I moved to Vegas earlier in the year and kept my ID from my home state
and continued to use my home state address with all slot clubs, etc.
My mail gets forwarded to me here so it's not a problem, it just takes
an extra day or two to get mail.
My question is should I keep my home state ID or get a NV ID and change
my address with casinos. Are locals discriminated against on comps or
do they get better benefits? Or doesn't it matter at all?
I moved to Vegas earlier in the year and kept my ID from my home
state
and continued to use my home state address with all slot clubs, etc.
My mail gets forwarded to me here so it's not a problem, it just
takes
an extra day or two to get mail.
My question is should I keep my home state ID or get a NV ID and
change
my address with casinos. Are locals discriminated against on comps
or
do they get better benefits? Or doesn't it matter at all?
I'm far from an expert and I doubt anyone else can answer this question
very accurately. I'm sure it's different in many casinos. IN GENERAL,
the casinos send free rooms offers and these types of comps to out-of-
towners while providing BB cash to locals. So, most snowbirds I know
tend to use local addresses since free stays are of little benefit.
Dick
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@...> wrote:
On a more general level, who is considered "Local"? It can't be just
the Las Vegas zip code (8911x), is it?
But my question is more general. AC Casinos have a lage number of tour
buses binging in people in a two-hour bus ride, that keeps them there
for six hours and takes them back. From NY, upper New Jersey, PA, MD,
DE, ... The purely "local" people living in Atlantic City are probably
very few among the casino customer base.
Does AC treat this local/non-local issue differently?
(No, I haven't been "approved" into te AC VP group; yet!)
>
> I moved to Vegas earlier in the year and kept my ID from my home
state
> and continued to use my home state address with all slot clubs,
etc.
> My mail gets forwarded to me here so it's not a problem, it just
takes
> an extra day or two to get mail.
>
> My question is should I keep my home state ID or get a NV ID and
change
> my address with casinos. Are locals discriminated against on
comps
or
> do they get better benefits? Or doesn't it matter at all?
IF you've lived in Nevada for more than 30 days and have not gotten
a NV state Drivers Licence or reregistered your Auto within 60 days
you are breaking the Law. you are subject to a $250 to $500 fine for
failure to do so.
http://www.dmvnv.com/newres.htm
I suggest you join the ranks of the rest of Law abiding Citizens of
Southern Nevada.
timmer
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@> wrote:
>
> >
> > I moved to Vegas earlier in the year and kept my ID from my
home
> state
> > and continued to use my home state address with all slot clubs,
etc.
> > My mail gets forwarded to me here so it's not a problem, it
just
> takes
> > an extra day or two to get mail.
> >
> > My question is should I keep my home state ID or get a NV ID
and
> change
> > my address with casinos. Are locals discriminated against on
comps
> or
> > do they get better benefits? Or doesn't it matter at all?
>
>>IF you've lived in Nevada for more than 30 days and have not gotten
a NV state Drivers Licence or reregistered your Auto within 60 days
you are breaking the Law. you are subject to a $250 to $500 fine
for
failure to do so.
http://www.dmvnv.com/newres.htm
I suggest you join the ranks of the rest of Law abiding Citizens of
Southern Nevada.timmer
That was real helpful information. Let me thank you for answering my
question so thoroughly.
As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?), well I
could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the law? I'm an
American and it would be unconstitutional to force someone to
register for a license. Now if I want to drive that's another story
but you know nothing about me and are assuming things. Limos are
cheap here. And you know what they say when you assume....
Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state and
am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could easily
claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not some
pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. I'm sure you declare
every dime and comp on your taxes right? You better to be a Law
abiding Citizen of the United States of America.
I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out who one
assclown is.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "timmer" <timmr21@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@> wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@> wrote:
>
> I moved to Vegas earlier in the year and kept my ID from my home
state
> and continued to use my home state address with all slot clubs,
etc.
> My mail gets forwarded to me here so it's not a problem, it just
takes
> an extra day or two to get mail.
>
> My question is should I keep my home state ID or get a NV ID and
change
> my address with casinos. Are locals discriminated against on
comps
or
> do they get better benefits? Or doesn't it matter at all?I'm far from an expert and I doubt anyone else can answer this
question
very accurately. I'm sure it's different in many casinos. IN
GENERAL,
the casinos send free rooms offers and these types of comps to out-
of-
towners while providing BB cash to locals. So, most snowbirds I
know
tend to use local addresses since free stays are of little benefit.
Dick
Thanks for the info. How many casinos offer bounce back cash? Are
we talking mainly locals joints or strip properties also?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mroejacks" <rgmustain@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@> wrote:
Hey, xxxent!
That was a great reply to timmer!
You deserve an apology from timmer for assuming that you were
breaking the law. But, it's been my experience that most people
on this group (and most other Yahoo! Groups) won't apologize or
admit when they are wrong.
Sadly, some people on this group don't think before clicking 'send.'
But, for the most part, it's a good group. I hope you stick around.
I'm not a local. But, I visit LV a couple times a month. I don't get
much BB cash, but I get a lot of tournament offers (and free rooms,
food, and shows). However, if I lived in LV, I would give them my
LV address and opt for the BB cash. That's just my opinion.
Sincerely,
Curtis Rich
Law abiding Citizen of Southern California
On 9/3/06, xxxent <xxxent@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "timmer" <timmr21@...> wrote:
>
> IF you've lived in Nevada for more than 30 days and have not gotten
> a NV state Drivers Licence or reregistered your Auto within 60 days
> you are breaking the Law. you are subject to a $250 to $500 fine
> for failure to do so.
>
> http://www.dmvnv.com/newres.htm
>
> I suggest you join the ranks of the rest of Law abiding Citizens of
> Southern Nevada.
>
> timmerThat was real helpful information. Let me thank you for answering my
question so thoroughly.As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?), well I
could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the law? I'm an
American and it would be unconstitutional to force someone to
register for a license. Now if I want to drive that's another story
but you know nothing about me and are assuming things. Limos are
cheap here. And you know what they say when you assume....Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state and
am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could easily
claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not some
pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. I'm sure you declare
every dime and comp on your taxes right? You better to be a Law
abiding Citizen of the United States of America.I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out who one
assclown is.
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You can find this info in the data base at:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/LV.htm
Also, I believe a local is generally considered a resident of Clark
county. However, different casinos may handle this differently. It
really wouldn't make much sense to consider a resident of Laughlin a
local in Las Vegas.
Dick
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@...> wrote:
Thanks for the info. How many casinos offer bounce back cash? Are
we talking mainly locals joints or strip properties also?
On a more general level, who is considered "Local"? It can't be just
the Las Vegas zip code (8911x), is it?But my question is more general. AC Casinos have a lage number of
tour
buses binging in people in a two-hour bus ride, that keeps them there
for six hours and takes them back. From NY, upper New Jersey, PA, MD,
DE, ... The purely "local" people living in Atlantic City are
probably
very few among the casino customer base.
Does AC treat this local/non-local issue differently?
(No, I haven't been "approved" into te AC VP group; yet!)
We live in Laughlin and are considered locals in Las Vegas... We too
own property in our home state and vote there and I was told that we
can keep our licenses as long as we keep our property.. we even work in
Laughlin... And still we are law abiding citizens...It would be a
nightmare if they enforced that law because of the snowbirds..
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Adams Myth" <Adams_Myth@...> wrote:
I moved to Vegas earlier in the year and kept my ID from my home state
and continued to use my home state address with all slot clubs, etc.
My mail gets forwarded to me here so it's not a problem, it just takes
an extra day or two to get mail.My question is should I keep my home state ID or get a NV ID and change
my address with casinos. Are locals discriminated against on comps or
do they get better benefits? Or doesn't it matter at all?
Depending on which state you moved from, I'd think that avoiding state
income tax would be a big deciding factor? I came from a state with
6.85% income tax and no way to write off gambling losses against wins.
I couldn't wait to get down to the DMV and get my Nevada license and
auto registration to begin establishing residency. All of our income
is now state income tax free. With both of us receiving generous
pension payments, our net income is substantially greater not paying
that 6.85% to the state each year.
We also enjoy continuous multiple points days and bounceback cash
which are not available to non-residents.
First may I suggest that you show some civility in your postings.
Second, if Nevada is your primary residence under Nevada law you are
required to conform to the law. This is in no way a violation of the
Constitution. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.
May I suggest you go to the local police precinct, tell them your
situation and dare them to issue you an unconstitutional ticket.
That was real helpful information. Let me thank you for answering my
question so thoroughly.As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?), well I
could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the law? I'm an
American and it would be unconstitutional to force someone to
register for a license. Now if I want to drive that's another story
but you know nothing about me and are assuming things. Limos are
cheap here. And you know what they say when you assume....Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state and
am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could easily
claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not some
pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. I'm sure you declare
every dime and comp on your taxes right? You better to be a Law
abiding Citizen of the United States of America.I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out who one
assclown is.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Bill, Dont bother with Mr.xxx
Hes obviously the kind of guy who lets his dog out of the front door
so it can shit in his neighbors yard rather than his own.
assclown
First may I suggest that you show some civility in your postings.
Second, if Nevada is your primary residence under Nevada law you
are
required to conform to the law. This is in no way a violation of
the
Constitution. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.
May I suggest you go to the local police precinct, tell them your
situation and dare them to issue you an unconstitutional ticket.>As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?),
well I could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the
law?
>
>Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state
and
>am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could easily
>claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not
some
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. >
Me, too.
On 9/4/06, timmer <timmr21@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yeap Me too.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "xxxent" <xxxent@...> wrote:
<SNIP>
> I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out who
> one assclown is.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Hi xxxent.
You are correct. Bill & timmer are condemning you based on
their assumptions about you. They both commented about
driving being a privilege and your obligation to obtain a Driver
License. But, you never asked about *driving*. You originally
asked about an *ID card* (not a Driver License). For all we know,
you do not drive! ;~)
You didn't state whether or not you work in Nevada. If you do not
work in Nevada, but you do want to change your status with the
casinos (to become a 'local'), you may qualify for a Seasonal
Resident ID card. This is NOT a Driver License, but the casinos
might accept it as proof of 'local' residency, for their purposes.
So, in this way, I believe that you may continue to keep your
out of state Driver License (and residency), but also become a
'local' customer, as far as the casinos are concerned.
Of course, if you chose to keep your status with the casinos
as it is (out of state customer), you can still get the Seasonal
Resident ID card. The casinos don't have to know about it.
But, if you are employed in the state of Nevada, you cannot
get the Seasonal Resident ID card.
Sincerely,
Curtis Rich
Law abiding Citizen of Southern California
On 9/4/06, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote:
First may I suggest that you show some civility in your postings.
Second, if Nevada is your primary residence under Nevada law you are
required to conform to the law. This is in no way a violation of the
Constitution. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.May I suggest you go to the local police precinct, tell them your
situation and dare them to issue you an unconstitutional ticket.>That was real helpful information. Let me thank you for answering my
>question so thoroughly.
>
>As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?), well I
>could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the law? I'm an
>American and it would be unconstitutional to force someone to
>register for a license. Now if I want to drive that's another story
>but you know nothing about me and are assuming things. Limos are
>cheap here. And you know what they say when you assume....
>
>Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state and
>am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could easily
>claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not some
>pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. I'm sure you declare
>every dime and comp on your taxes right? You better to be a Law
>abiding Citizen of the United States of America.
>
>I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out who one
>assclown is.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Just for the record.
I did not "condemn him based on my assumptions about him". I said
that his posting was not civil. There is no assumption, it was an
unjustified personal attack.
In his post he stated, in effect, that he is not law-abiding and that
he would not obey the law of my state. He also used the US
Constitution to justify criminal behavior.
I also noted that the law applied if Nevada is his primary residence.
I condemned him for his uncivil personal attack on a member of this
board and his contempt for those of us who obey the law.
He owes timmer an apology. You owe me one.
Bill
At 01:25 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote:
Hi xxxent.
You are correct. Bill & timmer are condemning you based on
their assumptions about you. They both commented about
driving being a privilege and your obligation to obtain a Driver
License. But, you never asked about *driving*. You originally
asked about an *ID card* (not a Driver License). For all we know,
you do not drive! ;~)You didn't state whether or not you work in Nevada. If you do not
work in Nevada, but you do want to change your status with the
casinos (to become a 'local'), you may qualify for a Seasonal
Resident ID card. This is NOT a Driver License, but the casinos
might accept it as proof of 'local' residency, for their purposes.So, in this way, I believe that you may continue to keep your
out of state Driver License (and residency), but also become a
'local' customer, as far as the casinos are concerned.Of course, if you chose to keep your status with the casinos
as it is (out of state customer), you can still get the Seasonal
Resident ID card. The casinos don't have to know about it.But, if you are employed in the state of Nevada, you cannot
get the Seasonal Resident ID card.Sincerely,
Curtis Rich
Law abiding Citizen of Southern CaliforniaOn 9/4/06, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote:
>
> First may I suggest that you show some civility in your postings.
> Second, if Nevada is your primary residence under Nevada law you are
> required to conform to the law. This is in no way a violation of the
> Constitution. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.
>
> May I suggest you go to the local police precinct, tell them your
> situation and dare them to issue you an unconstitutional ticket.
>
>
>
> >That was real helpful information. Let me thank you for answering my
> >question so thoroughly.
> >
> >As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?), well I
> >could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the law? I'm an
> >American and it would be unconstitutional to force someone to
> >register for a license. Now if I want to drive that's another story
> >but you know nothing about me and are assuming things. Limos are
> >cheap here. And you know what they say when you assume....
> >
> >Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state and
> >am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could easily
> >claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not some
> >pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. I'm sure you declare
> >every dime and comp on your taxes right? You better to be a Law
> >abiding Citizen of the United States of America.
> >
> >I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out who one
> >assclown is.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Just for the record....
I disagree with everything you just posted.
BTW, xxxent never indicated whether they are a man or woman.
Yet, both you and timmer assume that they are male. And, as
xxxent previously said, "....you know what they say when you
assume...."
On 9/4/06, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote:
Just for the record.
I did not "condemn him based on my assumptions about him". I said
that his posting was not civil. There is no assumption, it was an
unjustified personal attack.In his post he stated, in effect, that he is not law-abiding and that
he would not obey the law of my state. He also used the US
Constitution to justify criminal behavior.I also noted that the law applied if Nevada is his primary residence.
I condemned him for his uncivil personal attack on a member of this
board and his contempt for those of us who obey the law.He owes timmer an apology. You owe me one.
Bill
At 01:25 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote:
>Hi xxxent.
>
> You are correct. Bill & timmer are condemning you based on
>their assumptions about you. They both commented about
>driving being a privilege and your obligation to obtain a Driver
>License. But, you never asked about *driving*. You originally
>asked about an *ID card* (not a Driver License). For all we know,
>you do not drive! ;~)
>
>You didn't state whether or not you work in Nevada. If you do not
>work in Nevada, but you do want to change your status with the
>casinos (to become a 'local'), you may qualify for a Seasonal
>Resident ID card. This is NOT a Driver License, but the casinos
>might accept it as proof of 'local' residency, for their purposes.
>
>So, in this way, I believe that you may continue to keep your
>out of state Driver License (and residency), but also become a
>'local' customer, as far as the casinos are concerned.
>
>Of course, if you chose to keep your status with the casinos
>as it is (out of state customer), you can still get the Seasonal
>Resident ID card. The casinos don't have to know about it.
>
>But, if you are employed in the state of Nevada, you cannot
>get the Seasonal Resident ID card.
>
>Sincerely,
> Curtis Rich
>Law abiding Citizen of Southern California
>
>
>On 9/4/06, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > First may I suggest that you show some civility in your postings.
> > Second, if Nevada is your primary residence under Nevada law you are
> > required to conform to the law. This is in no way a violation of the
> > Constitution. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.
> >
> > May I suggest you go to the local police precinct, tell them your
> > situation and dare them to issue you an unconstitutional ticket.
> >
> >
> >
> > >That was real helpful information. Let me thank you for answering my
> > >question so thoroughly.
> > >
> > >As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?), well I
> > >could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the law? I'm an
> > >American and it would be unconstitutional to force someone to
> > >register for a license. Now if I want to drive that's another story
> > >but you know nothing about me and are assuming things. Limos are
> > >cheap here. And you know what they say when you assume....
> > >
> > >Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state and
> > >am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could easily
> > >claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not some
> > >pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. I'm sure you declare
> > >every dime and comp on your taxes right? You better to be a Law
> > >abiding Citizen of the United States of America.
> > >
> > >I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out who one
> > >assclown is.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
As an aside, I always thought this worked the other way around; i.e.,
most people are trying to show they are NV residents when in fact they
are not, because of the tax benefits, among other things.
I guess this is a sensitive issue due to the many out-of-state
land/house speculators that NV has been plagued with the past few
years. It is a real shame if you've been a Las Vegas resident for 10
years trying to make it, only to find yourself priced out of the market
once you do.
Disagreeing with facts only serves to make you look foolish.
Also, the English language does not have a gender neutral pronoun.
The male is often used when gender is unknown. I'm surprised you
didn't know that.
If you wish to continue this email me privately. I probably won't
bother to respond but you never know.
At 04:57 PM 9/4/2006, you wrote:
Just for the record....
I disagree with everything you just posted.BTW, xxxent never indicated whether they are a man or woman.
Yet, both you and timmer assume that they are male. And, as
xxxent previously said, "....you know what they say when you
assume...."
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
First may I suggest that you show some civility in your postings.
Second, if Nevada is your primary residence under Nevada law you
are
required to conform to the law. This is in no way a violation of
the
Constitution. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.
May I suggest you go to the local police precinct, tell them your
situation and dare them to issue you an unconstitutional ticket.>That was real helpful information. Let me thank you for answering
my
>question so thoroughly.
>
>As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?),
well I
>could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the law? I'm
an
>American and it would be unconstitutional to force someone to
>register for a license. Now if I want to drive that's another
story
>but you know nothing about me and are assuming things. Limos are
>cheap here. And you know what they say when you assume....
>
>Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state and
>am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could easily
>claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not
some
>pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. I'm sure you declare
>every dime and comp on your taxes right? You better to be a Law
>abiding Citizen of the United States of America.
>
>I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out who
one
>assclown is.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I had heard intelligent people posted here, yet here we have another
person who failed reading comprehension. At anytime have I ever said
I operate a motor vehicle in the state of Nevada? I asked a question
about comps and out of state vs. local ID. Did I say drivers
license? Did I say I even drive? Perhaps I'm disabled and can't
drive. Perhaps I have a chauffeur. Perhaps I lost my right to drive
due to DUI's. Perhaps I don't care and drive regardless of the law.
My question, for the slow witted, had nothing to do with driving or a
drivers license. Yet you choose to debate a topic without even
having complete information. We found assclown #2.
If I go to my local police precinct think they could tell me about
comps?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
Hi xxxent.
You are correct. Bill & timmer are condemning you based on
their assumptions about you. They both commented about
driving being a privilege and your obligation to obtain a Driver
License. But, you never asked about *driving*. You originally
asked about an *ID card* (not a Driver License). For all we know,
you do not drive! ;~)You didn't state whether or not you work in Nevada. If you do not
work in Nevada, but you do want to change your status with the
casinos (to become a 'local'), you may qualify for a Seasonal
Resident ID card. This is NOT a Driver License, but the casinos
might accept it as proof of 'local' residency, for their purposes.So, in this way, I believe that you may continue to keep your
out of state Driver License (and residency), but also become a
'local' customer, as far as the casinos are concerned.Of course, if you chose to keep your status with the casinos
as it is (out of state customer), you can still get the Seasonal
Resident ID card. The casinos don't have to know about it.But, if you are employed in the state of Nevada, you cannot
get the Seasonal Resident ID card.Sincerely,
Curtis Rich
Law abiding Citizen of Southern California>
> First may I suggest that you show some civility in your postings.
> Second, if Nevada is your primary residence under Nevada law you
are
> required to conform to the law. This is in no way a violation of
the
> Constitution. Driving is not a right, it is a privilege.
>
> May I suggest you go to the local police precinct, tell them your
> situation and dare them to issue you an unconstitutional ticket.
>
>
>
> >That was real helpful information. Let me thank you for
answering my
> >question so thoroughly.
> >
> >As for being a law abiding citizen (btw, why the weird caps?),
well I
> >could give a damn about that. And how am I breaking the law?
I'm an
> >American and it would be unconstitutional to force someone to
> >register for a license. Now if I want to drive that's another
story
> >but you know nothing about me and are assuming things. Limos are
> >cheap here. And you know what they say when you assume....
> >
> >Not that it's your business but I own property in my home state
and
> >am registered to vote there currently so if pressed I could
easily
> >claim to still be a resident. All I wanted was information not
some
> >pompous poster lecturing on a ridiculous law. I'm sure you
declare
> >every dime and comp on your taxes right? You better to be a Law
> >abiding Citizen of the United States of America.
> >
> >I'm relatively new on this forum and I've already figured out
who one
> >assclown is.
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Thank you for an intelligent and thought out answer that actually
deals with the question asked.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
On 9/4/06, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote: