellan" <mac_mcclellan@>
wrote:
>
> OK, I'll admit it, I'm lazy today, and it takes me a while to figure
> these out. Has anyone already done the math?
>
> Using a basic (not advanced) 9/6 JOB strategy to play 10/6/40 DDB
> what's the ER%?
Why just not take the time to learn it correctly? DDB is easier to
play than Jacks.
Paladin wrote: Why just not take the time to learn it correctly? DDB is
easier to play than Jacks.
Doubtful --- for a variety of reasons
1. Basic game --- there are far fewer exceptions in JoB.
For example, ALL high pairs in JoB better than RF3s --- not true in DDB.
2. Penalty cards --- Even players who don't normally make
the effort to learn penalty cards (like Jean Scott, according to her own
words), learn them in JoB because they are very easy and the game is at
so many places that it pays to learn them. 10-6-40 DDB is a "relatively"
uncommon game, so you're not going to find it in many places, plus the
penalty card situations in DDB are more numerous and arguably more
difficult.
3. Gaming writers --- 9/6 JoB is the game that ALL video
poker writers discuss. This means the video poker community has been
exposed to knowledge about this game. DDB 10-6-40 has been rarely
discussed.
Although I disagree with Paladin's premise (that DDB is easier to learn
than JoB), I agree with his statement that it makes sense to learn the
game if you're going to play it.
Bob Dancer
For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com
Yes, I started to acknowledge that and decided to just say this is
handy. Maybe I should have added close enough for Govmt. work.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
Mac McClellan wrote:
> > Using a basic (not advanced) 9/6 JOB strategy to play 10/6/40 DDB
> > what's the ER%?deuceswild1000 wrote:
> This is quite handy: http://videopoker.fws1.com/wrong_strat.htmlYes, 5-card's "Wrong Strategy" table is an excellent resource.
However, it doesn't provide an entry that answers this particular
question.- H.
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Would someone please check the FVP strategy change feature and version #?
Harry posted 99.48% using 9/6 JB strategy playing 10/6 DDB. My FVP is VER #
1.1.0.10 and shows 99.590957. This number is for using "no penalty card"
strategy. My program shows 99.593489 using perfect strategy. Is there a
newer version of FVP? My FVP shows the same 99.590957 when set on "Strategy
Charts" or "Perfect Play".
5-card
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5-Card wrote: <<Is there a
newer version of FVP? >>
No, and I believe you have the most current version - 1.1
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5-card wrote: Would someone please check the FVP strategy change feature
and version #? Harry posted 99.48% using 9/6 JB strategy playing 10/6
DDB. My FVP is VER # 1.1.0.10 and shows 99.590957.
Without getting into the details of FVP, Harry was talking about 10-6-40
and you seem to be talking about 10-6-50. That could account for this
difference.
Bob Dancer
For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com