According to the statement, he shoulkdn't be 86d. The roober was not a patron by definition.
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Peppermill Security Policy
According to the statement, he shoulkdn't be 86d. The robber was not
a patron by definition.
Peppermill Security may have used the word "person" instead of patron.
Anyways their rule stands.
In a phone call last night, my friend told me the lady who was robbed
had just deposited several thousand dollars worth of chips in her purse
when attacked and received a fractured wrist in the altercation. So at
the very least the robber is charged with grand larceny plus whatever
the charge is for causing her bodily harm.
My friend told me there was one more thing about the incident he hadn't
told me. When he was told he would not be allowed to retreive his
money from the poker table and had to immediately leave the casino
through a side door or be arrested for tresspass he got incensed and
refused to leave. He stuck his wrists out and said "go ahead" to which
they immediately cuffed him. The ccp in charge of hauling him off even
asked Peppermill Security "Are you sure you guys want to do this." My
friend was hauled off to jail where he was processed in then processed
out because he had the $300 bail on him.
Subsequently, he contacted the poker room manager whom he knows well.
He explained the situation to him and the guy said he would do what he
could and contacted Peppermill Security The poker room manager then
called my friend back and told him he had arranged for him to get his
money($980)from the poker room and get his money out of his safe
deposit box, and for the trespass charge to be dropped, but he couldn't
get the 86 lifted. He said something like "just come to the front
door, contact security, who will contact me, and I will come down and
walk you through everything."
Now, my friend knows that if he does what the poker room manager
requests he could be setting himself up to get jackpotted again. So he
contacts his lawyer (his lawyer is quite a character) and tells him of
the situation and if he will escort him to the Peppermill he will buy
his lunch.
So they went down to the Peppermill, everything went smoothely, and off
to lunch they went. His lawyer, true to form, ordered the most
expensive thing on the menu, then tore right in on the topshelf booze.
My friend was stung for a $190 tab, plus tip, and cabfare for his
drunken lawyer.
He can apply for reinstatement in six months.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Sonova Fitch <sonovafitch@...> wrote:
I've often noticed that no good deed goes unpunished...
chetkl
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, Sonova Fitch <sonovafitch@ ...> wrote:
According to the statement, he shoulkdn't be 86d. The robber was not
a patron by definition.
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--- On Thu, 2/5/09, mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re:Peppermill Security Policy
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 1:09 PM
There has been a turn of events. The poker room manager went to bat
for my friend. He took the story to one of the big bosses. Whoever
the guy is, he had my friend completely reinstated.
Reason prevails.............................sometimes 
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--- On Sun, 2/8/09, mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:
for my friend. He took the story to one of the big bosses. Whoever
the guy is, he had my friend completely reinstated.
There has been a turn of events. The poker room manager went to bat
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After being treated so shabily why would anyone go back? He was
arrested and had to bail himself out. I think the best course of
action is to leave the place in the dust and let any news outlet that
will listen know about it. Pick a slow news day. Oh and eventually
when they convict the real theif and show the casino video they can
related this story again.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
There has been a turn of events. The poker room manager went to bat
for my friend. He took the story to one of the big bosses. Whoever
the guy is, he had my friend completely reinstated.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001" <krajewski.sa@...>
wrote:
After being treated so shabily why would anyone go back? He was
arrested and had to bail himself out. I think the best course of
action is to leave the place in the dust and let any news outlet that
will listen know about it. Pick a slow news day. Oh and eventually
when they convict the real theif and show the casino video they can
related this story again.
Well, that would be cutting his nose off to spite his face. "Al" is a
winning poker player, a winning video poker player, and had a ton of
comp at stake.
He had just recently returned to Reno and was not too happy with the
poker, video poker situation anyway. But losing the Peppermill poker
room would severely dent his ability to make money in Reno. As it is,
even though he was reinstated, even though he prefers Reno to Las Vegas
for living conditions, he is talking about going back to LV.
He tells me that the poker action in Reno, except for when the
tournaments are going on, is just nothing these days compared to what
it used to be. And, of course, him and I both know what the video
poker used to be in Reno. We both exploited alot of juicy vp plays
around Reno from 2002 until 2006. The vp in Reno is like the poker,
it's nothing compared to what it used to be.
There has been a turn of events. The poker room manager went to bat
for my friend. He took the story to one of the big bosses. Whoever
the guy is, he had my friend completely reinstated.
I still would contact Bob Nesarian an Attorney who represents Card
Counters and advantage players wronged by Casinos. This is an agregious
act and I suspect he would be very happy to take this on.
He is in Las Vegas I suspect in the phone book. This one would settle
out of court.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
>
> There has been a turn of events. The poker room manager went to
bat
> for my friend. He took the story to one of the big bosses.
Whoever
> the guy is, he had my friend completely reinstated.
I still would contact Bob Nesarian an Attorney who represents Card
Counters and advantage players wronged by Casinos. This is an
agregious
act and I suspect he would be very happy to take this on.
He is in Las Vegas I suspect in the phone book. This one would settle
out of court.
The player is allowed back on property and had his comps reinstated.
What purpose would hiring the attorney serve?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "KayJay" <RaaaJaaa@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
Wasn't he illegally detained and handcuffed? He should get
compensation for that. You can't let the casinos bully you around.
Also, there's a good possibility he's now in the "book". He should try
to get his record cleared.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:
The player is allowed back on property and had his comps reinstated.
What purpose would hiring the attorney serve?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
> The player is allowed back on property and had his comps
reinstated.
> What purpose would hiring the attorney serve?
Wasn't he illegally detained and handcuffed? He should get
compensation for that. You can't let the casinos bully you around.
Also, there's a good possibility he's now in the "book". He should try
to get his record cleared.
If he got the 86 reversed I don't see how he'd be in a Griffen-type
book. If he was cuffed and kidnapped for a few hours then he might (I
stress might..this is Nevada we're talking about) be able to get some
sort of settlement.
The downside is he'd likely be persona non grata at Pepp after filing.
Given the fact that Mickey said this player values having the Pepp as a
store to shop at I just don't see the upside to hiring an attorney....
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@> wrote:
If he got the 86 reversed I don't see how he'd be in a Griffen-type
book. If he was cuffed and kidnapped for a few hours then he might (I
stress might..this is Nevada we're talking about) be able to get some
sort of settlement.
Kidnapping is a federal offense. We're talking FBI. It's a violation
of the Bill of Rights, not to mention a violation of English Common Law.
The downside is he'd likely be persona non grata at Pepp after filing.
What, are they gonna 86 him again? For what? For having an attorney?
That's part of the Miranda Rights.
Given the fact that Mickey said this player values having the Pepp as a
store to shop at I just don't see the upside to hiring an attorney....
Rights aren't granted, they have to be asserted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zTxUxFjLB0
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:
I know it worked out to the satisfaction of the person in this story, but I
would be livid if I had been handcuffed and booked in a situation like this
even if later I was told everything was "ok."
I think I'd like to send some sort of message that the casino's behavior was
out of line...and while I might not need/want monetary compensation, usually
that is the way to get a business to sit up and take notice of their
policies and possibly make some changes.
Of course, we are dealing with casinos and the money may not really matter
to them. So, I'm glad I heard this story about the Peppermill via this
board...while I may never hear of a lawsuit about a situation like this,
word of mouth does get around. Will make me think twice about dropping my
$$ in the Peppermill coffers.
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:17 PM, nightoftheiguana2000 < nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "hockeystl"
<vegasstl@...> wrote:
Wasn't he illegally detained and handcuffed? He should get
compensation for that. You can't let the casinos bully you around.
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I know it worked out to the satisfaction of the person in this
story, but I
would be livid if I had been handcuffed and booked in a situation
like this
even if later I was told everything was "ok."
I think I'd like to send some sort of message that the casino's
behavior was
out of line...and while I might not need/want monetary
compensation, usually
that is the way to get a business to sit up and take notice of their
policies and possibly make some changes.Of course, we are dealing with casinos and the money may not really
matter
to them. So, I'm glad I heard this story about the Peppermill via
this
board...while I may never hear of a lawsuit about a situation like
this,
word of mouth does get around. Will make me think twice about
dropping my
$$ in the Peppermill coffers.
He probably had to sign something to get the trespass charge
dropped. I'll ask him the next time I talk to him. Also, I don't
think he would have a case if he sued. Security has the right to 86
anyone without cause. He refused to leave the property after being
told that if he didn't leave he would be charged with tresspass.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jayne <jaynedoe13@...> wrote:
I was just catching up on thepost but if all is this is true then what
a nice story in the newspaper it would make. I am sure the Peppermill
would love not to have "negative" publicity. Can you imagine how the
average person is going to react? I would think it would behoove them
not to upset this guy. Your friend will likely have to testify at any
court hearing and somehow a smart attorney can bring out in the open
what happen to your friend. I am surprise there is not a good
samartain rule in place in the casino or Nevada for that matter.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
There has been a turn of events. The poker room manager went to bat
for my friend. He took the story to one of the big bosses. Whoever
the guy is, he had my friend completely reinstated.
Good luck on getting the local newspaper - RGJ to write anything about
this. The Peppermill is a big customer and advertiser, and they would
not want to lose that business. They would simply pass - "not news
worthy". Now maybe the National Enquirer might be interested?
How many juicy stories that go on in the casinos are never printed in
the newspapers? Freedom of the press and objective reporting sounds
good in theory, but money rules.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gamblinggrandma" <gamblinggrandma@...>
wrote:
I was just catching up on thepost but if all is this is true then
what
a nice story in the newspaper it would make. I am sure the
Peppermill
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would love not to have "negative" publicity. Can you imagine how the
average person is going to react?
Without talking to a lawyer first? He's never heard of the Miranda
Rights? He probably signed away his shot at the biggest jackpot of his
life. A poker player should know it hardly ever pays to be passive.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Jul-06-Sun-2003/news/21616613.html
"The casinos are committing crimes when they take someone to the
backroom against their will for the purpose of evicting or questioning
them. It's second-degree kidnapping." - BOB NERSESIAN ATTORNEY"
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
He probably had to sign something to get the trespass charge
dropped.
http://www.tgifridays.com/promos/bogo_coupon.aspx?fromMyP
Regards
A.P.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
> He probably had to sign something to get the trespass charge
> dropped.Without talking to a lawyer first? He's never heard of the Miranda
Rights? He probably signed away his shot at the biggest jackpot of his
life. A poker player should know it hardly ever pays to be passive.
2003/news/21616613.html
"The casinos are committing crimes when they take someone to the
backroom against their will for the purpose of evicting or questioning
them. It's second-degree kidnapping." - BOB NERSESIAN ATTORNEY"
Every damn one of you keep going off into tangents. You don't know the
life of a professional gambler. You think you do, but you don't. Try
walkling the life of a professional gambler. Try it on for size.
Let's see whst you do, big fella. You got some trash to talk? Try
talkimg that trash to a man who has lived it.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
Every damn one of you keep going off into tangents.
You don't know the life of a professional gambler.
You think you do, but you don't. Try walkling the
life of a professional gambler. Try it on for size.
Let's see whst you do, big fella. You got some trash
to talk? Try talkimg that trash to a man who has lived
it.
Apparently being a professional gambler makes
you very angry.