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Zero Cust.. Ser. at Sam's Town LV

I feel like Peter Faulk as Colombo, for those of you old enough to remember
that show.

Now you had free play. This was free. You were under no obligation to take
part in what was being given to you for free. Then, you elected to play the
free play on a very good full play game. Then, after doing nothing other
than taking advantage of everything offered to you in every way possible,
you decided to complain about this on the forum. Is that accurate?

In a message dated 4/10/2016 12:29:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

I think that all the members of this group should agree that whenever we
are playing in a casino, and a situation arises that we need assistance from
a casino employee, our needs should be addressed promptly. At Boyd Gaming
properties in general, service seems to be slipping badly, but today I want
to focus on one of their nine properties in the LV area in particular, Sam’
s Town. This has been my “home” Boyd casino for many, many years, before
B-Connected, before Prime Rewards, and in fact before slot club period, as
tourists before we moved here. A number of the employees at Sam’s Town have
told me that around 10 years ago, around 140 CSR’s(customer service
representatives) were working across three shifts, day, swing, and graveyard.. If
you were to inquire as to the total number today, you will hear that the
sum of these designated customer helpers is 36 or 38, depending on who you
ask. Taking the low number of 36, you might conjecture that an average of 12
for each of the shifts is not too bad. Here is the truth. On Boyd Gaming’s
website you can find the Sam’s Town Fact Sheet, that clearly states that
the size of the gaming floor is 133,000 square feet. This likely does not
count the 400 or 500 sq. ft. that is a new non smoking corner in the location
formerly occupied by Bogart’s Leather, the now gone luggage store. Also,
what is not stated is that this gaming floor is spread out over two stories,
not one. I have been told recently, again by a Sam’s employee that I will
NOT name, that on the day shift, which here is 10 a.m. to 6 p.m., it is not
uncommon to have one or two lead CSR’s and two or three regular ones to
service all players on two floors. This is beyond ridiculous. I would usually
say here, “What the hell were they thinking”, when upper manglement
thought this would work, but it should be obvious that thinking was not even
remotely involved in this decision. The highly qualified work horse CSR’s bust
their ass all day long and delays are definitely not their fault but it is
the fault of the cheap tightwad management in place at this operation. For
those that are not aware of how it operates here, when a player turns on
the change light, the candle atop the machine lights and sends a signal to
dispatch. A real person at a CSR station gets on the radio to broadcast to
the team the bank location where service is needed. The CSR who responds to
dispatch will put the call on their list, but you might be three or four
down on the list, after those in front of you. I’ll give a recent personal
example. The wife and I were done playing and I went to the TWO remaining FPDW
machines in the building to run some mailer free play through. (I guess Sam
’s felt two were better than the 10 they had, so they removed 8, never
mind that Boulder Station just down the road has 14 of them in their casino) I
do the free play on the deuces game on a separate ticket, as my wife likes
to track this apart from regular play to easily total what we keep over
time. Ran it through, hit cash out button, and up pops the message stating “
printer not responding”. I had seen this pop up several times for a few
weeks prior to this incident, so after being informed, why would the techs not
repair or replace the printer? Answer is likely money related. As I
wandered in close proximity to the machine looking for help, one of the sweetheart
cocktail servers that I have known for years stops to jokingly ask me if I
was lost, while laughing. I pointed to the light and told her that I was
trying to spot one of the few CSR’s to help, as we had dinner reservations
at a restaurant not at Sam’s. She said that, before she made her announcing
rounds, she would scour the back end of the building and be right back.
Meanwhile, I stuck close to the machine while my wife stalked from the buffet
all the way back to the slot club. Both of them had no success. Finally,
one of the harried CSR’s showed up, and after a grueling 15 or 20 seconds of
her work, the good news is I had my ticket. The bad news is that this
ordeal lasted 23 minutes from start to finish. So, my bottom line advice to you
is that if prompt customer service is important to you, you may want to
consider another place to play. One of my favorite old sayings has always been
“this is an accident waiting to happen”, but I can’t use that one in this
context, as the new and improved Sam’s Town is an accident that has
already occurred. If you are reading this and you are an out of town tourist and
are considering Sam’s Town as an off strip locals type destination, be
forewarned that this AIN’T your daddy’s Sam’s Town no more.
Nudge

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Some people just don't get it. Doesn't matter if it's free play or not, a casino needs to take care of customers or they'll lose them to another casino. Sam's offered free play to customer's in an effort to get them in their casino and keep them there, so they need to service those customers if they want them to come back. Why do some people on forums need to always criticize others when they're trying to help? I bet most wouldn't if it was face to face!

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From: "Countgr8@aol.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Zero Cust.. Ser. at Sam's Town LV
   
I feel like Peter Faulk as Colombo, for those of you old enough to remember
that show.

Now you had free play. This was free. You were under no obligation to take
part in what was being given to you for free. Then, you elected to play the
free play on a very good full play game. Then, after doing nothing other
than taking advantage of everything offered to you in every way possible,
you decided to complain about this on the forum. Is that accurate?

In a message dated 4/10/2016 12:29:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
vpFREE@yahoogroups.com writes:

I think that all the members of this group should agree that whenever we
are playing in a casino, and a situation arises that we need assistance from
a casino employee, our needs should be addressed promptly. At Boyd Gaming
properties in general, service seems to be slipping badly, but today I want
to focus on one of their nine properties in the LV area in particular, Sam’
s Town. This has been my “home” Boyd casino for many, many years, before
B-Connected, before Prime Rewards, and in fact before slot club period, as
tourists before we moved here. A number of the employees at Sam’s Town have
told me that around 10 years ago, around 140 CSR’s(customer service
representatives) were working across three shifts, day, swing, and graveyard.. If
you were to inquire as to the total number today, you will hear that the
sum of these designated customer helpers is 36 or 38, depending on who you
ask. Taking the low number of 36, you might conjecture that an average of 12
for each of the shifts is not too bad. Here is the truth. On Boyd Gaming’s
website you can find the Sam’s Town Fact Sheet, that clearly states that
the size of the gaming floor is 133,000 square feet. This likely does not
count the 400 or 500 sq. ft. that is a new non smoking corner in the location
formerly occupied by Bogart’s Leather, the now gone luggage store. Also,
what is not stated is that this gaming floor is spread out over two stories,
not one. I have been told recently, again by a Sam’s employee that I will
NOT name, that on the day shift, which here is 10 a.m. to 6 p.m., it is not
uncommon to have one or two lead CSR’s and two or three regular ones to
service all players on two floors. This is beyond ridiculous. I would usually
say here, “What the hell were they thinking”, when upper manglement
thought this would work, but it should be obvious that thinking was not even
remotely involved in this decision. The highly qualified work horse CSR’s bust
their ass all day long and delays are definitely not their fault but it is
the fault of the cheap tightwad management in place at this operation. For
those that are not aware of how it operates here, when a player turns on
the change light, the candle atop the machine lights and sends a signal to
dispatch. A real person at a CSR station gets on the radio to broadcast to
the team the bank location where service is needed. The CSR who responds to
dispatch will put the call on their list, but you might be three or four
down on the list, after those in front of you. I’ll give a recent personal
example. The wife and I were done playing and I went to the TWO remaining FPDW
machines in the building to run some mailer free play through. (I guess Sam
’s felt two were better than the 10 they had, so they removed 8, never
mind that Boulder Station just down the road has 14 of them in their casino) I
do the free play on the deuces game on a separate ticket, as my wife likes
to track this apart from regular play to easily total what we keep over
time. Ran it through, hit cash out button, and up pops the message stating “
printer not responding”. I had seen this pop up several times for a few
weeks prior to this incident, so after being informed, why would the techs not
repair or replace the printer? Answer is likely money related. As I
wandered in close proximity to the machine looking for help, one of the sweetheart
cocktail servers that I have known for years stops to jokingly ask me if I
was lost, while laughing. I pointed to the light and told her that I was
trying to spot one of the few CSR’s to help, as we had dinner reservations
at a restaurant not at Sam’s. She said that, before she made her announcing
rounds, she would scour the back end of the building and be right back.
Meanwhile, I stuck close to the machine while my wife stalked from the buffet
all the way back to the slot club. Both of them had no success. Finally,
one of the harried CSR’s showed up, and after a grueling 15 or 20 seconds of
her work, the good news is I had my ticket. The bad news is that this
ordeal lasted 23 minutes from start to finish. So, my bottom line advice to you
is that if prompt customer service is important to you, you may want to
consider another place to play. One of my favorite old sayings has always been
“this is an accident waiting to happen”, but I can’t use that one in this
context, as the new and improved Sam’s Town is an accident that has
already occurred. If you are reading this and you are an out of town tourist and
are considering Sam’s Town as an off strip locals type destination, be
forewarned that this AIN’T your daddy’s Sam’s Town no more.
Nudge

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I beg to differ, but it seems to me that "Nudge" is the one who doesn't get it. Has anyone stopped to think that if this property were more on the ball they might have given Nudge the boot a long time ago? As one can tell by the fact that he chose one of the two FPDW machines to run his free play through, his philosophy is apparently to give ice in the winter time. All take and no give is not going to cut it in today's casino/video poker environment.

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <andyk711@...> wrote :

Some people just don't get it. Doesn't matter if it's free play or not, a casino needs to take care of customers or they'll lose them to another casino. Sam's offered free play to customer's in an effort to get them in their casino and keep them there, so they need to service those customers if they want them to come back. Why do some people on forums need to always criticize others when they're trying to help? I bet most wouldn't if it was face to face!

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You can beg all you want but you need to get real. Casino's have enough advantage over customers and we should take every advantage we can when playing in a casino. But his story really doesn't have anything to do with what machine he plays or how much money he spends in a casino, it has to do with customer service. We all are customers and deserve to be treated as such. Maybe he's whining a bit about a 23 minute wait but his point is that casino's need to be more aware of customer needs and not sacrifice those needs to save a buck. We all realize that casinos are in business to make money but they won't be in business long if they don't take care of their customers.

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From: "bobbartop@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Zero Cust.. Ser. at Sam's Town LV
   
I beg to differ, but it seems to me that "Nudge" is the one who doesn't get it. Has anyone stopped to think that if this property were more on the ball they might have given Nudge the boot a long time ago? As one can tell by the fact that he chose one of the two FPDW machines to run his free play through, his philosophy is apparently to give ice in the winter time. All take and no give is not going to cut it in today's casino/video poker environment.

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <andyk711@...> wrote :

Some people just don't get it. Doesn't matter if it's free play or not, a casino needs to take care of customers or they'll lose them to another casino. Sam's offered free play to customer's in an effort to get them in their casino and keep them there, so they need to service those customers if they want them to come back. Why do some people on forums need to always criticize others when they're trying to help? I bet most wouldn't if it was face to face!

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You're absolutely right. What casinos need is MORE customers like Nudge.

Sam's Town actually inconvenienced him while he makes his living picking their carcass like carrion. The nerve! He should demand an apology from them.

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <andyk711@...> wrote :

We all realize that casinos are in business to make money but they won't be in business long if they don't take care of their customers.

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nudge51 said: "The wife and I were done playing and I went to the TWO remaining FPDW machines in the building to run some mailer free play through."

Kinda freaked out that some jumped on him about just running his free play through on the DW machines when he and his wife clearly played based on his statement above. He also said his wife likes to keep track of just the free play separately.

Did he really deserve to be skewered?

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First of all, Count, R.I.F.. If you are old enough, you should realize that it stands for Reading Is Fundamental. You whiffed completely on understanding the content of this post. Let me cover a few points. First of all, the word free should rarely be associated with a casino to begin with. I used the term free play because it is the accepted phrase that our members will understand. Your “under no obligation” comment seems to indicate that you would recommend that players who are lucky enough to receive a mailer from a casino that is offering a miniscule portion of said casino’s bankroll for a player to use, the player should decline. Is my assumption accurate? I may be wrong, but I think most of our members are aware of the term full “pay”, but I am not sure they will know the meaning of full “play”. I do fully concentrate when I play. I do fully enjoy it when I play, but I am not sure what a full play machine is. I am always eager to learn new things, so perhaps you would like to offer some of your extensive knowledge to all of us. You are mistaken about me doing nothing that day, and I touched on it in my post. I should clarify that when I stated that “after the wife and I were done playing” meant that our four hour play period was over, her on a $ jacks progressive, and me on a quarter 9-7 DB brain eater progressive. This was more a less a typical day for us, one of the 20 days we average playing out of every month of the year. We wind up doing just shy of a million dollars in play per year at Sam’s Town. So, I guess I would have to politely disagree with the assertion that you made in your last sentence that I was doing nothing. Could you possibly fill our group members in on all that was offered to me by this casino? I would like to compare it to my copies of mailers stating what they did actually offer to determine if you are in fact, psychic. You seemed to indicate there are many ways casinos can offer many things. If you could be generous enough to share all of these ways that are possible for us to get goodies from a casino, I think it would be of great benefit to the group. I surely can’t see anywhere in my post that I complained about getting a little slice of the casino’s bankroll to use as my buy in, but I defer to your judgment there. I surely did think that the post was exactly related to my subject line, and totally focused on lack of customer service. Perhaps I am in error.
                                                                                                                   Nudge

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-----Original Message-----
From: Countgr8@aol.com [vpFREE]
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 12:39 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Zero Cust.. Ser. at Sam's Town LV

I feel like Peter Faulk as Colombo, for those of you old enough to remember
that show.

Now you had free play. This was free. You were under no obligation to take
part in what was being given to you for free. Then, you elected to play the
free play on a very good full play game. Then, after doing nothing other
than taking advantage of everything offered to you in every way possible,
you decided to complain about this on the forum. Is that accurate?

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A person in Nudge's position should avoid the two FPDW machines like the plague. If he's smart. I don't know if he is, let's ask him.

Another thing that comes to mind is a few months ago he posted another 10,000 word treasure complaining about how he always gets 5X and 6X Wednesday multipliers while everyone else gets 30X and 50X. And it's just not fair.

Maybe now we know why he and his wife get such small multipliers. duh!

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, <justmare111@...> wrote :

nudge51 said: "The wife and I were done playing and I went to the TWO remaining FPDW machines in the building to run some mailer free play through."

Kinda freaked out that some jumped on him about just running his free play through on the DW machines when he and his wife clearly played based on his statement above. He also said his wife likes to keep track of just the free play separately.

Did he really deserve to be skewered?

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