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$1 FPDW

#1

These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that they
had to be made public.

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:36:28 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gimmeaquad" wrote:

Since I work full time and am not a VP pro, I didn't have a chance
to write again. I want to thank the 2, yes 2 members who e-mailed
me personally about where they exist. They both promised not to
divulge the location as to where they are. I also e-mailed Jean
Scott as well and let her verify their location. I left it up to
her as to if the info should be posted.

No, I personally did not tease everybody with this info. I'll let
Jean make the call on this one since she is a trusted VP player.

The Rainbow Club in Henderson has 27 new, fast, coinless slant tops
in
the northwest corner of this neighborhood casino that have fifty cent
and $1 FPDW, 100.6% Jokers, 10/7 DB and 9/6 Jacks. The quarter deuces
are also fullpay. There are also a lot of older quarter FPDW (some 10
coin) uprights throughout the casino. No slot club, but regulars can
get food comps in their excellent coffee shop. Rainbow is owned by
Peppermill Casinos.

The Rainbow Club is next to Emerald Island, which doesn't have any
decent video poker, and Eldorado which is owned by the Boyd Group.

Eldorado has 10 quarter FPDW uprights near the Cafe, 2 quarter 10/7
DB
uprights near Tequila Falls Bar, and 3 $1 10/7 DB slant tops near the
Cafe. No slot club, but regulars can get food comps for the Cafe
(24/7) and their Mexican restaurant.

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#2

My guess is a week or two tops ... depending on cashback.

2-W

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <elliotts@j...>
wrote:

These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that

they

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had to be made public.

#3

<<These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that they
had to be made public.>>

I heard they had been played so rarely that they were in danger of being removed from "lack of play."

This is a good time to see if everyone can "be nice" and not burn them out. Although there may be just too many "good" players for such a good opportunity to last, even if everyone limits their play to reasonable session lengths.

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#4

Jean Scott wrote:

This is a good time to see if everyone can "be nice" and not burn them
out.

Oh, Jean, you sweetheart! I think you're the only person from whom I
could read that remark and know that they're not smirking as they
wrote it.

(Or are things really that incredibly more civil there than in the
back alleys of A.C.?)

- Harry

#5

I never cared to play these but did stop by a couple of times to see who was
there. The machines were very empty.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jean Scott [mailto:queenofco…@…com]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:05 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: $1 FPDW

<<These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that they
had to be made public.>>

I heard they had been played so rarely that they were in danger of being
removed from "lack of play."

This is a good time to see if everyone can "be nice" and not burn them out.
Although there may be just too many "good" players for such a good
opportunity to last, even if everyone limits their play to reasonable
session lengths.

____________________
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Order autographed book, cassette tape, and the new
   Frugal VP software at http://www.frugalgambler.biz
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#6

how many times per week do you request that other people make plays
public to you elliott?

you constantly dig, dig, dig for information on this forum and
others. hoping to score a nice juicy play to share with others in
your pro network.

now that someone else shares a play that you already knew about (but
other members of this forum did NOT know about) you get all pissy.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <elliotts@j...>
wrote:

These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that

they

had to be made public.

>
>
>
>> Since I work full time and am not a VP pro, I didn't have a

chance

>> to write again. I want to thank the 2, yes 2 members who e-

mailed

>> me personally about where they exist. They both promised not to
>> divulge the location as to where they are. I also e-mailed Jean
>> Scott as well and let her verify their location. I left it up to
>> her as to if the info should be posted.
>
>> No, I personally did not tease everybody with this info. I'll

let

>> Jean make the call on this one since she is a trusted VP player.
>
>
>The Rainbow Club in Henderson has 27 new, fast, coinless slant tops
>in
>the northwest corner of this neighborhood casino that have fifty

cent

>and $1 FPDW, 100.6% Jokers, 10/7 DB and 9/6 Jacks. The quarter

deuces

>are also fullpay. There are also a lot of older quarter FPDW (some

10

>coin) uprights throughout the casino. No slot club, but regulars

can

>get food comps in their excellent coffee shop. Rainbow is owned by
>Peppermill Casinos.
>
>The Rainbow Club is next to Emerald Island, which doesn't have any
>decent video poker, and Eldorado which is owned by the Boyd

Group.

>
>Eldorado has 10 quarter FPDW uprights near the Cafe, 2 quarter 10/7
>DB
>uprights near Tequila Falls Bar, and 3 $1 10/7 DB slant tops near

the

>Cafe. No slot club, but regulars can get food comps for the Cafe
>(24/7) and their Mexican restaurant.
>
>
>
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:36:28 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gimmeaquad" wrote:
>

#7

very true !

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----- Original Message -----
From: "W Wilson" <vivalv2001@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:50 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: $1 FPDW

how many times per week do you request that other people make plays
public to you elliott?

you constantly dig, dig, dig for information on this forum and
others. hoping to score a nice juicy play to share with others in
your pro network.

now that someone else shares a play that you already knew about (but
other members of this forum did NOT know about) you get all pissy.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <elliotts@j...>
wrote:
> These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
> interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that
they
> had to be made public.
>
>
> On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:36:28 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gimmeaquad" wrote:
> >
> >> Since I work full time and am not a VP pro, I didn't have a
chance
> >> to write again. I want to thank the 2, yes 2 members who e-
mailed
> >> me personally about where they exist. They both promised not to
> >> divulge the location as to where they are. I also e-mailed Jean
> >> Scott as well and let her verify their location. I left it up to
> >> her as to if the info should be posted.
> >
> >> No, I personally did not tease everybody with this info. I'll
let
> >> Jean make the call on this one since she is a trusted VP player.
> >
> >
> >The Rainbow Club in Henderson has 27 new, fast, coinless slant tops
> >in
> >the northwest corner of this neighborhood casino that have fifty
cent
> >and $1 FPDW, 100.6% Jokers, 10/7 DB and 9/6 Jacks. The quarter
deuces
> >are also fullpay. There are also a lot of older quarter FPDW (some
10
> >coin) uprights throughout the casino. No slot club, but regulars
can
> >get food comps in their excellent coffee shop. Rainbow is owned by
> >Peppermill Casinos.
> >
> >The Rainbow Club is next to Emerald Island, which doesn't have any
> >decent video poker, and Eldorado which is owned by the Boyd
Group.
> >
> >Eldorado has 10 quarter FPDW uprights near the Cafe, 2 quarter 10/7
> >DB
> >uprights near Tequila Falls Bar, and 3 $1 10/7 DB slant tops near
the
> >Cafe. No slot club, but regulars can get food comps for the Cafe
> >(24/7) and their Mexican restaurant.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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#8

All I want is a smoke-free casino some where. Far away from the hot dry air. Just a 25 cent slant top with FPDW. Wouldn't it be loverly?

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#9

now that someone else shares a play that you already >knew about (but

other members of this forum did NOT >know about) you get all pissy.

Point of order, sir. I could not find a definition for the word pissy in my
Webster's New World Dictionary. Perhaps you could enlighten us on its
meaning. In case you have deleted the original post from Elliot, here it is
in it's entirety:
"These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that they
had to be made public."
Anyone see any urine in this post? I didn't. All I see is an announcement of
the tenure of the game and an opinion on it's future existence. Your post,
however, did trigger something in a deep crevice in the back of my brain, so
I took a little look. It would appear that you have made eight or nine posts
total during your time as a member, and two of those were verbal lashings
directed toward Elliot. Now you have a third one blasting the same member.
Just to be fair, I took a look at eight recent postings from Elliot, JUST
FROM THIS MONTH ALONE, June of 2003. Before you read these, keep in mind
that Elliot is the person that you are accusing of dig,dig, digging the
board for juicy information.
FROM ELLIOT:
Msg.# 17163- Answer to a question from a member on where to find the May-Jun
coupon book from Terrible's
Msg.# 17127- Suggestion to a member regarding how to set up Winpoker in
response to his question on practicing Sam's Deuces.
Msg. # 16796-Answered a question from a member on the actual existence and
location of the FPDW at Palace Station.
Msg. #16756-Suggested a rule of thumb formula to figure real estate taxes in
LV to a member who may be moving here.
Msg. #16754- Offered info. on playing opportunities at Casablanca and Oasis
casinos in Mesquite to a member who was planning to visit there.
Msg. #16556-Announced to the entire membership the removal of 10/7 DB and
the NSUD progressive at the Hard Rock
Msg. #16355-Warned members of a possible computer glitch on point
accumulation at Texas, Boulder, and Sunset Station.
Msg. #16351-A good solid opinion on the exact situation we are in now
regarding the $ FPDW. Anyone who missed this may want to read it now.
These are just SOME of the posts that he has made THIS month. After reading
these posts, how can you make the accusation that you did? Is he a pro? You
damn right he is, a PROfoundly nice gentleman that I am proud to call a
friend. I think that the only other thing that I can say is, Your Honor, the
defense rests.
                                                  Nudge

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From: "W Wilson" <vivalv2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: $1 FPDW

#10

Point of order, sir. I could not find a definition for the word

pissy in my

Webster's New World Dictionary. Perhaps you could enlighten us on

its

meaning.

sorry for the use of slang, SIR. I will be sure to consult websters
prior to every post

Just to be fair, I took a look at eight recent postings from

Elliot, JUST

FROM THIS MONTH ALONE, June of 2003. Before you read these, keep in

mind

that Elliot is the person that you are accusing of dig,dig, digging

the

board for juicy information.

yes, elliott makes some educational-type posts. however only ONE post
was reporting full pay (and it would not look to be worth a pro's
time anyway).

the dig, dig, digging for playable opportunities I referred to. here
are just SOME of the posts IN JUST THE LAST TWO WEEKS (i would go
back a month, but i think these will make the point)

17126 after reports of fpvp at www, wanting to know all the details.
17036 wanting to know how much bounceback harrahs sends
17012 wanting to know how many fpdw at barleys
16987 wanting to know what + machines people play at harrahs
16887 wanting to know what the bounceback requirements are at the
palms
16886 wanting to know about treasure chest to see if it's +
16836 wanting to know the location of the reported 9/6 jb prog at
the mirage

these posts, how can you make the accusation that you did?

see above

I am proud to call a friend.

and a member of the pro network, im sure.

I think that the only other thing that I can say is, Your Honor, the
defense rests.

we will be sure to keep that in mind.

if someone wants to constantly try to get info on playable
opportunities more power to them, but don't get all crispy (sorry,
more slang there) when someone posts one that you never posted to the
group.

#11

It is my valued judgement that the writer W. Wilson, is a casino
executive.
Be aware that this group is being monitored by what many feel is the
enemy.

Be careful of what you say, because it may bounce back and bite you.

···

On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 23:50:03 -0000, you wrote:

how many times per week do you request that other people make plays
public to you elliott?

you constantly dig, dig, dig for information on this forum and
others. hoping to score a nice juicy play to share with others in
your pro network.

now that someone else shares a play that you already knew about (but
other members of this forum did NOT know about) you get all pissy.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <elliotts@j...>
wrote:

These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that

they

had to be made public.

On Sun, 22 Jun 2003 23:36:28 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>
>
>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gimmeaquad" wrote:
>
>> Since I work full time and am not a VP pro, I didn't have a

chance

>> to write again. I want to thank the 2, yes 2 members who e-

mailed

>> me personally about where they exist. They both promised not to
>> divulge the location as to where they are. I also e-mailed Jean
>> Scott as well and let her verify their location. I left it up to
>> her as to if the info should be posted.
>
>> No, I personally did not tease everybody with this info. I'll

let

>> Jean make the call on this one since she is a trusted VP player.
>
>
>The Rainbow Club in Henderson has 27 new, fast, coinless slant tops
>in
>the northwest corner of this neighborhood casino that have fifty

cent

>and $1 FPDW, 100.6% Jokers, 10/7 DB and 9/6 Jacks. The quarter

deuces

>are also fullpay. There are also a lot of older quarter FPDW (some

10

>coin) uprights throughout the casino. No slot club, but regulars

can

>get food comps in their excellent coffee shop. Rainbow is owned by
>Peppermill Casinos.
>
>The Rainbow Club is next to Emerald Island, which doesn't have any
>decent video poker, and Eldorado which is owned by the Boyd

Group.

>
>Eldorado has 10 quarter FPDW uprights near the Cafe, 2 quarter 10/7
>DB
>uprights near Tequila Falls Bar, and 3 $1 10/7 DB slant tops near

the

>Cafe. No slot club, but regulars can get food comps for the Cafe
>(24/7) and their Mexican restaurant.
>
>
>
>
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#12

Elliott L. Shapiro wrote:

It is my valued judgement that the writer W. Wilson, is a casino
executive.

Maybe casino "wannabe" executive?

- H.

#13

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <elliotts@j...>
wrote:

It is my valued judgement that the writer W. Wilson, is a casino
executive.

nice attempt to attempt to discredit me, but i am not on any casinos
payroll. i am a casual advantage player locally here in lv.

Be aware that this group is being monitored by what many feel is the
enemy.

now that you did make such an accusation, let us examine it.

who really IS the enemy? how about those that work both sides of the
fence, ala the bob dancers jean scotts and the other so called casino
consultants of the world.

they sell their vp products one day telling players how to win and
turn around and sell consulting information to the casinos on how to
limit their exposure to advantage players the next. again, if they
are successful doing this, more power to them. wish i would have
thought of it. a wonderful idea.

until books like bob's, jean's, max rubin's and others, many of the
casino executives were blind to how they were being fleeced. add on
the consulting they are now receiving and you can now see that they
are becoming educuted.

Be careful of what you say, because it may bounce back and bite you.

are you sure of that statement? it may keep someone from divulging
valuable information to both members of the group and your pro
network.

#14

I went by at 11am this morning. Most of the machines were empty with the
exception of a nickel VP and a keno player. I only know of about 20
machines, though. Maybe the other 10 were packed with pros! :slight_smile:

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-----Original Message-----
From: Randy C [mailto:ran…@…net]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 2:53 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: $1 FPDW

I never cared to play these but did stop by a couple of times to see who was
there. The machines were very empty.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean Scott [mailto:queenofco…@…com]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:05 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: $1 FPDW

<<These machines have been there for about 6 weeks. It will be
interesting to see how long they last now that someone felt that they
had to be made public.>>

I heard they had been played so rarely that they were in danger of being
removed from "lack of play."

This is a good time to see if everyone can "be nice" and not burn them out.
Although there may be just too many "good" players for such a good
opportunity to last, even if everyone limits their play to reasonable
session lengths.

____________________
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#15

If you are truly an advantage player, then you should be attempting to
befriend me rather than attacking me.

I have been discribed as a consumate pro. Aware of much that is
around me and able to play and oftimes win,

Have never denied knowledge when anyone has written asking for
information and has never refused to help another.

What;s your gripe?

I do what you do but it appears that I do it better. If you need
help, ask, and it may be provided.

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:05:50 -0000, you wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elliott L. Shapiro <elliotts@j...>
wrote:

It is my valued judgement that the writer W. Wilson, is a casino
executive.

nice attempt to attempt to discredit me, but i am not on any casinos
payroll. i am a casual advantage player locally here in lv.

Be aware that this group is being monitored by what many feel is the
enemy.

now that you did make such an accusation, let us examine it.

who really IS the enemy? how about those that work both sides of the
fence, ala the bob dancers jean scotts and the other so called casino
consultants of the world.

they sell their vp products one day telling players how to win and
turn around and sell consulting information to the casinos on how to
limit their exposure to advantage players the next. again, if they
are successful doing this, more power to them. wish i would have
thought of it. a wonderful idea.

until books like bob's, jean's, max rubin's and others, many of the
casino executives were blind to how they were being fleeced. add on
the consulting they are now receiving and you can now see that they
are becoming educuted.

Be careful of what you say, because it may bounce back and bite you.

are you sure of that statement? it may keep someone from divulging
valuable information to both members of the group and your pro
network.

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#16

Since anyone can join vpFREE and other forums by using an alias or a
friend's name, we should expect casino executives to monitor the VP
internet forums. I certainly would if I were in their shoes.

I know there are some casino lurkers on vpFREE, and the Lodestone News
cover page mentions four casinos known to monitor that site.

Advantage VP players are, and should be, very concerned about saving
advantage VP opportunities, but IMO the casinos aren't (or shouldn't be)
our enemy. They should/could view advantage players as loss leaders,
and heavily promote our existence and the beatability of positive VP, to
exponentially increase the universe of VP enthusiasts, most of whom will
never play with an edge. Personally, I want casinos to do well, so that
they can afford to host my VP playing, and subsidize my monthly income.

I welcome a casino presence on vpFREE, because I believe that their exposure
to our ideas and preferences can be beneficial to us and to them. I would
also welcome their active participation on vpFREE, which would provide a two
way channel of communications.

vpFREE Administrator

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On 24 Jun 2003 at 8:29, Elliott L. Shapiro wrote:

Be aware that this group is being monitored by what many feel is the
enemy.

Be careful of what you say, because it may bounce back and bite you.

#17

vp_FREE wrote:

I would also welcome their active participation on vpFREE, which
would provide a two way channel of communications.

Not only would such participation be welcomed, but to an extent it
would be incumbent upon them to share their knowledge and insights as
any other member does.

The players on this group run a pretty wide gamut. There indeed are
more than a couple of players here who would strip a place bare if the
opportunity presented itself. But the greater proportion of players
here sincerely desire to have a constructive relationship with the
casinos at which they play. Paramount in their desires is to possess
a strong grasp of what benefits are available to them as players.
That's what makes a casino relationship well-defined and satisfying.

Frustrating are the card desk reps and player hosts who use vague
phrasing to suggest what comps might be extended. Words such as,
"well, you're not quite there", "that's something I can't really help
you with", "I can't really help you on this one because you haven't
lost much this trip", etc. serve only to frustrate the player.

The recent move by Park Place to shift much of their discretionary
comp allowance into a fixed account that the player "carries" with
them was a brilliant move that will generate tremendous good will.

Casino player management involvement in this group if conducted in a
constructive manner has a strong potential to produce good. Some of
the most loyal and intelligent members of their player base are here.
Treat them with respect and casino management will get some extremely
valuable feedback.

- Harry

#18

Call me suspicious, but this approach seems tantamount to telling the
casinos "feel more than free to take our money, as long as you're
nice while doing so". Of course, I don't want to have an acrimonious
relationship with a casino, and I feel that I should be able to
expect good service if only because I'm RISKING my money (yes, to all
the casino execs out there, even when the infinite-term-scenario
dictates things should look good for me, things could be much
different within the frame of a visit, week, month, year, or even
lifetime) while I'm playing. However, I'm not sure if we (the people
who know or at least putting out effort in order to figure out the
ins and outs of comp programs) are the ones who want to pay the
potential costs of letting Steve Wynn stay the night :wink: I guess if
we want to take the position of "if we tell you how you could better
us, and therefore the other 99.5% of your customer base (resulting in
LOTS of profits for you), it would behoove you to have some games we
would want to play and not get snippy when we do well at them", then
I guess that might not be so bad, but I don't know if the casinos
would be so willing to play ball that way... again, call me
suspicious :wink:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

vp_FREE wrote:
> I would also welcome their active participation on vpFREE, which
> would provide a two way channel of communications.

Not only would such participation be welcomed, but to an extent it
would be incumbent upon them to share their knowledge and insights

as

any other member does.

The players on this group run a pretty wide gamut. There indeed are
more than a couple of players here who would strip a place bare if

the

opportunity presented itself. But the greater proportion of players
here sincerely desire to have a constructive relationship with the
casinos at which they play. Paramount in their desires is to

possess

a strong grasp of what benefits are available to them as players.
That's what makes a casino relationship well-defined and satisfying.

Frustrating are the card desk reps and player hosts who use vague
phrasing to suggest what comps might be extended. Words such as,
"well, you're not quite there", "that's something I can't really

help

you with", "I can't really help you on this one because you haven't
lost much this trip", etc. serve only to frustrate the player.

The recent move by Park Place to shift much of their discretionary
comp allowance into a fixed account that the player "carries" with
them was a brilliant move that will generate tremendous good will.

Casino player management involvement in this group if conducted in a
constructive manner has a strong potential to produce good. Some of
the most loyal and intelligent members of their player base are

here.

Treat them with respect and casino management will get some

extremely

···

valuable feedback.

- Harry

#19

Forgive me for replying to my own post so quickly, but where it
says "better us" it should read "better serve us"... I wouldn't have
made this self-edit, but I felt leaving it the way it was could have
led to people being confused about what I was trying to say :slight_smile:

Call me suspicious, but this approach seems tantamount to telling

the

casinos "feel more than free to take our money, as long as you're
nice while doing so". Of course, I don't want to have an

acrimonious

relationship with a casino, and I feel that I should be able to
expect good service if only because I'm RISKING my money (yes, to

all

the casino execs out there, even when the infinite-term-scenario
dictates things should look good for me, things could be much
different within the frame of a visit, week, month, year, or even
lifetime) while I'm playing. However, I'm not sure if we (the

people

who know or at least putting out effort in order to figure out the
ins and outs of comp programs) are the ones who want to pay the
potential costs of letting Steve Wynn stay the night :wink: I guess if
we want to take the position of "if we tell you how you could

better

us, and therefore the other 99.5% of your customer base (resulting

in

LOTS of profits for you), it would behoove you to have some games

we

would want to play and not get snippy when we do well at them",

then

I guess that might not be so bad, but I don't know if the casinos
would be so willing to play ball that way... again, call me
suspicious :wink:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:
> vp_FREE wrote:
> > I would also welcome their active participation on vpFREE,

which

> > would provide a two way channel of communications.
>
> Not only would such participation be welcomed, but to an extent it
> would be incumbent upon them to share their knowledge and

insights

as
> any other member does.
>
> The players on this group run a pretty wide gamut. There indeed

are

> more than a couple of players here who would strip a place bare

if

the
> opportunity presented itself. But the greater proportion of

players

> here sincerely desire to have a constructive relationship with the
> casinos at which they play. Paramount in their desires is to
possess
> a strong grasp of what benefits are available to them as players.
> That's what makes a casino relationship well-defined and

satisfying.

>
> Frustrating are the card desk reps and player hosts who use vague
> phrasing to suggest what comps might be extended. Words such as,
> "well, you're not quite there", "that's something I can't really
help
> you with", "I can't really help you on this one because you

haven't

> lost much this trip", etc. serve only to frustrate the player.
>
> The recent move by Park Place to shift much of their discretionary
> comp allowance into a fixed account that the player "carries" with
> them was a brilliant move that will generate tremendous good will.
>
> Casino player management involvement in this group if conducted

in a

> constructive manner has a strong potential to produce good. Some

of

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bjork73" <bjork73@c...> wrote:

> the most loyal and intelligent members of their player base are
here.
> Treat them with respect and casino management will get some
extremely
> valuable feedback.
>
> - Harry

#20

bjork73 wrote:

Call me suspicious, but this approach seems tantamount to telling the
casinos "feel more than free to take our money, as long as you're
nice while doing so".

You'd prefer they were rude while doing so? :slight_smile:

My point was simply that since it appears there are casino industry
"observers" here, that we might as well use this as an opportunity for
some two-way communication where we, as members, have to chance to
direct some very pointed feedback their way.

I'm not sure what you envision would be offered up that they wouldn't
more or less already be aware of from the monitoring of this group.
It just creates the potential for some productive discussion.

Of course, I have my doubts about the caliber of the casino personnel
who would take the time to troll around here. I suspect we don't even
rate the occasional floor manager, but more likely a peon "management
wannabe" who's hoping to latch onto some hot info here to offer up to
his/her bosses.

- Harry