I feel I have to comment, knowing that Bob monitors this list and will probably respond privately. I do not intend to really attack him, I have no idea of his motives but there are certain ethical issues which I consider over the line while many others do not.
When I have consulted for a casino or worked for a vendor I will not play either at that casino or at any customers of the vendor I worked for (slight exception, I did some consulting for Bally Technologies last year. They said it was their policy to allow everyone to play at their customers. I did not play at customers who had their slot tracking systems but since I had no interaction with the slot side I did not care if they owned Bally slots.)
Bob Dancer has been seen playing at casinos believed to be his customers (Compton Dancer Consulting) and some of those have put in the $100/hour plus games he can afford but often cause an overreaction by management that truly doesn't understand the number involved and have all good games pulled.
My questioning of his ethical standards comes from his book where he admits, proudly, that he engaged in actions most people consider over the line (like bribing slot attendants to get him extra drawing tickets or wanting to keep the higher-denomination tokens that were mistakenly loaded into a lower-denomination machine).
I know my standards are higher than most and will not condemn those that keep to a lower standard.
But the point as phrased in this thread is whether he is trying to sabotage the advantage player. Clearly not. But if I was a casino manager his obvious conflict of interest would make me uncertain whether he is advising me how to maximize revenue and income or whether he is shading his advice in his own interest.
Again, Bob I am not accusing you of anything worse that either things you have publicized or that you have a built-in conflict of interest with at least some of your company's clients. In the past you've thought I was your enemy, always attacking. In truth, I am a bit put off that we've been introduced 5 or 6 times over the years and you still don't have any idea who I am. But that's ego and really has nothing to do with this post.
Bill
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At 08:42 AM 5/4/2009, you wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, NC Wanderer <larbo929@... wrote:
> There is a group of VP players that believe Dancer is the antichrist and
> reponsible for all downgrades and reductions in playing speed. His
> years of publishing books and software to help other players increase
> there skill level was just a ploy that set him up to be a high-priced
> casino consultant who wears horns and wants to eliminate all good
> plays except the ones he plays at the high dollar level.
>
> When the world has passed you by you have to blame someone.
> They blame Bob Dancer.
I don't think his motives are sinister....but he does know what he is doing. I visited the South Point over the weekend and the machines were slowed down to a crawl and there were only 2 people playing, me and another person. I have heard that the speed can affect the payback. I think that the South point wants to advertise that they have 100%+ games but really do not want them played. They are located int he alley by the slot club and you feel secluded (at least I did) from the main casino. I'm going to try M or go back to some of my other favorite casinos. I liken this to false advertising.
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