"bdhabm" wrote:
Well, first we got rid of Rob Singer and now we have this
nonsense from Frank about 3000 hands per hour and
dehydration and so forth. What a crock of you know what. If
all of this is true, maybe Franks boss (the money man) of
the team he "managed" can chime in and verify that all this
is true.
Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.
vpFREE Administrator
Can anyone fill us newbies in on the Rob Singer
being 'gotten ride of' from this forum history?
Thanks.
--- On Sat, 2/5/11, vpFREE Administrator <vpfreeadmin@cox.net> wrote:
From: vpFREE Administrator <vpfreeadmin@cox.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour
To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 1:00 PM
"bdhabm" wrote:
Well, first we got rid of Rob Singer and now we have this
nonsense from Frank about 3000 hands per hour and
dehydration and so forth. What a crock of you know what. If
all of this is true, maybe Franks boss (the money man) of
the team he "managed" can chime in and verify that all this
is true.
Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.
vpFREE Administrator
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"bdhabm" wrote:
> Well, first we got rid of Rob Singer and ...
Bruce Cohen replied:
Can anyone fill us newbies in on the Rob Singer
being 'gotten ride of' from this forum history?
Rob Singer posted on vpFREE at one time on a moderated basis, after
agreeing that any discussion of his system(s) or results would be confined
to FREEvpFREE. He later voluntarily discontinued posting.
vpFREE Administrator
Good move administrator. I am new to the blog and enjoy 99 % of the entries and would not continue if this type of post was allowed.
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE Administrator <vpfreeadmin@cox.net>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 6:07 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour
"bdhabm" wrote:
Well, first we got rid of Rob Singer and now we have this
nonsense from Frank about 3000 hands per hour and
dehydration and so forth. What a crock of you know what. If
all of this is true, maybe Franks boss (the money man) of
the team he "managed" can chime in and verify that all this
is true.
Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.
vpFREE Administrator
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Well, I really thank you for supporting me, but I ask lenience for bdhabm. At least this time.
My play is a little hard to believe, unless one has seen it. In this case, I believe doubt is only good sense.
Just have him email me, I'll take him to lunch, give him a VP demo, and I can turn a skeptic into a friend.
I would hate to see anyone kicked off vpFREE if I'm involved, even peripherally. Especially, when all I need to do is play in front of him for 2-min and all will be well with the world.
Oh I would like to go on record for one thing: I only mentioned my hand speed because someone asked me by name in this thread to reveal it. I have never mentioned it before, for just this reason.
_____
Now can I ask a favor of vpFREE, can we please not mention my old play speed anymore. You all don't seem to realize how sore a point this is with me.
Some like bdhabm doubt me.
Others that have seen me, are impressed.
Meanwhile, all I can think about is the wasted time. It nearly brings me to tears. A decade of my life, lost forever. Please let's just drop this and move on.
~FK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kona623@... wrote:
Good move administrator. I am new to the blog and enjoy 99 % of the entries and would not continue if this type of post was allowed.
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE Administrator <vpfreeadmin@...>
To: vpFREE <vpFREE@...>
Sent: Sat, Feb 5, 2011 6:07 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour"bdhabm" wrote:
> Well, first we got rid of Rob Singer and now we have this
> nonsense from Frank about 3000 hands per hour and
> dehydration and so forth. What a crock of you know what. If
> all of this is true, maybe Franks boss (the money man) of
> the team he "managed" can chime in and verify that all this
> is true.Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.vpFREE Administrator
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'm just an occasional visitor to Vegas, but I remember once about six years ago I stopped by the Palms and I saw this guy playing a machine in a blazingly fast manner. I was still a VP newbie back then and I'd like to see that guy again so I could get a clue how he was doing it. I do remember, though, that he stuck out like a sore thumb to me because it was so impressive. I remember thinking to myself that there could be no way whoever that guy was could stay under the casino's radar as an extremely skilled player.
I don't know who he was, but I've never seen anyone else approach how fast this guy was. It was more than impressive, it was freakish! lol
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
.
My play is a little hard to believe, unless one has seen it. In this case, I believe doubt is only good sense.
Might have just been a tweaker, they play really fast also. The fastest players are probably the tweakers, but they make a lot of mistakes, if they even have any credits in the machine, sometimes they're just pretending to play to hustle drinks.
Stu Unger "Nobody was quicker":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EAO9CFnHBw
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
I don't know who he was, but I've never seen anyone else approach how fast this guy was. It was more than impressive, it was freakish! lol
Nope, not a tweaker, not this guy. He was a real player, whomever he was.
And thanks for the Stuey link, Iguana, that was very interesting.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000" <nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:
Might have just been a tweaker, they play really fast also. The fastest players are probably the tweakers, but they make a lot of mistakes, if they even have any credits in the machine, sometimes they're just pretending to play to hustle drinks.
It's actually a skill you can hone. Many years ago I saw a special on ESPN about skilled athletes and their ability to process information the eyes see and act upon it. Elite hitters in baseball, for example, have an ability to see and process things that the average person can't. It's not the "seeing" part or even "hand-eye coordination" that is the key, it's the "processing" part that makes them stand-out. The special showed the exercises athletes would do to help develop that skill set. Tony Gwynn (I think) would look at a white screen and a circle of light the size of a baseball would be flashed on it which contained 4 random numbers. He would work the speed faster and faster to hone his ability to process what his eyes saw. He could pull 4 numbers out of a flash and call them out before my mind even processed that there had been a flash. He would do the same thing with a circle of light that moved in a circle on the screen. I couldn't following the light, let alone even see the numbers inside of it. His eyes could follow the light and process what they saw at speeds that were unbelievable. Some NFL WR would stare at a board of lights which would illuminate in a random manner. He would touch each light as it illuminated. He could go so fast it defied explanation. There were other similar exercises that they would do to help.
In short, I believe Frank's speed as I have seen first-hand people who can see, process, and react more quickly than I would ever believe possible.
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: bobbartop@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 16:01:55 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:
.
My play is a little hard to believe, unless one has seen it. In this case, I believe doubt is only good sense.
I'm just an occasional visitor to Vegas, but I remember once about six years ago I stopped by the Palms and I saw this guy playing a machine in a blazingly fast manner. I was still a VP newbie back then and I'd like to see that guy again so I could get a clue how he was doing it. I do remember, though, that he stuck out like a sore thumb to me because it was so impressive. I remember thinking to myself that there could be no way whoever that guy was could stay under the casino's radar as an extremely skilled player.
I don't know who he was, but I've never seen anyone else approach how fast this guy was. It was more than impressive, it was freakish! lol
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This Hands Per Hour talk reminds me of a hustler friend of mine we called Hawaiian Derek, the fastest flush attacker alive. At least we thought so at the time. I never seen Frank play. I'll have to set this story up a little bit. This goes back to 1997.
The most competitive LINKED-BANK flush attack I ever saw was the 18 machine bank at the Riverside in Laughlin. It was at the base of the elevator up to the bingo hall.
On a linked bank it takes 15 points worth of flushes to put the entire bank into FLUSH ATTACK mode. If player in seat one made a one-coin flush, then he put one point in. If player in seat 6 made a two-coin flush she put 2 points in. If player in seat 8 made a 5-coin flush he put 5 points in. Once 15 points of flush were accumulated the top of the screens of all the machines lit up and said "FLUSH ATTACK." Even the vacant machines. The next player to make a flush got paid 125 coins. Then it would take 15 points worth of flush to turn the light on again.
A player who only played in flush attack mode with correct strategy held a 35% edge. But there was big time heat on the Riverside bank. One had to disguise their play. You couldn't just sit there between lights. There was all kinds of techniques....one-coining between lights being the most prevalent.
I also would judge up the bank, the hustler to ploppie ratio. So you had to know your hustlers. And you had to judge your ploppies up for how much action they were making as they were the ones creating the lights. In some scenarios it was a dream game, all 18 machines being played, with lights coming about every three minutes. In other scenarios their were not that many players and the ploppie to hustler ratio wasn't good, lights only coming about every half hour. It's the latter situation I avoided. The hourly rate wasn't good and I was just exposing myself to heat.
So anyways Hawaiian Derek was a classic. He wore disguises and all. One day he's bald headed wearing a business suit. Another day he's a hayseed cowboy, jeans, boots, hat and all. I don't think the disguises did him any good because you could always tell it was Hawaiian Derek when the flush attack light came on.
Derek always locked up two machines if he could. He knew every trick in the book to make it look like he was making action between the lights. But he wasn't moving very fast at all. He knew every stall trick. But when the light came on LOOK OUT! He was faster than greased lighting. Slapping butttons on two machines. A human tornado. The Tasmanian Devil. Ploppies on the bank would stop watch him play. ROFLMAO!
When the light went out, whether he got it or not, he went back to his slower than molasses routine. Waiting for the next light.
I disagree with this banning. This was nothing more than an expression of skepticism. In fact he asked for verification, leaving open the door that he might be wrong in his assessment of Frank's skills. The strongest word he used was "nonsense" and the expression " a crock of" carefully omitting the expletive.
Posters who have cursed numerous times on this board are still allowed to post and you ban this guy ?
Larry F.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...> wrote:
Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.vpFREE Administrator
We are in the Obama Era......you will obey and comply.
________________________________
From: "lfcmja@verizon.net" <lfcmja@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:36:30 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...> wrote:
Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.vpFREE Administrator
I disagree with this banning. This was nothing more than an expression of
skepticism. In fact he asked for verification, leaving open the door that he
might be wrong in his assessment of Frank's skills. The strongest word he used
was "nonsense" and the expression " a crock of" carefully omitting the
expletive.
Posters who have cursed numerous times on this board are still allowed to post
and you ban this guy ?
Larry F.
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I thought politically oriented postings(and religious ones) were not
permitted hereabouts. If I am wrong, and political invective is
allowed, please advise, as I'd like to challenge Mr. Long's channeling of
wingnut polemic.
If Mr. Long's post was intended as humour, it sure missed the mark.
We are in the Obama Era......you will obey and comply.
________________________________
From: "lfcmja@verizon.net" <lfcmja@verizon.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:36:30 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...>
wrote:
Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.vpFREE Administrator
I disagree with this banning. This was nothing more than an expression
of
skepticism. In fact he asked for verification, leaving open the door that
he
might be wrong in his assessment of Frank's skills. The strongest word he
used
was "nonsense" and the expression " a crock of" carefully omitting the
expletive.
Posters who have cursed numerous times on this board are still allowed
to post
and you ban this guy ?
Larry F.
------------------------------------
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Yahoo! Groups Links
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
On Feb 7, 2011 3:24 PM, "Richard Long" <carlboy101@yahoo.com> wrote:
"bdhabm" wrote:
Well, first we got rid of Rob Singer and now we have this
nonsense from Frank about 3000 hands per hour and
dehydration and so forth. What a crock of you know what. If
all of this is true, maybe Franks boss (the money man) of
the team he "managed" can chime in and verify that all this
is true.Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.vpFREE Administrator
This seems like an overreaction on the administrator's part and I'm
surprised more people haven't expressed the same thing that bdhabm
did.
I was Frank's "boss" and "money man." I was very impressed with him
at first. I distinctly remember one day, just after the previous
manager of my team in Las Vegas had quit/gotten fired, and I wanted
several players on the 6-coin quarter progressive at the Frontier. I
never liked calling many people and organizing something like that but
I believe I wasn't calling Frank to do that, but just to play. I
don't know who initiated the conversation about him organizing it or
why, but that became the primary focus of our conversation. With what
was, to me, very appealing self-confidence and initiative, he
volunteered to organize it and it was a breath of fresh air to me. I
distinctly remember him asking, even before we had officially agreed
that he would do it, "how many people do you want" there? I
immediately took him up on the offer. I don't remember if we made any
agreement on what he would get out of it at the time, but, either then
or soon afterwards, we agreed that he would get a certain share of the
net win that resulted from his organizing. I believe it was 25%. The
results started out very well. I think he won something like $80,000
in a few weeks, his share of which I believe was $20,000. We never
discussed one aspect of our agreement, which was, after he had taken
his cut of the winnings, if he then lost it or some of it back, he
would either owe his share of the difference back to me or at least be
obligated to stay, even if he didn't want to, until he had won the
succeeding loss back. Following that win, he lost back about half of
it, his share of which would have been about $10,000, and then he
quit. I believe he wrote in his book that that organizing effort was
just too much work. That doesn't surprise me, since it was possibly
similar to how I felt. But now, I believed he owed me something. He
had taken his share of the initial win but hadn't offered to do
anything about the succeeding loss. Maybe he quit because he didn't
want to face the obligation that I believe he knew I thought he had.
I can't remember what steps I took to try to resolve the situation,
but by the time a $5 play at Caesars Tahoe came up soon afterwards, I
didn't want to do business with him, any more, because of the
situation. He asked me to bankroll his play on it and I, surprised
that he had even asked, turned him down. Many pros were on that play.
I don't remember how I heard that he did what he did about that play,
but I've never heard it be disputed, either, and it was consistent
with many reports of his actions following it. If Frank disagrees,
I'd like to hear it. I believe he went to management at Caesars Tahoe
and told them that many pros were playing there. I regard that as the
cardinal sin of a professional gambler. Straightforwardly competing
is fine, but involving management in that way isn't. In the following
months, the manager of my team in Reno told me that Frank tried, at
every opportunity, to go to management and get us kicked out. I
believed her and it solidified my antagonism toward him that still
remains. But who knows? Maybe she was lying or had wrong
information. I believe Frank's partner told me that he did that
simply because it made good business sense to him. I've always liked
his partner, but even he and I had friction because of his involvement
with Frank.
Although I'm not the one to ask about Frank's "3000 hands per hour and
dehydration," which came after we had mostly parted ways, I find many
of Frank's claims difficult to swallow. His frequent claims to have
managed the biggest progressive team ever are somewhat exaggerated, if
only in emphasis. He either implies or says that he did it for longer
than he did. Unless he means another team besides mine, which I've
never heard of, he only did that for a few weeks and I'm skeptical
that mine was the biggest one ever, anyway. It's like having a
business career for 20 years and making the cornerstone of one's
resume something that one did for 6 weeks and quit because one didn't
like it. I think he wrote that he played on a single line quarter
progressive that reached $46,000. The highest quarter progressive I
remember was at Harvey's, with 5% meters, which got to $13,000 or so.
Maybe Frank's report is accurate. But I'd bet on it being an
exaggeration. I remember $1 progressives that high, but no quarters.
I believe in forgiveness. I've struggled, including with Frank, to
live up to it, but I believe revenge and holding a grudge are always
wrong. My opinion of Frank has long since disregarded the $10,000
I've always thought he owed me in one form or another. That was more
the "trigger" of my souring towards him and maybe it was just a
misunderstanding. And trying to get my players kicked out is also
(mostly?) "water under the bridge" by now. I'm willing to assume that
he wouldn't do either of those again. But his braggadocio is like
nails on a chalkboard to me. I also believe, again without always
living up to it, in being humble and unassuming. He says that he
regrets making his speed of play so phenomenal and that it is a "sore
subject" to him, but my impression is that he loves talking about it.
I played on the same bank of Loose Deuces machines that he was playing
on on February 14, 2007. I heard him say that he played "very fast."
Couldn't he just ignore the subject if it's so painful for him? He
has been referred to in recent posts on this board as the "smartest
man." For all I know, he's probably in the running for that. I've
heard he's also an expert with computers. Does such a smart man
really not realize how insulting it is to tell a group of video poker
players that he regrets not being a world class violinist because he
has wasted his life playing video poker? Wouldn't it be more classy
to let other people find out about his skill as a violinist and video
poker player instead of broadcasting it so frequently? I think
something that I read in the last few days "pushed me over the edge"
into writing this. Frank wrote that he thought "everyone knew" where
Jackpot Joanie's is. As bdhabm wrote about Frank's claims about his
speed of play, I'm convinced that's a total crock. I'm not the best
scout, but I'm fairly well informed and I had never heard of Jackpot
Joanie's before. I'm confident that if we took a poll of vpFree
subscribers, I'd be in the majority and I'm equally convinced that
Frank is well aware of that. Frank's comment can be translated as
"I'm aware of something that few people are and the value, to me, of
revealing that fact to everyone far surpasses any loss, to me, of
revealing the play to everyone, but I hope everyone believes that I
really thought everyone knew about it." As many people who know him
agree, that's typical of Frank. Frank probably has many superior
skills, but spiritual excellence isn't one of them.
I hope this wasn't too much "dirty laundry," but, since I was asked, I
wanted to get as many details as possible clarified.
WOW dude...you're gonna get 86'ed from vpFREE. LOL
________________________________
From: Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 3:29:42 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour
"bdhabm" wrote:
Well, first we got rid of Rob Singer and now we have this
nonsense from Frank about 3000 hands per hour and
dehydration and so forth. What a crock of you know what. If
all of this is true, maybe Franks boss (the money man) of
the team he "managed" can chime in and verify that all this
is true.Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
anymore on vpFREE.vpFREE Administrator
This seems like an overreaction on the administrator's part and I'm
surprised more people haven't expressed the same thing that bdhabm
did.
I was Frank's "boss" and "money man." I was very impressed with him
at first. I distinctly remember one day, just after the previous
manager of my team in Las Vegas had quit/gotten fired, and I wanted
several players on the 6-coin quarter progressive at the Frontier. I
never liked calling many people and organizing something like that but
I believe I wasn't calling Frank to do that, but just to play. I
don't know who initiated the conversation about him organizing it or
why, but that became the primary focus of our conversation. With what
was, to me, very appealing self-confidence and initiative, he
volunteered to organize it and it was a breath of fresh air to me. I
distinctly remember him asking, even before we had officially agreed
that he would do it, "how many people do you want" there? I
immediately took him up on the offer. I don't remember if we made any
agreement on what he would get out of it at the time, but, either then
or soon afterwards, we agreed that he would get a certain share of the
net win that resulted from his organizing. I believe it was 25%. The
results started out very well. I think he won something like $80,000
in a few weeks, his share of which I believe was $20,000. We never
discussed one aspect of our agreement, which was, after he had taken
his cut of the winnings, if he then lost it or some of it back, he
would either owe his share of the difference back to me or at least be
obligated to stay, even if he didn't want to, until he had won the
succeeding loss back. Following that win, he lost back about half of
it, his share of which would have been about $10,000, and then he
quit. I believe he wrote in his book that that organizing effort was
just too much work. That doesn't surprise me, since it was possibly
similar to how I felt. But now, I believed he owed me something. He
had taken his share of the initial win but hadn't offered to do
anything about the succeeding loss. Maybe he quit because he didn't
want to face the obligation that I believe he knew I thought he had.
I can't remember what steps I took to try to resolve the situation,
but by the time a $5 play at Caesars Tahoe came up soon afterwards, I
didn't want to do business with him, any more, because of the
situation. He asked me to bankroll his play on it and I, surprised
that he had even asked, turned him down. Many pros were on that play.
I don't remember how I heard that he did what he did about that play,
but I've never heard it be disputed, either, and it was consistent
with many reports of his actions following it. If Frank disagrees,
I'd like to hear it. I believe he went to management at Caesars Tahoe
and told them that many pros were playing there. I regard that as the
cardinal sin of a professional gambler. Straightforwardly competing
is fine, but involving management in that way isn't. In the following
months, the manager of my team in Reno told me that Frank tried, at
every opportunity, to go to management and get us kicked out. I
believed her and it solidified my antagonism toward him that still
remains. But who knows? Maybe she was lying or had wrong
information. I believe Frank's partner told me that he did that
simply because it made good business sense to him. I've always liked
his partner, but even he and I had friction because of his involvement
with Frank.
Although I'm not the one to ask about Frank's "3000 hands per hour and
dehydration," which came after we had mostly parted ways, I find many
of Frank's claims difficult to swallow. His frequent claims to have
managed the biggest progressive team ever are somewhat exaggerated, if
only in emphasis. He either implies or says that he did it for longer
than he did. Unless he means another team besides mine, which I've
never heard of, he only did that for a few weeks and I'm skeptical
that mine was the biggest one ever, anyway. It's like having a
business career for 20 years and making the cornerstone of one's
resume something that one did for 6 weeks and quit because one didn't
like it. I think he wrote that he played on a single line quarter
progressive that reached $46,000. The highest quarter progressive I
remember was at Harvey's, with 5% meters, which got to $13,000 or so.
Maybe Frank's report is accurate. But I'd bet on it being an
exaggeration. I remember $1 progressives that high, but no quarters.
I believe in forgiveness. I've struggled, including with Frank, to
live up to it, but I believe revenge and holding a grudge are always
wrong. My opinion of Frank has long since disregarded the $10,000
I've always thought he owed me in one form or another. That was more
the "trigger" of my souring towards him and maybe it was just a
misunderstanding. And trying to get my players kicked out is also
(mostly?) "water under the bridge" by now. I'm willing to assume that
he wouldn't do either of those again. But his braggadocio is like
nails on a chalkboard to me. I also believe, again without always
living up to it, in being humble and unassuming. He says that he
regrets making his speed of play so phenomenal and that it is a "sore
subject" to him, but my impression is that he loves talking about it.
I played on the same bank of Loose Deuces machines that he was playing
on on February 14, 2007. I heard him say that he played "very fast."
Couldn't he just ignore the subject if it's so painful for him? He
has been referred to in recent posts on this board as the "smartest
man." For all I know, he's probably in the running for that. I've
heard he's also an expert with computers. Does such a smart man
really not realize how insulting it is to tell a group of video poker
players that he regrets not being a world class violinist because he
has wasted his life playing video poker? Wouldn't it be more classy
to let other people find out about his skill as a violinist and video
poker player instead of broadcasting it so frequently? I think
something that I read in the last few days "pushed me over the edge"
into writing this. Frank wrote that he thought "everyone knew" where
Jackpot Joanie's is. As bdhabm wrote about Frank's claims about his
speed of play, I'm convinced that's a total crock. I'm not the best
scout, but I'm fairly well informed and I had never heard of Jackpot
Joanie's before. I'm confident that if we took a poll of vpFree
subscribers, I'd be in the majority and I'm equally convinced that
Frank is well aware of that. Frank's comment can be translated as
"I'm aware of something that few people are and the value, to me, of
revealing that fact to everyone far surpasses any loss, to me, of
revealing the play to everyone, but I hope everyone believes that I
really thought everyone knew about it." As many people who know him
agree, that's typical of Frank. Frank probably has many superior
skills, but spiritual excellence isn't one of them.
I hope this wasn't too much "dirty laundry," but, since I was asked, I
wanted to get as many details as possible clarified.
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Attributing the banning of a member to who is president seems like a reach to me. The "Who is the king of VP speed ?" topic can get you in trouble around here.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Long <carlboy101@...> wrote:
We are in the Obama Era......you will obey and comply.
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From: "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:36:30 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Hands per hour--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@> wrote:
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> Please disregard this post by bdhabm, who has ignored
> previous politeness requests and won't be allowed to post
> anymore on vpFREE.
>
> vpFREE Administrator
>
I disagree with this banning. This was nothing more than an expression of
skepticism. In fact he asked for verification, leaving open the door that he
might be wrong in his assessment of Frank's skills. The strongest word he used
was "nonsense" and the expression " a crock of" carefully omitting the
expletive.
Posters who have cursed numerous times on this board are still allowed to post
and you ban this guy ?Larry F.
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Posting privileges are revoked when members demonstrate they
won't observe our posting guidelines, but no one has ever
been banned from vpFREE.
When a member's posting privileges are revoked or when a
borderline member is allowed to continue posting, the full
details are usually privy only to the member involved and
the administrator. Posting privilege decisions usually involve
private emails with requests, counseling, probation,
warnings, moderation etc..
In this instance, gratuitously calling another member's post
"nonsense" and "a crock of you know what" was unacceptable
from a many times offender who was on probation and had been
warned that a future impolite post would terminate their
posting privileges.
vpFREE Administrator
On 7 Feb 2011 at 18:36, lfcmja@verizon.net wrote:
I disagree with this banning. This was nothing more than an expression
of skepticism. In fact he asked for verification, leaving open the door
that he might be wrong in his assessment of Frank's skills. The strongest
word he used was "nonsense" and the expression " a crock of" carefully
omitting the expletive.
Posters who have cursed numerous times on this board are still allowed
to post and you ban this guy ?
We are in the Obama Era......you will obey and comply.
And if you win a jackpot, you must share it with those around you.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Long <carlboy101@...> wrote:
I don't know it gave me a chuckle.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rprosdc <rprosdc@...> wrote:
I thought politically oriented postings(and religious ones) were not
permitted hereabouts. If I am wrong, and political invective is
allowed, please advise, as I'd like to challenge Mr. Long's channeling of
wingnut polemic.If Mr. Long's post was intended as humour, it sure missed the mark.
On Feb 7, 2011 3:24 PM, "Richard Long" <carlboy101@...> wrote:
> We are in the Obama Era......you will obey and comply.
>
From vpFREE Posting Guidelines:
"Use FREEvpFREE for any political, religious, or smoking vs.
non-smoking discussions."
On 7 Feb 2011 at 17:06, Rprosdc wrote:
I thought politically oriented postings(and religious ones) were not
permitted hereabouts. If I am wrong, and political invective is
allowed, please advise, as I'd like to challenge Mr. Long's channeling of
wingnut polemic.
If Mr. Long's post was intended as humour, it sure missed the mark.