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Greedy Old Couple

#1

I just have to check in on this one.

So WHAT if a couple wants to play the only two machines that you want to
play? Tuff, buddy, they were there first. They're well within their rights,
whether they're 80 or 21. And if they get a bit snotty with you for grilling
them about when they're going to leave, that's because you stepped over their
boundaries by butting into their business. I'd get more than a little testy
with you, too. Depending on your attitude, you might hear either the words
"arrogant" and "prick" awfully close together, or some colorful suggestions
about unnatural behavior in the company of certain small farm animals.

As far as shutting down the machines while they go to eat, that's certainly
not their fault. Bitch at the slot manager for allowing it. The old couple
likes those two machines and likes being able to reserve them until they can
return. If the casino allows it, then there's your problem, Sherlock. Same
with one person playing two machines when others are waiting.

- Brian in MI

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#2

Agree 100% with everything you said!

I just have to check in on this one.

So WHAT if a couple wants to play the only two machines that you

want to

play? Tuff, buddy, they were there first. They're well within

their rights,

whether they're 80 or 21. And if they get a bit snotty with you for

grilling

them about when they're going to leave, that's because you stepped

over their

boundaries by butting into their business. I'd get more than a

little testy

with you, too. Depending on your attitude, you might hear either

the words

"arrogant" and "prick" awfully close together, or some colorful

suggestions

about unnatural behavior in the company of certain small farm animals.

As far as shutting down the machines while they go to eat, that's

certainly

not their fault. Bitch at the slot manager for allowing it. The

old couple

likes those two machines and likes being able to reserve them until

they can

return. If the casino allows it, then there's your problem,

Sherlock. Same

with one person playing two machines when others are waiting.

- Brian in MI

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#3

Bravo, Brian:)

Marksalot300@aol.com wrote: I just have to check in on this one.
  
So WHAT if a couple wants to play the only two machines that you want to
play? Tuff, buddy, they were there first. They're well within their rights,
whether they're 80 or 21. And if they get a bit snotty with you for grilling
them about when they're going to leave, that's because you stepped over their
boundaries by butting into their business. I'd get more than a little testy
with you, too. Depending on your attitude, you might hear either the words
"arrogant" and "prick" awfully close together, or some colorful suggestions
about unnatural behavior in the company of certain small farm animals.
  
As far as shutting down the machines while they go to eat, that's certainly
not their fault. Bitch at the slot manager for allowing it. The old couple
likes those two machines and likes being able to reserve them until they can
return. If the casino allows it, then there's your problem, Sherlock. Same
with one person playing two machines when others are waiting.
  
  - Brian in MI

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#4

Preach it brother! At my local "Prairie Band Casino", there are 7
machines with AA. On special days, you must get there early and stay
on them the entire day. If you don't, you won't play AA that day. If
you do get a machine, it's the one with the sticky buttons under the
air conditioner.

I am Elite at this casino. If the casino wants to encourage play,
letting me turn the machine off for an hour at lunch and dinner is a
good way. Personally, I lock up the machine next to the "Wizard of
Oz"/"Top Gun" machines. They have a lot of cool bonuses.

Ask me when I'm leaving, and I'll tell you when I'm good and ready. I
might even decide to stay. It's none of your business how long I'm
going to lock up a machine. As long as it's being played the casino
doesn't care, why should you?

Not taking thing I can't control personally,
dipy911

I just have to check in on this one.
So WHAT if a couple wants to play the only two machines that you

want to

play? Tuff, buddy, they were there first. They're well within

their rights,

whether they're 80 or 21. And if they get a bit snotty with you for

grilling

them about when they're going to leave, that's because you stepped

over their

boundaries by butting into their business. I'd get more than a

little testy

with you, too. Depending on your attitude, you might hear either

the words

"arrogant" and "prick" awfully close together, or some colorful

suggestions

about unnatural behavior in the company of certain small farm animals.

As far as shutting down the machines while they go to eat, that's

certainly

not their fault. Bitch at the slot manager for allowing it. The

old couple

likes those two machines and likes being able to reserve them until

they can

return. If the casino allows it, then there's your problem,

Sherlock. Same

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with one person playing two machines when others are waiting.

- Brian in MI

#5

okay, but thhis is a slippery slope for the casino. You're elite, I'm super elite with a double twist. I want to try those AA machines I've heard about. They are locked and the casino loses my business - which is quite higher than yours. Gotta look at it both ways, no?

jigger

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--- On Thu, 5/1/08, dipy911 <dwoods49090@everestkc.net> wrote:

From: dipy911 <dwoods49090@everestkc.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Locking up machines WAS: Greedy Old Couple
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 1, 2008, 12:35 PM
Preach it brother! At my local "Prairie Band
Casino", there are 7
machines with AA. On special days, you must get there
early and stay
on them the entire day. If you don't, you won't
play AA that day. If
you do get a machine, it's the one with the sticky
buttons under the
air conditioner.

I am Elite at this casino. If the casino wants to
encourage play,
letting me turn the machine off for an hour at lunch and
dinner is a
good way. Personally, I lock up the machine next to the
"Wizard of
Oz"/"Top Gun" machines. They have a lot of
cool bonuses.

Ask me when I'm leaving, and I'll tell you when
I'm good and ready. I
might even decide to stay. It's none of your business
how long I'm
going to lock up a machine. As long as it's being
played the casino
doesn't care, why should you?

Not taking thing I can't control personally,
dipy911

> I just have to check in on this one.
> So WHAT if a couple wants to play the only two
machines that you
want to
> play? Tuff, buddy, they were there first.
They're well within
their rights,
> whether they're 80 or 21. And if they get a bit
snotty with you for
grilling
> them about when they're going to leave, that's
because you stepped
over their
> boundaries by butting into their business. I'd
get more than a
little testy
> with you, too. Depending on your attitude, you might
hear either
the words
> "arrogant" and "prick" awfully
close together, or some colorful
suggestions
> about unnatural behavior in the company of certain
small farm animals.
>
> As far as shutting down the machines while they go to
eat, that's
certainly
> not their fault. Bitch at the slot manager for
allowing it. The
old couple
> likes those two machines and likes being able to
reserve them until
they can
> return. If the casino allows it, then there's
your problem,
Sherlock. Same
> with one person playing two machines when others are
waiting.
>
> - Brian in MI

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#6

Preach it brother! At my local "Prairie Band Casino", there are 7
machines with AA. On special days, you must get there early and stay
on them the entire day. If you don't, you won't play AA that day. If
you do get a machine, it's the one with the sticky buttons under the
air conditioner.

I am Elite at this casino. If the casino wants to encourage play,
letting me turn the machine off for an hour at lunch and dinner is a
good way. Personally, I lock up the machine next to the "Wizard of
Oz"/"Top Gun" machines. They have a lot of cool bonuses.

Ask me when I'm leaving, and I'll tell you when I'm good and ready. I
might even decide to stay. It's none of your business how long I'm
going to lock up a machine. As long as it's being played the casino
doesn't care, why should you?

That's just rude. I don't see why someone interested in a machine
can't politely ask a player if they're planning on leaving at some
point. It is literally "their business" if they'd like to play that
machine and want to plan their day in some reasonable fashion.

Play it for 100 hours if you want, but this haughty attitude over a
simple, reasonable question is just what gives some vp players a bad
name. Is there something wrong with simply smiling and saying "I'll
probably be here for quite a while"? I guess for some people, acting
like an ass is just part of the "experience".

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On 5/1/08, dipy911 <dwoods49090@everestkc.net> wrote:

Not taking thing I can't control personally,
dipy911

> I just have to check in on this one.
> So WHAT if a couple wants to play the only two machines that you
want to
> play? Tuff, buddy, they were there first. They're well within
their rights,
> whether they're 80 or 21. And if they get a bit snotty with you for
grilling
> them about when they're going to leave, that's because you stepped
over their
> boundaries by butting into their business. I'd get more than a
little testy
> with you, too. Depending on your attitude, you might hear either
the words
> "arrogant" and "prick" awfully close together, or some colorful
suggestions
> about unnatural behavior in the company of certain small farm animals.
>
> As far as shutting down the machines while they go to eat, that's
certainly
> not their fault. Bitch at the slot manager for allowing it. The
old couple
> likes those two machines and likes being able to reserve them until
they can
> return. If the casino allows it, then there's your problem,
Sherlock. Same
> with one person playing two machines when others are waiting.
>
> - Brian in MI

#7

Brian: I, too, agree 100% with everything you said.

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On 5/1/08, Marksalot300@aol.com <Marksalot300@aol.com> wrote:

I just have to check in on this one.

So WHAT if a couple wants to play the only two machines that you want to
play? Tuff, buddy, they were there first. They're well within their
rights,
whether they're 80 or 21. And if they get a bit snotty with you for
grilling
them about when they're going to leave, that's because you stepped over
their
boundaries by butting into their business. I'd get more than a little
testy
with you, too. Depending on your attitude, you might hear either the
words
"arrogant" and "prick" awfully close together, or some colorful
suggestions
about unnatural behavior in the company of certain small farm animals.

As far as shutting down the machines while they go to eat,
that's certainly
not their fault. Bitch at the slot manager for allowing it. The old
couple
likes those two machines and likes being able to reserve them until they
can
return. If the casino allows it, then there's your problem,
Sherlock. Same
with one person playing two machines when others are waiting.

- Brian in MI

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#8

Gregory said, "....this haughty attitude over a
simple, reasonable question is just what gives
some vp players a bad name."

The question is neither simple nor reasonable.

It's not 'simple' because many of us have NO IDEA
how long we're going to be on a particular machine.
So, why bother me and ask me to make a guess?

It's not 'reasonable' because it's NO OF YOUR GD
BUSINESS how long we plan to play. It's also none
of your business what machine we will play next,
at what point on the credit meter we will cash out,
when we're going to eat lunch, and when we are
planning to use restroom.

Personally, I would never act like an ass and go
up to someone while they are playing VP and ask
them how long they plan on playing. It's just rude.

When I am playing VP, I prefer to be left alone and
do not appreciate strangers attempting to engage
in any kind of conversation with me....especially if
it is to ask me when they can get on the machine
I'm playing. Those annoying people are the ones
that give VP players a bad name.

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On 5/1/08, Gregory Bart Jr. <broncosaurus@gmail.com> wrote:

Play it for 100 hours if you want, but this haughty attitude over a
simple, reasonable question is just what gives some vp players a bad
name. Is there something wrong with simply smiling and saying "I'll
probably be here for quite a while"? I guess for some people, acting
like an ass is just part of the "experience".

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#9

Preach it brother! At my local "Prairie Band Casino", there are 7
machines with AA. On special days, you must get there early and

stay

on them the entire day. Ask me when I'm leaving, and I'll tell you
when I'm good and ready. I might even decide to stay. It's none of
your business how long I'm going to lock up a machine.

Interesting that you would mention PB as I am intimately familiar
with the situation that used to occur when they had $1 AA and ~1.2%
cash + mail.

I once asked a lady on the bank if she knew approximately when she
would be completing her session. The words "excuse me" and "thanks"
were used during the conversation. Not exactly the behavior of
a "prick" as one poster so eloquently stated. When there were
players waiting to get one of these machines when it was ME playing
one, guess who was always my #1 draft pick for me to hand off to?
Yep, the lady who was cordial and pleasant when replying to my query.

VP is not a combat sport but I guess some like to approach it that
way. Whatever works for you, eh?

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#10

A) Elite is the top level. They are allowed to shut machines off for
1 hour at a time. The next level down gets 45 minutes and the next
level down gets 30 minutes. New cards get no minutes.
B) I can't imagine Bob Dancer getting upset because he can't play
QUARTER AA for a .9% advantage + comps.
C) I hope you complain to management. They hopefully will listen and
then promptly ignore you.

I may be a flea Elite, but the Elite card is all that matters.

Other possible reasons for asking when a person is going to leave.
They see you have a lot of credits and want to know when to follow
your ignorant butt out of the casino. I don't give personal
information to others when at a casino, and WHEN I am going to play IS
personal information. You want my machine, offer me $100. I might
accept the offer. Ask me when I'm going to leave, and I might call
security because you are stalking me.

okay, but thhis is a slippery slope for the casino. You're elite,

I'm super elite with a double twist. I want to try those AA machines
I've heard about. They are locked and the casino loses my business -
which is quite higher than yours. Gotta look at it both ways, no?

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jigger

#11

This reply is for Marksalot and justmare111. I think you guys are
way off base here. Sometimes people drive long distances to play the
few remaining decent games. If they ask courteously, where not reply
with a civil answer so their entire morning or afternoon isn't wasted
waiting on you. You guys shocked me with your unwarranted
aggressiveness. I've asked a similar question several times and
never had any type of negative response. If I received any "lovely"
answer or reply that included prick or some such, I think I'd
suddenly develope an intense desire to take up smoking heavily in
your vicinity and test the smoke alarms.

I just have to check in on this one.

So WHAT if a couple wants to play the only two machines that you

want to

play? Tuff, buddy, they were there first. They're well within

their rights,

whether they're 80 or 21. And if they get a bit snotty with you

for grilling

them about when they're going to leave, that's because you stepped

over their

boundaries by butting into their business. I'd get more than a

little testy

with you, too. Depending on your attitude, you might hear either

the words

"arrogant" and "prick" awfully close together, or some colorful

suggestions

about unnatural behavior in the company of certain small farm

animals.

As far as shutting down the machines while they go to eat, that's

certainly

not their fault. Bitch at the slot manager for allowing it. The

old couple

likes those two machines and likes being able to reserve them

until they can

return. If the casino allows it, then there's your problem,

Sherlock. Same

with one person playing two machines when others are waiting.

- Brian in MI

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#12

A nice attitude by people who ask for information and from those of whom it is asked makes the world a nicer place in which to live.

Begin rant:

Are you rude to people who ask you a polite question in the grocery store.? If you are, then you must be just generally a rude person wherever you are and that's your personality. I've known some people who are always the same - they are nasty when they are gambling, but they are nasty in non-gambling parts of their life too. Their only redeeming quality is that they are consistent.

But if you are ruder to people when you are gambling than you would be in other circumstances, I wonder whether you are playing more than you should or losing more than you should or whether you may be an addicted gambler.

I would hope that I would not be a nicer person when I wasn't gambling. Or, to say it another way, I hope that gambling doesn't turn me from being a nice persons into a not so nice person.

Me, to someone who is playing 2 machines, waiting until they have finished a hand: "Pardon me, but I was wondering if you would mind sharing your second machine since there are no other machines like it that are free."

Most of the time, saying that in a non-aggressive manner will lead to the other person giving up the second machine. Sometimes it will not and I don't pursue the issue.

Me, to someone who is playing just one machine but it is one I want to play and there are no others, again waiting until they are at the end of a hand, if that is possible - some play so fast that there is no pause time!!!: "Pardon me for interrupting, but I need to know whether to wait around for this machine or come back later. Do you have any idea about when you might be quitting?"

Me, when someone asks me this question, I might say:

1, "I think I will be quitting between 5 and 6 to go to dinner. Do you have a cell phone and I can call you when I do quit?

or
2. "I'm sorry, but I really have no idea since I plan to play until my fingers fall off my hands." (But I also say it with a big smile.)

I am amazed how many people on this list "brag" about how impolite they are. It takes such a little effort to be nice. If you go around with a defensive attitude and/or a chip on your shoulder, you are going to attract problem attitudes. I like to have a peaceful loving atmosphere around me at all times, in and out of a casino. I am more apt to have that if I follow the Golden Rule - treating people like I would like to be treated.

End of rant.

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#13

Hi All,

I haven't had time to read all the responses, so if anything I say
seems to be a response to something you've said it probably isn't :wink:

First, if Chris and I are on to a really positive game we're going to
both play. Just because we've "become one flesh" in a biblical sense
doesn't mean we've ceased to be individuals when it comes to gambling.

We'll be happy to tell you when we might be done. However, if we're
chasing a royal that's up above 10,000 credits we won't likely be done
until it hits; sorry.

Second, in the last few years we've started being more careful about
good "hidden" plays when we find them. We'll go out of our way now to
avoid attracting attention. Would NOT have a machine locked up for
us. That's just dumb (yes, I've done it, and it's dumb).

Mac
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#14

I don't recall anyone "bragging" about being impolite to strangers.

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On 5/1/08, Jean Scott <queenofcomps@cox.net> wrote:

I am amazed how many people on this list "brag" about how impolite they
are.
It takes such a little effort to be nice. If you go around with a
defensive
attitude and/or a chip on your shoulder, you are going to attract problem
attitudes. I like to have a peaceful loving atmosphere around me at all
times, in and out of a casino. I am more apt to have that if I follow the
Golden Rule - treating people like I would like to be treated.

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#15

Hey, Hed. Read Brian's post again. He said, ".... Depending
on your attitude, you might hear either the words 'arrogant'
and 'prick' awfully close together...."

DEPENDING ON YOUR ATTITUDE....

Obviously, if somebody's attitude is polite and courteous
when they intrude on the player, the reply to them will
probably also be polite and courteous. Or, at least cordial.

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On 5/1/08, hedonist144 <hedonist144@yahoo.com> wrote:

This reply is for Marksalot and justmare111. I think you guys are
way off base here. Sometimes people drive long distances to play the
few remaining decent games. If they ask courteously, where not reply
with a civil answer so their entire morning or afternoon isn't wasted
waiting on you. You guys shocked me with your unwarranted
aggressiveness. I've asked a similar question several times and
never had any type of negative response. If I received any "lovely"
answer or reply that included prick or some such, I think I'd
suddenly develope an intense desire to take up smoking heavily in
your vicinity and test the smoke alarms.

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#16

okay, but thhis is a slippery slope for the casino. You're elite, I'm super elite with a double

twist. I want to try those AA machines I've heard about. They are locked and the casino
loses my business - which is quite higher than yours. Gotta look at it both ways, no?

jigger

So....

He who has the gold makes the rules.

Rank hath its privileges.

The Diamond members go to the front of the line.

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...> wrote:

#17

I would have the sudden desire to lock up the machine and go to lunch.
In the Buffalo Grill(No Smoking).

You currently have the right to smoke. I currently have the right to
lock up my machine.

dipy911

PS Can I have you mother's maiden name and your SSN, PLEASE. Pretty
PLEASE??? Thank you!!!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hedonist144" <hedonist144@...> wrote:

If I received any "lovely"
answer or reply that included prick or some such, I think I'd
suddenly develope an intense desire to take up smoking heavily in
your vicinity and test the smoke alarms.

#18

Jean Scott wrote:

A nice attitude by people who ask for information and from those of
whom it is asked makes the world a nicer place in which to live.

A subtext for this thread might be: "How to remain polite in an
impolite society"

It's an unfortunate fact that rudeness begets rudeness. Sometimes
it's out of simple indignation, sometimes retaliatory, sometimes it's
preemptive (seeking to ward off anticipated rudeness based upon
similar past experience). I'm sorry to say that at times I engage in
each of the above ... sorry, because at heart I feel it ultimately
demeans myself.

Ideally I hold to the idea of "killing with kindness". Unfortunately,
in some circumstances that's not particularly effective, especially in
those involving "scarce" resources and situations involving stress. I
find casino play and driving to be situations where this is
particularly true.

It's frustrating when a casino choses to inventory only one or two
strong paytables. It seems a self-fulfilling condition for poor hold
(in creating a "survival of the fittest" environ) and a set up for
contention.

Ideally, you'd look for players knowledgeable enough to seek out a
strong machine to adopt a cooperative attitude. I think the majority
might, but all it takes is one or two players two break that mold
through possessiveness and rudeness for an "every man for themselves"
mentality to become pervasive.

I've long forsaken the idea of asking a stranger how long they expect
to play, so I don't end up circling every fifteen minutes. It's a
sure invitation for an antagonistic reception, not to mention
encouragement to hang onto the machine longer than initially
anticipated (or even worse, a 3 hour lock down). I even hesitate to
ask it of a casual acquaintance, having invoked a regretted unfriendly
glare in response a couple of times.

Write it off as simple human nature and accept it as inevitable ...
right! I have great admiration for those who deal with this stuff
without ever having ruffled feathers. I know a few such souls and
look to them as my ideal.

It's a challenge not to lower oneself to the baseness of others. On a
good day I succeed.

- Harry

#19

So, does playing VP turn all these people into jerks or were they jerks to start with? This may not be a simple or reasonable question.

Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com> wrote: Gregory said, "....this haughty attitude over a
simple, reasonable question is just what gives
some vp players a bad name."

The question is neither simple nor reasonable.

It's not 'simple' because many of us have NO IDEA
how long we're going to be on a particular machine.
So, why bother me and ask me to make a guess?

It's not 'reasonable' because it's NO OF YOUR GD
BUSINESS how long we plan to play. It's also none
of your business what machine we will play next,
at what point on the credit meter we will cash out,
when we're going to eat lunch, and when we are
planning to use restroom.

Personally, I would never act like an ass and go
up to someone while they are playing VP and ask
them how long they plan on playing. It's just rude.

When I am playing VP, I prefer to be left alone and
do not appreciate strangers attempting to engage
in any kind of conversation with me....especially if
it is to ask me when they can get on the machine
I'm playing. Those annoying people are the ones
that give VP players a bad name.

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On 5/1/08, Gregory Bart Jr. <broncosaurus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Play it for 100 hours if you want, but this haughty attitude over a
> simple, reasonable question is just what gives some vp players a bad
> name. Is there something wrong with simply smiling and saying "I'll
> probably be here for quite a while"? I guess for some people, acting
> like an ass is just part of the "experience".
>

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#20

Harry wrote

{Big snip}

It's frustrating when a casino choses to inventory only
one or two strong paytables. It seems a self-fulfilling
condition for poor hold (in creating a "survival of the
fittest" environ) and a set up for contention.

Survival of the fittest is a phrase that occurred to me
also during this conversation. Paladin seems to espouse this
philosophy -- complaining about sharing plays with the
great unwashed -- until he can't access a play. Then he's
miffed. Ultimately isn't monopolizing a machine just another
form of withholding a play? Sort of funny really.

I look forward to some entertaining rationalization.