9/6JoB w/ 250 4oak

[timmer]

as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage as of
late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.

here it is:

column #1 Column #2
9/6 JoB w/250 4K
Pat Royal AKQJ
Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl.Pen
Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen
QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
QJs, Any 2Pen

any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
appreciated.\

you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the trim
to a pocket sized crib.

I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time as it
reduces some of the lines

timmer

[John8]

Did you set *all* 4oak's to 250-coin? Usually it's just one card (or 2 in the case of Wynn's current promotion). How does the strategy for a 250-coin 4oak COD differ from the regular 125-coin 9/6 JoB strategy? As far as I know, there aren't any changes. When it's a Ten, it probably makes a pair of Tens > unsuited TJQK, but that's about it. Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't actually analyzed it thoroughly.

···

timmer <timmr21@yahoo.com> wrote:
  as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage as of
late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.

here it is:

column #1 Column #2
9/6 JoB w/250 4K
Pat Royal AKQJ
Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl.Pen
Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen
QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
QJs, Any 2Pen

any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
appreciated.\

you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the trim
to a pocket sized crib.

I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time as it
reduces some of the lines

timmer

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[timmer]

Any 4oaK is an additional 125 coins one shot deal

Im Playing $1 or $2 JoB triple play

of course low pair plays higher as does RF2

Just type in 250 4oaK into your strat master open word then default
strat master and look at the differences.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@...>
wrote:

Did you set *all* 4oak's to 250-coin? Usually it's just one card

(or 2 in the case of Wynn's current promotion). How does the
strategy for a 250-coin 4oak COD differ from the regular 125-coin
9/6 JoB strategy? As far as I know, there aren't any changes. When
it's a Ten, it probably makes a pair of Tens > unsuited TJQK, but
that's about it. Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't actually
analyzed it thoroughly.

  
timmer <timmr21@...> wrote:
  as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage as

of

late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.

here it is:

column #1 Column #2
9/6 JoB w/250 4K
Pat Royal AKQJ
Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl.Pen
Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen
QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
QJs, Any 2Pen

any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
appreciated.\

you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the

trim

to a pocket sized crib.

I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time as

it

reduces some of the lines

timmer

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[timmer]

ok, low pair switches places with KQJTo

QJs 0 Pen switches places with SF2 di 2hi ie KQ9s, KJ9s

Jack, 0FL pen out does JTs any 3 pen *and* AK, AQ, AJ
Queen no pen out does KTs 0FL pen AND QTs 1FL pen also K 0FL pen
out does QTs 1 FL pen
Any KTXs thats not a di SF or better hold only K

as you can see most of the changes are of the one high card varity
and some RF2 1hi but dont thik that these changes are not significant
singleton J and Q go way up in value as do singleton K

and dont even think about not redrawing razgoo also increases in
value a significant amount

timmer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@...>
wrote:

Did you set *all* 4oak's to 250-coin? Usually it's just one card

(or 2 in the case of Wynn's current promotion). How does the
strategy for a 250-coin 4oak COD differ from the regular 125-coin
9/6 JoB strategy? As far as I know, there aren't any changes. When
it's a Ten, it probably makes a pair of Tens > unsuited TJQK, but
that's about it. Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't actually
analyzed it thoroughly.

  
timmer <timmr21@...> wrote:
  as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage as

of

late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.

here it is:

column #1 Column #2
9/6 JoB w/250 4K
Pat Royal AKQJ
Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl.Pen
Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen
QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
QJs, Any 2Pen

any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
appreciated.\

you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the

trim

to a pocket sized crib.

I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time as

it

reduces some of the lines

timmer

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[timmer]

I wanted to add the AJos out does Jack no Flush penalty
so the affected line would read "Jack 0FL or HC penalty pen"

changed in chart below

ok, low pair switches places with KQJTo

QJs 0 Pen switches places with SF2 di 2hi ie KQ9s, KJ9s

Jack, 0FL pen out does JTs any 3 pen *and* AK, AQ, AJ
Queen no pen out does KTs 0FL pen AND QTs 1FL pen also K 0FL pen
out does QTs 1 FL pen
Any KTXs thats not a di SF or better hold only K

as you can see most of the changes are of the one high card varity
and some RF2 1hi but dont thik that these changes are not

significant

singleton J and Q go way up in value as do singleton K

and dont even think about not redrawing razgoo also increases in
value a significant amount

timmer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@>
wrote:
>
> Did you set *all* 4oak's to 250-coin? Usually it's just one card
(or 2 in the case of Wynn's current promotion). How does the
strategy for a 250-coin 4oak COD differ from the regular 125-coin
9/6 JoB strategy? As far as I know, there aren't any changes. When
it's a Ten, it probably makes a pair of Tens > unsuited TJQK, but
that's about it. Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't actually
analyzed it thoroughly.
>
> timmer <timmr21@> wrote:
> as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage

as

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "timmer" <timmr21@...> wrote:

of
> late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.
>
> here it is:
>
> column #1 Column #2
> 9/6 JoB w/250 4K
> Pat Royal AKQJ
> Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
> Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
> 4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
> Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
> Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
> Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
> Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
> 4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
> Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
> Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
> RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
> 4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
> AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
> 4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl or HC.Pen
> Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
> 4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
> QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
> 4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen no KTxs*
> QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
> QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
> KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
> QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
> KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
> QJs, Any 2Pen w/ KTxs hold only K
>
>
> any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
> appreciated.\
>
> you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the
trim
> to a pocket sized crib.
>
> I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time as
it
> reduces some of the lines
>
> timmer
>
>
>
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[timmer]

the below line should read

QJs 0 Pen switches places with SF3 di 2hi ie KQ9s, KJ9s

sorry

timmer

I wanted to add the AJos out does Jack no Flush penalty
so the affected line would read "Jack 0FL or HC penalty pen"

changed in chart below

>
> ok, low pair switches places with KQJTo
>
> QJs 0 Pen switches places with SF2 di 2hi ie KQ9s, KJ9s
>
> Jack, 0FL pen out does JTs any 3 pen *and* AK, AQ, AJ
> Queen no pen out does KTs 0FL pen AND QTs 1FL pen also K 0FL

pen

> out does QTs 1 FL pen
> Any KTXs thats not a di SF or better hold only K
>
> as you can see most of the changes are of the one high card

varity

> and some RF2 1hi but dont thik that these changes are not
significant
> singleton J and Q go way up in value as do singleton K
>
> and dont even think about not redrawing razgoo also increases in
> value a significant amount
>
>
> timmer
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Did you set *all* 4oak's to 250-coin? Usually it's just one

card

> (or 2 in the case of Wynn's current promotion). How does the
> strategy for a 250-coin 4oak COD differ from the regular 125-

coin

> 9/6 JoB strategy? As far as I know, there aren't any changes.

When

> it's a Ten, it probably makes a pair of Tens > unsuited TJQK,

but

> that's about it. Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't

actually

> analyzed it thoroughly.
> >
> > timmer <timmr21@> wrote:
> > as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage
as
> of
> > late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.
> >
> > here it is:
> >
> > column #1 Column #2
> > 9/6 JoB w/250 4K
> > Pat Royal AKQJ
> > Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
> > Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
> > 4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
> > Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
> > Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
> > Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
> > Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
> > 4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
> > Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
> > Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
> > RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
> > 4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
> > AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
> > 4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl or HC.Pen
> > Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
> > 4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
> > QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
> > 4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen no KTxs*
> > QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
> > QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
> > KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
> > QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
> > KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
> > QJs, Any 2Pen w/ KTxs hold only K
> >
> >
> > any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
> > appreciated.\
> >
> > you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the
> trim
> > to a pocket sized crib.
> >
> > I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time

as

> it
> > reduces some of the lines
> >
> > timmer
> >
> >
> >
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "timmer" <timmr21@> wrote:
> low rates.
> >
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> >
>

[John8]

Except for TT > TJQK, every other set you mentioned is mutually exclusive, e.g. you can't have JQs 0 pen at the same time as 9QKs or 9JKs. Of course individual J, Q, or K goes up in value since 4oak goes up for every card.
   
  Bottom line, I stand by my statement that TT > TJQK is the only change from "regular" 9/6 JOB strategy.

  ok, low pair switches places with KQJTo

QJs 0 Pen switches places with SF2 di 2hi ie KQ9s, KJ9s

Jack, 0FL pen out does JTs any 3 pen *and* AK, AQ, AJ
Queen no pen out does KTs 0FL pen AND QTs 1FL pen also K 0FL pen
out does QTs 1 FL pen
Any KTXs thats not a di SF or better hold only K

as you can see most of the changes are of the one high card varity
and some RF2 1hi but dont thik that these changes are not significant
singleton J and Q go way up in value as do singleton K

and dont even think about not redrawing razgoo also increases in
value a significant amount

timmer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@...>
wrote:

Did you set *all* 4oak's to 250-coin? Usually it's just one card

(or 2 in the case of Wynn's current promotion). How does the
strategy for a 250-coin 4oak COD differ from the regular 125-coin
9/6 JoB strategy? As far as I know, there aren't any changes. When
it's a Ten, it probably makes a pair of Tens > unsuited TJQK, but
that's about it. Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't actually
analyzed it thoroughly.

  
timmer <timmr21@...> wrote:
  as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage as

of

late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.

here it is:

column #1 Column #2
9/6 JoB w/250 4K
Pat Royal AKQJ
Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl.Pen
Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen
QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
QJs, Any 2Pen

any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
appreciated.\

you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the

trim

to a pocket sized crib.

I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time as

it

reduces some of the lines

timmer

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BTW what casino is doing this 4oak bonus?

timmer <timmr21@yahoo.com> wrote: I wanted to add the AJos out does Jack no Flush penalty
so the affected line would read "Jack 0FL or HC penalty pen"

changed in chart below

ok, low pair switches places with KQJTo

QJs 0 Pen switches places with SF2 di 2hi ie KQ9s, KJ9s

Jack, 0FL pen out does JTs any 3 pen *and* AK, AQ, AJ
Queen no pen out does KTs 0FL pen AND QTs 1FL pen also K 0FL pen
out does QTs 1 FL pen
Any KTXs thats not a di SF or better hold only K

as you can see most of the changes are of the one high card varity
and some RF2 1hi but dont thik that these changes are not

significant

singleton J and Q go way up in value as do singleton K

and dont even think about not redrawing razgoo also increases in
value a significant amount

timmer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@>
wrote:
>
> Did you set *all* 4oak's to 250-coin? Usually it's just one card
(or 2 in the case of Wynn's current promotion). How does the
strategy for a 250-coin 4oak COD differ from the regular 125-coin
9/6 JoB strategy? As far as I know, there aren't any changes. When
it's a Ten, it probably makes a pair of Tens > unsuited TJQK, but
that's about it. Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't actually
analyzed it thoroughly.
>
> timmer <timmr21@> wrote:
> as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage

as

of
> late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.
>
> here it is:
>
> column #1 Column #2
> 9/6 JoB w/250 4K
> Pat Royal AKQJ
> Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
> Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
> 4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
> Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
> Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
> Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
> Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
> 4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
> Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
> Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
> RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
> 4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
> AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
> 4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl or HC.Pen
> Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
> 4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
> QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
> 4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen no KTxs*
> QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
> QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
> KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
> QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
> KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
> QJs, Any 2Pen w/ KTxs hold only K
>
>
> any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
> appreciated.\
>
> you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the
trim
> to a pocket sized crib.
>
> I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time as
it
> reduces some of the lines
>
> timmer
>
>
>
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[Harry_Porter]

John Douglass wrote:

BTW what casino is doing this 4oak bonus?

John, as you earlier suggested, there's no casino offering a bonus on
any 4K hit. (That promo, aside from perhaps a one-time use coupon,
and unicorns have a place in our dreams The only recent discussion
(other than COD) has been the Wynn one you noted.

I wouldn't discourage timmer from his exercise. It's the type of
effort that yields some key insights into strategy and changes that
arise with modified paytables and special promotions.

However, using winpoker for it is akin to using a slide rule for
multiplication and to calculate exponents. You can learn from that
to, but there are stronger software tools for this analysis (FVP or
VPSM, e.g.)

- H.

[Bob_Dancer1]

Harry wrote: I wouldn't discourage timmer from his exercise. It's
the type of effort that yields some key insights into strategy and
changes that
arise with modified paytables and special promotions.

I very much agree with Harry. There is a learning process that wannabe
good players MUST go through. Everybody needs to put the strategies into
symbols and nomenclature that they personally understand. I do not
believe you'll become a good player unless you actively pursue such
questions as "how would it affect the strategy if this category were
bonused?" Your first efforts frequently come up with mutually-exclusive
rules, and you often make mistakes that you don't find until the second
or third time you look at it. But over time you get there, and you get
much faster and more accurate. There are a LOT of promotions out there
that do this, and frequently they are over before someone like me
publishes the analysis. If you can do it yourself, you'll be able to get
while the getting is good.

Harry also wrote: However, using WinPoker for it is akin to using a
slide rule for multiplication and to calculate exponents. You can learn
from that
to, but there are stronger software tools for this analysis (FVP or
VPSM, e.g.)

On this I disagree with Harry. While it doesn't create strategies,
WinPoker has by far the best analytical tools available. While both FVP
and VPSM would be able to catch the KQJTT hand, neither would catch the
AK"QJ"9 hand or the K only from "KTx". These are more intricate penalty
card situations than either of these programs address. To catch such
hands, sometimes it is necessary to go to the ADVANCED mode on WinPoker,
set HARD HANDS to 0.01, and just see what comes up. The defenders of FVP
and VPSM frequently argue that we're talking about pennies per hour, or
maybe 0.001% or other such small number. True enough. But if you really
want to learn these games and take advantage of promotions, you'll make
the effort despite this. There is a large amount of information gleaned
by this process, and you never know down the road when this information
will prove useful.

Harry's advice is more apt when you're dealing with a new game and you
want an overall reasonable strategy. But when it comes to discovering
the fine points, WinPoker is clearly the best.

Bob Dancer

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[Mark_Marsh]

I'm on the Carnival Conquest right now without my
laptop. They have a progressive JOB 6/5 with a $10,000
RF, at the moment. It is advertised as a .25 VP, but
you need to bet 10 to engage the progressive, so it is
really equivalent to a .50 VP. I was interested in the
EV, and for laughs, the variance in this game. Also ,
should one hold a suited A-10 at this RF level?

Any help appreciated,
Mark

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I'm on the Carnival Conquest right now without my
laptop. They have a progressive JOB 6/5 with a $10,000
RF, at the moment. It is advertised as a .25 VP, but
you need to bet 10 to engage the progressive, so it is
really equivalent to a .50 VP. I was interested in the
EV, and for laughs, the variance in this game. Also ,
should one hold a suited A-10 at this RF level?

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mark Marsh <butnpushr@...> wrote:

104.86%

Variance is: 519.431

Suited AT would be a good hold at this level.

[Eric]

shouldn't have outed the play

···

On 5/11/06, staninnv <arnot@cox.net> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mark Marsh <butnpushr@...> wrote:
>
> I'm on the Carnival Conquest right now without my
> laptop. They have a progressive JOB 6/5 with a $10,000
> RF, at the moment. It is advertised as a .25 VP, but
> you need to bet 10 to engage the progressive, so it is
> really equivalent to a .50 VP. I was interested in the
> EV, and for laughs, the variance in this game. Also ,
> should one hold a suited A-10 at this RF level?

104.86%

Variance is: 519.431

Suited AT would be a good hold at this level.

-----------------------

[Harry_Porter]

Bob Dancer wrote:

Harry also wrote: However, using WinPoker for it is akin to using a
slide rule for multiplication and to calculate exponents. You can
learn from that to, but there are stronger software tools for this
analysis (FVP or VPSM, e.g.)

On this I disagree with Harry. While it doesn't create strategies,
WinPoker has by far the best analytical tools available. While both
FVP and VPSM would be able to catch the KQJTT hand, neither would
catch the AK"QJ"9 hand or the K only from "KTx". These are more
intricate penalty card situations than either of these programs
address. To catch such hands, sometimes it is necessary to go to the
ADVANCED mode on WinPoker, set HARD HANDS to 0.01, and just see what
comes up.

Harry's advice is more apt when you're dealing with a new game and
you want an overall reasonable strategy. But when it comes to
discovering the fine points, WinPoker is clearly the best.

I imagine it was clear that my "sliderule" remark addressed the search
for basic strategy. When it comes to a one time opportunity
(promotion, unusual progressive meter, etc.), I'm not inclined to nail
every strategy nuance ... I want to get my butt into a chair and play

However, Bob, there's no question that WinPoker edges out other
software tools on the market when it comes to manually hammering out
highly accurate "advanced" strategies (accounting for penalty cards).
If that's what I was after, I'd be inclined to use an advanced
strategy from VPSM as a starting point, then use WinPoker to improve
upon that.

Consistent with the "frugal" concept, Frugal VP doesn't provide
strategies that factor penalty card situations. For most players,
this is a reasonable approach. But, in "Perfect Play" mode during
practice, FVP will flag a deviation from the two holds you note above.
And, if the hands are input for analysis, will produce results
identical to those in WinPoker.

That said, FVP won't lead you into the discovery of penalty card
adjustments to a strategy. There's no facility comparable to the
WinPoker "Hard Hands" feature that will generate hands in which the
best and second best holds are a fraction of a coin apart. Plus, the
hand analysis feature in WinPoker lends itself much more strongly to
discerning the differences modest hand changes make to strategy (by
allowing single click card changes followed by an immediate redisplay
of the results).

FVP has clearly been designed for the broad set of players who find
the fundamentals of play and strategy a sufficient challenege.
WinPoker is still the stand out "forensic" tool.

- Harry

[Harry_Porter]

Eric wrote:

shouldn't have outed the play

No doubt ... I'm sure there's a helicopter warming up somewhere

But seriously -- I had the impression that cruise ship progressives
were regularly reset. Even if not, certainly I'm not the only one
who's contemplated the unlikelihood of a meter reaching 5-RF stata.
Even if the meter is 1%, that's about an 8 cycle drought. (And,
again, we're to believe that the ship didn't drain that baby at some
point??)

The RF was reported as $10,000 ("at the moment"). It that's a precise
amount, I wonder if somehow it was inadvertantly fixed at that amount
by the ship ...

<wonder what steerage runs ...>

- H.

[Eric]

I think this is plausable if the meter is not reset and
under-bankrolled cruisers are taking shots. Alternately the machine
could be gaffed.

I'll leave it to someone else to figure the bankroll required to go up
against a 500 variance.

···

On 5/11/06, Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:

Eric wrote:
> shouldn't have outed the play

No doubt ... I'm sure there's a helicopter warming up somewhere

But seriously -- I had the impression that cruise ship progressives
were regularly reset. Even if not, certainly I'm not the only one
who's contemplated the unlikelihood of a meter reaching 5-RF stata.
Even if the meter is 1%, that's about an 8 cycle drought. (And,
again, we're to believe that the ship didn't drain that baby at some
point??)

The RF was reported as $10,000 ("at the moment"). It that's a precise
amount, I wonder if somehow it was inadvertantly fixed at that amount
by the ship ...

<wonder what steerage runs ...>

- H.

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[timmer]

Yeah I was going over this in my head and on paper ... it is obvious
to me that many of the changes will really never come into play
because of what I call game dymanics.

most of the lower value ones will singleton hi cards and otehrs not
mentioned the low pair one will only come up in the case you state

if you Look at the bottom of VPSM you will see some singleton HC
changes which I feel are significant.

I feel and agree with BD that WinPoker6 is a very useful tool when
doing the sort of hunt and peck discovery that surroounds some of
the more intricate penalties and changes.

thank you BOB for pushing that project it is of great value.

timmer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@...>
wrote:

Except for TT > TJQK, every other set you mentioned is mutually

exclusive, e.g. you can't have JQs 0 pen at the same time as 9QKs or
9JKs. Of course individual J, Q, or K goes up in value since 4oak
goes up for every card.

   
  Bottom line, I stand by my statement that TT > TJQK is the only

change from "regular" 9/6 JOB strategy.

timmer <timmr21@...> wrote:
  ok, low pair switches places with KQJTo

QJs 0 Pen switches places with SF2 di 2hi ie KQ9s, KJ9s

Jack, 0FL pen out does JTs any 3 pen *and* AK, AQ, AJ
Queen no pen out does KTs 0FL pen AND QTs 1FL pen also K 0FL pen
out does QTs 1 FL pen
Any KTXs thats not a di SF or better hold only K

as you can see most of the changes are of the one high card varity
and some RF2 1hi but dont thik that these changes are not

significant

singleton J and Q go way up in value as do singleton K

and dont even think about not redrawing razgoo also increases in
value a significant amount

timmer

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@>
wrote:
>
> Did you set *all* 4oak's to 250-coin? Usually it's just one card
(or 2 in the case of Wynn's current promotion). How does the
strategy for a 250-coin 4oak COD differ from the regular 125-coin
9/6 JoB strategy? As far as I know, there aren't any changes. When
it's a Ten, it probably makes a pair of Tens > unsuited TJQK, but
that's about it. Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't actually
analyzed it thoroughly.
>
> timmer <timmr21@> wrote:
> as 125 coin bonus ofr 4 of a Kind coupons have been the rage

as

of
> late I have cookbooked a stragey for 96 jacks using win poker.
>
> here it is:
>
> column #1 Column #2
> 9/6 JoB w/250 4K
> Pat Royal AKQJ
> Pat Straight Flush RF2 2hi check above
> Pat Four of a Kind 3 SF di 1hi 0 ST Pen
> 4 Royal 4 ST i 3Hi
> Pat Full House 3 SF i 0Hi
> Pat Flush 3 SF di 1hi 1 ST Pen
> Three of a Kind JTs, 0 Pen
> Pat Straight KQJ > QJ
> 4 SF any JTs 1 Fl.Pen
> Two Pair KQ, KJ 0 St.Pen
> Hi Pair JTs, <3 St.Pen
> RF 3 KQ, KJ, 1+ St.Pen
> 4 Flush 2hi QTs, 0 Fl.Pen
> AKTs,AQTs,AJTs w/2 Pen JTs, 1 ST & 1 Fl.Pen
> 4 Flush 0 or 1hi Jack, 0 Fl.Pen
> Low Pair 22-TT JTs w/ any 3 Pen
> 4 ST Open w/1+hi AK, AQ, AJ
> QJ9s, JT9s Queen, 0 Fl.Pen
> 4 ST Open w/0hi KTs, 0 Fl.Pen
> QJ8s or SF3 0hi King, 0 Fl.Pen
> QJs w/o Pen QTs 1 Fl pen
> KQ9s,KJ9s,QT9s,JT8s,J98s 1 HC A,K,Q,J
> QJs, w/ 1Pen 3 SF di 0hi
> KQs, KJs 0Pen Redraw
> QJs, Any 2Pen
>
>
> any comments or corrections that any one canf find would be
> appreciated.\
>
> you should be able to cut paste this and then fold it over the
trim
> to a pocket sized crib.
>
> I rerouted a few occurances that cant happen at the same time as
it
> reduces some of the lines
>
> timmer
>
>
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[timmer]

The palms is handing out 4oaK bonus coupons every time you cash your
paycheck there.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

John Douglass wrote:
> BTW what casino is doing this 4oak bonus?

John, as you earlier suggested, there's no casino offering a bonus

on

any 4K hit. (That promo, aside from perhaps a one-time use coupon,
and unicorns have a place in our dreams The only recent

discussion

···

(other than COD) has been the Wynn one you noted.

I wouldn't discourage timmer from his exercise. It's the type of
effort that yields some key insights into strategy and changes that
arise with modified paytables and special promotions.

However, using winpoker for it is akin to using a slide rule for
multiplication and to calculate exponents. You can learn from that
to, but there are stronger software tools for this analysis (FVP or
VPSM, e.g.)

- H.

[Mickey]

If it's sitting right on $10,000 it could be maxed out. I've seen this in
other spots. Particularly the Riverside Laughlin. Haven't been there in
four years but they had a 50 cent 6/5 Double bonus that maxed at
$10,000. The meter was super strong, I can't remember exactly but
somehwere around 5%, so it sometimes maxed out. They also had a
6/5 Jacks with a very strong meter - around 3% is the best I can
remember.

Eldorado/Reno comes to mind too. I think they have signs saying their
dollar progressives max at $10,000

But I don't trust the jurisdiction this progressive is located in - As in no
jurisdiction. The hustler in me says something is up. Why would they
leave it at that number when there is no law that says the progressive
money is in the public domain? Why would they be willing to take such
a hit? If it is gaffed they have probably made a fortune on it by now.

It needs to be monitored. But how does one monitor a progressive on
a ship?

I think this is plausable if the meter is not reset and
under-bankrolled cruisers are taking shots. Alternately the machine
could be gaffed.

I'll leave it to someone else to figure the bankroll required to go up
against a 500 variance.

> Eric wrote:
> > shouldn't have outed the play
>
> No doubt ... I'm sure there's a helicopter warming up somewhere
>
> But seriously -- I had the impression that cruise ship progressives
> were regularly reset. Even if not, certainly I'm not the only one
> who's contemplated the unlikelihood of a meter reaching 5-RF stata.
> Even if the meter is 1%, that's about an 8 cycle drought. (And,
> again, we're to believe that the ship didn't drain that baby at some
> point??)
>
> The RF was reported as $10,000 ("at the moment"). It that's a

precise

> amount, I wonder if somehow it was inadvertantly fixed at that

amount

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric <fieldcommand@...> wrote:

On 5/11/06, Harry Porter <harry.porter@...> wrote:
> by the ship ...
>
> <wonder what steerage runs ...>
>
> - H.
>
>
>
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[Mark_Marsh]

It is now at about $11,200. My observation is that of
the eight machines hooked up to it, only 3 at any one
time is actually playing full coin. A LOT of short
players (no pun intended). Thank you for the data. I
won a slot tourney on board earlier this week, so I
have unexpected $$$ to chase the impossible dream.
Cozumel was great today (did I mention the cruise was
free, too? Won it in Harrahs Ak-chin),
Mark

···

--- mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

If it's sitting right on $10,000 it could be maxed
out. I've seen this in
other spots. Particularly the Riverside Laughlin.
Haven't been there in
four years but they had a 50 cent 6/5 Double bonus
that maxed at
$10,000. The meter was super strong, I can't
remember exactly but
somehwere around 5%, so it sometimes maxed out.
They also had a
6/5 Jacks with a very strong meter - around 3% is
the best I can
remember.

Eldorado/Reno comes to mind too. I think they have
signs saying their
dollar progressives max at $10,000

But I don't trust the jurisdiction this progressive
is located in - As in no
jurisdiction. The hustler in me says something is
up. Why would they
leave it at that number when there is no law that
says the progressive
money is in the public domain? Why would they be
willing to take such
a hit? If it is gaffed they have probably made a
fortune on it by now.

It needs to be monitored. But how does one monitor
a progressive on
a ship?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Eric
<fieldcommand@...> wrote:
>
> I think this is plausable if the meter is not
reset and
> under-bankrolled cruisers are taking shots.
Alternately the machine
> could be gaffed.
>
> I'll leave it to someone else to figure the
bankroll required to go up
> against a 500 variance.
>
>
>
> On 5/11/06, Harry Porter <harry.porter@...> wrote:
> > Eric wrote:
> > > shouldn't have outed the play
> >
> > No doubt ... I'm sure there's a helicopter
warming up somewhere
> >
> > But seriously -- I had the impression that
cruise ship progressives
> > were regularly reset. Even if not, certainly
I'm not the only one
> > who's contemplated the unlikelihood of a meter
reaching 5-RF stata.
> > Even if the meter is 1%, that's about an 8 cycle
drought. (And,
> > again, we're to believe that the ship didn't
drain that baby at some
> > point??)
> >
> > The RF was reported as $10,000 ("at the
moment"). It that's a
precise
> > amount, I wonder if somehow it was inadvertantly
fixed at that
amount
> > by the ship ...
> >
> > <wonder what steerage runs ...>
> >
> > - H.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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