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XXX Non-VP: Apprentice pimps at the Palms

#1

I wonder if anyone else has had this happen (and not necessarily at
the Palms):

This has happened five different times this year: I am playing $1 or
$2 whatever at the Palms, and I hit something that generates a W-2G,
or I am spending a long time in the high-limit room and I have a
high credit balance on the meter, (like if I hit deuces playing
dollar NSUD), and about 30-45 minutes after I get paid, a girl
sidles up and slides into the seat next to me, smiles, and engages
me in conversation about how I might like to see the inside of
her....room. Now, being an average male, I naturally assume that
it's my God-given studly attractiveness that has wafted its way onto
the casino floor and snared some unwary female. But lately I
thought: could it be something else?
The funny thing is, these women were:
1. Not particularly attractive. Maybe 5.5s or 6s; you wouldn't have
thrown them out of bed for eating crackers, but the idea of paying
(what must have been several hundred dollars asking price; I never
asked) money to have sex with these ladies was somewhat laughable.
2. Impeccably and expensively dressed, so I surmise their other
potential customers didn't share my scruples.
3. Fairly pushy. One girl's sales pitch was to essentially shove her
boobs into my face; it felt like a hospital nurse shoving another
pillow under my head. I get the feeling the supply is exceeding the
demand in this industry (or prices need to come down).
The real question that has occured to me, though, is: how do these
girls KNOW that I'm several thousand dollars ahead? In some cases
there never was a W2-G generated (like a hot session at $1 DB; you
hit a lot of $400 this and $800 that, but unless you hit a royal, it
just makes the credits mount up). But EVERY TIME I had a big hit and
kept on playing, here came Suzie Wong or her equivalent. Who is
tipping them off? The floor people? The slot supervisors?
If this bothered rather than amused me I would have certainly raised
a stink about it with management, but as it is, it just made me
curious. Is this done with management's: 1)Total ignorance 2) Turn-a
blind-eye tolerance 3)Cheerful enthusiasm? After all, the Palms
(more than practically any other casino) is all about
overstimulation. Could they merely be simultaneously providing a
needed service, and protecting the virtue of Las Vegas's young
women, who are standing in line to get into Rain in their little
black dresses, with their fake ID's and Daddy's credit card, and
might be susceptible to the wiles of a well-heeled high-roller with
a wallet full of Franklins? (After all, someone with a $100 bill can
afford TWO drinks at the Ghost Bar!)
I know that classically, bartenders, bellman, and other casino
employees in strategic positions routinely work with the local
hookers for a piece of the action. This is the first time I've seen
or heard of the SLOT DEPARTMENT doing so, however!

#2

rockofjello333 wrote:

I wonder if anyone else has had this happen (and not necessarily at
the Palms):

Since I am currently single and play $1 bartops a lot of the time or $1 3/5 play on the floor, I have a lot of experience with this. It is quite common. I have been propositioned at one time or another in almost every casino in LV, local casinos included. At the Luxor sports bar a while back, I hit a $1 royal and three of them showed up BEFORE I was paid. I have actually sat at major casino bars and talked with them and bought them a drink. I have never gone any further than that, but I never take offense at it as I figure they are only trying to make a living like the rest of us. Some of them are very intelligent and quite nice to talk to. In all my years, so far, I have only run into one real dirt bag and I reported her to management. I watched as she was escorted off the property.

Most major casinos have "girls" on the payroll, but they do not work the floor. The general public does not hear anything about about them, but they usually operate out of one of the corporate offices with various titles and are very well paid. They have no office/desk to go to and no set hours. But they are there. Trust me when I say that, no one on this board would qualify to receive such favors. Only true whales and very famous people would qualify (athletes are a biggie), and then only if asked for in an indirect way. This is a very taboo subject with casinos and they will always deny that such things go on. I know about it because I worked for a major casino and have first hand knowledge of it.

Bob

#3

If you want a real inside-look at this whole subject, get Deke Castleman's new book, "Whales in the Desert." Fascinating and a great read.

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#4

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...>
wrote:

If you want a real inside-look at this whole subject, get Deke

Castleman's new book, "Whales in the Desert." Fascinating and a
great read.

________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards and for the
  Frugal series of books.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would imagine a "whale" would have been playing the $100 machine
at the Palms instead of a $1 Triple Play.....
I would expect to be better informed on the topic I raised by a book
titled "Tuna of the Desert" or maybe "Grouper of the Desert"..?
Seriously, though, I gotta get that book.

#5

watch out for stings (cops and hookers working for cops)
watch out for hustlers, people have been robbed and then killed
watch out for cons and grifters, you might lose you wallet when you're
not paying attention or get slapped with a rape charge
could very well be that the casino is trying to get rid of your play
or at least distract you
soliciting (money or drugs) for sex is illegal in clark, washoe,
douglas and carson - they get around it by being "escorts" not to
mention that the laws aren't strongly enforced, i don't think the
state really cares, it's the feds and certain conservative senators
and congressman who don't approve

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333" <rockofjello333@y...>
wrote:

I wonder if anyone else has had this happen (and not necessarily at
the Palms):

This has happened five different times this year: I am playing $1

or

$2 whatever at the Palms, and I hit something that generates a

W-2G,

or I am spending a long time in the high-limit room and I have a
high credit balance on the meter, (like if I hit deuces playing
dollar NSUD), and about 30-45 minutes after I get paid, a girl
sidles up and slides into the seat next to me, smiles, and engages
me in conversation about how I might like to see the inside of
her....room. Now, being an average male, I naturally assume that
it's my God-given studly attractiveness that has wafted its way

onto

the casino floor and snared some unwary female. But lately I
thought: could it be something else?
The funny thing is, these women were:
1. Not particularly attractive. Maybe 5.5s or 6s; you wouldn't have
thrown them out of bed for eating crackers, but the idea of paying
(what must have been several hundred dollars asking price; I never
asked) money to have sex with these ladies was somewhat laughable.
2. Impeccably and expensively dressed, so I surmise their other
potential customers didn't share my scruples.
3. Fairly pushy. One girl's sales pitch was to essentially shove

her

boobs into my face; it felt like a hospital nurse shoving another
pillow under my head. I get the feeling the supply is exceeding the
demand in this industry (or prices need to come down).
The real question that has occured to me, though, is: how do these
girls KNOW that I'm several thousand dollars ahead? In some cases
there never was a W2-G generated (like a hot session at $1 DB; you
hit a lot of $400 this and $800 that, but unless you hit a royal,

it

just makes the credits mount up). But EVERY TIME I had a big hit

and

kept on playing, here came Suzie Wong or her equivalent. Who is
tipping them off? The floor people? The slot supervisors?
If this bothered rather than amused me I would have certainly

raised

a stink about it with management, but as it is, it just made me
curious. Is this done with management's: 1)Total ignorance 2)

Turn-a

blind-eye tolerance 3)Cheerful enthusiasm? After all, the Palms
(more than practically any other casino) is all about
overstimulation. Could they merely be simultaneously providing a
needed service, and protecting the virtue of Las Vegas's young
women, who are standing in line to get into Rain in their little
black dresses, with their fake ID's and Daddy's credit card, and
might be susceptible to the wiles of a well-heeled high-roller with
a wallet full of Franklins? (After all, someone with a $100 bill

can

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afford TWO drinks at the Ghost Bar!)
I know that classically, bartenders, bellman, and other casino
employees in strategic positions routinely work with the local
hookers for a piece of the action. This is the first time I've seen
or heard of the SLOT DEPARTMENT doing so, however!