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A test for the qualified one

#1

Games like 9/6 and NSUD are simple. So,Bob, here's your big chance
to prove how qualified you are.

The game is Joker's Wild. One Joker in the deck.

Here's the payscale: Royal Flush 640
                        5 of a Kind 250
                        Joker Royal 200
                        Straight Flush 50
                        4 of a Kind 25
                        Full House 9
                        Flush 6
                        Straight 5
                        3 of a Kind 1
                        2 Pair 1

Now here's the curveball, big fella:

A natural Aces full of anything pays: 60
Natural 4 Aces pays: 80

If you are as qualified as you say you are you should be able to get
the answer back to us in a couple of hours. Have a nice day.

#2

If you are going to post a challenge to "get the answer back to us in a
couple of hours" then I really think it is only fair to actually include a
question as part of the challenge. After all, I don't recall Bob ever
claiming "psychic" as one of his superior features. :wink:

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On Friday 18 August 2006 7:29 am, mickeycrimm wrote:

Games like 9/6 and NSUD are simple. So,Bob, here's your big chance
to prove how qualified you are.

The game is Joker's Wild. One Joker in the deck.

Here's the payscale: Royal Flush 640
                        5 of a Kind 250
                        Joker Royal 200
                        Straight Flush 50
                        4 of a Kind 25
                        Full House 9
                        Flush 6
                        Straight 5
                        3 of a Kind 1
                        2 Pair 1

Now here's the curveball, big fella:

A natural Aces full of anything pays: 60
Natural 4 Aces pays: 80

If you are as qualified as you say you are you should be able to get
the answer back to us in a couple of hours. Have a nice day.

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#3

Mickey wrote: If you are as qualified as you say you are you should be
able to get
the answer back to us in a couple of hours. Have a nice day.

  Yes I can do that calculation. I am very busy today and do not
plan on addressing this now. Whether or not you believe I need to run
your "trial by fire" gauntlet to prove my vp expertise, I'm not
interested in playing your game.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

#4

mickeycrimm wrote:

Games like 9/6 and NSUD are simple. So,Bob, here's your big chance
to prove how qualified you are.

Mickey,

I think I once heard it said that you catch more flies with honey than
by pissing vinegar in their face (or something to that effect ...)

Had you approached this a little more tactfully, Bob might have bitten
sheerly out of the challenge of the problem (and, possibly, to assist
someone looking for an answer). You blew it.

- H.

#5

Sure. What is the payback percentage of the game? Perhaps Bob may
want to include some comments about strategy too.

If you are going to post a challenge to "get the answer back to us

in a

couple of hours" then I really think it is only fair to actually

include a

question as part of the challenge. After all, I don't recall Bob

ever

claiming "psychic" as one of his superior features. :wink:

> Games like 9/6 and NSUD are simple. So,Bob, here's your big

chance

> to prove how qualified you are.
>
>
> The game is Joker's Wild. One Joker in the deck.
>
> Here's the payscale: Royal Flush 640
> 5 of a Kind 250
> Joker Royal 200
> Straight Flush 50
> 4 of a Kind 25
> Full House 9
> Flush 6
> Straight 5
> 3 of a Kind 1
> 2 Pair 1
>
> Now here's the curveball, big fella:
>
> A natural Aces full of anything pays: 60
> Natural 4 Aces pays: 80
>
> If you are as qualified as you say you are you should be able to

get

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Steve Jacobs <jacobs@...> wrote:

On Friday 18 August 2006 7:29 am, mickeycrimm wrote:
> the answer back to us in a couple of hours. Have a nice day.
>
>
>
>
>
> vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>

#6

For the record, Bob did not post the payback percentage of the game in
question. How did I already know that he couldn't,er, wouldn't.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

Mickey wrote: If you are as qualified as you say you are you should be
able to get
the answer back to us in a couple of hours. Have a nice day.

  Yes I can do that calculation. I am very busy today and do not
plan on addressing this now. Whether or not you believe I need to run
your "trial by fire" gauntlet to prove my vp expertise, I'm not
interested in playing your game.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

#7

Never ask a loaded question if you don't already know the answer. I
already know the answer, Harry. Bob could not just punch this one into
Winpoker and come up with the answer. LMAO But guess what else about
the game,Harry. There are 1% meters on the Aces Full and Four Aces.
Where is the game? That's for me to know and everyone else to find
out. Take care.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

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mickeycrimm wrote:
> Games like 9/6 and NSUD are simple. So,Bob, here's your big chance
> to prove how qualified you are.

Mickey,

I think I once heard it said that you catch more flies with honey than
by pissing vinegar in their face (or something to that effect ...)

Had you approached this a little more tactfully, Bob might have bitten
sheerly out of the challenge of the problem (and, possibly, to assist
someone looking for an answer). You blew it.

- H.

#8

mickeycrimm wrote:

Never ask a loaded question if you don't already know the answer. I
already know the answer, Harry.

er ... that much I already figured out.

Where is the game? That's for me to know and everyone else to find
out. Take care.

I'd hope you'd keep that one close to the vest -- you've impressed me
that you have the sense not to do otherwise.

However, I have a feeling that your tales do much more to endear you
than your chest-thumping prowess. No reason for you to particularly
care what I feel in that regard.

- Harry

#9

mickeycrimm wrote:

Never ask a loaded question if you don't already know the answer.

It's unfortunate that you can't edit a post once entered.
I left out a critical phrase in the original post to which you replied:

"and, possibly, to assist someone WHO APPEARS TO BE looking for an answer"

- H.

#10

And people say _BOB_ is a glutton for attention?! Imo,
mickey schools anyone and everyone else here in that regard -
no matter how true it may or may not be about anyone else here.

Iow, Mickey asked Bob a question - why Bob gives someone who's
name escapes me right now a pass, and an answer was given(he's
too bush league to worry about or take seriously, or something
along those lines). If Mickey has a different answer(aka "The Real
Answer") in mind, fine. But if the answer given wasn't good enough
for Mickey, seems to me that's Mickey's Problem - not Bob's.

In any case, please take this(and any other) pissing contest(s)
OFFLIST. I don't think I'm the only one here who'll say that
that sort of attempted one-upsmanship is NOT what they joined -
or remain actively reading in - this group for?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

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mickeycrimm wrote:
> Never ask a loaded question if you don't already know
> the answer. I already know the answer, Harry.

er ... that much I already figured out.
  
> Where is the game? That's for me to know
> and everyone else to find out. Take care.

I'd hope you'd keep that one close to the vest -- you've
impressed me that you have the sense not to do otherwise.

However, I have a feeling that your tales do much more to
endear you than your chest-thumping prowess. No reason for
you to particularly care what I feel in that regard.

- Harry

#11

Bob is on a big play this weekend, so leave him alone, at least until
Sunday. Sounds like Thursday morning didn't go so well. As for your
game, it's kind of hard to make up the 12.5% shortage by halving the
3K payout on a JW2-based paytable. The Aces Full hand helps
dramatically, but not enough, IMHO. At reset I'm guessing you're
looking at about 98%.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

Never ask a loaded question if you don't already know the answer. I
already know the answer, Harry. Bob could not just punch this one into
Winpoker and come up with the answer. LMAO But guess what else about
the game,Harry. There are 1% meters on the Aces Full and Four Aces.
Where is the game? That's for me to know and everyone else to find
out. Take care.

_________________________________________________________________________

paladingaming.net

#12

It is an eternal curiosity to forum participants everywhere that they do not
discourage pissing contests by adding to them. Probably best to stay out of
the way as either Harry or Mickey (I'm not sure which) can piss vinegar in a
fly's face. The marksmanship required for the stunt recommends I keep
safely to the sidelines. The constitution required for the product is no
less disturbing.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Jeff
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:14 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: A test for the qualified one

In any case, please take this(and any other) pissing contest(s)
OFFLIST. I don't think I'm the only one here who'll say that
that sort of attempted one-upsmanship is NOT what they joined -
or remain actively reading in - this group for?

#13

Chandler, I will take your word that you cannot perform this
interesting stunt.

However, If someone will hold the fly still, and identify the face as
opposed to the rear, I would take a "shot" at it. Now THAT would
really be something to see! (-:
~Babe!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@...>wrote:

Probably best to stay out of the way as either Harry or Mickey (I'm
not sure which) can piss vinegar in a fly's face. The marksmanship
required for the stunt recommends I keep safely to the sidelines. The
constitution required for the product is no less disturbing.

Chandler

#14

Chandler wrote:

It is an eternal curiosity to forum participants everywhere that they
do not discourage pissing contests by adding to them.

I hadn't noticed any contest. One party posed a challenge; the other
didn't bite.

Nonetheless, your point that the peanut gallery needn't involve
themselves might be quite valid.

- H.

#15

From: "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>

Never ask a loaded question if you don't already know the answer. I
already know the answer, Harry.
Where is the game? That's for me to know and everyone else to find
out. Take care.

I taught middle school for 38 years. This reminds me of recess at middle
school. There was always one kid who had to throw down the gauntlet at all
the others, who did not really care.... Annie, wishing the testosterone
count here were a little lower...

#16

What have I missed?

Are we back in kindergarten?

Come on, folks....grow up!

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

There are 1% meters on the Aces Full and Four Aces.
Where is the game? That's for me to know and everyone else to find
out.

#17

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, ANN AND CHARLES GAUVIN
<ride3843@...> wrote:

> From: "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...>

> Never ask a loaded question if you don't already know the answer. I
> already know the answer, Harry.
> Where is the game? That's for me to know and everyone else to find
> out. Take care.

I taught middle school for 38 years. This reminds me of recess at middle
school. There was always one kid who had to throw down the gauntlet

at all

the others, who did not really care.... Annie, wishing the testosterone
count here were a little lower...

Being well into my 54th lap around the sun it's good to know I've got a little
testosterone left, My sentiments can be summed up in a line by Captain
Call in the great made-for-tv movie Lonesome Dove. After giving someone
a sound thrashing Call said "I detest insolence in a man, won't tolerate it."

As for my latest play, the 60 for one on Aces Full, and 80 for one on 4
Aces are the preset values. I'm actually playing the game with at least 120
bets into the Aces Full and and at least 240 bets into the 4 Aces.

I've think I have already explained on this site that thin edge video poker is
not my bag. All in all I'd rather play live poker than be a robot. Big fat
edges have been my specialty for 10 years. They are few and far in
between nowadays.

So I stumble onto this play. Since all my stuff is in storage in Las Vegas I
called a friend and got him to run the base payscale on Win, then crank out
the strategy on Strategy Master and mail it to me. This is where I started
on solving the puzzle. The base game is only 92.05% excluding the bonus
hands. The Aces hands are the key hands. So the hands involving no aces
have no strategy changes.

It's very easy to find the extra EV on hands like a dealt 4 aces or a dealt
aces full. For instance you will flop aces full every 9964 games (2,869,685
five card combinations divided by 288. The 288 is derived by multiplying 4
(combinations that make 3 aces) by 72 (the number of pairs other than
aces left in the deck). Then divide 51 ( 60 minus the 9 bets a normal full
house would pay) by 9964 and voila! You have an extra half percent in EV
on just that one scenario.

3 ace hands are easy too. A pair of aces is not that difficult either. But
the one-ace hands are where the work begins for someone doing all this
with a calculator like I did. There are 506,880 non-pair hands that have an
ace in them. Culling out the combinations that would play over the ace to
get the true frequency of playing one ace is boring, tedious, cumbersome
work to say the least.

Since I'm not qualified ( I quit school in the third grade when I got my
driver's license) I will defer to Mr. Dancer to give you the EV of this game.

#18

Hi there mickey

You have posted one of the best lines I have heard in a long time, "I
quit school in the third grade when I got my drivers license." I don't
even read most of these knock down drag out fights let alone post to
them. Here goes nothing;

You have to ask the question, "What's in it for me to ask Bob this
question?" You already know the answer.

Why mention the good play at all if your going to keep it a secret? Now
you have a 1000 people out and about looking for the play. So there is
nothing in it for you to mention this.

Even if Bob can't answer the question, what difference soes it make?

Bob seems like a pretty nice guy and he's just scratching around
wanting to make a few bucks and feed the family. Why put him on a spot
if it can't help you or others?

Just a couple thoughts...Jeep
.
.

Since I'm not qualified ( I quit school in the third grade when I got

my

driver's license) I will defer to Mr. Dancer to give you the EV of

this game.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

#19

When I analyzed the game originally, I thought you meant 4 natural
Aces. If you can include the Joker, then the reset becomes something
around 101%. Taking the meters into consideration, it's an average 3%+
play; you're freerolling the RF and 5K.

#20

The imagery of pissing and contests were others. I just ran with it to it's
ridiculous extreme. I could have used Bob's "War" or Mickey's "Brawl", but
I had more fun my way. My point was not to discourage peanut gallery
participation in anything. I am part of the peanut gallery, after all. I
presume that we (all us peanuts) are all able to make our own judgements
about whether to contribute, read or ignore anything. What I still find
puzzling after many years of online participation are those that contribute
to a thread and then condemn its existance and proclaim it should end. It
would be a great way of getting the last word if it ever even once worked in
the history of online discussion.

The point from the peanut gallery in a nutshell.

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Harry Porter
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 8:01 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: A test for the qualified one

Chandler wrote:

It is an eternal curiosity to forum participants everywhere that they
do not discourage pissing contests by adding to them.

I hadn't noticed any contest. One party posed a challenge; the other
didn't bite.

Nonetheless, your point that the peanut gallery needn't involve
themselves might be quite valid.

- H.

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