I'm staying at the MGM Grand, and while the Database lists the best 25c
game as 15/9 "Airport" Deuces, they are nowhere to be found (not that
they were anything desirable anyway!).
Is there anything here playable at all? If not 99%+, then maybe even
98%+?
They're comping all of my rooms and I want to pay them back with a
least a little play!
Thanks in advance,
John
The 15/9/4/4/3/2/1 deuces are in the 50 plays in .25 next to the Starbucks. There are 6 of them I believe.
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Subject: [vpFREE] anything playable for 25c at MGM Grand?
I'm staying at the MGM Grand, and while the Database lists the best 25c
game as 15/9 "Airport" Deuces, they are nowhere to be found (not that
they were anything desirable anyway!).Is there anything here playable at all? If not 99%+, then maybe even
98%+?They're comping all of my rooms and I want to pay them back with a
least a little play!Thanks in advance,
John
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Across the walkover at the Trop there are still four coin dropper FPDW for quarters. (If you've never joined the Trop slot club be sure to cash out your points in the time frame for the new players bonus) One on the wall by the men's room next to gift shop, two near the promo area, "Lucky 20" I think it's called, and one near that bar with the fish on the wall (go to the card room, turn around and head back east about 30 ft.
You could also hop on the 201 bus and head west to the Orleans for the full pay quarter DB and quarter up to $25 NSUD
I've been watching the inside construction at the San Remo in prep for the new "Hooters Hotel" so far no new machines, the $5 Jacks 9/6 remains near back as you step down to the lower level.
JT, soon to be moving from the MGM hood to Road Runner RV park (ACE crappy buffet here he comes)
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When I get free play, I use the 8/5 progressive near the reception
area. Have not found anything better at the 25c level.
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:28:14 -0000, you wrote:
I'm staying at the MGM Grand, and while the Database lists the best 25c
game as 15/9 "Airport" Deuces, they are nowhere to be found (not that
they were anything desirable anyway!).Is there anything here playable at all? If not 99%+, then maybe even
98%+?They're comping all of my rooms and I want to pay them back with a
least a little play!Thanks in advance,
John
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I'm staying at the MGM Grand, and while the Database lists the
best 25c
game as 15/9 "Airport" Deuces, they are nowhere to be found (not
that
they were anything desirable anyway!).
Is there anything here playable at all? If not 99%+, then maybe
even
98%+?
They're comping all of my rooms and I want to pay them back with a
least a little play!Thanks in advance,
John
There are 8/5 Bonus poker(99.19%) down the esculator near the poker
room and the sports book( multi Game machines)
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "john_chinnock" <chinnock@h...> wrote:
Any more details?
25c denomination only?
# of machines?
Slant-tops or uprights?
On 8 Aug 2005 at 15:28, sheiky2 wrote:
There are 8/5 Bonus poker(99.19%) down the esculator near the poker
room and the sports book( multi Game machines)
25c only, in green Bally's Gamemaker uprights. I saw them last night (we were on our way to see "Ka", which was quite good, by the way).
John
vpFREE wrote:
On 8 Aug 2005 at 15:28, sheiky2 wrote:
There are 8/5 Bonus poker(99.19%) down the esculator near the poker
room and the sports book( multi Game machines)Any more details?
25c denomination only?
# of machines?
Slant-tops or uprights?
Was just writing my annual article for the American Casino Guide, where I note the best Vegas casinos for video-poker playing visitors, and noticed a couple of oddities:
1) Very little has changed since last August. Best dollar strip plays last year: Venetian, Caesars, Bellagio; pretty much still are this year. Best quarter plays last year: MSS, Riviera, Tropicana, Sam's Town, Boulder Station, Fiestas, Palms, Green Valley, Casino Montelago, downtown in general. This year, much the same. No devastating slash-and-burn reductions in FPVP inventory like in every damn year before.
2) Actual IMPROVEMENTS!!! My top recommendations for the Strip weren't even on the list last year. The FPDW progressive returns to the New Frontier, making it (along with great room offers) the no-brainer low-roller choice. The plethora of $1+ 9/6 JoB at Wynn makes it arguably the premier high-roller play. The new 25c/50c/$1 10/7 DB at the Stratosphere re-introduces a 100%+ dollar play to the Strip. MSS actually has a handful more FPDW machines.
Yes, I realize that overall, things still are headed suckward. Comps tighten up, the dregs (Harrah's, Rio, MGM) reach new low in payout pathos, slot clubs selectively target good machines for lousy comps, etc. But, this is the first time I haven't needed a stiff drink after writing my annual report. Or, maybe somebody slipped something into my iced tea BEFORE I wrote it. Thoughts?
Yes, I realize that overall, things still are headed suckward. Comps
tighten up, the dregs (Harrah's, Rio, MGM) reach new low in payout
pathos, slot clubs selectively target good machines for lousy comps,
etc. But, this is the first time I haven't needed a stiff drink after
writing my annual report. Or, maybe somebody slipped something into
my
iced tea BEFORE I wrote it. Thoughts?
My 2 cents (half price, if you have a coupon)
As TXSunbeam suggested, it's the expenses that are really starting to
take their toll on the visitor to LV. Fuel prices have jacked up
airfares for most and rental cars prices are slightly higher (mostly
due to the $3/day facility fee). Parking at my home airport is higher
than its ever been.
Many properties, at least Strip ones, have slowly increased F&B prices,
because the blind sheep flocking to LV and paying cash will fork out
the dough. And finally, mailed offers, at least for me, are not as
attractive as in the past...though my play has actually increased a
bit.
The record setting number of ploppies heading to town and the reduction
in competition has not been a good thing...
While I agree that vp opportunties are not nearly as plentiful or
advantageous as they were in the late 90's, they are still out
there! If a player is willing to take the time & trouble to scout
out good plays, some good ones are even available, at higher
denoms., on the Strip. For .25/.50/1.00 players good plays are
plentiful at locals casinos downtown, in Henderson, North LV and on
Boulder Highway.
As hockeystl quite correctly points out, the Strip is heavily
populated with clueless tourists and ploppies, willing to pay any
price for rooms & food, in addition to playing any poor pay schedule
vp. Of course this causes the casino to jack up room/food costs to
whatever the traffic will bear, and also confirms management's
opinion that LV visitors will continue to play anything available to
them. However, if not for the ploppies, I do believe that
ALL good vp would have vanished. I say, HOORAY for the tourists &
ploppies! They are the folks who contribute enough to the casino's
bottom line, so that the rest of us can still find fullpay vp to
play.
We simply cannot have it both ways any longer. The days of FPDW in
1.00 (and higher) denoms. will not be back. Nor can we expect the
casinos to continue to "pay us" via CB/FP/COMPS, at the same rate as
they do slot players, while we play only optimum vp with optimum
strategy. And, I do believe that they know who we are!
My wise husband has often said, "You take some and you leave some
for next time". I do subscribe to this theory in relation to
playing the game of VP as well as other things in life.
At least for me, for the forseeable future, there is still more than
enough good vp, for me to continue flying westward for 3+ hours.
Babe
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" wrote:
......... Many properties, at least Strip ones, have slowly
increased F&B prices, because the blind sheep flocking to LV and
paying cash will fork out the dough. And finally, mailed offers,
at least for me, are not as attractive as in the past...though my
play has actually increased a bit. The record setting number of
ploppies heading to town and the reduction in competition has not
been a good thing...
"Ploppies".....great word.!! What's the difference between "ploppies"
and "toursts"?
jackessiebabe wrote:
As hockeystl quite correctly points out, the Strip is heavily
populated with clueless tourists and ploppies,............
However, if not for the ploppies, I do believe that
ALL good vp would have vanished. I say, HOORAY for the tourists &
ploppies! They are the folks who contribute enough to the casino's
bottom line, so that the rest of us can still find fullpay vp to
play.Babe
......... Many properties, at least Strip ones, have slowly
increased F&B prices, because the blind sheep flocking to LV and
The record setting number of
ploppies heading to town and the reduction in competition has not
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
However, if not for the ploppies, I do believe that
ALL good vp would have vanished. I say, HOORAY for the tourists &
ploppies! They are the folks who contribute enough to the casino's
bottom line, so that the rest of us can still find fullpay vp to
play.
On the other hand, with all the profitable short-pay play, why should a
casino offer ANY full-pay? In that sense ploppies may actually be
encouraging the demise of full-pay. This is similar to what's going on
currently in blackjack.
2-W
"Ploppies".....great word.!! What's the difference
between "ploppies" and "toursts"?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Mckenna <tmac2@l...> wrote:
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Hi Dick,
That's a very good question! I'm usually not stumped by most "word
questions", but since I can't find a real definition for "Ploppie"
in Webster's Dictionary, I'll tell you MY definition of each (as
applies to LV visitors.)
LV Tourist: A person, on a holiday trip, wanting to see all the
sights, take in the shows, patronize the better restaurants and gawk
at the lights. This person has a very nominal gambling budget, knows
little or nothing about advantage play at any game, and usually
loses their entire bankroll. They count those lost $$$$ as part of
their "entertainment" cost.
LV Ploppie: A person who likes to gamble (usually on slots) and who
fancies themselves to be knowledgeable, but is usually clueless.
They will therefore "plop" down at any vp machine that is close by
(regardless of pay table) and continue to sit there, banging away
for countless hours, w/o any idea of proper strategy. They are more
than happy to tell YOU the best way to play, however.
Since these are VERY subjective definitions, I am open to any better
interpretations from others.
Babe
On the other hand, with all the profitable short-pay play, why should
a casino offer ANY full-pay? In that sense ploppies may actually be
encouraging the demise of full-pay. This is similar to what's going
on currently in blackjack.
2-W
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "2-WILD" <lucky4K@M...> wrote:
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VERY good point, 2-Wild! It's the opposite side of my hypothesis, and
certainly has as much merit.
I guess that this is a subject that can (and probably has) been
debated endlessly, with no definitive conclusion reached.
I'm really sorry you brought this up! Now I won't know what to wish
for........more folks playing or refusing to play the inferior VP!
( - : Babe
jackessiebabe wrote:
I'm really sorry you brought this up! Now I won't know what to wish
for........more folks playing or refusing to play the inferior VP!
Our venerable vpFREE Admin has suggested precisely what the ideal
environment would be. Masses who are informed only sufficiently
enough to know what the strongest paytables are (i.e. "full pay"), but
aren't motivated to learn strategies, etc.
If they flock to full pay games, casinos will be motivated to install
them. But, at the same time, the predominant play by the numerous
uneducated will ensure that casino holds on these games are far
stronger than when only the very knowledgable seek them out. Everyone
comes out a winner.
But this scenario is utopian. The reality is represented by when
Coast Casinos pulled FP Deuces and DB. Players, for various reasons
(some valid, such as major convenience) have continued to play there
and I have every reason to expect this was a very successful strategic
move by Coast.
It's almost laughable that the "best" games at Barbary Coast now are
also offered across the street at Caesars with comparable cashback ...
Oops, I messed this up ... just checked the LV directory here and see
that BC downgraded their 9/6 Jacks!
Fight the good fight, VPA!
- Harry
But this scenario is utopian. The reality is represented by when
Coast Casinos pulled FP Deuces and DB. Players, for various reasons
(some valid, such as major convenience) have continued to play there
and I have every reason to expect this was a very successful strategic
move by Coast.
Realistically, I think if people start staying away from short-pay VP, then the casinos will just decide that VP is unprofitable altogether and start replacing them with slot machines. I don't see them saying "Hey, we need to put in better paytables so that people will play VP." I see them saying "This 3000 SF of floor space only makes $X/hr per SF, so let's take 'em all out and put in multi-line nickel video slots, which have a hold of $Y/her per SF."
So, yeah, let's hear it for the uninformed and the losers. They keep the decent opportunities around for the rest of us.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Mckenna <tmac2@l...> wrote:
"Ploppies".....great word.!! What's the difference
between "ploppies" and "toursts"?
---------------------------------------------
Hi Dick,That's a very good question! I'm usually not stumped by most "word
questions", but since I can't find a real definition for "Ploppie"
in Webster's Dictionary, I'll tell you MY definition of each (as
applies to LV visitors.)
Its a BJ term for clueless players , most BJ players HATE them.
M J
Was just writing my annual article for the American Casino Guide,
where
I note the best Vegas casinos for video-poker playing visitors, and
noticed a couple of oddities:
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If you are a local Vegan ,its tuff. If you are a tourist go to Reno
Reno if you can get a flight, VP is better & improving.
Locals {I ask} from what i seen are CLUELESS, They play keno, short
coin,like 1 coin per line on a 100play, less than full pay games,
wrong statergy for the game, play DRUNK, ( oh wait a minute, thats
me!!another reason to use a chart)
I have seen sharp players, mostly at the bars?? but not many.
Vegas now is for conventions & vacations, the strip dont need
gamblers hardly at all as the tourist dont know or really care about
gambling, they think it is ALL LUCK any way the heathens!!
Is it true that Vegas expects 50 million visitors this year??
Does Southwest Air still offer flights between Vegas & Reno for about
$100 roundtrip? or did i hear wrong??
I said it before but if you want vastly superior gaming & at LEAST
equal rooms & food, RENO RENO
M J
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly <jwkelly@f...> wrote:
As far as short pay VP, I wouldn't worry. I was at Green Valley Ranch
Monday night. Played all the 10/6 DDB's and Optimum Plays. While
playing, one other player was seen on any of these machines.
Meanwhile, other banks were getting plenty of play. The shame would be
the removal of the full pay machines because they don't get enough
play. Wouldn't that be ironic?
Or take the Suncoast as an example. I see plenty of people playing max
coin nickel 6/5 DDB. They would probably be better off playing single
coin quarter 9/6 DDB. Months ago I posed the same question on this
message board. The consensus answer was they are "clueless", which is
fine with me. Idiot nation. Zombie nation. Plus this is Nevada; given
the quality of education in this state, no one should be surprised.
Realistically, I think if people start staying away from short-pay
VP, then the casinos will just decide that VP is unprofitable
altogether and start replacing them with slot machines. I don't
see them saying "Hey, we need to put in better paytables so that
people will play VP." I see them saying "This 3000 SF of floor
space
only makes $X/hr per SF, so let's take 'em all out and put in multi-
line nickel video slots, which have a hold of $Y/her per SF."So, yeah, let's hear it for the uninformed and the losers. They
keep
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Thomas <jfthomas3@c...> wrote:
the decent opportunities around for the rest of us.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Kelly
<jwkelly@f...> wrote:
> Was just writing my annual article for the
American Casino Guide,
where
> I note the best Vegas casinos for video-poker
playing visitors, and
> noticed a couple of oddities:
>
--- mklpryy24 <mklpryy24@yahoo.com> wrote:
***************************************************************
> If you are a local Vegan ,its tuff. If you are a
tourist go to Reno
Reno if you can get a flight, VP is better &
improving.
Locals {I ask} from what i seen are CLUELESS, They
play keno, short
coin,like 1 coin per line on a 100play, less than
full pay games,
wrong statergy for the game, play DRUNK, ( oh wait a
minute, thats
me!!another reason to use a chart)
I have seen sharp players, mostly at the bars?? but
not many.Vegas now is for conventions & vacations, the strip
dont need
gamblers hardly at all as the tourist dont know or
really care about
gambling, they think it is ALL LUCK any way the
heathens!!Is it true that Vegas expects 50 million visitors
this year??Does Southwest Air still offer flights between Vegas
& Reno for about
$100 roundtrip? or did i hear wrong??I said it before but if you want vastly superior
gaming & at LEAST
equal rooms & food, RENO RENO
M Jhey nj iam retired from nj las vegas has all top
paying games at full pay you yust have to know where
to play. reno is not better tahoe is worst and
atlantic city is forget about it from ron framus
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