Private email to vpFae:
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Silverton's positive games, the bank by the Monopoly
machines, went back to $2 equals 1 point as of yesterday.
(Fwd) Silverton LV Update
It only makes sense to state comps as a net percentage. No one cares about the conversions process that the casinos use to confuse everyone. I don't care if a million dollars equals 4.68192223 points. Just tell me the comp percent of dollars wagered, please.
vpFae <vpFae@Cox.net> wrote: Private email to vpFae:
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Silverton's positive games, the bank by the Monopoly
machines, went back to $2 equals 1 point as of yesterday.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Jim, at many casinos there isn't a single, fixed comp percentage of
coin in. There are often three, and sometimes more; one rate for
Slots, one for "bad" Video Poker, and one for "good" Video Poker. It's
this last item that has become a major variable lately as several
places have been modifying the $ per point on "better" video poker.
Now toss in the effects of point multiplier days, and you have a nice
little Mulligan Stew. Especially where some point multipliers don't
count on some machines and others do (e.g. Tuscany, Palms, etc.)
That's why it helps to know the details 
It only makes sense to state comps as a net percentage. No one cares
about the conversions process that the casinos use to confuse everyone.
I don't care if a million dollars equals 4.68192223 points. Just tell
me the comp percent of dollars wagered, please.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jim Madeley <jm002546@...> wrote:
You missed my point entirely. I understand all that but the stat that was quoted
means absolutely nothing by itself. I just want to know the the positive % and negative % if different. JUST like they show on vpFREE in parenthesis.
Only part of the conversion was given.
Mac McClellan <mac_mcclellan@hotmail.com> wrote: Jim, at many casinos there isn't a single, fixed comp percentage of
coin in. There are often three, and sometimes more; one rate for
Slots, one for "bad" Video Poker, and one for "good" Video Poker. It's
this last item that has become a major variable lately as several
places have been modifying the $ per point on "better" video poker.
Now toss in the effects of point multiplier days, and you have a nice
little Mulligan Stew. Especially where some point multipliers don't
count on some machines and others do (e.g. Tuscany, Palms, etc.)
That's why it helps to know the details
>
> It only makes sense to state comps as a net percentage. No one cares
about the conversions process that the casinos use to confuse everyone.
I don't care if a million dollars equals 4.68192223 points. Just tell
me the comp percent of dollars wagered, please.
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jim Madeley <jm002546@...> wrote:
Silverton's positive games, the bank by the Monopoly
machines, went back to $2 equals 1 point as of yesterday.
On 27 Apr 2008 at 6:59, Jim Madeley replied:
It only makes sense to state comps as a net percentage. No one cares
about the conversions process that the casinos use to confuse
everyone. I don't care if a million dollars equals 4.68192223
points. Just tell me the comp percent of dollars wagered, please.
Private email reports are usually posted with very
little editing by me. I expand on the info, if necessary,
when I update the DataBase page. Anyone who
is interested should look there to find more details.
vpFae
vpFREE DataBase Coordinator
vpFae@Cox.net
Very well put, Mac.
Sometimes there is no efficient way to determine what a played
dollar/dollars buys in comps. This is particularly true in the Reno
area, where a "Don't Ask/Won't Tell" philosophy pervades many of the
card clubs.
In the absence of a more absolute method of cracking the mystery of
comp computation, I believe that posting any and all kernels of
information, no matter how incomplete they may be, is much more to
be desired than no knowledge at all. I most sincerely thank all the
list members who provide whatever enlightenment is available to them
in this regard!
~Babe~
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mac McClellan" <mac_mcclellan@...> wrote:
at many casinos there isn't a single, fixed comp percentage of coin
in. There are often three, and sometimes more; one rate for Slots,
one for "bad" Video Poker, and one for "good" Video Poker. It's
this last item that has become a major variable lately as several
places have been modifying the $ per point on "better" video poker.
Now toss in the effects of point multiplier days, and you have a
nice little Mulligan Stew. Especially where some point multipliers
don't count on some machines and others do (e.g. Tuscany, Palms,
etc.) That's why it helps to know the details
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jim Madeley <jm002546@> wrote:
It only makes sense to state comps as a net percentage. No one cares
about the conversions process that the casinos use to confuse
everyone. I don't care if a million dollars equals 4.68192223
points. Just tell me the comp percent of dollars wagered, please.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:
Very well put, Mac.
Sometimes there is no efficient way to determine what a played
dollar/dollars buys in comps. This is particularly true in the
Reno
area, where a "Don't Ask/Won't Tell" philosophy pervades many of
the
card clubs.
In the absence of a more absolute method of cracking the mystery of
comp computation, I believe that posting any and all kernels of
information, no matter how incomplete they may be, is much more to
be desired than no knowledge at all. I most sincerely thank all the
list members who provide whatever enlightenment is available to
them
in this regard!
~Babe~
Silver Legacy and El Dorado are pretty straight forward. You get .3%
comp at SL, and .5% comp at ED. Plus the mail.
As for the ED the mail I used to get for room offers always stated in
the small print that it would be charged to my comp account. Back
then the comp meter ran .625%. If I walked in off the street and
wanted a room they charged me $30 midweek, I can't remember the
weekend rate. They have kiosks where you can check your comp
balance. And you can eat in any one of their 9, I believe,
restaurants and just hand them your card.
I agree that the SL and ED comp system is nice and transparent. However,
comps at El Dorado for video poker come in at $5 comp for every $5000 coin
in. That's .1% isn't it? Slot players get a better comp rate plus they get
free play and cash bonuses, neither of which are available for video poker
players. I still like it there, but they aren't all that generous.
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:22 AM, mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ============================================
>
Silver Legacy and El Dorado are pretty straight forward. You get .3%
comp at SL, and .5% comp at ED. Plus the mail.As for the ED the mail I used to get for room offers always stated in
the small print that it would be charged to my comp account. Back
then the comp meter ran .625%. If I walked in off the street and
wanted a room they charged me $30 midweek, I can't remember the
weekend rate. They have kiosks where you can check your comp
balance. And you can eat in any one of their 9, I believe,
restaurants and just hand them your card.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I agree that the SL and ED comp system is nice and transparent.
However,
comps at El Dorado for video poker come in at $5 comp for every
$5000 coin
in. That's .1% isn't it? Slot players get a better comp rate plus
they get
free play and cash bonuses, neither of which are available for
video poker
players. I still like it there, but they aren't all that generous.
If they have slashed their comp rate that much it is news to me. But
I haven't been to Reno in quite awhile. It was NEWS to me when they
cut their comp rate from .625% to .5%. If they have slashed it all
the way to .1% I certainly wouldn't recommend the place to anyone.
The Database still lists the ED comp rate at 1 comp dollar per $200
coin in. Perhaps we can get some confirmation from others.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, gmblnmn <nktalbrch@...> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:22 AM, mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
I agree that the SL and ED comp system is nice and transparent.
However, comps at El Dorado for video poker come in at $5 comp for
every $5000 coin in. That's .1% isn't it?
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, gmblnmn <nktalbrch@> wrote:
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On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:22 AM, mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
If they have slashed their comp rate that much it is news to me. But
I haven't been to Reno in quite awhile.
I have never played at the ED, but their "sister" casino, the Silver
Legacy has cut their comp rate in the same way for VP players. They
make no bones about the fact that they don't like VP players, and will
not reward them commensurate with their coin-in. That's basically why
I have stopped staying there.
-Babe~
I am now being advised, by a couple of Reno locals, that the >100% VP
machines are the only ones that are affected by the drastically
reduced dollar/comp ratio.
To my knowledge, the only >100% VP left at the SL, are a few FPKBJW in
the .25c denom. only. So, I assume this is not much of a downgrade.
~Babe~
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-In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:
I have never played at the ED, but their "sister" casino, the Silver
Legacy has cut their comp rate in the same way for VP players. They
make no bones about the fact that they don't like VP players, and will
not reward them commensurate with their coin-in. That's basically why
I have stopped staying there.
I just got back from Reno, and stayed at Eldo and Silver.
Sad to say , but any game over 100% at ElDo, get points around $1/$1000 coin in.
Thats the winners rate, not sure if losers do better, but in the past Losers always got much better comps there.
Silver does now have a bank of 6 10/7 DB 1-100 coin 5C/10C machines that are not in the DB, but these get low comps at SL.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:48 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [vpFREE] EL DORADO ; Was Re: (Fwd) Silverton LV Update
I am now being advised, by a couple of Reno locals, that the >100% VP
machines are the only ones that are affected by the drastically
reduced dollar/comp ratio.To my knowledge, the only >100% VP left at the SL, are a few FPKBJW in
the .25c denom. only. So, I assume this is not much of a downgrade.~Babe~
-In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:
I have never played at the ED, but their "sister" casino, the Silver
Legacy has cut their comp rate in the same way for VP players. They
make no bones about the fact that they don't like VP players, and will
not reward them commensurate with their coin-in. That's basically why
I have stopped staying there.------------------------------------
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I just got back from Reno, and stayed at Eldo and Silver.
Sad to say , but any game over 100% at ElDo, get points around $1/
$1000 coin
in.
Thats the winners rate, not sure if losers do better, but in the past
Losers
always got much better comps there.
Are you speaking about 10/7 DB? I posted the ED comp rate question on
vpFREE/Reno and Jason Pawloski responded that he was playing the 9/6
Jacks progressive and he believes he "was getting closer to .5%
than .1%. Technically, 9/6 isn't over 100%.
I had a memory jog this evening about the El Dorado. It's some stuff I
had completely forgotten about. I don't have time to post it right
now. I have to run. Will get to it later. But someone is going to
have to time the games individually for comp rate, I think. I"ll
explain how to later. Good luck.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:
Yesterday I wrote: Sometimes there is no efficient way to determine
what a played dollar/dollars buys in comps. This is particularly
true in the Reno area, where a "Don't Ask/Won't Tell" philosophy
pervades many of the card clubs.
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:
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Mickey Crimm later posted what he believed were comp rates at the El
Dorado (.05%) and the Silver Legacy (.03%). He did mention that he
hadn't played at either place for some time.
Subsequently, other players posted that they had kept track of
accruing comps at the ED & SL, as they played. gmblnmn and tomflush
both stated that at the ED, they were receiving $5 in comps for each
$5000 c/i., or the rate of .01%.
At this point two local Reno friends wrote to me to explain the
comp rate for >100% VP was considerably less than for <100% VP.
Donald Wood countered this by stating that he was receiving $5
in comps for $1000 c/i, or the rate of .05%, while playing 10/7DB at
the ED.
The Reno properties that I was referring to in my OP, as
having "Don't Ask, Won't Tell" card clubs, were Peppermill and
Atlantis. I was told by some frequent and IMO very knowledgable
players at those establishmemts, that no one that they are
aware of, has cracked the comps to dollar ratio at those two
casinos. Apparently, with conflicting information from various
players, it isn't too much easier to figure out the rate at El
Dorado or Silver Legacy either. So, I guess that I'll stick with
the statement in my OP.
Because on each Reno visit, my accrued comps have always been
sufficient to cover my expenses in addition to generating nice
future offers and FP amounts, I have never delved into this subject
previously. However, now I am curious. I hope that some talented
player and math person (NOTI, are you listening?) will take up the
challenge and post some informed answers about ALL the major Reno
properties.
~Babe~
As a MATH person, your depiction of the comp rates shown with the % sign are off by a factor of 10.
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jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com> wrote: In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:
Yesterday I wrote: Sometimes there is no efficient way to determine
what a played dollar/dollars buys in comps. This is particularly
true in the Reno area, where a "Don't Ask/Won't Tell" philosophy
pervades many of the card clubs.
Mickey Crimm later posted what he believed were comp rates at the El
Dorado (.05%) and the Silver Legacy (.03%). He did mention that he
hadn't played at either place for some time.
Subsequently, other players posted that they had kept track of
accruing comps at the ED & SL, as they played. gmblnmn and tomflush
both stated that at the ED, they were receiving $5 in comps for each
$5000 c/i., or the rate of .01%.
At this point two local Reno friends wrote to me to explain the
comp rate for >100% VP was considerably less than for <100% VP.
Donald Wood countered this by stating that he was receiving $5
in comps for $1000 c/i, or the rate of .05%, while playing 10/7DB at
the ED.
The Reno properties that I was referring to in my OP, as
having "Don't Ask, Won't Tell" card clubs, were Peppermill and
Atlantis. I was told by some frequent and IMO very knowledgable
players at those establishmemts, that no one that they are
aware of, has cracked the comps to dollar ratio at those two
casinos. Apparently, with conflicting information from various
players, it isn't too much easier to figure out the rate at El
Dorado or Silver Legacy either. So, I guess that I'll stick with
the statement in my OP.
Because on each Reno visit, my accrued comps have always been
sufficient to cover my expenses in addition to generating nice
future offers and FP amounts, I have never delved into this subject
previously. However, now I am curious. I hope that some talented
player and math person (NOTI, are you listening?) will take up the
challenge and post some informed answers about ALL the major Reno
properties.
~Babe~
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Well, this topic is actually Jean Scott's (the Queen of Comps)
speciality. It really doesn't require much math at all, it's more of a
detective game, like finding the best price on a house or car or big
screen TV or gasoline. It's a good idea to keep track of comp, because
there are dog machines that are basically broken and return no comp
and then there are the gems that return more comp than they probably
should (Dancer wrote about this in "Million Dollar Video Poker").
Sometimes a particular "computer" is down and you never get comp
credit to your account for play over a certain period even though it
registed on your machine. Sometimes if you play too fast or too slow,
the computer is confused and dumps your comp in the trash bin instead
of your account, etc. Then you have casino mismanagement, mysterious
additions or subtractions from your comp total, if you catch these, a
casino with a regular card club will reverse them (from my experience)
because I think they have to according to gaming regulations. On the
other hand, "don't ask, won't tell" card clubs apparently reserve the
right to "adjust" your comp total at any time with no reason given.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...> wrote:
I hope that some talented
player and math person (NOTI, are you listening?) will take up the
challenge and post some informed answers about ALL the major Reno
properties.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@...>
wrote:
Yesterday I wrote: Sometimes there is no efficient way to
determine
what a played dollar/dollars buys in comps. This is particularly
true in the Reno area, where a "Don't Ask/Won't Tell" philosophy
pervades many of the card clubs.Mickey Crimm later posted what he believed were comp rates at the
El
Dorado (.05%) and the Silver Legacy (.03%). He did mention that he
hadn't played at either place for some time.Subsequently, other players posted that they had kept track of
accruing comps at the ED & SL, as they played. gmblnmn and tomflush
both stated that at the ED, they were receiving $5 in comps for
each
$5000 c/i., or the rate of .01%.
At this point two local Reno friends wrote to me to explain the
comp rate for >100% VP was considerably less than for <100% VP.Donald Wood countered this by stating that he was receiving $5
in comps for $1000 c/i, or the rate of .05%, while playing 10/7DB
at
the ED.
The Reno properties that I was referring to in my OP, as
having "Don't Ask, Won't Tell" card clubs, were Peppermill and
Atlantis. I was told by some frequent and IMO very knowledgable
players at those establishmemts, that no one that they are
aware of, has cracked the comps to dollar ratio at those two
casinos. Apparently, with conflicting information from various
players, it isn't too much easier to figure out the rate at El
Dorado or Silver Legacy either. So, I guess that I'll stick with
the statement in my OP.Because on each Reno visit, my accrued comps have always been
sufficient to cover my expenses in addition to generating nice
future offers and FP amounts, I have never delved into this subject
previously. However, now I am curious. I hope that some talented
player and math person (NOTI, are you listening?) will take up the
challenge and post some informed answers about ALL the major Reno
properties.~Babe~
Actually, Babe, the El Dorado should be easy to figure out. Though
I haven't been there for awhile I did play pretty heavily there for
awhile. Back then the comp rate for video poker was .625%.
Slots could be 1.25% or 2%. They did have banks that gave up 2%. I
know this because I played the bonus slots like Cherry Pies and so
forth. I'm sure they are all gone now.
I played the dollar 9/6 Jacks progressives. At one time all the
bartops of all their bars were dollar 9/6 prog., and all on the same
meter. They got alot of short coin action as well as full coin. This
was good for the AP's.
Then ED went for the technology update. They put brand new MG/MD
machines in all their bartops. The dollar 9/6 progs were still there
but buried up amongst all the other games and denoms. But they were
no longer on the same meter. All the bars had different meters.
There was like 7 or 8 different bars to check to see where the
progressives were at. Even at the High Roller Room, one side of the
of the bar had their own meter and the other side of the bar had a
different meter.
I also played dollar KBJW upstairs until it got squashed. And I
played the twenty-coin nickel 9/6 Jacks prog. and the quarter 9/6
Jacks prog. They even had 10/6 DDJ.
When they went for the technology update they also updated their slot
club system to self comp. The system was still Don't Ask/Won't Tell
but it was easy to figure out. They put kiosks around the casino
where you could check your comp balance at any time. They showed
dollars and cents.
So I would go up to a kiosk and write down what my comp balance was
(for example, $127.31) then go to a machine and countdown a wager.
It took me a few attempts to get the exact speed of the meter because
it traveled at .625%. I finally zeroed in on a $200 wager. That's
forty games at dollar 9/6. Then I would go check my comp balance.
It would be up $1.25. That told me it was a .625% meter.
In the case of the quarter games there was some kind of delayed
reaction going on. I would run the action then go to the kiosk but
the number hadn't budged. But the money would be there the next
day. I finally figured out that, when I got through playing, if I
pulled my card out for a few seconds, then stuck it back in and
played one more hand the money would then be pulled up on the kiosk.
I have no idea why it worked like that but it did.
They put in the twenty coin nickel 9/6 prog right where some bonus
games used to be and I knew that bank ran 2% comp. So I timed the
meter and sure enough the 9/6 was giving up 2% comp. Theres nothing
like running $25 an hour comp on a game where you are only betting $1
per hand. It was fun while it lasted.
So what someone is going to have to do is the same thing I did. Go
in and write down what they have in the kiosk, then go run some
action, like $100, then go check their balance again. If it's up
only 10 cents it a .1% meter, if it's up 50 cents it's a .5% meter.
And I would check all the different games just to make sure. Good
luck.
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@> wrote:
The technique for figuring out the El Dorado comp system should also
work at the Silver Legacy.
Well, NOTI, you have certainly given me something to mull over tonight.
I appreciate your advice, though I'm sort of regretful that I will now
have something else to be concerned about while enjoying my favorite
pastime. One: Am I actually getting all the comps that I've earned in
this session? Two: What should do if I'm not?
Thanks anyway! {{O:
~Babe~
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
It really doesn't require much math at all, it's more of a detective
game, like finding the best price on a house or car or big screen TV
or gasoline. It's a good idea to keep track of comp, because there are
dog machines that are basically broken and return no comp and then
there are the gems that return more comp than they probably
should.......
Thanks, Mickey, for an easy and practical way to determine comp
accrual percentage in Reno. I appreciate your detailed
instructions. I might even try it (if I remember ((O:) on my next
Reno trip.
The best of luck to you also!
~Babe~
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
Actually, Babe, the El Dorado should be easy to figure out. Though
I haven't been there for awhile I did play pretty heavily there for
awhile. Back then the comp rate for video poker was .625%......
SNIP
........So I would go up to a kiosk and write down what my comp
balance was for example, $127.31) then go to a machine and countdown
a wager. It took me a few attempts to get the exact speed of the
meter because it traveled at .625%. I finally zeroed in on a $200
wager. That's forty games at dollar 9/6. Then I would go check my
comp balance. It would be up $1.25. That told me it was a .625%
meter......................