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Greedy Old Couple

It's not a tough question to answer.

The people who are bothering VP players by rudely
asking when it will be 'their turn' are jerks to begin with.

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On 5/2/08, Jim Madeley <jm002546@yahoo.com> wrote:

So, does playing VP turn all these people into jerks or were they jerks to
start with? This may not be a simple or reasonable question.

Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com> wrote:
Gregory said, "....this haughty attitude over a simple,
reasonable question is just what givessome vp players a bad name."

The question is neither simple nor reasonable.

It's not 'simple' because many of us have NO IDEA
how long we're going to be on a particular machine.
So, why bother me and ask me to make a guess?

It's not 'reasonable' because it's NO OF YOUR GD
BUSINESS how long we plan to play. It's also none
of your business what machine we will play next,
at what point on the credit meter we will cash out,
when we're going to eat lunch, and when we are
planning to use restroom.

Personally, I would never act like an ass and go
up to someone while they are playing VP and ask
them how long they plan on playing. It's just rude.

When I am playing VP, I prefer to be left alone and
do not appreciate strangers attempting to engage
in any kind of conversation with me....especially if
it is to ask me when they can get on the machine
I'm playing. Those annoying people are the ones
that give VP players a bad name.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001" <krajewski.sa@...>
wrote:

> It's frustrating when a casino choses to inventory only
> one or two strong paytables. It seems a self-fulfilling
> condition for poor hold (in creating a "survival of the
> fittest" environ) and a set up for contention.

Huh? Dude, those are "mistakes", not "inventory"

Survival of the fittest is a phrase that occurred to me
also during this conversation. Paladin seems to espouse this
philosophy -- complaining about sharing plays with the
great unwashed -- until he can't access a play. Then he's
miffed. Ultimately isn't monopolizing a machine just another
form of withholding a play? Sort of funny really.

Who said I couldn't access it? Like I said, you want to act like a
pro, conduct your business like one. At least learn to play the
@#$%^&* strategy before you sit down. It's the cheat sheets and
locking up the machine to go eat which burns me. And yes, they got
this play from VPFree. So I think the issue is with them and not me.

It's not about denying access to the "great unwashed". It's about
denying access to my fellow professional who contributes nothing to
these fora, yet lurks waiting for opportunities.

I look forward to some entertaining rationalization.

After all this time, it's my business but still your hobby. How's that
for rationalization?

  I don't recall anyone "bragging" about being impolite to strangers.

Perhaps because it is inconvenient for you to do so. In fact at least a
couple of posters (and to a chorus of throaty huzzahs no less) were
practically chortling with glee at how rudely they'd carve up some impudent
who dared aske them a question in a public space.

Further amazing is the misconception, borne from an excess of territorial
behavior perhaps and straight out of the Ann Coulter school of social
etiquette, that this is all "their business". Any casino ultimately takes
it as its right to toss any avaracious greedhead off a machine, table or
even the whole property at any time and for any (or no) reason. That's the
sum total of the ultimate worth of your "rights" to a machine--a bunch of
show tickets in a two horse race.

And if I were a casino manager, I'd strongly consider kicking out some clown
who goes around insulting my patrons. If I wanted a watchdog, I'd go to the
pound and find a nice toothy pitbull and chain him to the card reader. What
I don't need is some poor newbie telling 10 friends that "Hey, casino X has
great machines...it's the PLAYERS who are 'tight'!"
'

All in all, some pretty weak stuff--one compared politely asking about
machine availability to inquiring when one is going to the bathroom. Unless
you happen to meet your urologist at the local Harrah's, I'd say this is
about as likely as getting back to back dealt royals in hearts.

Worst part of this thread is, there's do doubt many of the Insultrons would,
upon arriving too late to their favorite machine, shamelessly ask the very
same question if they thought they'd get an honest answer (or didn't risk
getting kicked in the shins).

>
> I am amazed how many people on this list "brag" about how impolite they
> are.
> It takes such a little effort to be nice. If you go around with a
> defensive
> attitude and/or a chip on your shoulder, you are going to attract
problem
> attitudes. I like to have a peaceful loving atmosphere around me at all
> times, in and out of a casino. I am more apt to have that if I follow
the
> Golden Rule - treating people like I would like to be treated.

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On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:59 PM, Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/1/08, Jean Scott <queenofcomps@cox.net <queenofcomps%40cox.net>> > wrote:

Check, smoking deterent is effective.

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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dipy911" <dwoods49090@...> wrote:

I would have the sudden desire to lock up the machine and go to lunch.
In the Buffalo Grill(No Smoking).

You currently have the right to smoke. I currently have the right to
lock up my machine.

dipy911

PS Can I have you mother's maiden name and your SSN, PLEASE. Pretty
PLEASE??? Thank you!!!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hedonist144" <hedonist144@> wrote:
> If I received any "lovely"
> answer or reply that included prick or some such, I think I'd
> suddenly develope an intense desire to take up smoking heavily in
> your vicinity and test the smoke alarms.

I have another question to add and that's if one VPFree member's (two
members if you count his 'ghost' alias that he frequently posts under)
sole purpose of joining this group was to antagonize other posters and
N-E-V-E-R offer any information with value?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jim Madeley <jm002546@...> wrote:

  So, does playing VP turn all these people into jerks or were they
jerks to start with? This may not be a simple or reasonable question.

Ummm....that's not a question.

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On 5/2/08, hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:

I have another question to add and that's if one VPFree member's (two
members if you count his 'ghost' alias that he frequently posts under)
sole purpose of joining this group was to antagonize other posters and
N-E-V-E-R offer any information with value?

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  So, does playing VP turn all these people into jerks or were they

jerks to start with? This may not be a simple or reasonable question.

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I think they are jerks to begin with. When I play, I try to avoid
sitting near anyone, even if I have to play God forbid, not full pay
machines!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jim Madeley <jm002546@...> wrote:

Okay, so beat me up:) In my opinion no rule says a casino has to offer any "GOOD PAYABLES". That they do is an added plus. A casino was never intended to be employment where your major income is made. Also, whoever gets to a machine first should be able to play as long as they want to without being questioned or interrupted just because you want that machine. I would feel threatened if questioned that way. I don't believe a machine should be held for anyone except for a brief necessity break either. Such nonsense. Lighten up and enjoy life:)

> A nice attitude by people who ask for information and from those of
> whom it is asked makes the world a nicer place in which to live.

A subtext for this thread might be: "How to remain polite in an
impolite society"

It's an unfortunate fact that rudeness begets rudeness. Sometimes
it's out of simple indignation, sometimes retaliatory, sometimes it's
preemptive (seeking to ward off anticipated rudeness based upon
similar past experience). I'm sorry to say that at times I engage in
each of the above ... sorry, because at heart I feel it ultimately
demeans myself.

Ideally I hold to the idea of "killing with kindness". Unfortunately,
in some circumstances that's not particularly effective, especially in
those involving "scarce" resources and situations involving stress. I
find casino play and driving to be situations where this is
particularly true.

It's frustrating when a casino choses to inventory only one or two
strong paytables. It seems a self-fulfilling condition for poor hold
(in creating a "survival of the fittest" environ) and a set up for
contention.

Ideally, you'd look for players knowledgeable enough to seek out a
strong machine to adopt a cooperative attitude. I think the majority
might, but all it takes is one or two players two break that mold
through possessiveness and rudeness for an "every man for themselves"
mentality to become pervasive.

I've long forsaken the idea of asking a stranger how long they expect
to play, so I don't end up circling every fifteen minutes. It's a
sure invitation for an antagonistic reception, not to mention
encouragement to hang onto the machine longer than initially
anticipated (or even worse, a 3 hour lock down). I even hesitate to
ask it of a casual acquaintance, having invoked a regretted unfriendly
glare in response a couple of times.

Write it off as simple human nature and accept it as inevitable ...
right! I have great admiration for those who deal with this stuff
without ever having ruffled feathers. I know a few such souls and
look to them as my ideal.

It's a challenge not to lower oneself to the baseness of others. On a
good day I succeed.

- Harry

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

After all this time, it's my business but still your hobby. How's that
for rationalization?

Just be glad it is not being shipped to another country!