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Malignant Narcissism

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> I will let you see my records and my tax form. Bank records are

of

no value since we've already established they can be manipulated as
> needed.

Huh? Explain for the idiots you think we all are just how on-line
bank statements can be "manipulated"!

I said nothing about online banking. Are you having reading
comprehenion problems again? I simply said bank records are of no
value because there is no way to tell where the money came from or
went to. Is that too difficult?

>The ONLY true evidence that I am winning is that I will claim

those

>winnings and pay taxes on them.

As soon as you begin a statement with "The ONLY" you expose your
typical and cowardly backing out again. Pay taxes on them?

(certainly

predictably instated for the sole purpose of a weak defense). And
just now many ways are there to manipulate your return to negate

the

extra $750-$1400 of the "winnings" tax liability? You're just as

much

a chump here as you are on every other issue. Proof can only be
established by tying financial records together along with self-

kept

casino contemporaneous data. Simply inserting "I won $7500" means
nothing to the auditor. The IRS would require exactly the same as I
require because I've gone thru it several times. Look at me as the
IRS.

I already told you I have the records. All nicely categorized in a
spread sheet just like an IRS auditor would like. BTW, in case you've
been on another planet for several years, the IRS no longer cares if
the records are "comtemporaneous". As long as you have verifiable
records. Do I need to explain what that means?

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

> I know there are many APers who have had winning years.

Please explain the proof behind that ridiculous assertion. The fact-

-

and I deal only in FACTS--is that you ride what you hear, and if
you've ever taken a good look at the entertaining collection of
slugs, neurotics, fat-asses, cancer-stick-puffing alcoholics,

broken-

family losers, single fools who never could make it living with
someone else, Chinks, and insecure self-confidence-lacking phenoms
who say they are "winning AP's", then you'd probably throw up after
reading what you just wrote.

Just reading your jealous rant was enough to make me laugh all over.
It doesn't get any better than this ...

You know it
> as well. Let's face it, there are probably thousands of gamblers,
> including clueless slot players, that have winning years. It's
simple
> statistics that with millions of gamblers, some will win. The big
> difference with APers is they win most years.

We're not just talking about lucky-hit winning years. We're talking
about consistency, and AP's do not have that from my and at least a
thousand others' experiences who have no reason to lie to me about
losing.

No, we were talking about winning, period. Now, were talking about
winning consistently. Try to keep up.

> > Remember, frssh on the minds of players is Jean Scott's
admittance
> > that she's been losing at the machines since 2000. Not at all
> > surprising to me, but it is to most.
>
> And, she still made money each and every year as a direct result

of

> her gambling. No matter how much you try to twist it, this is the
> bottom line.

The hurtful bottom line to you is that she admitted she lost at the
machines for the sole reason that she could not play +EV games
anymore. But when you look back over her articles you'll clearly

see

multiple times where she said she sat all day at the Suncoast,
Reserve, and her favorite--The Orleans' $2 10/7DB games for several
yearsbefore they lowered the pay tables. You see, you APer's are

one

contradiction after another, and when one of you comes out and

steps

all over their own feet the rest of you come to their defense

simply

because it makes all of you look stoopid. I just capitalize and
report on the foolishness of it all, and come out looking better

than

ever to the true player base.

More jealous ranting from Mr. Envy. Jean made money. Nothing else
matters to anyone with a brain.

> > Tell us: Is +$7500 really worth all that time you and the

missus

> > waste away in the casinos and have made the focal point in your
> life?
>
> Gambling is one of the things we do for recreation.

What's the saying---yada, yada, yada? How many years did we have to
listen to your hero The Queen blab about that when it was

convenient

to blab it, then turn around the next time and claim her and her

live-

in 401k cash cow were professionals....without ever thinking how it
would make her look? Players bring up her glaring inconsistencies

all

the time. Like being "frugal". HAHAHA! Tell me more about it!

I don't need to add a thing. Your jealousy is obvious for all to see.

>We make a little
> money, eat free food, put up friends and relatives when they come
to
> town. I played golf today. Some folks think that is a waste of

time

> as well, but each to there own. Your value judgement of playing

in

> casinos may work for you but it doesn't work for many other

people.

> Personally, I have no interest in motorcycles … should I claim
> working on them is a waste of time for someone else???

Pardon me, but if you ever took a TRUE look at how much time you

put

into being in the casinos, all the forums you post on about vp, and
the effort it took to move to LV just to be closer to your habit--
then measure it up against the normal lifestyle that most people
live, you'd probably puke.

Please define a "normal lifestyle" ... You can't because there is no
such thing. We each live our lives based on our own personal
preferences. Of course, leading a life of jealous rage like Mr. Envy
would not be something many people would admire.

> I never said it doesn't exist, only that it can be minimized by
> playing at certain times. And, yes it is worth it. For many years
> before smoking bans took effect there was smoking in the

workplace.

I
> dealt with it then and I deal with it now. A bigger concern to me
> personally is driving around LV. It is a MUCH bigger risk than

2nd

> hand smoke. Once again, I minimize the risks by selecting safer
> travel times. And, of course, I had to drive to the golf course

as

> well. Living is a risk.

This is a PERFECT example of how addicted gamblers learn how to
justify things they're aware of that are not good for them in any

way.

No it is simply the facts. And, I can see these facts pretty much
blew your argument right out of the water.

>
> > Is it worth the elimination of
> > the normal lifestyle you dreampt of all your life upon

retiring?

>
> It's just another journey. I tried the PBA for awhile and now I'm
> trying this for awhile. I can't say what will be next, but I will
> probably move on to something else eventually. Having an
independent
> lifestyle is what I wanted when I retired and it is what I have.
Who
> knows, maybe I will take up motorcycling.

My prediction? You will go to your grave playing video poker. You
don't get it yet? As soon as you get back to Minn. your'ew hands

will

start profusely sweating to get back to that Indian clip joint to
play the machines for hours on end again. In fact, It's just a

matter

of numbers how many other Indian casinos you'll stop at just to

play

vp on the trip back in April.

Yawn, we've heard this same old BS many times before. I will play VP
in MN and make money while doing it. Don't you just love it .... I
win in both places. Add to that, free food, free rooms and many other
freebies (like Twins/Vikings/Wild/Wolves tickets). You're jealousy is
something to behold.

>
> > Those are the questions I know make you try to appear so non-
> chalant
> > about but are really haunting in their true meaning.
>
> Are they? I handled your pathetic attempts to create a negative
image
> of my life with ease. I can do this because there are no more
> negatives in my life style than in most others. Like I said,

living

> is a risk, you can hide from it or you can live it.

Living is a risk, but denial on the Internet is not. That's why you
feel so good about it.

No denials required. The facts are as I've presented them. The ONLY
real denial here is yours. You can't accept that so many APers are so
much better than you. Your jealousy is completely evident to everyone
and your silly assertions only make you look weak and impotent. You
really need to get some help ...

I said nothing about online banking. Are you having reading
comprehenion problems again? I simply said bank records are of no
value because there is no way to tell where the money came from or
went to. Is that too difficult?

Exactly. It's your typical way of trying to duck around the issue
while pretending you didn't mean it even a teeny weeny bit. Let me S-
P-E-L-L it out for you: You start the visit by WITHDRAWING money; you
play; you lose there's no DEPOSIT afterwards; you win, there's a
deposit of MORE than the withdrawal. And you're gambling record on
excel or by hand should match your financial transactions and play
claim 100%. It's precisely how the IRS wants to see it, how they
require it in order not to add liability, and how anyone who gambles
should be doing it. It is exactly how I do it. If you still believe
these bank records are of no value then you're way out there in space
somewhere again.

I already told you I have the records. All nicely categorized in a
spread sheet just like an IRS auditor would like. BTW, in case

you've been on another planet for several years, the IRS no longer
cares if the records are "comtemporaneous". As long as you have
verifiable records. Do I need to explain what that means?

First, you've been listening to the Queen too much and her "tax
accountant" Chen when you should be listening to me. My daughter's
hubby is a manager at the IRS, and his auditors are trained to react
favorably to handwritten contemporaneous records and a little less
favorably to excel-provided info, IF it is VERIFIABLE. So if you
still contend that "bank records are meaningless" please tell us how
you are able to "verify" what you claim you did at the casinos.

No, we were talking about winning, period. Now, were talking about
winning consistently. Try to keep up.

And I'm still waiting for your support to your assertion that
you "know" AP's win. Please provide proof--which, BTW, you can't even
provide on yourself. You're flimsy method of "proving you've won" has
no proof at all and you know it. You make believe too much.
  

More jealous ranting from Mr. Envy. Jean made money. Nothing else
matters to anyone with a brain.

The written facts in her articles and now her admittance speak for
themselves. She's a walking, yakking, blabbing contradiction whom I
catch and report on every time. And you, my friend, are left lapping
up the leftovers as you scramble around trying to defned her every
time....

> What's the saying---yada, yada, yada? How many years did we have

to

> listen to your hero The Queen blab about that when it was
convenient
> to blab it, then turn around the next time and claim her and her
live-
> in 401k cash cow were professionals....without ever thinking how

it

> would make her look? Players bring up her glaring inconsistencies
all
> the time. Like being "frugal". HAHAHA! Tell me more about it!

I don't need to add a thing. Your jealousy is obvious for all to

see.

I'll leave that in there so those who've read exactly what I said can
see how you fold into you're "Hi Mr. Envious!" mood every time the
facts are laid out in front of you and the cat grabs your tongue.
Satisfaction is NOT the word for this!.

> Pardon me, but if you ever took a TRUE look at how much time you
put
> into being in the casinos, all the forums you post on about vp,

and

> the effort it took to move to LV just to be closer to your habit--
> then measure it up against the normal lifestyle that most people
> live, you'd probably puke.

Please define a "normal lifestyle" ... You can't because there is

no such thing.

Sure I can. It's defined as people not controlled by any single
degenerate activity (such as gambling). Amen. Look at yourself. You
play every day unless you're sick--and you probably have played then
too; you moved to LV JUST TO BE CLOSER TO YOUR NASTY HABIT; you can't
live without posting on all the vp boards because you're bored to
tears when not at the machines; and you play at casinos whether
crookek Indian joints or not. You call any of that NORMAL??

> This is a PERFECT example of how addicted gamblers learn how to
> justify things they're aware of that are not good for them in any
way.

No it is simply the facts. And, I can see these facts pretty much
blew your argument right out of the water.

I can't name one post where you aren't scrambling around the bush in
obvious attempts to justify your gambling problem. You don't want to
see it because if you did then you just wouldn't know what to do with
your life any more, but all others do and most if not all are always
laughing at you.

> My prediction? You will go to your grave playing video poker. You
> don't get it yet? As soon as you get back to Minn. your'ew hands
will
> start profusely sweating to get back to that Indian clip joint to
> play the machines for hours on end again. In fact, It's just a
matter
> of numbers how many other Indian casinos you'll stop at just to
play
> vp on the trip back in April.

Yawn, we've heard this same old BS many times before. I will play

VP

in MN and make money while doing it. Don't you just love it .... I
win in both places. Add to that, free food, free rooms and many

other

freebies (like Twins/Vikings/Wild/Wolves tickets). You're jealousy

is

something to behold.

I see my prediction hit the sweet spot once again.....Zzzing! over
your head went the fact that you have no other life, and BINGO I hit
the nail squarely on the head again! God, am I GOOD!!

> > Are they? I handled your pathetic attempts to create a negative
> image
> > of my life with ease. I can do this because there are no more
> > negatives in my life style than in most others. Like I said,
living
> > is a risk, you can hide from it or you can live it.

Is that more DENIAL we're seeing now? Don't blame me for pointing out
what a negative, pathetic life you lead--controlled by the vp
machines. You chose it and you have to live with it.

No denials required. The facts are as I've presented them. The ONLY
real denial here is yours. You can't accept that so many APers are

so much better than you. Your jealousy is completely evident to
everyone and your silly assertions only make you look weak and
impotent. You really need to get some help ...

Do you have any corn to serve up with that WINE? I know, I know. most
people would ask for cheese not corn. but you are SOOO corny I just
couldn't see the cheese!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> I said nothing about online banking. Are you having reading
> comprehenion problems again? I simply said bank records are of no
> value because there is no way to tell where the money came from

or

> went to. Is that too difficult?

Exactly.

No argument here.

It's your typical way of trying to duck around the issue
while pretending you didn't mean it even a teeny weeny bit. Let me

S-

P-E-L-L it out for you: You start the visit by WITHDRAWING money;

you

play; you lose there's no DEPOSIT afterwards; you win, there's a
deposit of MORE than the withdrawal. And you're gambling record on
excel or by hand should match your financial transactions and play
claim 100%. It's precisely how the IRS wants to see it, how they
require it in order not to add liability, and how anyone who

gambles

should be doing it. It is exactly how I do it. If you still believe
these bank records are of no value then you're way out there in

space

somewhere again.

Yes, you are way out there. Another validated projection.

If you want to go to a bank every time you play, that fine, but
that's not the way I operate. Add to that, the IRS doesn't care
whether you go to a bank or not. In fact, it is NEVER brought up in
any of their documents. Are you getting senile in your old age?

> I already told you I have the records. All nicely categorized in

a

> spread sheet just like an IRS auditor would like. BTW, in case
you've been on another planet for several years, the IRS no longer
cares if the records are "comtemporaneous". As long as you have
verifiable records. Do I need to explain what that means?

First, you've been listening to the Queen too much and her "tax
accountant" Chen when you should be listening to me. My daughter's
hubby is a manager at the IRS, and his auditors are trained to

react

favorably to handwritten contemporaneous records and a little less
favorably to excel-provided info, IF it is VERIFIABLE. So if you
still contend that "bank records are meaningless" please tell us

how

you are able to "verify" what you claim you did at the casinos.

I don't care how they "act". It has no bearing on the situation. They
either accept the records or they don't. It has become obvious to
just about everyone that computerized records are BETTER than hand
written ones ... unless you're still living in the dark ages. Keep on
digging yourself in deeper. It shows everyone else how little you
know.

> No, we were talking about winning, period. Now, were talking

about

> winning consistently. Try to keep up.

And I'm still waiting for your support to your assertion that
you "know" AP's win. Please provide proof--which, BTW, you can't

even

provide on yourself. You're flimsy method of "proving you've won"

has

no proof at all and you know it. You make believe too much.

The only possible "proof" (and the one required) is in the
mathematics. That is all I need to know whether players are winning.
Are they playing accurately and with an advantage. If they are, then
a high percentage will win over time. It's quite simple if you have
any knowledge whatsoever of statistics. It's also how I know you LOSE.

> More jealous ranting from Mr. Envy. Jean made money. Nothing else
> matters to anyone with a brain.

The written facts in her articles and now her admittance speak for
themselves. She's a walking, yakking, blabbing contradiction whom I
catch and report on every time. And you, my friend, are left

lapping

up the leftovers as you scramble around trying to defned her every
time....

She wins and you LOSE. Scramble around that one.

> > What's the saying---yada, yada, yada? How many years did we

have

to
> > listen to your hero The Queen blab about that when it was
> convenient
> > to blab it, then turn around the next time and claim her and

her

> live-
> > in 401k cash cow were professionals....without ever thinking

how

it
> > would make her look? Players bring up her glaring

inconsistencies

> all
> > the time. Like being "frugal". HAHAHA! Tell me more about it!
>
> I don't need to add a thing. Your jealousy is obvious for all to
see.

I'll leave that in there so those who've read exactly what I said

can

see how you fold into you're "Hi Mr. Envious!" mood every time the
facts are laid out in front of you and the cat grabs your tongue.
Satisfaction is NOT the word for this!.

The facts are laid out for everyone to see. Most of us can add and
either you can't or you're so jealous you won't admit the TRUTH.

> > Pardon me, but if you ever took a TRUE look at how much time

you

> put
> > into being in the casinos, all the forums you post on about vp,
and
> > the effort it took to move to LV just to be closer to your

habit--

> > then measure it up against the normal lifestyle that most

people

> > live, you'd probably puke.
>
> Please define a "normal lifestyle" ... You can't because there is
no such thing.

Sure I can. It's defined as people not controlled by any single
degenerate activity (such as gambling). Amen.

You did not define a "normal lifestyle". Instead, you demonstrated
that you can only focus on ME and my lifestyle. That is why you are
Mr. Envy.

Look at yourself. You
play every day unless you're sick--and you probably have played

then

too; you moved to LV JUST TO BE CLOSER TO YOUR NASTY HABIT; you

can't

live without posting on all the vp boards because you're bored to
tears when not at the machines; and you play at casinos whether
crookek Indian joints or not. You call any of that NORMAL??

Since none of what you said is true, your question is moot. However,
this little "projection" of yours tells the rest of the masses
exactly what you think of your own life. BTW, just how many posts did
you make to the LVA sports board before you were banned?

> > This is a PERFECT example of how addicted gamblers learn how to
> > justify things they're aware of that are not good for them in

any

> way.

> No it is simply the facts. And, I can see these facts pretty much
> blew your argument right out of the water.

I can't name one post where you aren't scrambling around the bush

in

obvious attempts to justify your gambling problem. You don't want

to

see it because if you did then you just wouldn't know what to do

with

your life any more, but all others do and most if not all are

always

laughing at you.

Good projection. You are the laughing stock of the VP community.

> > My prediction? You will go to your grave playing video poker.

You

> > don't get it yet? As soon as you get back to Minn. your'ew

hands

> will
> > start profusely sweating to get back to that Indian clip joint

to

> > play the machines for hours on end again. In fact, It's just a
> matter
> > of numbers how many other Indian casinos you'll stop at just to
> play
> > vp on the trip back in April.
>
> Yawn, we've heard this same old BS many times before. I will play
VP
> in MN and make money while doing it. Don't you just love it ....

I

> win in both places. Add to that, free food, free rooms and many
other
> freebies (like Twins/Vikings/Wild/Wolves tickets). You're

jealousy

is
> something to behold.

I see my prediction hit the sweet spot once again.....Zzzing! over
your head went the fact that you have no other life, and BINGO I

hit

the nail squarely on the head again! God, am I GOOD!!

ROTFLMAO. Good to see you got the point. I don't want any "other
life". This is exactly what I have chosen to do at this time in my
life. I can do it well and apparently you can only turn green with
envy. It is good to see you can "predict" so well, I mean, I've only
been doing this for 4 years now. Most other people would have caught
on by now.

> > > Are they? I handled your pathetic attempts to create a

negative

> > image
> > > of my life with ease. I can do this because there are no more
> > > negatives in my life style than in most others. Like I said,
> living
> > > is a risk, you can hide from it or you can live it.

Is that more DENIAL we're seeing now? Don't blame me for pointing

out

what a negative, pathetic life you lead--controlled by the vp
machines. You chose it and you have to live with it.

Your a post behind now. Try keeping up.

> No denials required. The facts are as I've presented them. The

ONLY

> real denial here is yours. You can't accept that so many APers

are

so much better than you. Your jealousy is completely evident to
everyone and your silly assertions only make you look weak and
impotent. You really need to get some help ...

Do you have any corn to serve up with that WINE? I know, I know.

most

people would ask for cheese not corn. but you are SOOO corny I just
couldn't see the cheese!

Just the facts, as always.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

If you want to go to a bank every time you play, that fine, but
that's not the way I operate. Add to that, the IRS doesn't care
whether you go to a bank or not. In fact, it is NEVER brought up in
any of their documents. Are you getting senile in your old age?

See if your IRS auditor relies on the documents you read or on how
you can verify that you've won or lost. As I said in an article a few
weeks ago from multiple experiences, auditors require you show them
where you got the initial cash from to gamble, and they want to see a
record of what you did with it upon receiving any winnings from
betting it. If you say "I keep a gambling stash at home" then it's
strike 3 right there. It's obvious you haven't had an audit yet, and
it's more than obvious no one's called you on your phony claims of
winning yet until I have.
  

I don't care how they "act". It has no bearing on the situation.

They

either accept the records or they don't. It has become obvious to
just about everyone that computerized records are BETTER than hand
written ones ... unless you're still living in the dark ages. Keep

on digging yourself in deeper. It shows everyone else how little you

know.

The only reason you want computerized records to be better is because
you can manipulate them easier. My first audit was on handwritten
records and it impressed them. The next I had on excel and all they
did was question and criticize it for 6 months. I learned right then
to write it all down in the future and I do. "Either they accept it
or they don't" sounds like something from a Scooby Doo mystery, and
if audited you'll have a rude awakening with all your inexperience.
  

> And I'm still waiting for your support to your assertion that
> you "know" AP's win. Please provide proof--which, BTW, you can't
even
> provide on yourself. You're flimsy method of "proving you've won"
has
> no proof at all and you know it. You make believe too much.

The only possible "proof" (and the one required) is in the
mathematics.

So you admit you have zero proof--what a surprise! Here we are again,
back at the theory that says they win if they play positive machines.
Just as with all your phantom bucks BS, you're not proving a thing
here about anyone and you know it. What I like is watching you get
weak knees in the process.

Are they playing accurately and with an advantage. If they are,

then a high percentage will win over time.

And I suppose you can prove they play accurately over their daily
play? Exactly how do you accomplish that? Like I said, most of those
type players are of the bozo-sect and have no idea how to control
anything they do because they enter the game with a low esteem of
themselves and are overall general slobs. Sounds like your kinda
pals. Yup, they're a bunch of winners alright!
  

> Sure I can. It's defined as people not controlled by any single
> degenerate activity (such as gambling). Amen.

You did not define a "normal lifestyle". Instead, you demonstrated
that you can only focus on ME and my lifestyle. That is why you are
Mr. Envy.

"Such as gambling" must have evaded your selective reading skills
again. I'd never focus on a lifestyle such as yours because it's a
pathetic, controlled one and it nearly suffocates me just thinking
about it. Take away your computer and the ability to go to casinos
every day and you're just another poor Nevada slob that takes a dive
off the top floor to put an end to the misery.

Since none of what you said is true, your question is moot.

However,

this little "projection" of yours tells the rest of the masses
exactly what you think of your own life. BTW, just how many posts

did you make to the LVA sports board before you were banned?

Ever heard of "denial"....the number one haunt of liars.

Good projection. You are the laughing stock of the VP community.

Ha! Remember I used to rip you up whenever you ran out of replies to
the truth and went into your Pee-Wee Herman mode? What fond
memories...REBORN!!
  

ROTFLMAO. Good to see you got the point. I don't want any "other
life". This is exactly what I have chosen to do at this time in my
life. I can do it well and apparently you can only turn green with
envy. It is good to see you can "predict" so well, I mean, I've

only been doing this for 4 years now. Most other people would have
caught on by now.

Yup, there it is again. You're so out of touch with reality that you
actually believe it's a good life playing in casinos every day and
then living to play when you're out of them. Diseased people usually
deny they have an affliction and then talk as if it's never them. But
those of us who understand what a joke you've made of your life--
actually retiring early just to be able to gamble more--you'd never
believe we'd laugh at you for being so weak. I have no mercy for
someone like you and believe the country would be better off without
people like you who contribute nothing and waste nearly every hour of
every day with a pack of low-lifes feeding money into machines.
  
And that ain't corn.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> If you want to go to a bank every time you play, that fine, but
> that's not the way I operate. Add to that, the IRS doesn't care
> whether you go to a bank or not. In fact, it is NEVER brought up

in

> any of their documents. Are you getting senile in your old age?

See if your IRS auditor relies on the documents you read or on how
you can verify that you've won or lost. As I said in an article a

few

weeks ago from multiple experiences, auditors require you show them
where you got the initial cash from to gamble, and they want to see

a

record of what you did with it upon receiving any winnings from
betting it. If you say "I keep a gambling stash at home" then it's
strike 3 right there. It's obvious you haven't had an audit yet,

and

it's more than obvious no one's called you on your phony claims of
winning yet until I have.

Nope. I haven't had an audit and don't really expect one. Of course,
I actually report wins every year so there's very little reason why
they'd want to audit me. Still, my records coincide with casino
records, you know, win/loss reports ... that's what verifiable means.

> I don't care how they "act". It has no bearing on the situation.
They
> either accept the records or they don't. It has become obvious to
> just about everyone that computerized records are BETTER than

hand

> written ones ... unless you're still living in the dark ages.

Keep

on digging yourself in deeper. It shows everyone else how little

you

> know.

The only reason you want computerized records to be better is

because

you can manipulate them easier. My first audit was on handwritten
records and it impressed them. The next I had on excel and all they
did was question and criticize it for 6 months. I learned right

then

to write it all down in the future and I do. "Either they accept it
or they don't" sounds like something from a Scooby Doo mystery, and
if audited you'll have a rude awakening with all your inexperience.

Don't think so. I've read many reports of audits. Your own personal
experience is just one example. I'd rather look at multiple
experiences to determine a reasonable approach. Of course, I also
have written records as well but I consider them back-up. Now, if I
ever decided to file as a professional then I'd want to have more
information since I'd be claiming more expenses.

> > And I'm still waiting for your support to your assertion that
> > you "know" AP's win. Please provide proof--which, BTW, you

can't

> even
> > provide on yourself. You're flimsy method of "proving you've

won"

> has
> > no proof at all and you know it. You make believe too much.

> The only possible "proof" (and the one required) is in the
> mathematics.

So you admit you have zero proof--what a surprise! Here we are

again,

back at the theory that says they win if they play positive

machines.

Just as with all your phantom bucks BS, you're not proving a thing
here about anyone and you know it. What I like is watching you get
weak knees in the process.

If you can't understand mathematics, just admit it and we can move
on. Your incompetence is obvious.

> Are they playing accurately and with an advantage. If they are,
then a high percentage will win over time.

And I suppose you can prove they play accurately over their daily
play? Exactly how do you accomplish that? Like I said, most of

those

type players are of the bozo-sect and have no idea how to control
anything they do because they enter the game with a low esteem of
themselves and are overall general slobs. Sounds like your kinda
pals. Yup, they're a bunch of winners alright!

Just watch them for a few minutes. That is all it takes. Anyone with
a little experience can spot a good player. I guess this tells us all
we need to know about your experience.

> > Sure I can. It's defined as people not controlled by any single
> > degenerate activity (such as gambling). Amen.
>
> You did not define a "normal lifestyle". Instead, you

demonstrated

> that you can only focus on ME and my lifestyle. That is why you

are

> Mr. Envy.

"Such as gambling" must have evaded your selective reading skills
again. I'd never focus on a lifestyle such as yours because it's a
pathetic, controlled one and it nearly suffocates me just thinking
about it. Take away your computer and the ability to go to casinos
every day and you're just another poor Nevada slob that takes a

dive

off the top floor to put an end to the misery.

If I read your projection right you have been considering suicide.
Why not seek help instead? Other people do it every day. Is it that
big a deal to admit you have problems?

> Since none of what you said is true, your question is moot.
However,
> this little "projection" of yours tells the rest of the masses
> exactly what you think of your own life. BTW, just how many posts
did you make to the LVA sports board before you were banned?

Ever heard of "denial"....the number one haunt of liars.

Not only have I heard of it, I just saw it practiced ... again.

> Good projection. You are the laughing stock of the VP community.

Ha! Remember I used to rip you up whenever you ran out of replies

to

the truth and went into your Pee-Wee Herman mode? What fond
memories...REBORN!!

It is sad that you think of yourself in this manner. Why not get help
and fix up your self-image.

> ROTFLMAO. Good to see you got the point. I don't want any "other
> life". This is exactly what I have chosen to do at this time in

my

> life. I can do it well and apparently you can only turn green

with

> envy. It is good to see you can "predict" so well, I mean, I've
only been doing this for 4 years now. Most other people would have
caught on by now.

Yup, there it is again. You're so out of touch with reality that

you

actually believe it's a good life playing in casinos every day and
then living to play when you're out of them. Diseased people

usually

deny they have an affliction and then talk as if it's never them.

But

those of us who understand what a joke you've made of your life--
actually retiring early just to be able to gamble more--you'd never
believe we'd laugh at you for being so weak. I have no mercy for
someone like you and believe the country would be better off

without

people like you who contribute nothing and waste nearly every hour

of

every day with a pack of low-lifes feeding money into machines.
  
And that ain't corn.

Yes it is. You can't hide your envy behind rants. It just makes it
more obvious that you wish you could do what I've been doing. Your
jealousy oozes from every word you write.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

Nope. I haven't had an audit and don't really expect one.

At least you have the gonads to admit you have no experience this
time. I really, REALLY must be getting to you.

Of course, I actually report wins every year so there's very little
reason why they'd want to audit me.

Reporting wins has nothing to do with being audited. What a dope.

Still, my records coincide with casino records, you know, win/loss
reports ... that's what verifiable means.

Here's another free lesson for the inexperienced. There's a policy
memo that came out within the IRS 6 years ago that specifically
addressed the negative value of casino year-end win/loss statements -
the reason being anyone can play tables or machines without a card,
win, and not report a thing about it. If that's what you intend to
rely on, get out your checkbook.

Don't think so. I've read many reports of audits. Your own personal
experience is just one example. I'd rather look at multiple
experiences to determine a reasonable approach. Of course, I also
have written records as well but I consider them back-up. Now, if I
ever decided to file as a professional then I'd want to have more
information since I'd be claiming more expenses.

You also better plan on winning more than $7500 because they won't
accept your BS as being a professional gambler with that amount. BTW--
I use 4 audits - one a multi-year - as experience, and the rest comes
straight from the Phx. IRS office where my son-in-law works. The
only "reasonable approach" is the one the IRS accepts. Keep listening
to Jean Scott and all her ramblings and you'll probably end up going
to the same clinic as her.
   

If you can't understand mathematics, just admit it and we can move
on. Your incompetence is obvious.

Math theory is one thing. Proof of winning is another. Still waiting
for the latter....or are you ganna just sit there with egg on your
face?
  

Just watch them for a few minutes. That is all it takes. Anyone

with a little experience can spot a good player. I guess this tells
us all we need to know about your experience.

I'm a good player....actually, I'm a better player than anyone else
anywhere. But if you watch me you won't see me make the math play
every hand--you'll just see me win.
  

If I read your projection right you have been considering suicide.
Why not seek help instead? Other people do it every day. Is it that
big a deal to admit you have problems?

Do the math my friend. I live a great, active life among my family
who loves me while you live amongst the machines that you love. I get
up each morning and jog while you rush around with sweaty hands
getting ready for the casinos. I don't care one bit if gasoline tops
$20/gallon while you waste your time playing for gas cards at the
local dump. Please... HELP ME!!

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> Nope. I haven't had an audit and don't really expect one.

At least you have the gonads to admit you have no experience this
time. I really, REALLY must be getting to you.

Having no experience with an IRS audit is a GOOD thing, so taking
credit for something like this makes you look pretty moronic.

>Of course, I actually report wins every year so there's very

little

>reason why they'd want to audit me.

Reporting wins has nothing to do with being audited. What a dope.

Oh? I think having thousands of dollars in W2G and not reporting a
win makes it much more likely a person will be audited. Since I've
read reports of this happening many times I think I'll believe those
reports instead of you ... a complete idiot.

>Still, my records coincide with casino records, you know, win/loss
>reports ... that's what verifiable means.

Here's another free lesson for the inexperienced. There's a policy
memo that came out within the IRS 6 years ago that specifically
addressed the negative value of casino year-end win/loss

statements -

the reason being anyone can play tables or machines without a card,
win, and not report a thing about it. If that's what you intend to
rely on, get out your checkbook.

You missed the point ... again. I said nothing about the IRS using
the win/loss reports for anything other than verifying the
information I provided was reasonable. If you weren't so stupid you
might have avoided puting your foot in your mouth again.

> Don't think so. I've read many reports of audits. Your own

personal

> experience is just one example. I'd rather look at multiple
> experiences to determine a reasonable approach. Of course, I also
> have written records as well but I consider them back-up. Now, if

I

> ever decided to file as a professional then I'd want to have more
> information since I'd be claiming more expenses.

You also better plan on winning more than $7500 because they won't
accept your BS as being a professional gambler with that amount.

Wrong again. Are you ever right? The law is clear about "intent" and
mentions nothing about amount won.

BTW--
I use 4 audits - one a multi-year - as experience, and the rest

comes

straight from the Phx. IRS office where my son-in-law works. The
only "reasonable approach" is the one the IRS accepts. Keep

listening

to Jean Scott and all her ramblings and you'll probably end up

going

to the same clinic as her.

I don't give a hoot about AZ. They have very little experience
dealing with gambling. I think I'll stick with NV which is what Jean
has based her writings on and would be the state I had to deal with.
Once again, you've show a very limited ability to think through a
subject.

> If you can't understand mathematics, just admit it and we can

move

> on. Your incompetence is obvious.

Math theory is one thing. Proof of winning is another. Still

waiting

for the latter....or are you ganna just sit there with egg on your
face?

Once again, you are so completely wrong it is almost hilarious. Not
surprising given your recent remarks. If you understood a thing about
math you'd understand just how stupid your comment was.

> Just watch them for a few minutes. That is all it takes. Anyone
with a little experience can spot a good player. I guess this tells
us all we need to know about your experience.

I'm a good player....actually, I'm a better player than anyone else
anywhere. But if you watch me you won't see me make the math play
every hand--you'll just see me win.

ROTFLMAO.

Please... HELP ME!!

Chuckle, chuckle ...

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

> At least you have the gonads to admit you have no experience this
> time. I really, REALLY must be getting to you.

Having no experience with an IRS audit is a GOOD thing, so taking
credit for something like this makes you look pretty moronic.

To the contrary (as usual...). One gains knowledge through
experience. The only thing you have going for you, AS USUAL, is
conjecture, hope....and your false confidence-building little comfy
blanky---THEORY! You keep banging away at the machines with your
helter-skelter method and an audit will creep up on you unexpectedly.
I can hear it now: "Oh NO! Rob, PLEASE HELP ME FIGURE THIS OUT!! I
SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO YOU FROM THE START!!" And, of course, I'll be
laughing at your every whimper. But never, EVER fret. You've always
got the machines to soothe your woes!!

Oh? I think having thousands of dollars in W2G and not reporting a
win makes it much more likely a person will be audited. Since I've
read reports of this happening many times I think I'll believe

those reports instead of you ... a complete idiot.

Spoken like a true rookie and an aspiring tax cheat, and since I have
the perfect vehicle for reporting cheaters as well as probable cause
as of right now, hmmmmm.....

You missed the point ... again. I said nothing about the IRS using
the win/loss reports for anything other than verifying the
information I provided was reasonable. If you weren't so stupid you
might have avoided puting your foot in your mouth again.

And you purposely missed the point. Those win/loss stmts. aren't used
in an audit and will only hurt anyone who tries to use them as
support for anything having to do with your audit. but please, be my
guest and pull them out. And hang yourself.

> You also better plan on winning more than $7500 because they

won't accept your BS as being a professional gambler with that
amount.

Wrong again. Are you ever right? The law is clear about "intent"

and mentions nothing about amount won.

Here's some more free advice, even though your gambling addiction
will simply make you look the other way. The very first item they
look for from professional gamblers is THREE STRAIGHT YEARS OF
WINNING and those wins MUST be capable of supporting your lifestyle
as well as be your CHIEF FORM OF INCOME. Just like you do with the
machines, you make it up as you go.

I don't give a hoot about AZ. They have very little experience
dealing with gambling. I think I'll stick with NV which is what

Jean has based her writings on and would be the state I had to deal
with. Once again, you've show a very limited ability to think through
a subject.

It looks as if you don't get it. Jean's one part blab and 9 parts BS.
She's in the tax end of this just to push business to he "friend"
Chen for a kick-back---thereby given her more moola to throw away at
the Palms. She knows as much about taxes as she does about the math
in vp. Oh....the IRS Revenue Officers in Phoenix have an on-going
training program with their LV counterparts because of all the Indian
casinos and gambling going on over here, and it's being instituted
around the country wherever gaming occurs. So if you think you can
slick-talk and dance around any auditors you face in the future,
think again.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> > At least you have the gonads to admit you have no experience

this

> > time. I really, REALLY must be getting to you.
>
> Having no experience with an IRS audit is a GOOD thing, so taking
> credit for something like this makes you look pretty moronic.

To the contrary (as usual...). One gains knowledge through
experience. The only thing you have going for you, AS USUAL, is
conjecture, hope....and your false confidence-building little comfy
blanky---THEORY! You keep banging away at the machines with your
helter-skelter method and an audit will creep up on you

unexpectedly.

I can hear it now: "Oh NO! Rob, PLEASE HELP ME FIGURE THIS OUT!! I
SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO YOU FROM THE START!!" And, of course, I'll

be

laughing at your every whimper. But never, EVER fret. You've always
got the machines to soothe your woes!!

So, according to Rob Singer getting audited is a good thing. Are you
really this stupid? ROTFLMAO.

> Oh? I think having thousands of dollars in W2G and not reporting

a

> win makes it much more likely a person will be audited. Since

I've

> read reports of this happening many times I think I'll believe
those reports instead of you ... a complete idiot.

Spoken like a true rookie and an aspiring tax cheat, and since I

have

the perfect vehicle for reporting cheaters as well as probable

cause

as of right now, hmmmmm.....

Where did cheating ever get mentioned. Your reading skills are about
as good as your logic skills. I've ALWAYS reported my winnings. Why
do you think I'm willing to let you see my tax returns?

> You missed the point ... again. I said nothing about the IRS

using

> the win/loss reports for anything other than verifying the
> information I provided was reasonable. If you weren't so stupid

you

> might have avoided puting your foot in your mouth again.

And you purposely missed the point. Those win/loss stmts. aren't

used

in an audit and will only hurt anyone who tries to use them as
support for anything having to do with your audit. but please, be

my

guest and pull them out. And hang yourself.

Facts haven't changed. The win/loss reports verify that the person in
question really did gamble at the casino in the time periods claimed.
That's the verification that supports the personal documentation. No
other information is needed. Now, please try to think through your
responses before you "hang yourself" yet again.

> > You also better plan on winning more than $7500 because they
won't accept your BS as being a professional gambler with that
amount.

> Wrong again. Are you ever right? The law is clear about "intent"
and mentions nothing about amount won.

Here's some more free advice, even though your gambling addiction
will simply make you look the other way. The very first item they
look for from professional gamblers is THREE STRAIGHT YEARS OF
WINNING and those wins MUST be capable of supporting your lifestyle
as well as be your CHIEF FORM OF INCOME. Just like you do with the
machines, you make it up as you go.

Your point? I have no other source of earned income and I have won
for more than 3 years. Your comment about supporting a lifestyle is
NOT mentioned anywhere in the regulations.

> I don't give a hoot about AZ. They have very little experience
> dealing with gambling. I think I'll stick with NV which is what
Jean has based her writings on and would be the state I had to deal
with. Once again, you've show a very limited ability to think

through

a subject.

It looks as if you don't get it. Jean's one part blab and 9 parts

BS.

She's in the tax end of this just to push business to he "friend"
Chen for a kick-back---thereby given her more moola to throw away

at

the Palms. She knows as much about taxes as she does about the math
in vp. Oh....the IRS Revenue Officers in Phoenix have an on-going
training program with their LV counterparts because of all the

Indian

casinos and gambling going on over here, and it's being instituted
around the country wherever gaming occurs. So if you think you can
slick-talk and dance around any auditors you face in the future,
think again.

Just a bit ago you mentioned experience and now you seem to ignore it
when it suits your illogic. Most of Jean's writings are based on
Chen's experience and she is a tax professional ... please fill us in
with your TAX credentials from hundreds of clients.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

So, according to Rob Singer getting audited is a good thing. Are

you really this stupid? ROTFLMAO.

No....according to Rob Singer, getting audited is nothing to fear,
neither good nor bad, and just another way of supporting our
Government's effort to keep things under control. Only cheaters see
it as a threat.

Where did cheating ever get mentioned.

I assume you meant that as a question. You created the ambience with
your usual walking around trying to pretend you're knowledgeable
about something else that you're not.

Your reading skills are about as good as your logic skills. I've

ALWAYS reported my winnings. Why do you think I'm willing to let you
see my tax returns?

Because you're afraid of me and at the same time think you're able to
slip something by me without proof. You believe the IRS will accept
that you say you won $7500 "because the math says you should" and
that I should too. Look at this as me preparing you for your rude
awakening.
  

Facts haven't changed. The win/loss reports verify that the person

in question really did gamble at the casino in the time periods
claimed. That's the verification that supports the personal
documentation. No other information is needed. Now, please try to
think through your responses before you "hang yourself" yet again.

I see from your scrambling around that you're beginning to get
nervous. You're gambling record tells auditors that you gambled
wherever you say you did, and the IRS expects that to be complete and
accurate. They couldn't care less if the casinos "verify" what you
said with an inaccurate and incomplete, unverifiable win/loss
statement. They only care where you got the gambling money from and
where it went afterwards, and if you keep a record of that that's
verifiable by a financial institution's records then you'll have zero
problems. If not--which is how YOU do it--then it's a needless
irritation to them that's not the best direction to be going. You
could record a gambling session at the Avi in Laughlin when you
really played at the Fiesta. What the casino says you did means
nothing to them--only what YOU said you did.
  

Your point? I have no other source of earned income and I have won
for more than 3 years. Your comment about supporting a lifestyle is
NOT mentioned anywhere in the regulations.

Point: You don't live on $7500/yr. You're retired. If you've won for
3 straight years you've passed the profit test but you have to be
able to show that is and that's been your major source of income.
Clouding it up with "earned income" is just your style, but they'll
spot that BS instantly. I feel like a parrot repeating myself.
   

Just a bit ago you mentioned experience and now you seem to ignore

it when it suits your illogic. Most of Jean's writings are based on

Chen's experience and she is a tax professional ... please fill us

in with your TAX credentials from hundreds of clients.

Marissa Chen is a cunning sales professional who does taxes. She
latched onto Jean Scott to make money off of her name---and of course
vice-versa---and everyone knows it. All these people do is make
believe they have all the answers from reading & writing books that
are CLEARLY labeled with disclaimers all over the place because they
operate on hearsay, conjecture and theory. Now you ought to pay me.
I've given you direct experience information bolstered by continuous
inquiries with factual answers over time thru the Phx. IRS office. I
suspect if you ever do go thru an audit then you'll refer back to
everything I've said.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> So, according to Rob Singer getting audited is a good thing. Are
you really this stupid? ROTFLMAO.

No....according to Rob Singer, getting audited is nothing to fear,
neither good nor bad, and just another way of supporting our
Government's effort to keep things under control. Only cheaters see
it as a threat.

No, there a WAY too many reports where the goverment did not accept
the reporters claims and absolutely NO cheating was going on. In many
cases it would require hiring a tax attorney and paying out large
sums of money for being completely honest. Now tell me how that is
a "good" thing?

> Where did cheating ever get mentioned.

I assume you meant that as a question. You created the ambience

with

your usual walking around trying to pretend you're knowledgeable
about something else that you're not.

Nope, not a question, it's called a rhetorical statement.

>Your reading skills are about as good as your logic skills. I've
ALWAYS reported my winnings. Why do you think I'm willing to let

you

see my tax returns?

Because you're afraid of me and at the same time think you're able

to

slip something by me without proof. You believe the IRS will accept
that you say you won $7500 "because the math says you should" and
that I should too. Look at this as me preparing you for your rude
awakening.

Hmmmm. The IRS has accepted my winnings for many years. I guess you
haven't been "preparing" me after all. Following the tax law just
might a better approach than listening to you.

> Facts haven't changed. The win/loss reports verify that the

person

in question really did gamble at the casino in the time periods
claimed. That's the verification that supports the personal
documentation. No other information is needed. Now, please try to
think through your responses before you "hang yourself" yet again.

I see from your scrambling around that you're beginning to get
nervous. You're gambling record tells auditors that you gambled
wherever you say you did, and the IRS expects that to be complete

and

accurate. They couldn't care less if the casinos "verify" what you
said with an inaccurate and incomplete, unverifiable win/loss
statement.

ROTFLMAO. You will say anything. If is ridiculous and counter to
other reports of people who have been audited.

They only care where you got the gambling money from and
where it went afterwards, and if you keep a record of that that's
verifiable by a financial institution's records then you'll have

zero

problems.

Clearly, financial records are "supporting documentation". However,
they are just one of many. BTW, in my case, the money does make it
into a bank account. Where else would it go. However, that does not
verify the gambling sessions which a win/loss statement does. The
fact is the IRS accepts any form of verification:

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

--------------------------------------
Proof of winnings and losses. In addition to your diary, you should
also have other documentation. You can generally prove your winnings
and losses through Form W-2G, Certain Gambling Winnings, Form 5754,
Statement by Person(s) Receiving Gambling Winnings, wagering tickets,
canceled checks, substitute checks, credit records, bank withdrawals,
and statements of actual winnings or payment slips provided to you by
the gambling establishment.
--------------------------------------

Note that win/loss statments fall into the last item.

If not--which is how YOU do it--then it's a needless
irritation to them that's not the best direction to be going. You
could record a gambling session at the Avi in Laughlin when you
really played at the Fiesta. What the casino says you did means
nothing to them--only what YOU said you did.

All your doing is verifying what I said in the first place. One must
have personal records. Everything else you're saying is BS.

> Your point? I have no other source of earned income and I have

won

> for more than 3 years. Your comment about supporting a lifestyle

is

> NOT mentioned anywhere in the regulations.

Point: You don't live on $7500/yr. You're retired. If you've won

for

3 straight years you've passed the profit test but you have to be
able to show that is and that's been your major source of income.
Clouding it up with "earned income" is just your style, but they'll
spot that BS instantly. I feel like a parrot repeating myself.

With about as much intelligence. I see you backed off on
the "supporting lifestyle" BS. The IRS requires gambling to be a full
time endeavor. Since I have NO other ways of generating income it
would be an easy claim to backup.

http://www.articleworld.org/index.php/Professional_gambling

> Just a bit ago you mentioned experience and now you seem to

ignore

it when it suits your illogic. Most of Jean's writings are based on
> Chien's experience and she is a tax professional ... please fill

us

in with your TAX credentials from hundreds of clients.

Marissa Chen is a cunning sales professional who does taxes. She
latched onto Jean Scott to make money off of her name---and of

course

vice-versa---and everyone knows it. All these people do is make
believe they have all the answers from reading & writing books that
are CLEARLY labeled with disclaimers all over the place because

they

operate on hearsay, conjecture and theory. Now you ought to pay me.
I've given you direct experience information bolstered by

continuous

inquiries with factual answers over time thru the Phx. IRS office.

I

suspect if you ever do go thru an audit then you'll refer back to
everything I've said.

Translation: Rob has no credentials.

No, there a WAY too many reports where the goverment did not accept
the reporters claims and absolutely NO cheating was going on. In

many cases it would require hiring a tax attorney and paying out
large sums of money for being completely honest. Now tell me how that
is a "good" thing?

HAHAHA! Could it possibly be that the claims were REJECTED due to
incomplete and/or conflicting data?? And your 2nd weak assumption is
that "no cheating was going on". Please explain how you verified all
that! Being honest costs nothing unless you lack confidence and
intelligence.

Hmmmm. The IRS has accepted my winnings for many years. I guess you
haven't been "preparing" me after all. Following the tax law just
might a better approach than listening to you.

Following the tax law is EXACTLY what I'm trying to impress upon you,
but as usual, you pretend to know more than the Government. Your
return is accepted but the details are neither accepted or rejected
unless and until you are audited. Until that time comes, the longer
you reside in Fantasyland over it the bigger the surprise and the
more heart murmur medication you'll require when you get what you
would label that dreadful letter.
  

> I see from your scrambling around that you're beginning to get
> nervous. You're gambling record tells auditors that you gambled
> wherever you say you did, and the IRS expects that to be complete
and
> accurate. They couldn't care less if the casinos "verify" what

you

> said with an inaccurate and incomplete, unverifiable win/loss
> statement.

ROTFLMAO. You will say anything. If is ridiculous and counter to
other reports of people who have been audited.

> They only care where you got the gambling money from and
> where it went afterwards, and if you keep a record of that that's
> verifiable by a financial institution's records then you'll have
zero problems.

Clearly, financial records are "supporting documentation".

Obviously....but casino win/loss stmts. are not considered financial
records by the IRS.

However,

they are just one of many. BTW, in my case, the money does make it
into a bank account. Where else would it go. However, that does not
verify the gambling sessions which a win/loss statement does. The
fact is the IRS accepts any form of verification:
--------------------------------------
Proof of winnings and losses. In addition to your diary, you

should

also have other documentation. You can generally prove your

winnings

and losses through Form W-2G, Certain Gambling Winnings, Form 5754,
Statement by Person(s) Receiving Gambling Winnings, wagering

tickets,

canceled checks, substitute checks, credit records, bank

withdrawals,

and statements of actual winnings or payment slips provided to you

by

the gambling establishment.
--------------------------------------

Note that win/loss statments fall into the last item.

Note that the reference is only to "winnings or payment slips"...as
in how Harrah's does it by giving the jackpot winner a pink slip that
is a pre-cursor to the W2G which arrives in the mail. I see nothing
about "losses" and you see nothing about them either--which is I'm
sure why you tried to slip yet another false assertion into your
reply. It is very clear losses only are supportable by your own
statements along with withdrawals, cancelled checks, or other forms
of cash transactions prior to gambling. Oh, BTW, your propensity to
copy info from the Internet without having a clue as to what it means
tells everyone how little you really know.

> Point: You don't live on $7500/yr. You're retired. If you've won
for
> 3 straight years you've passed the profit test but you have to be
> able to show that is and that's been your major source of income.
> Clouding it up with "earned income" is just your style, but

they'll

> spot that BS instantly. I feel like a parrot repeating myself.

With about as much intelligence. I see you backed off on
the "supporting lifestyle" BS. The IRS requires gambling to be a

full

time endeavor. Since I have NO other ways of generating income it
would be an easy claim to backup.

Wrong again. You keep telling yourself that $7500 won is a "full-time
endeavor" and they'll laugh at you more than I always do. Try telling
them "but gee, I have no other income and I live on this $7500/yr."
and then make sure you've got your checkbook handy.
    

> Marissa Chen is a cunning sales professional who does taxes. She
> latched onto Jean Scott to make money off of her name---and of
course
> vice-versa---and everyone knows it. All these people do is make
> believe they have all the answers from reading & writing books

that

> are CLEARLY labeled with disclaimers all over the place because
they
> operate on hearsay, conjecture and theory. Now you ought to pay

me.

> I've given you direct experience information bolstered by
continuous
> inquiries with factual answers over time thru the Phx. IRS

office.

I
> suspect if you ever do go thru an audit then you'll refer back to
> everything I've said.

Translation: Rob has no credentials.

Once again, it comes down to experience and reality vs. hope &
theory. You just put your other foot into your mouth!

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> No, there a WAY too many reports where the goverment did not

accept

> the reporters claims and absolutely NO cheating was going on. In
many cases it would require hiring a tax attorney and paying out
large sums of money for being completely honest. Now tell me how

that

is a "good" thing?

HAHAHA! Could it possibly be that the claims were REJECTED due to
incomplete and/or conflicting data?? And your 2nd weak assumption

is

that "no cheating was going on". Please explain how you verified

all

that! Being honest costs nothing unless you lack confidence and
intelligence.

So, Rob, in his infinite wisdom (?) recommends handling an audit
without a tax attorney. Need I say more.

> Hmmmm. The IRS has accepted my winnings for many years. I guess

you

> haven't been "preparing" me after all. Following the tax law just
> might a better approach than listening to you.

Following the tax law is EXACTLY what I'm trying to impress upon

you,

but as usual, you pretend to know more than the Government. Your
return is accepted but the details are neither accepted or rejected
unless and until you are audited. Until that time comes, the longer
you reside in Fantasyland over it the bigger the surprise and the
more heart murmur medication you'll require when you get what you
would label that dreadful letter.

LMAO. Now Rob is agreeing with me. Don't you just love it.

> > I see from your scrambling around that you're beginning to get
> > nervous. You're gambling record tells auditors that you gambled
> > wherever you say you did, and the IRS expects that to be

complete

> and
> > accurate. They couldn't care less if the casinos "verify" what
you
> > said with an inaccurate and incomplete, unverifiable win/loss
> > statement.
>
> ROTFLMAO. You will say anything. If is ridiculous and counter to
> other reports of people who have been audited.
>
> > They only care where you got the gambling money from and
> > where it went afterwards, and if you keep a record of that

that's

> > verifiable by a financial institution's records then you'll

have

> zero problems.
>
> Clearly, financial records are "supporting documentation".

Obviously....but casino win/loss stmts. are not considered

financial

records by the IRS.

No, but they are considered "supporting documentation" exactly as I
stated. Can't you get anything straight?

However,
> they are just one of many. BTW, in my case, the money does make

it

> into a bank account. Where else would it go. However, that does

not

> verify the gambling sessions which a win/loss statement does. The
> fact is the IRS accepts any form of verification:
> --------------------------------------
> Proof of winnings and losses. In addition to your diary, you
should
> also have other documentation. You can generally prove your
winnings
> and losses through Form W-2G, Certain Gambling Winnings, Form

5754,

> Statement by Person(s) Receiving Gambling Winnings, wagering
tickets,
> canceled checks, substitute checks, credit records, bank
withdrawals,
> and statements of actual winnings or payment slips provided to

you

by
> the gambling establishment.
> --------------------------------------
>
> Note that win/loss statments fall into the last item.

Note that the reference is only to "winnings or payment slips"...as
in how Harrah's does it by giving the jackpot winner a pink slip

that

is a pre-cursor to the W2G which arrives in the mail. I see nothing
about "losses" and you see nothing about them either--which is I'm
sure why you tried to slip yet another false assertion into your
reply. It is very clear losses only are supportable by your own
statements along with withdrawals, cancelled checks, or other forms
of cash transactions prior to gambling. Oh, BTW, your propensity

to

copy info from the Internet without having a clue as to what it

means

tells everyone how little you really know.

I've already stated the personal records are the source of
information regading wins and losses, the win/loss statements are
supporting documentation verifying that you actually gambled as
claimed. You really are getting senile in your old age.

> > Point: You don't live on $7500/yr. You're retired. If you've

won

> for
> > 3 straight years you've passed the profit test but you have to

be

> > able to show that is and that's been your major source of

income.

> > Clouding it up with "earned income" is just your style, but
they'll
> > spot that BS instantly. I feel like a parrot repeating myself.
>
> With about as much intelligence. I see you backed off on
> the "supporting lifestyle" BS. The IRS requires gambling to be a
full
> time endeavor. Since I have NO other ways of generating income it
> would be an easy claim to backup.

Wrong again. You keep telling yourself that $7500 won is a "full-

time

endeavor" and they'll laugh at you more than I always do. Try

telling

them "but gee, I have no other income and I live on this $7500/yr."
and then make sure you've got your checkbook handy.

Never is monetary amounts stated in the tax laws. Like I said before,
if you can show where it is mentioned please do so, otherwise I think
we all know this is just more of your senile ramblings.

> > Marissa Chen is a cunning sales professional who does taxes.

She

> > latched onto Jean Scott to make money off of her name---and of
> course
> > vice-versa---and everyone knows it. All these people do is make
> > believe they have all the answers from reading & writing books
that
> > are CLEARLY labeled with disclaimers all over the place because
> they
> > operate on hearsay, conjecture and theory. Now you ought to pay
me.
> > I've given you direct experience information bolstered by
> continuous
> > inquiries with factual answers over time thru the Phx. IRS
office.
> I
> > suspect if you ever do go thru an audit then you'll refer back

to

> > everything I've said.

> Translation: Rob has no credentials.

Once again, it comes down to experience and reality vs. hope &
theory. You just put your other foot into your mouth!

LMAO yet again, it comes down to your typical BS with absolutely NO
supporting material vs. the tax laws that are online for anyone to
read. I think I'll stick with the laws as they are written.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

So, Rob, in his infinite wisdom (?) recommends handling an audit
without a tax attorney. Need I say more.

In my infinite wisdom, I'm also "recommending" to be accurate and
complete in your filing and record keeping. Only those who go at it
thiking they know more than the IRS need a tax attorney present.
     

> Obviously....but casino win/loss stmts. are not considered
financial records by the IRS.

No, but they are considered "supporting documentation" exactly as I
stated. Can't you get anything straight?

In your world of fantasy they are, but when the auditor tells you
what the casino says you did ONLY while using your card means nothing
because it may be incomplete, you'll wish I were there to comfort
you.

> Note that the reference is only to "winnings or payment

slips"...as

> in how Harrah's does it by giving the jackpot winner a pink slip
that
> is a pre-cursor to the W2G which arrives in the mail. I see

nothing

> about "losses" and you see nothing about them either--which is

I'm

> sure why you tried to slip yet another false assertion into your
> reply. It is very clear losses only are supportable by your own
> statements along with withdrawals, cancelled checks, or other

forms

> of cash transactions prior to gambling. Oh, BTW, your

propensity

to
> copy info from the Internet without having a clue as to what it
means
> tells everyone how little you really know.

I've already stated the personal records are the source of
information regading wins and losses, the win/loss statements are
supporting documentation verifying that you actually gambled as
claimed. You really are getting senile in your old age.

Thank you for verifying how you continually make it up as you go.....

Never is monetary amounts stated in the tax laws. Like I said

before, if you can show where it is mentioned please do so, otherwise
I think we all know this is just more of your senile ramblings.

And just keep thinking like a bozo and see how fast you are billed
for more as you use your famous selective interpretation policy with
the IRS. You'll be so belligerent you'd end up in tax court and get
clobbered yet again!
     

> Once again, it comes down to experience and reality vs. hope &
> theory. You just put your other foot into your mouth!

LMAO yet again, it comes down to your typical BS with absolutely NO
supporting material vs. the tax laws that are online for anyone to
read. I think I'll stick with the laws as they are written.

Read? Yes. Interpret? Keep using your clown method and yes, I'll keep
laughing!

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> So, Rob, in his infinite wisdom (?) recommends handling an audit
> without a tax attorney. Need I say more.

In my infinite wisdom, I'm also "recommending" to be accurate and
complete in your filing and record keeping. Only those who go at it
thiking they know more than the IRS need a tax attorney present.

No one needs a tax attorney when they file or document their results.
Are you completely bonkers?

> > Obviously....but casino win/loss stmts. are not considered
> financial records by the IRS.
>
> No, but they are considered "supporting documentation" exactly as

I

> stated. Can't you get anything straight?

In your world of fantasy they are, but when the auditor tells you
what the casino says you did ONLY while using your card means

nothing

because it may be incomplete, you'll wish I were there to comfort
you.

Wrong again. Since I've already stated at least 3 times that the
win/loss statements have nothing to do with the record keeping of
results, I can only guess that you have completely lost your mind and
can't even decipher plain English. This has gotten almost hilarious
as you repeat something I've already stated unequivocally.

> > Note that the reference is only to "winnings or payment
slips"...as
> > in how Harrah's does it by giving the jackpot winner a pink

slip

> that
> > is a pre-cursor to the W2G which arrives in the mail. I see
nothing
> > about "losses" and you see nothing about them either--which is
I'm
> > sure why you tried to slip yet another false assertion into

your

> > reply. It is very clear losses only are supportable by your own
> > statements along with withdrawals, cancelled checks, or other
forms
> > of cash transactions prior to gambling. Oh, BTW, your
propensity
> to
> > copy info from the Internet without having a clue as to what it
> means
> > tells everyone how little you really know.
>
> I've already stated the personal records are the source of
> information regading wins and losses, the win/loss statements are
> supporting documentation verifying that you actually gambled as
> claimed. You really are getting senile in your old age.

Thank you for verifying how you continually make it up as you

go.....

Sorry, but this is what I've been saying all along. What's really
amusing is you haven't been able to understand something this simple.

> Never is monetary amounts stated in the tax laws. Like I said
before, if you can show where it is mentioned please do so,

otherwise

I think we all know this is just more of your senile ramblings.

And just keep thinking like a bozo and see how fast you are billed
for more as you use your famous selective interpretation policy

with

the IRS. You'll be so belligerent you'd end up in tax court and get
clobbered yet again!

This is all kind of moot anyway. I have never filed as pro and would
never consider it UNLESS I had a signifcant winning year. It would
invite an audit and provide almost no savings. Once again, you've
been unable to comprehend simple FACTs vs. what I do when I file.
That said, I will always keep filing as a professional as an option
if the situation warrants it.

> > Once again, it comes down to experience and reality vs. hope &
> > theory. You just put your other foot into your mouth!

> LMAO yet again, it comes down to your typical BS with absolutely

NO

> supporting material vs. the tax laws that are online for anyone

to

> read. I think I'll stick with the laws as they are written.

Read? Yes. Interpret? Keep using your clown method and yes, I'll

keep

laughing!

Looks like Robbie is starting to see what a complete fool he has made
of himself. You gotta love it ...

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

> In my infinite wisdom, I'm also "recommending" to be accurate and
> complete in your filing and record keeping. Only those who go at

it thiking they know more than the IRS need a tax attorney present.

No one needs a tax attorney when they file or document their

results. Are you completely bonkers?

Thank you for saying the exact same thing I did---only you presented
with poorer English.
      

> In your world of fantasy they are, but when the auditor tells you
> what the casino says you did ONLY while using your card means
nothing because it may be incomplete, you'll wish I were there to

comfort you.

Wrong again. Since I've already stated at least 3 times that the
win/loss statements have nothing to do with the record keeping of
results, I can only guess that you have completely lost your mind

and

can't even decipher plain English. This has gotten almost hilarious
as you repeat something I've already stated unequivocally.

On and on and on you go with blathering illogic from "not listening".
Win/loss stmts. do not exist as either documentation or support to
the auditors, and if you try to pretend they do as you do everything
else, they'll even laugh at your incompetence.
  

> And just keep thinking like a bozo and see how fast you are

billed

> for more as you use your famous selective interpretation policy
with
> the IRS. You'll be so belligerent you'd end up in tax court and

get

> clobbered yet again!

This is all kind of moot anyway. I have never filed as pro and

would

never consider it UNLESS I had a signifcant winning year.

No intentions of filing as a professional gambler? Then, big
surprise, consider that you lied on vp.com. Even more irritating to
your flimsy debate is I caught you again. Like clockwork, you try to
shuffle the deck in the middle of the game and get flagged for it.
And I LOVE IT!!

It would invite an audit and provide almost no savings.

Manufacturing a scenario is also something theorists are good at--
until asked to substantiate. You have no idea what filing as a
professional provides. Of course, you'd probably deduct all the
doctor bills from going to casinos everyday sucking in all that toxic
air....so maybe you do.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> > In my infinite wisdom, I'm also "recommending" to be accurate

and

> > complete in your filing and record keeping. Only those who go

at

it thiking they know more than the IRS need a tax attorney present.

> No one needs a tax attorney when they file or document their
results. Are you completely bonkers?

Thank you for saying the exact same thing I did---only you

presented

with poorer English.

This from the man who said "those who go at it thiking they know more
than the IRS" ...

> > In your world of fantasy they are, but when the auditor tells

you

> > what the casino says you did ONLY while using your card means
> nothing because it may be incomplete, you'll wish I were there to
comfort you.
>
> Wrong again. Since I've already stated at least 3 times that the
> win/loss statements have nothing to do with the record keeping of
> results, I can only guess that you have completely lost your mind
and
> can't even decipher plain English. This has gotten almost

hilarious

> as you repeat something I've already stated unequivocally.

On and on and on you go with blathering illogic from "not

listening".

Win/loss stmts. do not exist as either documentation or support to
the auditors, and if you try to pretend they do as you do

everything

else, they'll even laugh at your incompetence.

Of course they will, Robbie. That is why I've read about several
cases where the auditors requested the win/loss statements. You
really don't know when to stop making a fool of yourself. However, I
did love your self projection ... "blathering illogic".

> > And just keep thinking like a bozo and see how fast you are
billed
> > for more as you use your famous selective interpretation policy
> with
> > the IRS. You'll be so belligerent you'd end up in tax court and
get
> > clobbered yet again!
>
> This is all kind of moot anyway. I have never filed as pro and
would
> never consider it UNLESS I had a signifcant winning year.

No intentions of filing as a professional gambler? Then, big
surprise, consider that you lied on vp.com. Even more irritating to
your flimsy debate is I caught you again. Like clockwork, you try

to

shuffle the deck in the middle of the game and get flagged for it.
And I LOVE IT!!

Nope, never lied on vp.com and your lack of providing a reference to
this false assertion says it all. I did participate in a discussion
about filing professionally just as both YOU and I are doing here.

>It would invite an audit and provide almost no savings.

Manufacturing a scenario is also something theorists are good at--
until asked to substantiate. You have no idea what filing as a
professional provides. Of course, you'd probably deduct all the
doctor bills from going to casinos everyday sucking in all that

toxic

air....so maybe you do.

ROTFLMAO. In the past I have filed both Sch. C, sole proprietorship,
AND formed my own S-corp. for other activities. Just a little more
experience than you bargained for little man? The biggest benefit
would be mileage (my meals are already free), however, I could also
claim other expenses, like my computer, but only the percentage used
for business purposes.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

Of course they will, Robbie. That is why I've read about several
cases where the auditors requested the win/loss statements. You
really don't know when to stop making a fool of yourself. However,

I did love your self projection ... "blathering illogic".

I know I'm winning WAAAY BIG when you and the other guy and the other
guy can't come up with anything---so you all say "but gee Rob, that's
just what I was gonna say about YOU!!" HAHAHA...."blathering"
wouldn't do for the adjective in this case!!

One last time, no auditor ever asks for CASINO win/loss statements
because there was a court case 6-8 years ago that rendered them
meaningless simply because they may be incomplete within the
individual's overall gaming activity. Think about it. Are they
auditing you or the casino? Who's required to be complete & accurate--
you or the casino?? If you don't get that then you're still playing
stinky-finger with yourself.
   

Nope, never lied on vp.com and your lack of providing a reference

to

this false assertion says it all. I did participate in a discussion
about filing professionally just as both YOU and I are doing here.

I LOVE this! You follow up lie after lie with another lie!! You did
mention how you were thinking of filing as a professional gambler
next year. As far as "participating in a discussion" all you were
doing was the usual preaching while trying to sound impressive to
that stack of boobs on vp.com. Just your style of audience!

> >It would invite an audit and provide almost no savings.
>
> Manufacturing a scenario is also something theorists are good at--
> until asked to substantiate. You have no idea what filing as a
> professional provides. Of course, you'd probably deduct all the
> doctor bills from going to casinos everyday sucking in all that
toxic
> air....so maybe you do.

ROTFLMAO. In the past I have filed both Sch. C, sole

proprietorship,

AND formed my own S-corp. for other activities. Just a little more
experience than you bargained for little man? The biggest benefit
would be mileage (my meals are already free), however, I could also
claim other expenses, like my computer, but only the percentage

used

for business purposes.

HohohoHehehe!! I've got an 18 year old niece who's filed a schedule C
already!! Big WHOOP!!! And if you think the "biggest benefit" is the
mileage, you're still jealous over the mileage the real important
workers at IBM got over the years while you sat and rotted away in
the geek squad---forcing you to an early retirement to escape the
ridicule.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> Of course they will, Robbie. That is why I've read about several
> cases where the auditors requested the win/loss statements. You
> really don't know when to stop making a fool of yourself.

However,

I did love your self projection ... "blathering illogic".

I know I'm winning WAAAY BIG when you and the other guy and the

other

guy can't come up with anything---so you all say "but gee Rob,

that's

just what I was gonna say about YOU!!" HAHAHA...."blathering"
wouldn't do for the adjective in this case!!

One last time, no auditor ever asks for CASINO win/loss statements
because there was a court case 6-8 years ago that rendered them
meaningless simply because they may be incomplete within the
individual's overall gaming activity. Think about it. Are they
auditing you or the casino? Who's required to be complete &

accurate--

you or the casino?? If you don't get that then you're still playing
stinky-finger with yourself.

You still don't understand this simple concept ... verification of
activity. You keep assuming the win/loss reports are being used to
determine the wins or losses. I have already stated several times
that is not the case. Please try to keep up.

PS. Nice to see you are continuing to "blather".

> Nope, never lied on vp.com and your lack of providing a reference
to
> this false assertion says it all. I did participate in a

discussion

> about filing professionally just as both YOU and I are doing here.

I LOVE this! You follow up lie after lie with another lie!! You did
mention how you were thinking of filing as a professional gambler
next year. As far as "participating in a discussion" all you were
doing was the usual preaching while trying to sound impressive to
that stack of boobs on vp.com. Just your style of audience!

LMAO. You just admitted I did NOT lie while claiming I lied again.
You are soooooo very funny when you have your back up against the
wall.

> > >It would invite an audit and provide almost no savings.
> >
> > Manufacturing a scenario is also something theorists are good

at--

> > until asked to substantiate. You have no idea what filing as a
> > professional provides. Of course, you'd probably deduct all the
> > doctor bills from going to casinos everyday sucking in all that
> toxic
> > air....so maybe you do.

> ROTFLMAO. In the past I have filed both Sch. C, sole
proprietorship,
> AND formed my own S-corp. for other activities. Just a little

more

> experience than you bargained for little man? The biggest benefit
> would be mileage (my meals are already free), however, I could

also

> claim other expenses, like my computer, but only the percentage
used
> for business purposes.

HohohoHehehe!! I've got an 18 year old niece who's filed a schedule

C

already!! Big WHOOP!!! And if you think the "biggest benefit" is

the

mileage, you're still jealous over the mileage the real important
workers at IBM got over the years while you sat and rotted away in
the geek squad---forcing you to an early retirement to escape the
ridicule.

Translation: It was a LOT more than Robbie bargained for.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

You still don't understand this simple concept ... verification of
activity. You keep assuming the win/loss reports are being used to
determine the wins or losses. I have already stated several times
that is not the case. Please try to keep up.

And you still seem to believe that the win/loss statement is
verification of gambling activity when it holds 1% of the weight that
your own word does. They do not need to see a picture of you sitting
at your machines at Sam's Town to verify that you said you gambled at
Sam's Town. They do not need to see a win/loss statement by ST to
verify that you said you gambled at ST. Why? Because you may not be
giving them a win/loss stmt. from the Cannery where you won thousands
with no W2G's throughout the year, and that's not a crime. But NOT
REPORTING the activity is. As thick as you seem to be on this, do you
GEWT IT yet?

PS. Nice to see you are continuing to "blather".

And nice to see you continue to come apart as the administrator keeps
on ripping you a new one!
   

> I LOVE this! You follow up lie after lie with another lie!! You

did

> mention how you were thinking of filing as a professional gambler
> next year. As far as "participating in a discussion" all you were
> doing was the usual preaching while trying to sound impressive to
> that stack of boobs on vp.com. Just your style of audience!

LMAO. You just admitted I did NOT lie while claiming I lied again.
You are soooooo very funny when you have your back up against the
wall.

All you're doing by changing the subject and avoiding falling into
the Dick pit again is solidifying the vpFREE case against you for
posting nonsense. Falling flat on one's face has GOT to be how much
of an embarrassment?

> HohohoHehehe!! I've got an 18 year old niece who's filed a

schedule

C
> already!! Big WHOOP!!! And if you think the "biggest benefit" is
the
> mileage, you're still jealous over the mileage the real important
> workers at IBM got over the years while you sat and rotted away

in

> the geek squad---forcing you to an early retirement to escape the
> ridicule.

Translation: It was a LOT more than Robbie bargained for.

It appears all the pummelling Dick's taking tonight is beginning to
have an effect.

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