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Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

#1

In a message dated 12/14/2009 1:39:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hohohondo@yahoo.com writes:

You can't pay simply with your players card at stores. The VIP lounges at
Mohegan are 99 percent better than Caesars Palace. The management at
Mohegan Sun really knows how to keep us coming back.

Totally agree with you - it's much easier to shop at the Sun, too, more
places to spend your points! Lounge at Caesars was bad when I was there
about a year ago, I can imagine what it's like now.

Sandy

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#2

Will agree with you about the lounges but saying that MS management "really knows how to keep us coming back.." I think is a bit of a stretch considering the latest round of downgrades.

  Larry F.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, SAbramo102@... wrote:

In a message dated 12/14/2009 1:39:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hohohondo@... writes:

You can't pay simply with your players card at stores. The VIP lounges at
Mohegan are 99 percent better than Caesars Palace. The management at
Mohegan Sun really knows how to keep us coming back.

#3

My only complaints with the Sun are the fact that you need to qualify twice a year (unlike HET where qualifying in a calendar year keeps your eligibility thru March of the second year following) and the fact that you can't get an adult beverage after 12:30 weeknights, 1:30 weekends.
I don't drink when I play, so I'd like a nightcap after I'm done. In fairness, however, the latter is a state of CT law, so you ca't really blame the Sun.

But these are really minor, especially when the lounges are open 24/7 with decent and sometimes well-above decent snacks. And the shopping is much better.

BTW, if you're not aware of it, Cascade Electronics has a website that you can order from, as well as what is physically in the store. (You can look at whats available online, but you need to actually place your order thru the store. Just print out the page, so they have the numbers they need. They then ship it, quite reasonably, and you can use your points for everything, including shipping) The website is:

www.cascadeelectronics.awardhq.com

Guru

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From: "SAbramo102@aol.com" <SAbramo102@aol.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 2:24:07 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

In a message dated 12/14/2009 1:39:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hohohondo@yahoo. com writes:

You can't pay simply with your players card at stores. The VIP lounges at
Mohegan are 99 percent better than Caesars Palace. The management at
Mohegan Sun really knows how to keep us coming back.

Totally agree with you - it's much easier to shop at the Sun, too, more
places to spend your points! Lounge at Caesars was bad when I was there
about a year ago, I can imagine what it's like now.

Sandy

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#4

I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, SAbramo102@ wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/14/2009 1:39:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hohohondo@ writes:
>
> You can't pay simply with your players card at stores. The VIP lounges at
> Mohegan are 99 percent better than Caesars Palace. The management at
> Mohegan Sun really knows how to keep us coming back.

  Will agree with you about the lounges but saying that MS management "really knows how to keep us coming back.." I think is a bit of a stretch considering the latest round of downgrades.

  Larry F.

#5

Pretty good Mel, I agree. The Free Play ain't to bad either (;

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From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 7:21:01 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, SAbramo102@ wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/14/2009 1:39:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hohohondo@ writes:
>
> You can't pay simply with your players card at stores. The VIP lounges at
> Mohegan are 99 percent better than Caesars Palace. The management at
> Mohegan Sun really knows how to keep us coming back.

Will agree with you about the lounges but saying that MS management "really knows how to keep us coming back.." I think is a bit of a stretch considering the latest round of downgrades.

Larry F.

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#6

I definitely agree on that point Joel. The lack of freeplay/cashback was the biggest negative for the Sun vs. AC. Now it is no contest. I think that management was very, very smart to institute the freeplay. I know that that has been the tipping point for us a couple of times to make a trip to the Sun. (H'mm, free room, someone entertaining we'd like to see, free food with points, oh and some free play besides - hey honey, let's pack a suitcase)

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From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 8:46:11 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Pretty good Mel, I agree. The Free Play ain't to bad either (;

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From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@yahoo. com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 7:21:01 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, SAbramo102@ wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/14/2009 1:39:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hohohondo@ writes:
>
> You can't pay simply with your players card at stores. The VIP lounges at
> Mohegan are 99 percent better than Caesars Palace. The management at
> Mohegan Sun really knows how to keep us coming back.

Will agree with you about the lounges but saying that MS management "really knows how to keep us coming back.." I think is a bit of a stretch considering the latest round of downgrades.

Larry F.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#7

As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

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I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

#8

Ok, time for the Tusconian to put in his comments. I am glad all of you are finally realizing that Mohegan is the best. I still liked the higher point awards, fair pay games, versus freeplay. Vegas off the strip, has playable games, but that keeps changing. At Caesars, the lounge was not even worth going into, and playing games there, was just writing a check. Best thing in Vegas, are the pools. Just in case, anyone wants a change of pace, check out Aquai(sp) in Palm Springs area. By the way, weather is better in Tucson, traffic is not bad, many alternative routes, and they keep improving the roads. We were ranked number one by AARP as best place to retire, number one by business week as best place to raise a family, and have two high schools rated in the top 21 by US News and World Reporting(9,21). And yes we even have casinos, although with the great weather here who has time to go. Only negative, because of all the mountains, no
direct routes, to other areas of town, this is a big place. Another shorts day here(they all have been so far). Stay warm, Happy Holidays, and royals to all. Ciao Don :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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From: Guru Perf <guruperf@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 8:40:19 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I definitely agree on that point Joel. The lack of freeplay/cashback was the biggest negative for the Sun vs. AC. Now it is no contest. I think that management was very, very smart to institute the freeplay. I know that that has been the tipping point for us a couple of times to make a trip to the Sun. (H'mm, free room, someone entertaining we'd like to see, free food with points, oh and some free play besides - hey honey, let's pack a suitcase)

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From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo. com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 8:46:11 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Pretty good Mel, I agree. The Free Play ain't to bad either (;

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From: mel3dmdmsncom <mel3dmd@yahoo. com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 7:21:01 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, SAbramo102@ wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/14/2009 1:39:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hohohondo@ writes:
>
> You can't pay simply with your players card at stores. The VIP lounges at
> Mohegan are 99 percent better than Caesars Palace. The management at
> Mohegan Sun really knows how to keep us coming back.

Will agree with you about the lounges but saying that MS management "really knows how to keep us coming back.." I think is a bit of a stretch considering the latest round of downgrades.

Larry F.

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#9

Thank for the info.
Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

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From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@att.net>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#10

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ? 180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@...> wrote:

Thank for the info.
Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

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From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

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As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

>>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#11

I'm the original poster.
Now I'll get my 2 cents in about Mohegan Sun blackjack games. They are the best anywhere. For those who know - Sun blackjack is 6 deck hand shuffled, 3-2 for naturals, dealers stay on soft 17, and you can surrender.
I haven't seen that combination anywhere in LV.

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "cdfsrule" <cdfsrule@...> wrote:

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ? 180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@> wrote:
>
> Thank for the info.
> Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@>
> To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas
>
> Â
> As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.
>
> >>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<
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#12

What type of play are you putting through for a 5K gift card and RFB with special lounge access at Wynn?

MS is 270/pt for Pick-em at the $10 and $25 level. Pickem is 99.95 EV, any of those at Wynn? All other VP is 150/pt which is .66.

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From: cdfsrule <cdfsrule@gmail.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:24:04 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ?
180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@ ...> wrote:

Thank for the info.
Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

____________ _________ _________ __
From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@ ...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Â
As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

>>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#13

Joel,

The $1 Pick'em's in the Old Poker Room have also been "elevated" to 270/pt, unfortunately.

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From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 4:31:49 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

What type of play are you putting through for a 5K gift card and RFB with special lounge access at Wynn?

MS is 270/pt for Pick-em at the $10 and $25 level. Pickem is 99.95 EV, any of those at Wynn? All other VP is 150/pt which is .66.

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From: cdfsrule <cdfsrule@gmail. com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:24:04 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ?
180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@ ...> wrote:

Thank for the info.
Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

____________ _________ _________ __
From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@ ...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Â
As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

>>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#14

Thanks, I didn't know that but it is still a postive play.

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From: Guru Perf <guruperf@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:42:19 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Joel,

The $1 Pick'em's in the Old Poker Room have also been "elevated" to 270/pt, unfortunately.

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From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo. com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 4:31:49 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

What type of play are you putting through for a 5K gift card and RFB with special lounge access at Wynn?

MS is 270/pt for Pick-em at the $10 and $25 level. Pickem is 99.95 EV, any of those at Wynn? All other VP is 150/pt which is .66.

____________ _________ _________ __
From: cdfsrule <cdfsrule@gmail. com>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:24:04 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ?
180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@ ...> wrote:

Thank for the info.
Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

____________ _________ _________ __
From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@ ...>
To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

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As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

>>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#15

You will have to put in $100k to $500K (maybe more) a day, depending on theo. You'll need a comp of a $1-$5K ($2k should be ok) day to live well at the wynn/encore (but trip total + host good will is the only thing that really matters) -- unless you force them to put you in a cheap room, etc. It's only really RFB if it's less then your comp, of course (sigh). It used to be way easy there--Free play was like 0.22%, bonus bingo 0.22% (or more!!), so without comps 9/6JOB was break even. No more of course. I liked the (hidden) Asian lounge (behind baccarat) -- in truth it wasn't much (MS lounges are in some way MUCH better), but butler service was fun. They have (had ?) slot tourneys with large buy-ins ($5k-25k) with a 20 to 25% overlay. (125%EV) As for the gift card, the most reliable and lowest CI way to get one is to lose a lot just before xmas...

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, Joel Fink <joel0457@...> wrote:

What type of play are you putting through for a 5K gift card and RFB with special lounge access at Wynn?

MS is 270/pt for Pick-em at the $10 and $25 level. Pickem is 99.95 EV, any of those at Wynn? All other VP is 150/pt which is .66.

#16

Last week I went to book 2 rooms, as a Sacamore during the week Sunday-Thursday you could always get a 2nd room for free. I was told by VIP services they can no longer offer this starting 1/1/10. They suggested going thru your host (who based on play will probably say yes). A small cutback

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To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
From: joel0457@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:58:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

      Thanks, I didn't know that but it is still a postive play.

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From: Guru Perf <guruperf@yahoo.com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:42:19 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Joel,

The $1 Pick'em's in the Old Poker Room have also been "elevated" to 270/pt, unfortunately.

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From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo. com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 4:31:49 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

What type of play are you putting through for a 5K gift card and RFB with special lounge access at Wynn?

MS is 270/pt for Pick-em at the $10 and $25 level. Pickem is 99.95 EV, any of those at Wynn? All other VP is 150/pt which is .66.

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From: cdfsrule <cdfsrule@gmail. com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:24:04 PM

Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ?

180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@ ...> wrote:

Thank for the info.

Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

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From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@ ...>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

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As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

>>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#17

I always thought the 2nd room was $29. Still not a bas deal.

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From: steve des <redsox69@hotmail.com>
To: vpfree_newengland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 11:58:42 AM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Mohegan Comps

Last week I went to book 2 rooms, as a Sacamore during the week Sunday-Thursday you could always get a 2nd room for free. I was told by VIP services they can no longer offer this starting 1/1/10. They suggested going thru your host (who based on play will probably say yes). A small cutback

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
From: joel0457@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:58:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

  Thanks, I didn&#39;t know that but it is still a postive play\.

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From: Guru Perf <guruperf@yahoo.com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:42:19 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Joel,

The $1 Pick'em's in the Old Poker Room have also been "elevated" to 270/pt, unfortunately.

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From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo. com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 4:31:49 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

What type of play are you putting through for a 5K gift card and RFB with special lounge access at Wynn?

MS is 270/pt for Pick-em at the $10 and $25 level. Pickem is 99.95 EV, any of those at Wynn? All other VP is 150/pt which is .66.

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From: cdfsrule <cdfsrule@gmail. com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:24:04 PM

Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ?

180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@ ...> wrote:

Thank for the info.

Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@ ...>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Â

As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

>>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#18

I've only gotten a second room twice, and both times it was $29. Once was on a Wednesday, the other was a Saturday. If you got it free, count your blessings that it lasted as long as it did.Or maybe it was a "mercy comp" 'cause you've only won 7 World Championships?

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From: steve des <redsox69@hotmail.com>
To: vpfree_newengland@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 11:58:42 AM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Mohegan Comps

Last week I went to book 2 rooms, as a Sacamore during the week Sunday-Thursday you could always get a 2nd room for free. I was told by VIP services they can no longer offer this starting 1/1/10. They suggested going thru your host (who based on play will probably say yes). A small cutback

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
From: joel0457@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:58:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

      Thanks, I didn't know that but it is still a postive play.

________________________________

From: Guru Perf <guruperf@yahoo.com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:42:19 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Joel,

The $1 Pick'em's in the Old Poker Room have also been "elevated" to 270/pt, unfortunately.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo. com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 4:31:49 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

What type of play are you putting through for a 5K gift card and RFB with special lounge access at Wynn?

MS is 270/pt for Pick-em at the $10 and $25 level. Pickem is 99.95 EV, any of those at Wynn? All other VP is 150/pt which is .66.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: cdfsrule <cdfsrule@gmail. com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:24:04 PM

Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ?

180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@ ...> wrote:

Thank for the info.

Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@ ...>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Â

As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

>>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#19

Just to clarify I always payed the $29 going forward in 2010 they offered me $150 for the 2nd room and told me no more 2nd room for $29,
Sorry for not being clear

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To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com
From: guruperf@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:14:16 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Mohegan Comps

      I've only gotten a second room twice, and both times it was $29. Once was on a Wednesday, the other was a Saturday. If you got it free, count your blessings that it lasted as long as it did.Or maybe it was a "mercy comp" 'cause you've only won 7 World Championships?

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From: steve des <redsox69@hotmail.com>

To: vpfree_newengland@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 11:58:42 AM

Subject: RE: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Mohegan Comps

Last week I went to book 2 rooms, as a Sacamore during the week Sunday-Thursday you could always get a 2nd room for free. I was told by VIP services they can no longer offer this starting 1/1/10. They suggested going thru your host (who based on play will probably say yes). A small cutback

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com

From: joel0457@yahoo.com

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:58:04 -0800

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Thanks, I didn't know that but it is still a postive play.

________________________________

From: Guru Perf <guruperf@yahoo.com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 6:42:19 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Joel,

The $1 Pick'em's in the Old Poker Room have also been "elevated" to 270/pt, unfortunately.

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From: Joel Fink <joel0457@yahoo. com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 4:31:49 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

What type of play are you putting through for a 5K gift card and RFB with special lounge access at Wynn?

MS is 270/pt for Pick-em at the $10 and $25 level. Pickem is 99.95 EV, any of those at Wynn? All other VP is 150/pt which is .66.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: cdfsrule <cdfsrule@gmail. com>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Fri, December 18, 2009 11:24:04 PM

Subject: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

I have to say I'm the lone dissenter. If I was equally close to strip as I was to MS, I'd stay at the Wynn (encore), Belagio, even venetian every time now. WIth real RFB, there is no comparison. For example, Wynn Rooms, service, restaurants, pool are far superior. And yes there are some special lounges and services there (for those who know), but you don't need them (given all the other food options). If total return is important-- again its hard to beat Vegas now (MS at $140 point? $270 point LOL). Ever get a $5000 gift card at MS for the holidays? Didn't think so. Of course, having an in-the-open comp account that carries over from trip-to-trip (like MS) is worth something. But behinds the scenes of that vegas RFB is an almost equivalent account. You just need to understand how it works. If you look (hard enough) in LV you should be able to find a $5, 5% theo game with a comp rate of say 0.15% -- that's 0.75% comp. MS at $270 pt is like what, 0.37% ?

180 at 0.56% ? Sigh If they put it back to $90/pnt, I'd prob. change my tune-- though maybe not. Ever spend a day in a Wynn or Belagio Cabana on the house?

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com, Michael Tan <mikeam7788@ ...> wrote:

Thank for the info.

Can Sagamore qualify to go to the 33rd floor lounge?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: William Horgan <bhorgan162@ ...>

To: vpFREE_NewEngland@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 1:30:35 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE_NewEngland] Re: Mohegan Sun vs Las Vegas

Â

As someone who moved to Nevada several years ago, I can tell you without a doubt you have the best of all worlds at the sun. My wife and I enjoyed everything the Sun had to offer, rooms, shows, and all the lounges, including the one at the top. The paytables maybe a little better, full pay is found at many lesser casinos. I have talked to many a marketing director and explained what it is like back there, they can't believe the things that you can do wth your points. The most common comment is the "indians do whatever they want." The biggest plus out here is variety and the weather, but even now as I write this in A Very Chilly Nov. I question that. Good luck to all, I still get a kick reading about everybodys issues back there.

>>> I think MS is much better than the strip for comps, use of points and shows where you don't need to use comp points. The 33rd floor is better than any lounge I have ever been in and they also have plenty of decent VP. In these economic times, and the enormous downgrades in Vegas VP, in my opinion there is no comparison. <<<<

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#20

Lots of strip casinos have that. Look at the wizard of Odds companion site Wizard of Vegas, go to guides then blackjack survey. Click on last column "H. Edge" and house edge of .26% should be those rules. Some of the strip casinos (Caesars) do have high minimums.

http://wizardofvegas.com/guide/blackjack-survey/

David

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--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "HOHOHONDO" <hohohondo@...> wrote:

I'm the original poster.
Now I'll get my 2 cents in about Mohegan Sun blackjack games. They are the best anywhere. For those who know - Sun blackjack is 6 deck hand shuffled, 3-2 for naturals, dealers stay on soft 17, and you can surrender.
I haven't seen that combination anywhere in LV.