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XVP : The Harrahshoe aka Binions responds to 6:5 BJ complaint

#1

Here is an email exchange between BJ21.com's LVBear and Wade Faul :

Mr. Bear,

I am so sorry that you don't like the 6:5 single-deck blackjack
game. Judging by the occupancy and volume levels we are experiencing
on those tables compared to traditional blackjack, I would have to
say that we are offering a game that is very appealing to many of our
customers.

We certainly wouldn't keep a game that did not attract players. I
hope you will find other games at the Horseshoe that meet your
criteria for "fun and excitement".

Sincerely,
Wade D. Faul
Vice President of Operations
Binion's Horseshoe

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I (LVBear) then wrote:

To: Wade Faul
Subject: Re: Response

I'm not sure if your reply is intended as a joke. Do you have some
reason to think that even your most stupid patron PREFERS a game with
a house advantage 800% greater than actual single deck blackjack? I
am curious about the thought process that goes into offering a game
that is basically swindling the ignorant and gullible public. Do you
think they won't play single deck that pays the normal 3 to 2? Is it
just
plain greed?

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

L V Bear

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Mr. Faul responded:

It's no joke. At any given time on our casino floor, you will find
the 6:5 game at the same or better occupancy levels than the
traditional blackjack offerings. I will state again that we would not
offer a game that did not attract players. As for the "statistic" you
included, I would suggest that you check your math.

Sincerely,

Wade D. Faul

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I wrote:

Yes, I am amazed that the suckers (uh, patrons) play that awful game.
As for my math, the house edge of 1.45% on 6 to 5 is about eight
times (800%) the house edge of 0.18% on 3-2 real single deck
blackjack. Do you disagree with this figure? Current Blackjack News
reports those numbers, too, as have several articles in the local
media critical of casinos that are taking advantage of the public by
offering the 6 to 5 game.

I believe that once the masses eventually figure out just how bad for
the patron the 6 to 5 game really is, it will be an embarrassment for
all the casinos that have chosen to offer it.

Thank you for the continuing exchange of ideas and comments. I
appreciate hearing your views.

Respectfully,

L V Bear

#2

Fortunately, Mr. Faul is probably correct about the
tables being just as crowded despite the lower
payback.

I say "fortunately" because vphomepage says Binion's
offers VP in 10/7 DB, NSUD and JOB 9/6. The 6:5 BJ
rubes are helping pay for those games.

But yes, I do feel bad for Binion's educated BJ
players who now have to go somewhere else for a good
game.

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--- hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:

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Here is an email exchange between BJ21.com's LVBear
and Wade Faul :

Mr. Bear,

I am so sorry that you don't like the 6:5 single-deck
blackjack
game....[etc]

#3

The insulting part is that it's the SHOE that's dealing 6:5. For
years, the Shoe dealt one of the best single deck game in LV.

While I agree with the 'someone has to pay for advantage players'
philosophy when it comes to VP, my attitude is a little different
when it comes to BJ. Unlike VP, where there might be 500 machines,
most casinos only have about 30 to 50 BJ tables. For every game that
is changed to 6:5, a 3:2 game is obviously pulled. In some cases,
such as O'Sheas, there is NO 3:2 left on the floor - it's all 6:5.

If BJ players don't object to 6:5, 3:2 may not even be an option in a
couple years in many properties...

hockeystl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Carlos Lebron <calebron@s...> wrote:

But yes, I do feel bad for Binion's educated BJ
players who now have to go somewhere else for a good
game.

#4

> If BJ players don't object to 6:5, 3:2 may not even be an option

in a

couple years in many properties...

hockeystl

  That's exactly the point. As long as they can get players at 6:5
why change ?

                      Larry F.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@c...> wrote: