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LV Hilton, South Coast, and Red Rock

#21

bornloser1537 wrote:

I am a little unsure as to the "problems" with LVH that are being
reported here, as people arrive early or late, choose certain days to
play or not to play, and seem to have all sorts of thoughts and
worries about hosts and ratings.

There is no problem whatsoever with any manner of play at LVH, or any
other property for that matter, so long as you're entirely satisfied
with what you receive for that play.

However, one person might receive a $125 gift card for a shopping
event while another person receives $250 on very similar coin-in.
Another might receive $500 on coin-in that's only 20% higher than that.

How you manage your play makes all the difference and when you add
distinctions in:

-- the monthly cash offer,
-- comp status (again, some might desire a full Benihana comp rather
than use cashback, others are entirely satisfied with the coffee
shop/mexican restaurants),
-- the specifics of how your play is divided between days of your stay,
-- the theo assigned to the machines you play (e.g. the 10-play
quarters has among the poorest for a given coin-in),
-- and whether you record activity on non-play days ("zero trip" stop
ins or a comped meal on check out day)

it becomes of concern to those who desire to optimize what they
receive for their play.

From what you write, you're entirely satisfied with what you receive
for your play and aren't particularly concerned with what the next guy
might be getting. That's a formula that'll quite possibly yield the
greatest satisfaction during your stays.

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Jigger Woodruff wrote:

Yours is the reasonable approach. The mistake I have made is to
chase the C3 comp level on dollar pick 'em, and strived to give them
enough coin in to keep this level. That makes it feel like a job.
We aren't giving up just for the reasons you state, but we will sure
back off from now on.
   
I find it interesting that you get $25 a month - the same I get. I
play much more in three days than you do in 5 - I usually get well
over $150 CB for three days. This month I will stop in and cash, but
no play. It is $75 this month - which I think is due to the slower
summer months.

That increase to $75 may be a seasonal increase, but I've seen no
change to the $75 I regularly receive. It's possible that more recent
stronger play per day on the property has caught up to you (bear in
mind that check out day counts if you record any trip activity --
redeem cb, have breakfast, place your card into any card reader, etc).

You can expect that the zero-trip cash redemption will weaken future
offers, including special events. Not a problem if you're leaving the
property; something to consider if not.

Personally, I find that at play levels that might generate $50 CB per
day other properties offer more. I might be inclined to go the
"locals" route -- a property like Suncoast has a good chance of
offering up a stronger stay, or other casinos with FPDW will give you
a better run for your money (not to mention, in each case, afford you
a chance to relax off on the play and still be comped well).

At one time, I'd suggest that a property like Caesars might also be a
stronger viable alternative, although by all reports its
Harrahs-fication has killed that.

- Harry

#22

If memory serves (and sometimes it doesn't anymore) Gloria told us something
similar when I asked at check out about coming back for limited play as we
were still in town. Gloria/someone not Gloria told me there would be no
problem and called it "courtesy play." I was familiar enough with the
system from folks here that I assumed this was nonsense. I moved on to the
Dust and didn't look back.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
neilemb
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:15 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: LV Hilton, South Coast, and Red Rock

In this case, though, we were discussing a "drop-in" type of situation
where there was no "trip" involved. The host was not Joe Azarra, it
was Gloria Dennison, and, indeed, that is what she said - a short day's
play under that circumstance would not affect our rating.

By the way, my wife's skirts are too small for me. So, it's very
unlikely that I'll ever be wearing a skirt up which smoke can be blown.

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#23

I guess that I might have been a little "preachy" there. I apologize if I annoyed anyone.
The magic is to find your level of comfort.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

From what you write, you're entirely satisfied with what you receive
for your play and aren't particularly concerned with what the next guy
might be getting.

#24

bornloser1537 wrote:

I guess that I might have been a little "preachy" there. I apologize
if I annoyed anyone. The magic is to find your level of comfort.

Hardly ... and if any degree of irritation came through in my post, it
wasn't intended.

I agree about that "level of comfort" thing. But, by what ever manner
that level is defined, for most people it's with a degree of
flexibility.

I don't know of anyone, for example, comfortable with 4 hours of play
in a day who wouldn't likely be just as comfortable with 3.5 or 4.5
hours ... and, if provided sufficient incentive, might not be very
comfortable playing 5 hours. The same goes for choosing what machines
to play or deciding whether to structure a stay to avoid any activity
on check out day.

Any player who has the motivation to check out paytables and the
basics of cashback and comps, which I'd expect describes any member
here, likely has incentive to pick up what they can that might assist
them in optimizing what they get for their play in general.

- Harry

#25

I have had almost the exact experience as "bl" ; and all the discussions about rate levels and such confuse me too. I've been getting an offer each and every month for at least 3-4 years to spend 3 nights free (any nights including weekends), sometimes with other perks, currently $25 bonus cash each trip, and the comp dollars cover most of my meals/misc. hotel charges.
I play mostly 25-cent (AA, about $5-6k a day), occasionally some Pick'Em, some $ JW2P, and a slot machine now and then. But far and away the most time is spent on the AA. I don't use a host (although one time I did to get an extra night's lodging which was given to me no problem), I just respond to the offers and come and play. I will say that I play consistently, every day I am there on the offer. I stay there the whole time, the only time I am not playing is when I'm sleeping, eating, or relaxing at their very nice pool. Sometimes I play a little on the morning of my check-out (though sometimes it is pretty big $, if I've had a winning trip and am taking a shot at the $ JW).

~Ed from PA~

p.s. my experience is very much the same at MSS, although there I get 4 nights monthly, food vouchers, and have 25-c FPDW with scratch cards to play.

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On May 23, 2006, at 3:31 PM, bornloser1537 wrote:

I am a little unsure as to the "problems" with LVH that are being reported here, as people
arrive early or late, choose certain days to play or not to play, and seem to have all sorts of
thoughts and worries about hosts and ratings.

#26

Perhaps this is part of our "genes", part of our "quest for survival", brought on by millions
of years of evolution. Do we not stem from an originally "hunting and gathering"
population?

For me, as much of the fun in a trip to LV (or AC) is the "quest" to find the best machine ,
or the better comp's, and playing the "strategy" accurate enough. And, we all use the
resources of this site to help us do just that.

OK, OK, this may be piling on a bit of BS here, but is it that really very far off the mark for
any of us? It is just that we all have our own "level of satisfaction" with what we have
expected to accomplish in a single trip, or a series of trips.

Each of us, maybe me more than most, gets too tied up in "MY" ideas about things, and
wanting everyone else to feel the same way that I do.

But, it is to each his/her own, as long as we are having fun and are willing to share our fun
and our experiences and our excitement with others on this site.

.....bl

WOW! I have really been wearing my philospher's hat a bit these days, haven't I? LOL

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Any player who has the motivation to check out paytables and the
basics of cashback and comps, which I'd expect describes any member
here, likely has incentive to pick up what they can that might assist
them in optimizing what they get for their play in general.

- Harry

#27

You should get yourself a permanent host at the Hilton. Mine usually comps all of my meals (I usually just hit the buffet daily and maybe the coffee shop once per trip) ,
my total room charges for 3 days are usually in the $75 range. My guess is that they will comp you about the same amount as your cashback.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Edwin Roth
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: LV Hilton, play levels

  I have had almost the exact experience as "bl" ; and all the
  discussions about rate levels and such confuse me too. I've been
  getting an offer each and every month for at least 3-4 years to spend 3
  nights free (any nights including weekends), sometimes with other
  perks, currently $25 bonus cash each trip, and the comp dollars cover
  most of my meals/misc. hotel charges.
  I play mostly 25-cent (AA, about $5-6k a day), occasionally some
  Pick'Em, some $ JW2P, and a slot machine now and then. But far and
  away the most time is spent on the AA. I don't use a host (although
  one time I did to get an extra night's lodging which was given to me no
  problem), I just respond to the offers and come and play. I will say
  that I play consistently, every day I am there on the offer. I stay
  there the whole time, the only time I am not playing is when I'm
  sleeping, eating, or relaxing at their very nice pool. Sometimes I
  play a little on the morning of my check-out (though sometimes it is
  pretty big $, if I've had a winning trip and am taking a shot at the $
  JW).

  ~Ed from PA~

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#28

That would be $12500 coinin per day. I thought it took a lot more than
that to get to C3.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dipy911" <dipy911@...> wrote:

I usually play 3-days for 10 hours/day on AA (1000 HPH). As long as I
keep doing this, I get C3 + $75/month + ~$100 CB.

#29

Sorry abt that. Every reference to C3 in my post should have read C2. It's
tough to get old.
JAS

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@verizon.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 1:38 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: LV Hilton, play levels

JOHN SNOWBERG wrote:

I too arrive early and don't play my last day as I am usually leaving
early for the airport or for another property to get a good start
there. I also get my CB and anything else where I might have to give
my players card the nite before i leave.

That's a decent play approach for a comped stay just about anywhere on
the Strip, or AC for that matter.

As far as play I have been playing only enough on trips to keep my
daily theo over $750/day as that was the figure I have been given for
C3 rating. That comes out to abt 50K/day on the 10 plays. The dollar
single line takes too much time and the 1$ 3 plays have killed me
every time I play. I'm very carefull at LVH and maintain a good
relationship with my host. It's still a good play for me because of
all the comps available at C3 level.

Forgive me if I crack a smile at your earlier "C3 ... afternoon drop
in". If you played a couple of hours at $12.50 a play I'd have hoped
they'd have ponied up C3. (I expect there was more than a couple of
us who thought you suggested that you stopped in for a couple of hours
of $.50/$1 play and received that comp rating.)

The real point that was to be made is that it's generally
disadvantageous to stop into a property for a day and play at a level
lower than what you normally given them (particularly just a couple of
hours) -- and it may be best to treat the first/last day of a trip
along those lines, depending upon specific rating basis.

Re LVH: I'll allow "one man's medicine ...", but I think you could do
better in many respects on the Strip on that kind of action. LVH once
would have treated you like a king for that, but they've since become
a bit geographically confused.

btw, I'll still maintain that at LVH (and most other properties, for
that matter), if you so much as insert your player card into a
machine, you've established a "trip" with a corresponding play
expectation.

- Harry

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#30

Well, there is that old "saw"....it is a lot better than the alternative. <smile>

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "snow" <jsfs@...> wrote:

It's
tough to get old.
JAS