Since the original post was talking about playing two machines, so was the 2300 figure
Maniac at Stations
The fellow did seem pretty quick.
Unfortunately the clip is too short to really clock accurately, but he did appear to be playing sub 2 seconds .The clip was certainly not long enough or clear enough to see what kind of an error rate he would have.
A.P.
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“nightoftheiguana2…@…com [vpFREE]” <vpF…@…com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:06:35 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maniac at Stations
Here’s some video of a fast two machine player:
FASTEST VIDEO POKER PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!
FASTEST VIDEO POKER PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!
THIS GUYS IS FAST!
Preview by Yahoo
I’m nearly positive that was the same guy I saw in the video too. He wasn’t wearing a hat when I saw him, but the mannerism of play is the same - the split touch to hold two cards at the same time, the constant banging on the draw button, etc. So it looks like Stations is tolerant of play like this.
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:06 PM, nightoftheiguana2…@…com [vpFREE] <vpF…@…com> wrote:
Here’s some video of a fast two machine player:
FASTEST VIDEO POKER PLAYER IN THE WORLD!!
THIS GUYS IS FAST!
Preview by Yahoo
I’ve seen him ( at least I think it’s the same guy) playing 2 machines at Aliante. Always drrew a crowd.
What happened to Frank Kneeland? I thought he claimed the title as fastest? 
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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Maniac at Stations
I’ve seen him ( at least I think it’s the same guy) playing 2 machines at Aliante. Always drrew a crowd.
What you can say, with some certainty, is that the guy is likely giving up any advantage to mistakes. I have been playing for years, and seen a zillion guys like this come and go. And on watching their play closely, they aren’t playing well enough to have an advantage. Not to mention being arseholes when the casino is crowded and they are taking up two machines at a time. (my opinion, anyways)
While I would gladly love to take a guy out playing two machines on a high demand day (with the equivalent of a poison dart), I think it’s presumptuous to write that no one can play quickly in that manner with solid accuracy.
Solid focus and concentration are a hard commodity to come by in a busy casino. Nonetheless, I have no doubt that a select few are motivated to achieve it, even under the most arduous play circumstances.
He’s on something. Several favorites come to mind that are well known in the hospitality industry. There’s profit to be had so the suits are willing to deal to him. Station casinos has some tragic history with drug abuse.
What I can say, with absolute certainty, is that a handful of those guys that had “come and gone” were not only playing accurately, but had “gone” because they built their bankrolls to the point that quarter FPDW was no longer worth their time. Where they had gone to were bigger plays at other properties.
Also, all but one of those guys always gave up a machine if you asked. Although the one I can think of that didn’t still bangs away at quarters from what I’ve heard so he doesn’t really count as one of those “graduates” anyway. And while I’ve never watched the guy in the video play to check his error rate, I know him very well. He is intelligent enough that I am relatively confident that he is playing accurately. Granted, not all intelligent people manage to play accurately at that speed, but being intelligent sure helps, lol.
Gamblers can be intelligent and tweaking at least initially. As the tweaking increases the intelligence decreases.
Part of the Station Casino’s culture. Some “move on” to the morgue.
That’s very true, but in the video guy’s case it’s not happening. He’s the only person I’ve ever met that has never even had a single alcoholic drink in his life. He’s also never tried any illicit drugs. He’s obviously had drugs like caffeine, NSAIDs, etc…
"but had “gone” because they built their bankrolls to the point that quarter FPDW was no longer worth their time. "
Built their bankrolls on quarter FPDW?
The good life.
And no doubt, some have beat the house handily over time at various VP games. But they didn’t do it playing that fast and in that manner (two machines) playing FPDW. But I guess we will just have to disagree on that one. My advice to anyone trying to learn is to take your time, and avoid mistakes. Even “intelligent” players can easily give up any advantage trying to play too fast. IMHO
And btw, in this last year alone I have seen three pairs of guys at three different casinos almost come to blows over the two machines at a time thing. It isn’t worth it to me, so I just walk away.
“And btw, in this last year alone I have seen three pairs of guys at three different casinos almost come to blows over the two machines at a time thing”
It’s been a very long time since I’ve been anywhere near quarter FPDW, so I’ll have to take your word for it. I can only comment on my experiences 7 or 8 years ago, and at that time, I only knew one guy that wouldn’t give up a machine if asked. Other than that guy, I had never seen an argument, just one guy asking to play and the other one saying, “sure.” Personally, the most heated argument I’ve ever seen over two-machine play was over two video craps terminals, and the only person yelling in that argument was the guy not playing. They guy that was playing two was more than happy to give one up, but apparently that wasn’t good enough for the other guy.
And no doubt, some have beat the house handily over time at various VP games. But they didn’t do it playing that fast and in that manner (two machines) playing FPDW
I know of several that did just that. Again that was years ago when full points, better mailers, drawings, etc…made it easier. You’d be surprised how quickly you can build your bankroll if you have the drive to bang away 8-12 hours a day, every day. It also helped that back then that much play even on quarter deuces could get you a room to live in at places like Fiesta Rancho. So between working so much that you didn’t have time to spend your money, and free room and board if you chose to go that route, you could grow a decent bankroll at $25-$30/hour. Then if you had the drive and risk tolerance to work that hard at the better plays that became available as your bankroll grew, you could build a pretty significant bankroll.
Even “intelligent” players can easily give up any advantage trying to play too fast. IMHO
I absolutely agree. But that being said, everybody’s “too fast” is different. For one guy it might be 400 hph, for another it might be over 2000. Neither one should assume their limit applies to anyone but themselves.
Bolen88@yahoo.com wrote:
in this last year alone I have seen three pairs of guys at three different casinos almost come to blows over the two machines at a time thing.
Harvey's used to have, and may still have, for all I know, the policy
that players may play as many machines as they could actively play,
which led to some anger from people who disagreed, including towards
me when I took advantage of it on full banks of progressives. I
recently saw someone playing 4 machines at the Bellagio. I asked if
I'd be given one if I asked and I was told I wouldn't.
The “video guy” scolded me about booze. Any discussion of “illicit” drugs not tolerated back-in-the-day.
A comment on that YT Video…In watching it, it ALMOST looks like it’s been edited to have the camera undercranked, but it’s too hard to tell if it’s just chop in the video and it loses it’s “fluidity” because from what it LOOKS like, is his hands SHAKE (which I can understand, as that’s how I type faster than 100wpm; by not physically STRKING the key, but shaking my finger to apply enough pressure to hit the key).
But it just looks too “jerky”…
Also…why play, even to earn $50 an hour? If you’re that smart…get a job that pays that and allows you to not “really” work…nuff said.
In his book was managing not playing and making a lot more than $50/hour… for awhile.