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LV Hilton, South Coast, and Red Rock

#1

I spent three days in LV last week, and here are some details that
have not been mentioned on the group. I labeled the report by casino
to help you skip what you are not interested in. Hope this helps someone!

LV HILTON - I was a C3, with RFB offers monthly. This has changed to
room and tax only (I guess that would be RAT ?) and no food. I asked the
casino host why, and was told that the LV Hilton was tightening up.
And here is the kicker. I was in LV for a couple of days over spring
break. I did not stay at the Hilton, and only spent about an hour
each day there. Since I used my card, the hour of play was listed,
and brought my daily average down to a point below RFB. LESSON - and
this was confirmed by the host - if you are not going to play your
normal daily amount at the LV Hilton, don't use your player's card.
GOOD NEWS - Pick 'Em is still alive and well at the Spacequest Bar
(and still sucking up those C-notes!).

When I asked what play was needed at LV Hilton for RFB, I was told to
be on a VP machine for seven hours with an hourly average of $200
coin-in. I responded that this was only $1400 coin-in, and the host
did not have an answer. I guess the Hilton is in flux right now. To
top things off, there was no hot water in the hotel on the morning I
left. No explanation, just no hot water hotel wide.

SOUTH COAST - Tremendous experience!! - The casino is a huge
rectangular room with a very high ceiling. The result is a wide open
feeling. The aisles between the VP machines, especially at the end
with the sports book, are wide and open. And the smoke smell is
negligible at this point. There are signs everywhere advertising the
number of 99%+ payback machines in the casino - my games of BP and DDB
were all full pay from .25 to $10. I was talking to one of the slot
runners about the casino, and he offered me a buffet comp! Service
was friendly and quick. I did about $30K coin-in in the day, and the
casino host I talked to said that this would qualify for RFB on my
next trip. I have never been to a Coast casino, but my habits may
change now that I visited South Coast. Cash back is based on coin OUT
instead of coin in. Slot club is open 24 hours. I was told that the
mail offers depend on your daily average coin out - the higher the
average, the higher the letter. The higher the letter the better the
coupons:

A+ for $60K and higher
A for 10K - 69K
B for 5K - 10K
C for 900 - 5K
D for 100 - 900

RED ROCK - Spent a morning there - $19K total in - full pay BP and DDB
at levels of $1 to $10. Service not nearly as efficient or friendly,
but still worth a visit. I was stuck big time until I got two quads
within five minutes in the high limit area - $2500 each ($10 machine).
Amazing how a quick $5000 can change your daily total . . . . .

SUMMARY - Hilton, which has always been my "home", seems to be
losing its luster. South Coast is great - I hope that Boyd Gaming
will continue with the great work here. Red Rock is ok, has full pay
machines, but no cash back and a little attitude. Still a nice
looking casino worth a visit. I am probably just not their
demographic - I turn 50 this year!! Profitable trip, which also helps.

Dan in El Paso

#2

Great report! I like the SC also - plan on making more trips there.
   
  I feel the same way about the LVH - just getting a bit too big for their britches. I keep waiting for the post informing everyone that the pick 'em is dead, but it still clings to life. Made the same mistake there playing just a bit on my first and last day of my stays. Now I play hard for 3 days, and never stay more than 3 nights as they base a trip on that length.
   
  Thanks again,
   
  Jigger

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Marc Andrews <drefm@yahoo.com> wrote:
  I spent three days in LV last week, and here are some details that
have not been mentioned on the group. I labeled the report by casino
to help you skip what you are not interested in. Hope this helps someone!

LV HILTON - I was a C3, with RFB offers monthly. This has changed to
room and tax only (I guess that would be RAT ?) and no food. I asked the
casino host why, and was told that the LV Hilton was tightening up.
And here is the kicker. I was in LV for a couple of days over spring
break. I did not stay at the Hilton, and only spent about an hour
each day there. Since I used my card, the hour of play was listed,
and brought my daily average down to a point below RFB. LESSON - and
this was confirmed by the host - if you are not going to play your
normal daily amount at the LV Hilton, don't use your player's card.
GOOD NEWS - Pick 'Em is still alive and well at the Spacequest Bar
(and still sucking up those C-notes!).

When I asked what play was needed at LV Hilton for RFB, I was told to
be on a VP machine for seven hours with an hourly average of $200
coin-in. I responded that this was only $1400 coin-in, and the host
did not have an answer. I guess the Hilton is in flux right now. To
top things off, there was no hot water in the hotel on the morning I
left. No explanation, just no hot water hotel wide.

SOUTH COAST - Tremendous experience!! - The casino is a huge
rectangular room with a very high ceiling. The result is a wide open
feeling. The aisles between the VP machines, especially at the end
with the sports book, are wide and open. And the smoke smell is
negligible at this point. There are signs everywhere advertising the
number of 99%+ payback machines in the casino - my games of BP and DDB
were all full pay from .25 to $10. I was talking to one of the slot
runners about the casino, and he offered me a buffet comp! Service
was friendly and quick. I did about $30K coin-in in the day, and the
casino host I talked to said that this would qualify for RFB on my
next trip. I have never been to a Coast casino, but my habits may
change now that I visited South Coast. Cash back is based on coin OUT
instead of coin in. Slot club is open 24 hours. I was told that the
mail offers depend on your daily average coin out - the higher the
average, the higher the letter. The higher the letter the better the
coupons:

A+ for $60K and higher
A for 10K - 69K
B for 5K - 10K
C for 900 - 5K
D for 100 - 900

RED ROCK - Spent a morning there - $19K total in - full pay BP and DDB
at levels of $1 to $10. Service not nearly as efficient or friendly,
but still worth a visit. I was stuck big time until I got two quads
within five minutes in the high limit area - $2500 each ($10 machine).
Amazing how a quick $5000 can change your daily total . . . . .

SUMMARY - Hilton, which has always been my "home", seems to be
losing its luster. South Coast is great - I hope that Boyd Gaming
will continue with the great work here. Red Rock is ok, has full pay
machines, but no cash back and a little attitude. Still a nice
looking casino worth a visit. I am probably just not their
demographic - I turn 50 this year!! Profitable trip, which also helps.

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#3

Speaking of the LVH, is there any more word on the status of
their "new" 3-tiered "Destination Club" (Classic, Elite, Ultra)?

.....bl

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wrote:

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LV HILTON - I was a C3, with RFB offers monthly. This has changed
to room and tax only (I guess that would be RAT ?) and no food. I
asked the casino host why, and was told that the LV Hilton was
tightening up.

#4

I live here Marc and I love the South Coast for playing and I have lost big time at Red RocK I like the the new look at Red Rock ....... but .. I like to win ......

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#5

I spent three days in LV last week, and here are some details that
have not been mentioned on the group. I labeled the report by casino
to help you skip what you are not interested in. Hope this helps

someone!

LV HILTON - I was in LV for a couple of days over spring
break. I did not stay at the Hilton, and only spent about an hour
each day there. Since I used my card, the hour of play was listed,
and brought my daily average down to a point below RFB. LESSON - and
this was confirmed by the host - if you are not going to play your
normal daily amount at the LV Hilton, don't use your player's card.

This is opposite to what I was told by a host (albeit a couple of years
ago, when things were somewhat more player-friendly). Specifically, I
was told that if I dropped in, and played for an hour or so when I was
not staying there, it would not affect my rating.

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#6

Hi Neil, I'm guessing that the disparity between what you were told and what Marc experienced is due to different ownership. (A few years ago, LVH was owned by Park Place, and it's now owned by Resorts International.) Different owners and different managers have different policies and practices. It's hard, but that's why we need to stay on top of ownership changes. Lainie

I spent three days in LV last week, and here are some details that
have not been mentioned on the group. I labeled the report by casino
to help you skip what you are not interested in. Hope this helps

someone!

LV HILTON - I was in LV for a couple of days over spring
break. I did not stay at the Hilton, and only spent about an hour
each day there. Since I used my card, the hour of play was listed,
and brought my daily average down to a point below RFB. LESSON - and
this was confirmed by the host - if you are not going to play your
normal daily amount at the LV Hilton, don't use your player's card.

This is opposite to what I was told by a host (albeit a couple of years
ago, when things were somewhat more player-friendly). Specifically, I
was told that if I dropped in, and played for an hour or so when I was
not staying there, it would not affect my rating.

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#7

neilemb wrote:

This is opposite to what I was told by a host (albeit a couple of
years ago, when things were somewhat more player-friendly).
Specifically, I was told that if I dropped in, and played for an hour
or so when I was not staying there, it would not affect my rating.

That host was blowing smoke up your skirt if this was sometime in the
last 4 years or so. Even under Park Place there was no question that
recording any brief activity whatsoever (including checking the kiosk,
once they were added to the floor) would "trip" you and affect your
trip rating. (Complicating things further was the former 3-day trip
rating system.)

I'm curious if the host in question was Joe Azarra. He was one of the
finest hosts we've ever encountered. However, because of a 30+ year
seniority with LVH/Flamingo, he could pretty much do as he pleased and
wasn't particularly concerned about a player's "rating" once they were
on the property. As a consequence, he pretty much glossed over the
whole system when speaking with players.

- Harry

#8

Even though I cannot comprehend why a casino would have a rating system
that discourages a player from playing at various times, I have come to
accept that, at LVH, playing a short day when you are staying there is
unwise.

In this case, though, we were discussing a "drop-in" type of situation
where there was no "trip" involved. The host was not Joe Azarra, it
was Gloria Dennison, and, indeed, that is what she said - a short day's
play under that circumstance would not affect our rating.

By the way, my wife's skirts are too small for me. So, it's very
unlikely that I'll ever be wearing a skirt up which smoke can be blown.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

That host was blowing smoke up your skirt if this was sometime in the

last 4 years or so. Even under Park Place there was no question that
recording any brief activity whatsoever (including checking the kiosk,
once they were added to the floor) would "trip" you and affect your
trip rating. (Complicating things further was the former 3-day trip
rating system.)

I'm curious if the host in question was Joe Azarra.

#9

You could do like I do and buy your own. I always do Vegas kilted.
FYI: Just check the dictionary and a kilt is a form of a skirt. Of
course, I only let women blow smoke up my kilt. Women love men brave
enough to wear kilts.

dipy911

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@...> wrote:

By the way, my wife's skirts are too small for me. So, it's very
unlikely that I'll ever be wearing a skirt up which smoke can be blown.

#10

From what I hear, from several of the women I know who have opined on this subject, it is
not the kilt, it is what is UNDER the kilt. <smile>

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dipy911" <dipy911@...> wrote:

Women love men brave
enough to wear kilts.

dipy911

#11

neilemb <nembree@aol.com> wrote:
Even though I cannot comprehend why a casino would have a rating system
that discourages a player from playing at various times, I have come to
accept that, at LVH, playing a short day when you are staying there is
unwise.

In this case, though, we were discussing a "drop-in" type of situation
where there was no "trip" involved. The host was not Joe Azarra, it
was Gloria Dennison, and, indeed, that is what she said - a short day's
play under that circumstance would not affect our rating.
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  Unless it has changed recently - very recently - the LVH still uses the 3 day trip average for offers and comp rating. I learned this the hard way with no play on arrival day, and some short play on get away day - it killed my average and offers were affected.
   
  On the drop in thing - do this at your own risk, regardless of what Gloria or anyone else tells you. As a C3 player I will simply not take their word for it. If you must play do it without a card, or use someone elses card who does not have a comp rating in the balance. I'd hate to see anyone put their status in jeopardy.
   
  Why do they do this is the question! Like Neil says, don't you want people to drop in and play? That has to be one of the craziest policies around, but I'm beginning to think that may be SOP for the LVH in many areas. Ben to Tempo lately? (-;
   
  Jigger
  
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#12

When I first got started at LVH I was C3 after one afternoon drop in. I then had a series of 2 nite stays and was always C3. Since then my stays are still mostly 2 nighters although I have stayed 3 and even 4 nites. Still C#.
  JAS

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Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com> wrote:
  neilemb wrote:
Even though I cannot comprehend why a casino would have a rating system
that discourages a player from playing at various times, I have come to
accept that, at LVH, playing a short day when you are staying there is
unwise.

In this case, though, we were discussing a "drop-in" type of situation
where there was no "trip" involved. The host was not Joe Azarra, it
was Gloria Dennison, and, indeed, that is what she said - a short day's
play under that circumstance would not affect our rating.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Unless it has changed recently - very recently - the LVH still uses the 3 day trip average for offers and comp rating. I learned this the hard way with no play on arrival day, and some short play on get away day - it killed my average and offers were affected.

On the drop in thing - do this at your own risk, regardless of what Gloria or anyone else tells you. As a C3 player I will simply not take their word for it. If you must play do it without a card, or use someone elses card who does not have a comp rating in the balance. I'd hate to see anyone put their status in jeopardy.

Why do they do this is the question! Like Neil says, don't you want people to drop in and play? That has to be one of the craziest policies around, but I'm beginning to think that may be SOP for the LVH in many areas. Ben to Tempo lately? (-;

Jigger

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#13

JOHN SNOWBERG <jsfs@prodigy.net> wrote: When I first got started at LVH I was C3 after one afternoon drop in. I then had a series of 2 nite stays and was always C3. Since then my stays are still mostly 2 nighters although I have stayed 3 and even 4 nites. Still C#.

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  My take on this is you play heavy enough on those two days that the 3 day average still equals a C3 rating. On a two day stay what are normal coin in totals for you?
   
  Here is what I know. Your trip starts the minute you check into the hotel - if it 11:00 at night that is day one. If you play the next two days all your play from those two days will be divided by three - that is your trip average. They will let you get away with no play on the day you check out. If you stay 4 days you will need to maintain that "3 day avergae" level of play on that 4th day.
   
  In other words, stay 3 days and get 60,000 coin in for an average of $20,000 a day. Stay 3 days but only play 2 days at $60,000 total they will still divide the number by 3 = $20,000 average. Stay 4 days at $60,000 coin in and your average drops to $15,000 for marketing purposes.
   
  When I go now I check in early on the morning of the first day and start playing. I never stay more than 3 nights, and never play on the day I leave.
  If I can't get to Vegas until the afternoon I will even go so far as to stay the first night somewhere else and check in on the next morning - especially when I go alone. If my wife is along she plays on my card too, making it easier to get the coin in. Sound like a job jumping through the hoops they put up?! It is. That is why we are not staying there so much in the future. C3 does not have enough perks to justify risking that kind of money - besides they have m\been kicking my ass pretty good for the past several months.....(-;
   
  Good luck!
   
  Jigger
  "When I'm feeling down, I like to whistle. It makes
the neighbor's dog run to the end of his chain
and gag himself."

  "Sex is like air. It's not important unless you aren't getting any."

  "I think my problem is low self-esteem.
It is very common among losers."
  "There are more important things in life than money
- but women won't go out with you if you're broke."

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#14

I too arrive early and don't play my last day as I am usually leaving early for the airport or for another property to get a good start there. I also get my CB and anything else where I might have to give my players card the nite before i leave.
  As far as play I have been playing only enough on trips to keep my daily theo over $750/day as that was the figure I have been given for C3 rating. That comes out to abt 50K/day on the 10 plays. The dollar single line takes too much time and the 1$ 3 plays have killed me every time I play. I'm very carefull at LVH and maintain a good relationship with my host. It's still agood play for me because of all the comps available at C3 level.
   
  JAS

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Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@yahoo.com> wrote:
  JOHN SNOWBERG wrote: When I first got started at LVH I was C3 after one afternoon drop in. I then had a series of 2 nite stays and was always C3. Since then my stays are still mostly 2 nighters although I have stayed 3 and even 4 nites. Still C#.
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My take on this is you play heavy enough on those two days that the 3 day average still equals a C3 rating. On a two day stay what are normal coin in totals for you?

Here is what I know. Your trip starts the minute you check into the hotel - if it 11:00 at night that is day one. If you play the next two days all your play from those two days will be divided by three - that is your trip average. They will let you get away with no play on the day you check out. If you stay 4 days you will need to maintain that "3 day avergae" level of play on that 4th day.

In other words, stay 3 days and get 60,000 coin in for an average of $20,000 a day. Stay 3 days but only play 2 days at $60,000 total they will still divide the number by 3 = $20,000 average. Stay 4 days at $60,000 coin in and your average drops to $15,000 for marketing purposes.

When I go now I check in early on the morning of the first day and start playing. I never stay more than 3 nights, and never play on the day I leave.
If I can't get to Vegas until the afternoon I will even go so far as to stay the first night somewhere else and check in on the next morning - especially when I go alone. If my wife is along she plays on my card too, making it easier to get the coin in. Sound like a job jumping through the hoops they put up?! It is. That is why we are not staying there so much in the future. C3 does not have enough perks to justify risking that kind of money - besides they have m\been kicking my ass pretty good for the past several months.....(-;

Good luck!

Jigger
"When I'm feeling down, I like to whistle. It makes
the neighbor's dog run to the end of his chain
and gag himself."

"Sex is like air. It's not important unless you aren't getting any."

"I think my problem is low self-esteem.
It is very common among losers."
"There are more important things in life than money
- but women won't go out with you if you're broke."

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#15

JOHN SNOWBERG wrote:

I too arrive early and don't play my last day as I am usually leaving
early for the airport or for another property to get a good start
there. I also get my CB and anything else where I might have to give
my players card the nite before i leave.

That's a decent play approach for a comped stay just about anywhere on
the Strip, or AC for that matter.

As far as play I have been playing only enough on trips to keep my
daily theo over $750/day as that was the figure I have been given for
C3 rating. That comes out to abt 50K/day on the 10 plays. The dollar
single line takes too much time and the 1$ 3 plays have killed me
every time I play. I'm very carefull at LVH and maintain a good
relationship with my host. It's still a good play for me because of
all the comps available at C3 level.

Forgive me if I crack a smile at your earlier "C3 ... afternoon drop
in". If you played a couple of hours at $12.50 a play I'd have hoped
they'd have ponied up C3. (I expect there was more than a couple of
us who thought you suggested that you stopped in for a couple of hours
of $.50/$1 play and received that comp rating.)

The real point that was to be made is that it's generally
disadvantageous to stop into a property for a day and play at a level
lower than what you normally given them (particularly just a couple of
hours) -- and it may be best to treat the first/last day of a trip
along those lines, depending upon specific rating basis.

Re LVH: I'll allow "one man's medicine ...", but I think you could do
better in many respects on the Strip on that kind of action. LVH once
would have treated you like a king for that, but they've since become
a bit geographically confused.

btw, I'll still maintain that at LVH (and most other properties, for
that matter), if you so much as insert your player card into a
machine, you've established a "trip" with a corresponding play
expectation.

- Harry

#16

I am a little unsure as to the "problems" with LVH that are being reported here, as people
arrive early or late, choose certain days to play or not to play, and seem to have all sorts of
thoughts and worries about hosts and ratings.

My wife and I have been visiting LV and staying at the LVH once a quarter, over the past 5
or 6 years. We started when they were Park Place and continued into the Resorts
International regime. For the past 2-3 years, we have been receiving offers in the mail for
3 free nights plus $25 in cash. Earlier on, instead of the $25 cash, it was a food voucher
for $50). The offers used to come quarterly, now they come monthly. I always make our
reservation over the phone for 3 nights free and then add 2 nights at the "casino rate"
(now $55 per night). We do not use a slot host.

We usually arrive at the LVH on a Thursday afternoon, about 2:00 or 3:00 PM, and check
out by noon on the following Tuesday. We play some VP every day at the LVH (6 days in
all) and by the morning of checkout we have amassed something like $100, or a little
more, total cash back on our slot cards. Adding this $100 or so to the $25 cash, our 2
nights at the "casino rate" are covered as well. The breakfast buffet is covered by my
Hilton Gold Card. Our other meals are taken on the strip, covered by our play at Bally's
and Caesars, first on our Park Place card and now by the Total Rewards card.

So, in essence, we pay nothing for food and lodging at the LVH (actually we never pay for
any food the whole trip) while enjoying the VP. We don't pay any attention to our rating
nor what days we play or not play. The offers keep coming and we continue to enjoy
them. We are scheduled in again in June and then in August. We have never been "down"
more than $1,500 on any given trip and something like 1 in 3 times we come home with
more than we brought. I have been keeping copious records of our VP play for the past 4
years and we are like $350 down, total, for those 4 years. This past trip we were very
lucky and came home with $1,800 more than we brought...and I made DIAD at Caesars, as
well.

Just our experience...we are quite happy with our LVH experience, although we avoid Barry
Manilow like the plague...LOL. The only thing we really complain about is that the music
and the "commercials" in the elevators at the LVH are too loud.

.....bl

#17

bornloser1537 <bornloser1537@yahoo.com> wrote: We usually arrive at the LVH on a Thursday afternoon, about 2:00 or 3:00 PM, and check
out by noon on the following Tuesday. We play some VP every day at the LVH (6 days in
all) and by the morning of checkout we have amassed something like $100, or a little
more, total cash back on our slot cards. Adding this $100 or so to the $25 cash, our 2
nights at the "casino rate" are covered as well. The breakfast buffet is covered by my
Hilton Gold Card. Our other meals are taken on the strip, covered by our play at Bally's
and Caesars, first on our Park Place card and now by the Total Rewards card.

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  Yours is the reasonable approach. The mistake I have made is to chase the C3 comp level on dollar pick 'em, and strived to give them enough coin in to keep this level. That makes it feel like a job. We aren't giving up just for the reasons you state, but we will sure back off from now on.
   
  I find it interesting that you get $25 a month - the same I get. I play much more in three days than you do in 5 - I usually get well over $150 CB for three days. This month I will stop in and cash, but no play. It is $75 this month - which I think is due to the slower summer months.
   
  Overall, I agree. I just haven't followed your game plan. Another pick 'em royal for six bills would sure help my attitude as well........(-;
   
  Jig

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#18

Good post. Hilton, it seems, has been redifining what a C3,C2, and
C1 are in their system. Sometimes I am a C2 and sometimes a C3.
Never know. It was my home too but I am getting bored by it. I like
SC too.

I spent three days in LV last week, and here are some details that
have not been mentioned on the group. I labeled the report by

casino

to help you skip what you are not interested in. Hope this helps

someone!

LV HILTON - I was a C3, with RFB offers monthly. This has changed

to

room and tax only (I guess that would be RAT ?) and no food. I

asked the

casino host why, and was told that the LV Hilton was tightening

up.

And here is the kicker. I was in LV for a couple of days over

spring

break. I did not stay at the Hilton, and only spent about an hour
each day there. Since I used my card, the hour of play was listed,
and brought my daily average down to a point below RFB. LESSON -

and

this was confirmed by the host - if you are not going to play your
normal daily amount at the LV Hilton, don't use your player's

card.

GOOD NEWS - Pick 'Em is still alive and well at the Spacequest Bar
(and still sucking up those C-notes!).

When I asked what play was needed at LV Hilton for RFB, I was told

to

be on a VP machine for seven hours with an hourly average of $200
coin-in. I responded that this was only $1400 coin-in, and the

host

did not have an answer. I guess the Hilton is in flux right now.

To

top things off, there was no hot water in the hotel on the morning

I

left. No explanation, just no hot water hotel wide.

SOUTH COAST - Tremendous experience!! - The casino is a huge
rectangular room with a very high ceiling. The result is a wide

open

feeling. The aisles between the VP machines, especially at the end
with the sports book, are wide and open. And the smoke smell is
negligible at this point. There are signs everywhere advertising

the

number of 99%+ payback machines in the casino - my games of BP and

DDB

were all full pay from .25 to $10. I was talking to one of the

slot

runners about the casino, and he offered me a buffet comp! Service
was friendly and quick. I did about $30K coin-in in the day, and

the

casino host I talked to said that this would qualify for RFB on my
next trip. I have never been to a Coast casino, but my habits may
change now that I visited South Coast. Cash back is based on coin

OUT

instead of coin in. Slot club is open 24 hours. I was told that

the

mail offers depend on your daily average coin out - the higher the
average, the higher the letter. The higher the letter the better

the

coupons:

A+ for $60K and higher
A for 10K - 69K
B for 5K - 10K
C for 900 - 5K
D for 100 - 900

RED ROCK - Spent a morning there - $19K total in - full pay BP and

DDB

at levels of $1 to $10. Service not nearly as efficient or

friendly,

but still worth a visit. I was stuck big time until I got two

quads

within five minutes in the high limit area - $2500 each ($10

machine).

Amazing how a quick $5000 can change your daily total . . . . .

SUMMARY - Hilton, which has always been my "home", seems to be
losing its luster. South Coast is great - I hope that Boyd Gaming
will continue with the great work here. Red Rock is ok, has full

pay

machines, but no cash back and a little attitude. Still a nice
looking casino worth a visit. I am probably just not their
demographic - I turn 50 this year!! Profitable trip, which also

helps.

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Dan in El Paso

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I had a great dinner with Joe Pucek at Outback last night. Then had to run early to drive to LA on personal business. Thanks again, Joe!!

Karen

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> >
Yours is the reasonable approach. The mistake I have made is to chase
the C3 comp level on dollar pick 'em, and strived to give them enough
coin in to keep this level. That makes it feel like a job. We aren't
giving up just for the reasons you state, but we will sure back off
from now on.

   
  I find it interesting that you get $25 a month - the same I get.

I play much more in three days than you do in 5 - I usually get well
over $150 CB for three days. This month I will stop in and cash, but
no play. It is $75 this month - which I think is due to the slower
summer months.

  Overall, I agree. I just haven't followed your game plan.

Another pick 'em royal for six bills would sure help my attitude as
well........(-;

I usually play 3-days for 10 hours/day on AA (1000 HPH). As long as I
keep doing this, I get C3 + $75/month + ~$100 CB. I think the
machines with the $ PE get heavy play on only PE, where as the
machines with AA get a lot of play on other games like DB and Keno. I
personally believe that they require more play on the PE machines, so
I avoid them for the better AA.

dipy911

6 Bills?? They have thousand $ bills? Dime machine?
60 bills or 6G maybe.