Exactly! I have not clocked the meters yet. If someone does, please let us
know. Note that since that total ER changes when each is hit, you must have
the discipline to quit when the game is not positive. This morning the
total meters added almost 1.4% making this game positive. Harrah's Joliet
made a mistake several years ago with a similar game in Joliet. The meters
were at 0.5% each playing the Bally Gamemaker version of 9-6-5 DB
(aces=200, SF=80) Reset ER =99.046%. I remember a 2 hr period where this
game was almost 107% but I hit no progressives during that period but 4
regular quads let me net a $30 win. It took Harrah's about two months to
wake up and change the feeds to 0.1% each.
[Original Message]
From: Chandler <omnibibulous1@comcast.net>
To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/4/2005 8:18:16 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: (Fwd) Resorts East Chicago InventoryI don't think he's talking about meter rate. I think what Howard has done
is created a way to determine ER including the quad royals, by
determining a
···
value at which each quad meter increases total ER.
Chandler
-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vpFREE_Chic…@…com]On Behalf Of vp_nbi
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:02 PM
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: (Fwd) Resorts East Chicago InventoryThanks. Just out of curiosity how did you know the quads were metered
at .1% ? Did someone actually determine this or is .1% some sort of
standard for progressives featuring metered quads? It would be nice if
this info was on vpFree somewhere. I wonder how often the quad
jackpots rise to a level where they have a significant impact on the
game's overall return.— In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e…> wrote:
> Playing standard strategy for 9-6 DDB twos, threes or fours no low hit
> every 2601 hands so every $13.01 on that meter is 0.1%.
> twos, threes or fours with low every 6983 hands so every $34.92 on that
> meter is 0.1%
> four aces no low every 5761 hands so $28.81 is 0.1%
> four aces with low every 16,235 hands so $81.18 is 0.1%
> The two strategy changes likely to lower this occur when the royal
is over
> about $5,500 in that AT suited is better than A and AKQs, AKJs and AQJs,
> are better than AA. The 3RFs that include a ten need to be slightly
higher
> to make this change. I might check this play out tomorrow but I have
$55 in
> coupons for MS and Trump. (The last rating period was awful for me
at MS.)
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: vp_nbi <nbi@w…>
> > To: <vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 6/4/2005 11:06:09 AM
> > Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: (Fwd) Resorts East Chicago Inventory
> >
> > — In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c…>
> > wrote:
> > > Remember the prog is DDB. It is upstairs along one wall of the
> > table games
> > > area. I recently talked to a EC regular who says they have been 9/6
> > for a
> > > while , but I remember them as 9/5. My memory often fools me,
but it is
> > > definitely 9/6 now.
> >
> > Thanks. I'll definitely check this out. Does anyone know what the
> > impact of metered quads is on the game's return? Running some paytable
> > calculations with frugal I discovered that the game becomes JOB like
> > in return at around 5100 coins (99.57 to be precise). That's
> > discounting any quad pays above baseline so it seems the game could be
> > playable below 5100 coins. As I'm unfamiliar with metered quads I have
> > no frame of reference for even attempting a guess as to their impact.
> > They could be metered in many different ways, unequal rates, partially
> > pegged to the jackpot, etc. Another question would be how often the
> > jackpot actually rises to 5100 coins. I know the Don & Mikes $1 bartop
> > rarely gets that high although it was $4900 the other day.
> >
> > >
> > > Chandler
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:vpFREE_Chic…@…com]On Behalf Of vp_nbi
> > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 3:08 PM
> > > To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: (Fwd) Resorts East Chicago Inventory
> > >
> > >
> > > — In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C…> wrote:
> > > > Private email to vpFREE Administrator:
> > > >
> > > > ------- Forwarded message follows -------
> > > >
> > > > There have been some changes for the better. You now cannot
throw a
> > > > rock without hitting some FPJB. Single play quarter and dollar
> > > > machines upstairs near the table games and in the lower level
vp area.
> > > > There is also $JB in the bartops at the flair bar. Most of the
> > > > multigames that have the JB also contain 9/7 DB, 8/5 BP and
9/6 DDB.
> > > > So there is an awful lot of 99% and above inventory. I did
not spot
> > > > any new NSUD.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, multiplay and $5 inventory is still bad.
> > > >
> > > > The bank of uprights that contained the JB, NSUD and TB+ remain.
> > > >
> > > > The $ DDB prog with meters on royal and all the quads, previously
> > short
> > > > pay, is now 9/6.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your report. Where is the $1 progressive located? On my
> > > last visit I must have spaced out and walked right past it as I was
> > > intently looking for some positive Spin-Poker.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I was not familiar with some of the more exotic paytable.
I'll take
> > > > notes next visit. There may be something else playable there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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