The Coast Connection insert is in today's LVRJ.
There are five 10x point coupons on slots or video poker at the Suncoast. One coupon for each Wednesday in March.
Also one 5x point coupon and one $10 match play for the Orleans.
Otherwise there are some 2 for 1 food coupons, drawing entries and one 2 for 1 show ticket to see the Marshall Tucker Band at the Orleans.
The Coast Connection insert is in today's LVRJ.
There are five 10x point coupons on slots or video poker at the Suncoast. One coupon for each Wednesday in March.
A word (or two) of caution
Coupon states it is valid between 12:01am-11:59PM, but must be presented to B Connected Club prior to playing to earn the multiplier. Club doesn't open until 7am
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Use may lead to being trespassed.
Suncoast managers are morons. 10X points on 10/10/10 and they decide,
two hours in they decide they need to bar/ask people to leave.
So what do they do? 10X coupons. Five of them. And when people
play, they get thrown out. Not me, I'm not allowed to play there
anymore. But more than one person that I heard about.
Entice people to come play, and when they do treat them like
criminals. Did I mention Suncoast managers are morons?
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:50 AM, ms. vpFREE3 <ms_vpfree_3@yahoo.com> wrote:
The Coast Connection insert is in today's LVRJ.
There are five 10x point coupons on slots or video poker at the Suncoast. One coupon for each Wednesday in March.
Use of 10x coupon will likely get you 86ed from Suncoast. They 86ed 3 people I know of Wednesday.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, King Fish <vpkingfish@...> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:50 AM, ms. vpFREE3 <ms_vpfree_3@...> wrote:
> The Coast Connection insert is in today's LVRJ.
>
> There are five 10x point coupons on slots or video poker at the Suncoast. One coupon for each Wednesday in March.Use may lead to being trespassed.
Suncoast managers are morons. 10X points on 10/10/10 and they decide,
two hours in they decide they need to bar/ask people to leave.So what do they do? 10X coupons. Five of them. And when people
play, they get thrown out. Not me, I'm not allowed to play there
anymore. But more than one person that I heard about.Entice people to come play, and when they do treat them like
criminals. Did I mention Suncoast managers are morons?
Use of 10x coupon will likely get you 86ed from Suncoast. They 86ed 3 people I know of Wednesday.
-----Original Message----- From: ThomasS
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Coast Connection Today
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There is certainly nothing wrong with making a stand when they try to pull this crazy crap, if you do it the smart way. The NGCB was put into place to not only protect the casinos from some of their patrons, but also to protect the patrons from some of the casinos. If anyone feels that they may encounter a situation that you believe could be in violation of one of the gaming statutes, put the phone number of the Nevada Gaming Control Board--Enforcement Division into your cell phone. Their local number is 486-2020, and their offices are on E Washington, just east of LV Blvd.. If suits approach you and start the trespass act spiel, whip out the cell phone and tell the suit who is spewing this speech that you are calling to request an NGCB agent to meet you at the casino, possibly at the players club. If the suit prefers another location within the casino, give the agent on the phone the proper information, and they should be there within a half hour or 45 minutes. When you call to settle any dispute, the NGCB is required by law to dispatch an agent to your location.
Nudge
I think what is far more important than trying to battle with the suits and the casinos on something like this, is trying to understand what they are thinking. What is motivating them? How do they justify this in their mind? What are they trying to accomplish. This whole story about Suncoast seems bizarre to me. What part of the picture am I missing? I think it's far more important to learn what really happened, so we can all try to avoid this in the future. Advantage players need to go along to get along. If we treat it as a war, we're going to lose.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nudge51" <nudge51@...> wrote:
There is certainly nothing wrong with making a stand when they try to pull
this crazy crap, if you do it the smart way. The NGCB was put into place to
not only protect the casinos from some of their patrons, but also to protect
the patrons from some of the casinos. If anyone feels that they may
encounter a situation that you believe could be in violation of one of the
gaming statutes, put the phone number of the Nevada Gaming Control
Board--Enforcement Division into your cell phone. Their local number is
486-2020, and their offices are on E Washington, just east of LV Blvd.. If
suits approach you and start the trespass act spiel, whip out the cell phone
and tell the suit who is spewing this speech that you are calling to
request an NGCB agent to meet you at the casino, possibly at the players
club. If the suit prefers another location within the casino, give the
agent on the phone the proper information, and they should be there within a
half hour or 45 minutes. When you call to settle any dispute, the NGCB is
required by law to dispatch an agent to your location.
Nudge
To use the SunCoast as an example, they say "Let's have a 10X points
promotion to celebrate our 10 year anniversary on 10/10/10!" The
other managers say "Genius!" and there's lots of back slapping.
When the 10X points starts, the normally quiet bartop machines are
suddenly getting played at the $5 level. There are more W-2Gs than
usual (straining the floor staff) including some larger ones.
To you and me, this is no surprise. You offer $5 single line at 99.6
with 1% cashback, you're going to get APs playing it.
To the SunCoast management, this comes as a surprise and within a
couple hours, they're telling people to leave.
Now you might think the SunCoast managers are morons for not being
able to predict this. And I would agree with you. If you can't see
this coming, you're a moron who doesn't belong in casino management.
But what do these rocket scientists do? Put FIVE 10X coupons in the
coast connection.
And apparently, they're just as surprised by what happens as they were
the last time. So they go up to people playing the machines, tap them
on the shoulder and have security guards read them the trespass act
and escort them off the property.
HEY MORONS! IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING TO PLAY WITH 10X POINTS,
STOP INVITING THEM WITH COUPONS, ADS, STREET-SIDE SIGNS AND MAILERS.
Stupid fucktards. How do you still have a job?
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 11:37 AM, bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think what is far more important than trying to battle with the suits and the
casinos on something like this, is trying to understand what they are thinking.
Oh so THAT'S what happened. Thanks for clearing that up. I couldn't help but laugh at the way you told that story, it was funny.
I guess I missed the scoop about 10/10/10. You're right, that's pretty clueless.
This reminds me of the Jerry's Nugget fiasco. Sounds like it was really handled poorly.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, King Fish <vpkingfish@...> wrote:
To use the SunCoast as an example, they say "Let's have a 10X points
promotion to celebrate our 10 year anniversary on 10/10/10!" The
other managers say "Genius!" and there's lots of back slapping.When the 10X points starts, the normally quiet bartop machines are
suddenly getting played at the $5 level. There are more W-2Gs than
usual (straining the floor staff) including some larger ones.To you and me, this is no surprise. You offer $5 single line at 99.6
with 1% cashback, you're going to get APs playing it.To the SunCoast management, this comes as a surprise and within a
couple hours, they're telling people to leave.Now you might think the SunCoast managers are morons for not being
able to predict this. And I would agree with you. If you can't see
this coming, you're a moron who doesn't belong in casino management.But what do these rocket scientists do? Put FIVE 10X coupons in the
coast connection.And apparently, they're just as surprised by what happens as they were
the last time. So they go up to people playing the machines, tap them
on the shoulder and have security guards read them the trespass act
and escort them off the property.HEY MORONS! IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING TO PLAY WITH 10X POINTS,
STOP INVITING THEM WITH COUPONS, ADS, STREET-SIDE SIGNS AND MAILERS.Stupid fucktards. How do you still have a job?
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----- King Fish <vpkingfish@gmail.com> wrote:
And apparently, they're just as surprised by what happens as they were
the last time. So they go up to people playing the machines, tap them
on the shoulder and have security guards read them the trespass act
and escort them off the property.
HEY MORONS! IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING TO PLAY WITH 10X POINTS,
STOP INVITING THEM WITH COUPONS, ADS, STREET-SIDE SIGNS AND MAILERS.
Stupid fucktards. How do you still have a job?They may know their business better than you do. What if, excluding the factor of 86ing anyone, the optimal policy for the Suncoast is to occasionally offer 10x point coupons? The advantage play will cost them, but the "good" business it brings in more than compensates for it. And what if, in addition to that policy, 86ing advantage players makes it even more profitable? How do you know that's not true? They might not have been surprised.
(I hope this is formatted better than the last one I just sent)
And apparently, they're just as surprised by what happens as they were
the last time. So they go up to people playing the machines, tap them
on the shoulder and have security guards read them the trespass act
and escort them off the property.
HEY MORONS! IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE COMING TO PLAY WITH 10X POINTS,
STOP INVITING THEM WITH COUPONS, ADS, STREET-SIDE SIGNS AND MAILERS.
Stupid fucktards. How do you still have a job?
They may know their business better than you do. What if, excluding the
factor of 86ing anyone, the optimal policy for the Suncoast is to
occasionally offer 10x point coupons? The advantage play will cost
them, but the "good" business it brings in more than compensates for it.
And what if, in addition to that policy, 86ing advantage players makes
it even more profitable? How do you know that's not true? They might
not have been surprised.
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----- King Fish <vpkingfish@gmail.com> wrote:
They may know their business better than you do. What if, excluding the factor of 86ing anyone, the optimal policy for the Suncoast is to occasionally offer 10x point coupons? The advantage play will cost them, but the "good" business it brings in more than compensates for it. And what if, in addition to that policy, 86ing advantage players makes it even more profitable? How do you know that's not true? They might not have been surprised.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@...> wrote:
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So how is the AP to handle situations like this in the future? I'm only a quarter to dollar player and doubt if I'll ever be a $5 player. But I'm wondering, for the sake of the big players, what should they do? Should they refrain from playing something that looks "too good"? Or stand back while someone else tests the water first?
Hanlon's razor.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com> wrote:
How do you know that's not true?
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----- King Fish <vpkingfish@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tom Robertson <007@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> How do you know that's not true?
Hanlon's razor.
Is that Occam's older brother?
players, but waiting to see how they treat other players sounds
reasonable. Of course, I've known people who refuse to play at a place
at which they might get 86ed, which trades in a possibility of getting
86ed and gets a sure thing of, in effect, 86ing themselves. It's not
that traumatic. The days that "Casino" depicts are long gone.
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----- bobbartop <bobbartop@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@...> wrote:
>
They may know their business better than you do. What if, excluding the factor of 86ing anyone, the optimal policy for the Suncoast is to occasionally offer 10x point coupons? The advantage play will cost them, but the "good" business it brings in more than compensates for it. And what if, in addition to that policy, 86ing advantage players makes it even more profitable? How do you know that's not true? They might not have been surprised.
So how is the AP to handle situations like this in the future? I'm only a quarter to dollar player and doubt if I'll ever be a $5 player. But I'm wondering, for the sake of the big players, what should they do? Should they refrain from playing something that looks "too good"? Or stand back while someone else tests the water first?
I don't know what you mean by doing anything for the sake of the big
Anthony Curtis wrote about this issue in the March 2003 issue of "Strictly Slots" -- I bought the magazine solely for that article. AC stated back in 2003 regarding Greektown: "The dynamics of video poker advantage play are changing. ... If you go in and pound a situation, you better be prepared to be pounded back."
IMO, the real "stupid fucktards" are the APs who never got AC's message. From the casino's perspective, the 10X coupons are being used to promote business and reward their "good customers" and that is the CASINO'S right. When a bunch of undesirables show up and try to ruin the casino's goodwill, then these "undesirables" shouldn't get upset when they get 86ed. Remember the saying: You reap what you sow.
It's always the bad apples that ruin it for everyone else and it's these bad apples that don't want to take responsibility for their actions.
And before anyone hires a lawyer, get a copy of the rules to the slot club because that is a contract. Your use of the slot card is acceptable of said contract. I am not a lawyer but contract law is not quantum physics and every slot club contract that I read says something to the effect "management reserves all rights." The courts will tell APs, if you don't like the terms of the contract, then don't enter into said contract. If you hate being 86'ed in front of strangers, then don't go to that casino. Remember, everytime an AP walks inside a casino to make money, there's a chance the casino will respond.
So what should APs be doing? Use discretion, use camoflauge, play slots, come across like a good customer, etc., etc. Listen to AC's sage advise (from 8 years ago) and stop blaming casinos for acting in their own best interest. It's absolutely shocking to "stupid fucktards" that casinos would act in their own best interest (sarcasm intended!).
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, King Fish <vpkingfish@...> wrote:
To the SunCoast management, this comes as a surprise and within a
couple hours, they're telling people to leave.Now you might think the SunCoast managers are morons for not being
able to predict this. And I would agree with you. If you can't see
this coming, you're a moron who doesn't belong in casino management.Stupid fucktards. How do you still have a job?
My opinion is that if you see an advantage burn it while it lasts cause it won't last long.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Tom Robertson <007@> wrote:
>
They may know their business better than you do. What if, excluding the factor of 86ing anyone, the optimal policy for the Suncoast is to occasionally offer 10x point coupons? The advantage play will cost them, but the "good" business it brings in more than compensates for it. And what if, in addition to that policy, 86ing advantage players makes it even more profitable? How do you know that's not true? They might not have been surprised.
>
---------------------So how is the AP to handle situations like this in the future? I'm only a quarter to dollar player and doubt if I'll ever be a $5 player. But I'm wondering, for the sake of the big players, what should they do? Should they refrain from playing something that looks "too good"? Or stand back while someone else tests the water first?
You did an excellent job of misunderstanding or misconstruing what I was saying.
Tuscany does a double jackpot promotion, is surprised by the action
and calls it off after less than two hours.
Ellis Island does a double royal promotion, is surprised by the action
and starts barring people after less than two hours.
Suncoast does 10X points, is surprised by the action and starts
barring people after less than two hours.
Now, if I were in charge of a casino I would certainly want to keep
APs from thinking it was worth it to play there. I might even 'bar'
some, but I would do it politely. Like the Silverton, who sent me a
nice polite letter saying I was no longer eligible for mailer,
multipliers, promos, drawings etc.
But that's not what we're talking about. If I'm in charge of a casino
and one of my managers creates a situation where their solution is to
cut a promo short or bar (or trespass!) people for nor more than
showing up to whey when they were invited to do so, then I would fire
that imbecile because he doesn't understand gambling and he's too
stupid to continue to work for me.
Controlling APs' ability to make money from you is understandable.
Reacting to these situations by barring and trespassing people is
ham-handed and reactionary.
But it's the part where they're surprised by what happens that makes
them idiots. Gambling is their core business, and they show by their
actions (both the ones related here and others that were not) that
they don't know as much about it as they should. That, and the way
they handle their mistakes, is why I consider them stupid fucktards.
If I ran the casino, it would be in the casino's best interest not to
have these reactionary mouth breathers working there.
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, chungsterama <chungsty@yahoo.com> wrote:
... stop blaming casinos for acting in their own best interest. It's absolutely shocking to "stupid
fucktards" that casinos would act in their own best interest (sarcasm intended!).
Sorry, I meant Jerry's Nugget. No idea where EI came from.
On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:48 PM, King Fish <vpkingfish@gmail.com> wrote:
Ellis Island does a double royal promotion, is surprised by the action
and starts barring people after less than two hours.
<<And before anyone hires a lawyer, get a copy of the rules to the slot club
because that is a contract. Your use of the slot card is acceptable of said
contract. I am not a lawyer but contract law is not quantum physics and
every slot club contract that I read says something to the effect
"management reserves all rights." The courts will tell APs, if you don't
like the terms of the contract, then don't enter into said contract>>
Contract law is a bit more complicated than that. "Management reserves all
rights" doesn't mean anything. And casinos are beholden to gaming
regulations in addition to contract law.
Cogno
King Fish, do us a favor and read the memo.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, King Fish <vpkingfish@...> wrote:
You did an excellent job of misunderstanding or misconstruing what I was saying.