I was standing behind someone using the ATM and waiting to use it but it was taking that person who was taller and wider than me several attempts. I guess I moved to the side to see what the problem was and she turned around and yelled in my face - STEP BACK SO YOU CAN'T SEE MY PIN - I was amazed and just stood there looking at her - then she repeated it again and then moved way back. She finally left and I used the ATM - but she came up behind me and said "now I know your PIN". I said "who cares" - altho she left so quickly I don't think she heard me. I am only a 5' tall petite person and there was no way I could see her PIN and I really wasn't attempting to see it - maybe she doesn't know that you need the card as well as the PIN in order to utilize it. I thought of saying "something" but decided saying "nothing" was the best way to go - just in case she decided to "deck me". Give me your thoughts as I'm still in shock.
Yelling in my Face
She probably had been losing and going to the ATM was an extremely stressfull event for her. There is no doubt, as probably many of us can testify to, that sometimes our entire deameanor and personalities take a temporary turn for the worst when we have been on a losing streak. If she has no such excuse, then she as other deep seated personal problems that she took out on you....don't take it personal....next time tell her to get
Life Lock for her mouth!!
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--- On Tue, 10/13/09, rossx_98 <rossx_98@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was standing behind someone using the ATM and waiting to use it but it was >>taking that person who was taller and wider than me several attempts. I guess >>I moved to the side to see what the problem was and she turned around and >>yelled in my face - STEP BACK SO YOU CAN'T SEE MY PIN - I thought of saying "something" but decided saying "nothing" was the best way to go - just in >>case she decided to "deck me". Give me your thoughts as I'm still in shock.
If she yelled in your face twice, I agree she went a little overboard. She may have recently read an article about identity theft or the like. On the other hand, I do think it is rude to try and look at the screen when someone else is using an ATM.
A slightly different scenario. I play a fair amount of high denomination video poker. It annoys me when people look around me to see the value of a ticket I am cashing and draw attention by making remarks about the amount. I try to block the screen from sight until the dollar amount disappears.
Well there is some people now with dummy cards that come right after people and use their pin numbers to withdraw money. I am not sure how it works but here is the bay area it is happening all the time. She just got nervous. Don't worry about it.
She should of taken lest time and if she was having problems she should of stepped a side to let you go. Just take it a she was having a bad day. She might of not had any money and was freaking out. Take it from me no big deal. 
. I thought of saying "something" but decided saying "nothing" was the best way to go - just in case she decided to "deck me". Give me your thoughts as I'm still in shock.
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This is happening, but not in the way described by tlrookwood.
A 'dummy' card using someone's PIN is useless because it does not have the
data from the original card.
However....
One way crooks *can* steal money using and ATM is called skimming. Crooks
attach their own card scanner onto an ATM where the card goes into
the slot. When a victim's card is inserted, the crook's scanner stores
the data from the card’s magnetic strip. A tiny camera is hidden above the
ATM to record the secret PIN being entered. Now, the crooks have the card
info *and* the PIN.
It's hard for me to believe that an ATM inside a casino would be venerable
to this kind of modification without anyone noticing.
Curtis
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On 10/13/09, tlrookwood <tlcraig1@msn.com> wrote:
Well there is some people now with dummy cards that come right after people
and use their pin numbers to withdraw money. I am not sure how it works but
here is the bay area it is happening all the time.
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Thank you Curtis. I was not really sure how they did this. Thank you again.
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: LGTVegas@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:46:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Yelling in my FaceThis is happening, but not in the way described by tlrookwood.
A 'dummy' card using someone's PIN is useless because it does not have the
data from the original card.However....
One way crooks *can* steal money using and ATM is called skimming. Crooks
attach their own card scanner onto an ATM where the card goes into
the slot. When a victim's card is inserted, the crook's scanner stores
the data from the card’s magnetic strip. A tiny camera is hidden above the
ATM to record the secret PIN being entered. Now, the crooks have the card
info *and* the PIN.It's hard for me to believe that an ATM inside a casino would be venerable
to this kind of modification without anyone noticing.Curtis
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> Well there is some people now with dummy cards that come right after people
> and use their pin numbers to withdraw money. I am not sure how it works but
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On 10/13/09, tlrookwood <tlcraig1@msn.com> wrote:
There are also more low tech ways for thieves to get in. For example, often times people do not fully exit after finishing their transaction. If this happens, the next person just hits "withdraw" and the atm asks for a password as a security measure...but if the thief had observed the password they would be in.
This was happening a while back at Grand Central Terminal in NY. The atm was below some stairs...the thief stood on the stairs and could see people entering their pin. Apparently in the rush to catch their train (or full pay vp machine) many people were not fully completing their transactions, and the thief would swoop in.
I sincerely doubt that it is possible to leave an ATM (after using it) with
your card in your possession and have someone come up and continue with
any transactions on your account, especially withdrawing money. Once the
card is removed from the machine, the current sessions is over and there can
be no more transactions without reinserting the card.
However....
If a person forgets to end their ATM session and they walk away without
taking their ATM card out of the machine....then, I guess it's possible for
someone else to come up and continue the same session with another
transaction.
Curtis
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On 10/13/09, jeffffffs <jeffffffs@yahoo.com> wrote:
There are also more low tech ways for thieves to get in. For example,
often times people do not fully exit after finishing their transaction. If
this happens, the next person just hits "withdraw" and the atm asks for a
password as a security measure...but if the thief had observed the password
they would be in.This was happening a while back at Grand Central Terminal in NY. The atm
was below some stairs...the thief stood on the stairs and could see people
entering their pin. Apparently in the rush to catch their train (or full pay
vp machine) many people were not fully completing their transactions, and
the thief would swoop in.
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You didn't state in your post the time of day this occurred. If it was early morning or early evening she was probably upset that the farmer had not taken her to the dairy yet for her milking.....
I was standing behind someone using the ATM and waiting to use it but it was taking that person who was taller and wider than me.....
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LOL - It was mid-afternoon - in between milking!
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Long <carlboy101@...> wrote:
You didn't state in your post the time of day this occurred. If it was early morning or early evening she was probably upset that the farmer had not taken her to the dairy yet for her milking.....
I was standing behind someone using the ATM and waiting to use it but it was taking that person who was taller and wider than me.....
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The "yeller" has paid attention to warnings from police departments and
banking organizations. Confronting someone is not the advised way to deal
with someone looking over your shoulder trying to capture your PIN, but it
is a way to deal with it. Sorry to the OP but proper ATM etiquette
prescribes that you stand far enough away and definitely do not try to peak
at the screen or keypad area when someone is doing a transaction.
If someone swiped you PIN by looking over your shoulder, yes they can do
another transaction without the card at some machines. This is if the
session hasn't been completed.
Skimming devices that capture the card information can be very small and
unobtrusive. Many otherwise observant people have not noticed them attached
to the machine.
http://www.utexas.edu/police/alerts/atm_scam/
http://bayside-leader.whereilive.com.au/photos/gallery/skim-scam-uncovered-in-sandringham/
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Looks like all you have to do is somehow place your
own ATM in the right place undected.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/malicious-atm-catches-hackers/
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
It's hard for me to believe that an ATM inside
casino would be venerable to this kind of
modification without anyone noticing.Curtis
How much coin in for a point at El Cortez?
Thanks
JAS
From the El Cortez info provided on vpFREE2 in the section "Players Club":
$1 Coin-In = 1 Point
$3 Coin-In = 1 Point on better games
NeilM
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jasnow@...> wrote:
How much coin in for a point at El Cortez?
Thanks
JAS
Many ATM's, especially in casinos, are designed to swipe your card or to insert and remove your card. If you do so and for some highly stupid reason walk away, the next person could complete the transaction if they had your pin.
This is a relatively common event in crowded places like casinos. A team of people work together to steal the pin, take a picture of the person, and wait for a later trasaction to distract the person and withdraw their cash.
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--- On Tue, 10/13/09, Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Yelling in my Face
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 7:23 PM
I sincerely doubt that it is possible to leave an ATM (after using it) with
your card in your possession and have someone come up and continue with
any transactions on your account, especially withdrawing money. Once the
card is removed from the machine, the current sessions is over and there can
be no more transactions without reinserting the card.
However....
If a person forgets to end their ATM session and they walk away without
taking their ATM card out of the machine....then, I guess it's possible for
someone else to come up and continue the same session with another
transaction.
Curtis
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"Highly stupid" is correct.
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On 10/14/09, NC Wanderer <larbo929@yahoo.com> wrote:
Many ATM's, especially in casinos, are designed to swipe your card or to
insert and remove your card. If you do so and for some highly stupid reason
walk away, the next person could complete the transaction if they had your
pin.
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Check out the 'rest of the story' here:
http://alturl.com/f39x
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On 10/14/09, krajewski.sa@pg.com <krajewski.sa@pg.com> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@...> wrote:
> It's hard for me to believe that an ATM inside
> casino would be venerable to this kind of
> modification without anyone noticing.
>
> CurtisLooks like all you have to do is somehow place your
own ATM in the right place undected.http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/malicious-atm-catches-hackers/
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I can understand the impulse to see what was going on. At the ATM, it seems I always get behind the person doing multiple, complicated financial transactions.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rossx_98" <rossx_98@...> wrote:
I was standing behind someone using the ATM and waiting to use it but it was taking that person who was taller and wider than me several attempts. I guess I moved to the side to see what the problem was and she turned around and yelled in my face - STEP BACK SO YOU CAN'T SEE MY PIN -
"Why do anyone need to go to an ATM in a casino???" Someone out there please tell me of a story where you profited from going to an ATM so I do not need to be so pessimistic. P…L…E…A…S…E… Help Me
Many ATM's, especially in casinos, are designed to swipe your card or to insert and remove your card. If you do so and for some highly stupid reason walk away, the next person could complete the transaction if they had your pin.
This is a relatively common event in crowded places like casinos. A team of people work together to steal the pin, take a picture of the person, and wait for a later transaction to distract the person and withdraw their cash.
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It's simple...it's the only machine that I know for sure will pay everytime I play it....howbeit, the pay is only around 96.2%. ; )
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--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Mike Hunt <vpisnotfree@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Why does anyone need to go to an ATM in a casino???" Someone out there please tell me of a story where you profited from going to an ATM so I do not need to be so pessimistic. P…L…E…A…S…E… Help Me
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