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Maniac at Stations

#1

I was at a Stations recently and I saw a player at the 100%+ machines. He was seated between two machines, playing both at the same time, with a Boarding Pass in each machine. And he played fast, banging away on the buttons like a maniac (on both machines). He was frantic enough where people would stop and stare for a bit, myself included. As far as I can tell, he didn’t make any mistakes and it was impressive for the speed and two machines.

Whatever is the opposite of “under the radar” or “discrete”, is what this guy was. It was no secret what he was doing.

I thought that this type of play was discouraged by Stations? I thought that this kind of play would get you backed off? He was there for at least 2 hours, so I don’t think it was a lack of opportunity on Station’s part.

Is Stations more tolerant than I assumed to this kind of play?

#2

I would imagine that the player in question doesn’t receive the top level mailers from the property. Isn’t that the action taken by most Las Vegas casinos these days ?

A.P.

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From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:47:26 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

I was at a Stations recently and I saw a player at the 100%+ machines. He was seated between two machines, playing both at the same time, with a Boarding Pass in each machine. And he played fast, banging away on the buttons like a maniac (on both machines). He was frantic enough where people would stop and stare for a bit, myself included. As far as I can tell, he didn’t make any mistakes and it was impressive for the speed and two machines.

Whatever is the opposite of “under the radar” or “discrete”, is what this guy was. It was no secret what he was doing.

I thought that this type of play was discouraged by Stations? I thought that this kind of play would get you backed off? He was there for at least 2 hours, so I don’t think it was a lack of opportunity on Station’s part.

Is Stations more tolerant than I assumed to this kind of play?

#3

He might be trying to hit a certain level ASAP and then back himself off before he triggers something. My way is to go up a denomination if I am rushed because I can’t play more than 700 hph accurately, but if he can bang out his points and flee to the next casino or wherever, more power to him.

Rich
ACCheapie

#4

I’m OK with the lack of mailers. But my question was more about being backed-off and/or 86d. This used to happen to me all the time as a card-counter. So I assumed that the same would apply to VP players. It was blatantly obvious what he was doing. Stations will eventually kick him out . . . right?

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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

I would imagine that the player in question doesn’t receive the top level mailers from the property. Isn’t that the action taken by most Las Vegas casinos these days ?

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:47:26 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

I was at a Stations recently and I saw a player at the 100%+ machines. He was seated between two machines, playing both at the same time, with a Boarding Pass in each machine. And he played fast, banging away on the buttons like a maniac (on both machines). He was frantic enough where people would stop and stare for a bit, myself included. As far as I can tell, he didn’t make any mistakes and it was impressive for the speed and two machines.

Whatever is the opposite of “under the radar” or “discrete”, is what this guy was. It was no secret what he was doing.

I thought that this type of play was discouraged by Stations? I thought that this kind of play would get you backed off? He was there for at least 2 hours, so I don’t think it was a lack of opportunity on Station’s part.

Is Stations more tolerant than I assumed to this kind of play?

#5

I suppose there could be a “go for broke” mentality here. But he was there for more than 2 hours - it could have been longer, because I left. So Stations exhibited some tolerance for him - I didn’t think that would be the case.

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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:08 AM, cdg…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

He might be trying to hit a certain level ASAP and then back himself off before he triggers something. My way is to go up a denomination if I am rushed because I can’t play more than 700 hph accurately, but if he can bang out his points and flee to the next casino or wherever, more power to him.

Rich
ACCheapie

#6

It is rare for a casino to 86 a video poker player.

They usually do the following.

First thing is you get lower level mailers.

Next thing is you get no mailers
whatsoever.

Finally you will find that your slot card has been invalidated.

When all of the above have been implemented you can no longer be a threat to the casino, so there is no need to trespass you.

If you are an advantage player, you will find a happier hunting

ground and leave on your own accord.

Regards

A.P.

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From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:17:25 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at
Stations

I’m OK with the lack of mailers. But my question was more about being backed-off and/or 86d. This used to happen to me all the time as a card-counter. So I assumed that the same would apply to VP players. It was blatantly obvious what he was doing. Stations will eventually kick him out . . . right?

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

I would imagine that the player in question doesn’t receive the top level mailers from the property. Isn’t that the action taken by most Las Vegas casinos these days ?

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:47:26 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

I was at a Stations recently and I saw a player at the 100%+ machines. He was seated between two machines, playing both at the same time, with a Boarding Pass in each machine. And he played fast, banging away on the buttons like a maniac (on both machines). He was frantic enough where people would stop and stare for a bit, myself included. As far as I can tell, he didn’t make any mistakes and it was impressive for the speed and two machines.

Whatever is the opposite of “under the radar” or “discrete”, is what this guy was. It was no secret what he was doing.

I thought that this type of play was discouraged by Stations? I thought that this kind of play would get you backed off? He was there for at least 2 hours, so I don’t think it was a lack of opportunity on Station’s part.

Is Stations more tolerant than I assumed to this kind of play?

#7

that’s not 100% true though. even after all that you can be a threat to the casino. The way this guy was playing, I assume he’d be in +EV of about $20/hour. While that wont bankrupt Stations, it’s not exactly nothing either.

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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

It is rare for a casino to 86 a video poker player.

They usually do the following.

First thing is you get lower level mailers.

Next thing is you get no mailers
whatsoever.

Finally you will find that your slot card has been invalidated.

When all of the above have been implemented you can no longer be a threat to the casino, so there is no need to trespass you.

If you are an advantage player, you will find a happier hunting

ground and leave on your own accord.

Regards

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:17:25 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at
Stations

I’m OK with the lack of mailers. But my question was more about being backed-off and/or 86d. This used to happen to me all the time as a card-counter. So I assumed that the same would apply to VP players. It was blatantly obvious what he was doing. Stations will eventually kick him out . . . right?

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

I would imagine that the player in question doesn’t receive the top level mailers from the property. Isn’t that the action taken by most Las Vegas casinos these days ?

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:47:26 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

I was at a Stations recently and I saw a player at the 100%+ machines. He was seated between two machines, playing both at the same time, with a Boarding Pass in each machine. And he played fast, banging away on the buttons like a maniac (on both machines). He was frantic enough where people would stop and stare for a bit, myself included. As far as I can tell, he didn’t make any mistakes and it was impressive for the speed and two machines.

Whatever is the opposite of “under the radar” or “discrete”, is what this guy was. It was no secret what he was doing.

I thought that this type of play was discouraged by Stations? I thought that this kind of play would get you backed off? He was there for at least 2 hours, so I don’t think it was a lack of opportunity on Station’s part.

Is Stations more tolerant than I assumed to this kind of play?

#8

People have been playing two 100% machines at stations for years. I’ve never heard of any of them ever getting 86’d or even losing their cards for double machine play. They don’t get very good mailers, but I know of a couple that still even get the multipliers that are available to the public. Most of them eventually build their bankrolls enough to do plays with higher hourly and choose to leave themselves when $20-$30/hour is no longer worth their time. Some others are content with never moving up and are still banging away years later without any casino heat.

#9

I’m not aware of anything at Station casinos that would bring in $20 per hour without benefits. 25 cent full pay deuces played perfectly at 1200 hands per hour will get you $11.40. How long could you maintain that pace with that level of accuracy, and could you justify the work involved in keeping the guy out . If you were a casino manager would you bother reading the trespass act to someone

who is going to hit you for $50 dollars a day ? Maybe some little grind joint, but certainly not a big operation like Station’s.

Remember I said it was a rare occurrence not an impossible one.

Regards

A.P.

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From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent:
Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:28:00 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

that’s not 100% true though. even after all that you can be a threat to the casino. The way this guy was playing, I assume he’d be in +EV of about $20/hour. While that wont bankrupt Stations, it’s not exactly nothing either.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

It is rare for a casino to 86 a video poker player.

They usually do the following.

First thing is you get lower level mailers.

Next thing is you get no mailers
whatsoever.

Finally you will find that your slot card has been invalidated.

When all of the above have been implemented you can no longer be a threat to the casino, so there is no need to trespass you.

If you are an advantage player, you will find a happier hunting

ground and leave on your own accord.

Regards

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:17:25 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at
Stations

I’m OK with the lack of mailers. But my question was more about being backed-off and/or 86d. This used to happen to me all the time as a card-counter. So I assumed that the same would apply to VP players. It was blatantly obvious what he was doing. Stations will eventually kick him out . . . right?

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

I would imagine that the player in question doesn’t receive the top level mailers from the property. Isn’t that the action taken by most Las Vegas casinos these days ?

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:47:26 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

I was at a Stations recently and I saw a player at the 100%+ machines. He was seated between two machines, playing both at the same time, with a Boarding Pass in each machine. And he played fast, banging away on the buttons like a maniac (on both machines). He was frantic enough where people would stop and stare for a bit, myself included. As far as I can tell, he didn’t make any mistakes and it was impressive for the speed and two machines.

Whatever is the opposite of “under the radar” or “discrete”, is what this guy was. It was no secret what he was doing.

I thought that this type of play was discouraged by Stations? I thought that this kind of play would get you backed off? He was there for at least 2 hours, so I don’t think it was a lack of opportunity on Station’s part.

Is Stations more tolerant than I assumed to this kind of play?

#10

This guy was playing more than 1200 hands/hour between the two machines. Seriously, it was quite a sight

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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

I’m not aware of anything at Station casinos that would bring in $20 per hour without benefits. 25 cent full pay deuces played perfectly at 1200 hands per hour will get you $11.40. How long could you maintain that pace with that level of accuracy, and could you justify the work involved in keeping the guy out . If you were a casino manager would you bother reading the trespass act to someone

who is going to hit you for $50 dollars a day ? Maybe some little grind joint, but certainly not a big operation like Station’s.

Remember I said it was a rare occurrence not an impossible one.

Regards

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>

Sent:
Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:28:00 PM

Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

that’s not 100% true though. even after all that you can be a threat to the casino. The way this guy was playing, I assume he’d be in +EV of about $20/hour. While that wont bankrupt Stations, it’s not exactly nothing either.

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

It is rare for a casino to 86 a video poker player.

They usually do the following.

First thing is you get lower level mailers.

Next thing is you get no mailers
whatsoever.

Finally you will find that your slot card has been invalidated.

When all of the above have been implemented you can no longer be a threat to the casino, so there is no need to trespass you.

If you are an advantage player, you will find a happier hunting

ground and leave on your own accord.

Regards

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:17:25 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at
Stations

I’m OK with the lack of mailers. But my question was more about being backed-off and/or 86d. This used to happen to me all the time as a card-counter. So I assumed that the same would apply to VP players. It was blatantly obvious what he was doing. Stations will eventually kick him out . . . right?

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Albert Pearson eh…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

I would imagine that the player in question doesn’t receive the top level mailers from the property. Isn’t that the action taken by most Las Vegas casinos these days ?

A.P.

From: “James Beam funny.young…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: “vpF…@…com” <vpF…@…com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:47:26 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

I was at a Stations recently and I saw a player at the 100%+ machines. He was seated between two machines, playing both at the same time, with a Boarding Pass in each machine. And he played fast, banging away on the buttons like a maniac (on both machines). He was frantic enough where people would stop and stare for a bit, myself included. As far as I can tell, he didn’t make any mistakes and it was impressive for the speed and two machines.

Whatever is the opposite of “under the radar” or “discrete”, is what this guy was. It was no secret what he was doing.

I thought that this type of play was discouraged by Stations? I thought that this kind of play would get you backed off? He was there for at least 2 hours, so I don’t think it was a lack of opportunity on Station’s part.

Is Stations more tolerant than I assumed to this kind of play?

#11

From what I’ve heard the machines at rock rock can get you around 2300 hands/hour.

#12

Did he look like Frank Kneeland?

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#13

Yes the machines there are quite fast, moreso than other Stations. I’m not saying that this is where I saw the maniac, but I agree on the machines.

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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 12:53 PM, seedu…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:

From what I’ve heard the machines at rock rock can get you around 2300 hands/hour.

#14

I’d like to hear some pros chime in here, but 1.5 seconds per hand being played accurately sounds impossible to me. I have been playing vp since it was born, and even playing pick-em which is the fastest game around I can’t come close to that kind of speed.

A.P.

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From: “seedu…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: vpF…@…com
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 3:53:30 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

From what I’ve heard the machines at rock rock can get you around 2300 hands/hour.

#15

I find 1.5 seconds/decision (2400 hph) quite improbable on even the fastest machine.

However, I thought what was noted in this thread was 1200 hph (3 seconds/decision). That’s well within the capacity of a fast player. In fact, I give credence to any claim up to about 1600 hph.

#16

It’s been covered before, check the archives, Frank Kneeland is the fastest in Vegas, he won all the speed and endurance tournaments when they still had them. He idles around 3000 hph, but he doesn’t like to brag about it. If you want to challenge him for money, he might be interested.

#17

Sorry … missed the post that referenced 2300 hands/hr at Red Rock.

I’m with you, A.P. … tough to accept that kind of speed on a single machine. However, reasonably plausible if someone is playing 2 machines (again, thinking of the likes of Frank Kneeland … although, again, maybe his claim to 2k+ hands/hr is in reference to single machine play)

#18

Wouldn’t want to challenge anybody, but I’d love to see a video of someone playing that fast just to see how accurately they played.

A.P.

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From: “nightoftheiguana2…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: vpF…@…com
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:14:53 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

It’s been covered before, check the archives, Frank Kneeland is the fastest in Vegas, he won all the speed and endurance tournaments when they still had them. He idles around 3000 hph, but he doesn’t like to brag about it. If you want to challenge him for money, he might be interested.

#19

Most people lose accuracy when they concentrate on speed. I NEVER recommend that someone tries to play as fast as they can (unless it is in a speed tournament). I DO recommend that you concentrate on accuracy and as you get more experienced your speed will naturally pick up. But there is always the danger of losing concentration, being distracted, getting tired – even if you are a long-term player. So keeping your aim toward accuracy is always better than shooting for speed.

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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:28 PM

To: vpF…@…com

Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

Wouldn’t want to challenge anybody, but I’d love to see a video of someone playing that fast just to see how accurately they played.

A.P.

From: “nightoftheiguana2…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
To: vpF…@…com
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:14:53 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations

It’s been covered before, check the archives, Frank Kneeland is the fastest in Vegas, he won all the speed and endurance tournaments when they still had them. He idles around 3000 hph, but he doesn’t like to brag about it. If you want to challenge him for money, he might be interested.

#20

Here’s some video of a fast two machine player:

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