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Dancer strikes again!

#1

So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.

What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.

#2

I'm guessing the back to back "FPDW demise" articles are directly tied to consulting efforts where he's advising casinos to do just that. Will make for a nice "I told you so" follow-up article next year as well.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@...> wrote:

So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.

What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.

#3

I'd love to see what Bob's balance at Karmic Bank & Trust looks like. My guess is that he's seriously overdrawn.

There's just something inherently wrong, or dysfunctional, about a person who makes millions playing video poker and then his life goal becomes to prevent others from doing the same.

But, the sad truth is, that if it wouldn't be he and Jean, it'd be somebody else.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vetsen" <vetsen@...> wrote:

I'm guessing the back to back "FPDW demise" articles are directly tied to consulting efforts where he's advising casinos to do just that. Will make for a nice "I told you so" follow-up article next year as well.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@> wrote:
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> So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.
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> What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.
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#4

Bob dancer VP products outsells you BIGTME!! Get over it!!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

I'd love to see what Bob's balance at Karmic Bank & Trust looks like. My guess is that he's seriously overdrawn.

There's just something inherently wrong, or dysfunctional, about a person who makes millions playing video poker and then his life goal becomes to prevent others from doing the same.

But, the sad truth is, that if it wouldn't be he and Jean, it'd be somebody else.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vetsen" <vetsen@> wrote:
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> I'm guessing the back to back "FPDW demise" articles are directly tied to consulting efforts where he's advising casinos to do just that. Will make for a nice "I told you so" follow-up article next year as well.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@> wrote:
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> >
> > So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.
> >
> > What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.
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#5

Dancer has been doing this - outing ap's - for more than 6 years. Here's one case. I know the op - the story is accurate and true.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/68804

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@...> wrote:

So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.

What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.

#6

Dancer and partner Jeffrey Compton write a weekly column for the Las Vegas Review-Journal detailing casino promotions.
Nowhere is it stated that the 2 authors of the column also own a casino consulting business. It is extremely likely that there are conflicts of interest every week in that column.
If there is only so much space, and the choice is to include a plug for a promo at a Dancer-Compton client, or a non-Dancer-Compton client - I wonder who will get the plug?

Readers may wish to voice their feelings about this to the R-J, in Letters to the Editor or otherwise.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jw776655" <jw776655@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@> wrote:
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> So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.
>
> What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.
>

Dancer has been doing this - outing ap's - for more than 6 years. Here's one case. I know the op - the story is accurate and true.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/68804

#7

ROFLMAO!!! Tony Clifton? ROFLMAO...keep that up, I'll be laughing so hard I won't be able to post.

I'm speculating here, but if Bob's products sold better, he wouldn't have to work the other side of the street. Then again, I think I could do the consulting gig better than he could on his best day-without having to out players or restrict anyone.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tony c" <tonyclifton1964@...> wrote:

Bob dancer VP products outsells you BIGTME!! Get over it!!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@> wrote:
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> I'd love to see what Bob's balance at Karmic Bank & Trust looks like. My guess is that he's seriously overdrawn.
>
> There's just something inherently wrong, or dysfunctional, about a person who makes millions playing video poker and then his life goal becomes to prevent others from doing the same.
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> But, the sad truth is, that if it wouldn't be he and Jean, it'd be somebody else.
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> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vetsen" <vetsen@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm guessing the back to back "FPDW demise" articles are directly tied to consulting efforts where he's advising casinos to do just that. Will make for a nice "I told you so" follow-up article next year as well.
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@> wrote:
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> > >
> > > So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.
> > >
> > > What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.
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>

#8

I don't beleive you.

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--- On Wed, 11/11/09, mguthrie56 <guthrie56@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: mguthrie56 <guthrie56@hotmail.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Dancer strikes again!
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:38 PM

So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.

What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.

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#9

Well, why doesn't Bob just post here and clear things up.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, NC Wanderer <larbo929@...> wrote:

I don't beleive you.

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, mguthrie56 <guthrie56@...> wrote:

From: mguthrie56 <guthrie56@...>
Subject: [vpFREE] Dancer strikes again!
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:38 PM

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So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.

What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.

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#10

But, the sad truth is, that if it wouldn't be he and Jean, it'd be somebody else.

i wouldn't associate the two...to my knowledge jean has never recommended downgrades to casino management...

#11

This sounds like a class action case against Mr. Dance and the casinos, at least a letter to the Gaming Commission by someone who has been outted.
B.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: jw776655
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:24 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Dancer strikes again!

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@...> wrote:

  Dancer has been doing this - outing ap's - for more than 6 years. Here's one case. I know the op - the story is accurate and true.
  h
  ttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/68804

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#12

<<to my knowledge jean has never recommended downgrades to casino management...>>

To verify - that is a true statement. I also have never "outed" any other skilled player. That would be a severe violation of the Golden Rule - "do unto others....."

I have spoken in many seminars for casino executives and floor employees, but my subject material has not been about nuts-and-bolts items like machine inventory - but about how they can make customers happier, i.e., by making their promotions more player-friendly, by making their comp policies more transparent, etc.

Also I try not to "out" any "extra good" VP plays, especially if there is a limited number of machines. I'm big on not giving people "fish," but "teaching them how to fish." I am especially careful not to reveal any information given to me in confidence.

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#13

On what grounds? Unfortunately Nevada casinos can bar anyone they choose for no good reason.

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--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Bonnie Strong <mothra4@cox.net> wrote:

From: Bonnie Strong <mothra4@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Dancer strikes again!
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 12:14 PM

This sounds like a class action case against Mr. Dance and the casinos, at least a letter to the Gaming Commission by someone who has been outted.
B.
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:24 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Dancer strikes again!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@. ..> wrote:

Dancer has been doing this - outing ap's - for more than 6 years. Here's one case. I know the op - the story is accurate and true.
h
ttp://groups. yahoo.com/ group/vpFREE/ message/68804

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#14

Jean "outs" people too?

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--- On Wed, 11/11/09, tony c <tonyclifton1964@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: tony c <tonyclifton1964@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Dancer strikes again!
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:38 PM

Bob dancer VP products outsells you BIGTME!! Get over it!!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "WP SF" <paladingamingllc@ ...> wrote:

I'd love to see what Bob's balance at Karmic Bank & Trust looks like. My guess is that he's seriously overdrawn.

There's just something inherently wrong, or dysfunctional, about a person who makes millions playing video poker and then his life goal becomes to prevent others from doing the same.

But, the sad truth is, that if it wouldn't be he and Jean, it'd be somebody else.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "vetsen" <vetsen@> wrote:
>
> I'm guessing the back to back "FPDW demise" articles are directly tied to consulting efforts where he's advising casinos to do just that. Will make for a nice "I told you so" follow-up article next year as well.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "mguthrie56" <guthrie56@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So a woman friend of mine didn't get the mailer she played for at Eastside Cannery, when she went to the player's club to ask why she was told "Bob Dancer says you're a pro" In fact she isn't a pro, has a full time job and only plays at the Eastside Cannery because it is near her home. So Dancer's consulting at the two Cannery properties has turned into pointing out "professional players" and getting their mailers cut. So if your mailer has been cut, now you know why.
> >
> > What will happen to all the people who take his classes to learn how to play better? Will he just eventually point them out as well? Has Dancer finally gone too far? Doesn't he make enough money playing that he doesn't have to resort to "outing" players? We should all return the favor when we see Bob "Judas" Dancer playing.
> >
>

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#15

I don't think Jean has ever outed anybody. Dancer is the one I have a big problem with. I know the Hard Rock got fed up with him over an AMEX card promo. He carried his complaint all the way to the casino ops vp. After the conversation they backed him off.

James Thompson'
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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:49:45 -0800
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Dancer strikes again!

      Jean "outs" people too?

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#16

<<to my knowledge jean has never recommended downgrades to casino
management...>>

To verify - that is a true statement. I also have never "outed" any other
skilled player. That would be a severe violation of the Golden Rule - "do
unto others....."

I have spoken in many seminars for casino executives and floor employees,
but my subject material has not been about nuts-and-bolts items like machine
inventory - but about how they can make customers happier, i.e., by making
their promotions more player-friendly, by making their comp policies more
transparent, etc.

Also I try not to "out" any "extra good" VP plays, especially if there is a
limited number of machines. I'm big on not giving people "fish," but
"teaching them how to fish." I am especially careful not to reveal any
information given to me in confidence.
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

Sorry Jean. I wish I could go 100% all along with your message but, the last paragraph you have does not match what I just replayed/reviewed from the Jean Scott Video included in the Frugal Video Poker game --- where you were showing the 9-6 vs 10-6 Double Double Bonus games at the Palms.

Maybe that part could have been taken out of the CD!? :<
I wonder how many casino executives/managers have seen it and got educated in knowing which one is below or over 100% return.

To me (in my opinion), this is not as bad as that TV program "How To Beat The Casinos?" (you were in that video too) where Bob Dancer showed this 'picking the right vp machines' to the public and maybe putting a lot of smiles to the casino management as it made things easier for them to spot which machines to downgrade.

Unfortunately for many of us 'non-pro'/'non-advantage' players, these very talented casino executives do most of these downgrades in the lower denominations (1-cent to 25-cent) and leave many $5 and higher machines alone waiting for the pros/best players to kill them one more time....so they can have another meeting and choose another 5-cent or 25-cent machine to downgrade. (just check out Harrahs Rincon's vp inventory, for example, if you'd to see downgrades)

So is there anything that can be done to hopefully see the casinos start upgrading the vp machines?
How about publishing more articles/books which explains how bad the existing 8-5 BP or 9-6 DDB machines are to play for 90% plus players due to not being able to do that "Perfect Play"? Why downgrade these machines to 6-5 BP or 8-5 DDB?

How about a guess appearance of a Bob Dancer or Jean Scott at the Oprah's show to explaing to the public (or casinos) that having these 2nd best vp machines (like 9-6 DDB) is not going to hurt the casinos since the Return is only 98.98% WITH PERFECT PLAY? In short, discussions about "how many players are capable of doing the Perfect Play and how many cannot" may help stop the downgrades.

Gil

#17

<<Sorry Jean. I wish I could go 100% all along with your message but, the last paragraph you have does not match what I just replayed/reviewed from the Jean Scott Video included in the Frugal Video Poker game --- where you were showing the 9-6 vs 10-6 Double Double Bonus games at the Palms. I wonder how many casino executives/managers have seen it and got educated in knowing which one is below or over 100% return.>>

Sorry, Gilbert, but generally casino executives are more knowledgeable about VP these days than they used to be. There is tons of information available to them, including from the machine manufacturers. I wish I were that "powerful," but I am just a small dot on the VP landscape really.

<<So is there anything that can be done to hopefully see the casinos start upgrading the vp machines?
How about publishing more articles/books which explains how bad the existing 8-5 BP or 9-6 DDB machines are to play for 90% plus players due to not being able to do that "Perfect Play"? Why downgrade these machines to 6-5 BP or 8-5 DDB?>>

Actually I HAVE talked to casino executives about this very thing. And I have emphasized that most gamblers do not want to study enough to become a "threat" to the casino's bottom line.

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#18

Everyone is complaining about the lack of ethics exhibited by these two. How about the alleged criminal activities promoted in their columns? Both writers had large hits while allegedly committing fraud.

Bob wrote about assuming his wife's identity when hitting the Jumbo Jackpot. Jean also bragged about her identity fraud and organized crime ring. Four players assumed one identity to qualify and win Caesar's $500,000 slot tourney. Why aren't these sleazeballs in jail?

It is unfortunate that casino executives bring us down to the low standards exhibited by these self proclaimed experts.

#19

<<Bob wrote about assuming his wife's identity when hitting the Jumbo Jackpot. Jean also bragged about her identity fraud and organized crime ring. Four players assumed one identity to qualify and win Caesar's $500,000 slot tourney. Why aren't these sleazeballs in jail? >>

Slight correction here - we signed up as authorized partners - this was a "legal" option on the tournament registration card. Brad was the "primary" player in the tournament, however - this was spelled out in the rules - he paid the $10000 entry fee - and that is why he collected the whole $500,000 - the rules stated that only the "primary" registrant would be paid. The "deal" we had with the other couple was a private one - like many do in poker tournaments - and we gave them 1/2. I don't think that is "illegal."

I hope not - I'm too old to go to jail!!!!

As far as spouses playing on each other's card - this has always been a gray area. It is usually not a problem in most casinos, but one must be careful in promotions and tournament situations.

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#20

gee...that is a little harsh...though the absolute best thing you can say about dancer is that he may be incompetent...hopefully he will just retire and we won't hear from him again...jean is basically an educator and i have nothing against that...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "skiallsix" <emailscot@...> wrote:

Everyone is complaining about the lack of ethics exhibited by these two. How about the alleged criminal activities promoted in their columns? Both writers had large hits while allegedly committing fraud.

Bob wrote about assuming his wife's identity when hitting the Jumbo Jackpot. Jean also bragged about her identity fraud and organized crime ring. Four players assumed one identity to qualify and win Caesar's $500,000 slot tourney. Why aren't these sleazeballs in jail?

It is unfortunate that casino executives bring us down to the low standards exhibited by these self proclaimed experts.