TV can make anything seem exciting, they take a 5 day at 12 hours
per day WSOP event and turn it into 3 - 2 hour shows giving you the
impression that all hands are excitement filled. That is hardly the
case. It has been stated here earlier in another thread that Hold-Um
is 98% boring, live viewing may bump up that percentage to 99%.
Paul
TV can make anything seem exciting, they take a 5 day at 12 hours
per day WSOP event and turn it into 3 - 2 hour shows giving you the
impression that all hands are excitement filled. That is hardly the
case. It has been stated here earlier in another thread that Hold-
Um
is 98% boring, live viewing may bump up that percentage to 99%.
Paul
That was my point! VP isn't exactly filled with thrill after thrill
either, but Texas HoldEm is in the spotlight, selling books, CD's,
you name it. People seek out the best players for their autographs!
To me, its all a marketing problem for VP. The WSOP (and Texas
HoldEm) would not be the big deal it is except for two things: (1)
being selective in the hands they broadcast and (2) revealing the
hole cards to viewers before the final cards are dealt. Those two
things make it exciting. For VP, TV could do #1 too, but what else
could be done to add excitement for TV viewers? There needs to be a
sense of head-to-head competition (as in WSOP). If someone can
figure that out we might have the basis of the WSOVP, and shelves
filled with VP books and software in every bookstore in the country.
Remember, there are a lot more people who play VP than regular
poker. You don't see casinos filled with people playing poker, they
are filled with VP machines.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Furr" <phfurr@e...> wrote:
That was my point! VP isn't exactly filled with thrill after
thrill
either, but Texas HoldEm is in the spotlight, selling books, CD's,
you name it. People seek out the best players for their
autographs!
To me, its all a marketing problem for VP. The WSOP (and Texas
HoldEm) would not be the big deal it is except for two things: (1)
being selective in the hands they broadcast and (2) revealing the
hole cards to viewers before the final cards are dealt. Those two
things make it exciting. For VP, TV could do #1 too, but what else
could be done to add excitement for TV viewers? There needs to be
a
sense of head-to-head competition (as in WSOP). If someone can
figure that out we might have the basis of the WSOVP, and shelves
filled with VP books and software in every bookstore in the
country.
Remember, there are a lot more people who play VP than regular
poker. You don't see casinos filled with people playing poker,
they
are filled with VP machines.
Poker makes good television because it involves 2 or more actual
humans interacting with each other, playing 'roles' sometimes or just
revealing occassionally flawed characters. The viewer can get
involved with these personalities, picking heroes and villains.
Watching someone agonise over a decision to call a huge bet,
especially when we can see they are going to be 'dead' if they do so,
can be quite gripping.
I don't see how TV could possibly 'humanise' playing VP in this way -
its a solitary vice! 
..how about a bank of 6 to 10 machines that are
connected and share a common "pot" and when your hand
wins, you take credits from whoever has the most and
you keep playing until one player has all the credits?
No...that would be boring to watch on TV, too....
carlos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That was my point! VP isn't exactly filled with
thrill after thrill
either, but Texas HoldEm is in the spotlight,
selling books, CD's,
you name it. People seek out the best players for
their autographs!
To me, its all a marketing problem for VP. The WSOP
(and Texas
HoldEm) would not be the big deal it is except for
two things: (1)
being selective in the hands they broadcast and (2)
revealing the
hole cards to viewers before the final cards are
dealt. Those two
things make it exciting. For VP, TV could do #1
too, but what else
could be done to add excitement for TV viewers?
There needs to be a
sense of head-to-head competition (as in WSOP). If
someone can
figure that out we might have the basis of the
WSOVP, and shelves
filled with VP books and software in every bookstore
in the country.
Remember, there are a lot more people who play VP
than regular
poker. You don't see casinos filled with people
playing poker, they
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People seek out the best players for their autographs!
...
Who would have thought that the newest celebrities would be poker
players, reality game contestants and motorcycle builders! Oh, and
the Donald.
David
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "brumar_lv" <brumar_lv@y...> wrote:
That's exactly the kind of creative thinking VP needs, even if it
isn't exactly right yet. The person that suggested revealing the
hole cards on the WSOP should get huge bonus from ESPN ... and the
Texas HoldEm players too. To get an idea of how "big" this thing is,
I got a sales flyer in the mail today from Bed Bath and Beyond. On
the cover is an ad for a "Professional Poker Chip Gaming Set" for
$79.99! Apparently some people are playing Texas Holdem in
their bedrooms and bathrooms.
I was thinking there could be a special rule where a player who makes
a mistake (holds the wrong cards) is automatically eliminated, or 1/3
of their chips are disbursed equally to the other players in the
group. That way playing skill becomes very important.
Combine that with your idea (which pits player against player), and
something else perhaps. There may be a way to create an exciting
match situation for TV viewers.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Carlos Lebron <calebr0n@y...> wrote:
..how about a bank of 6 to 10 machines that are
connected and share a common "pot" and when your hand
wins, you take credits from whoever has the most and
you keep playing until one player has all the credits?No...that would be boring to watch on TV, too....
carlos
I agree that I would like to see vp get the same publicity that
Texas Holdem is getting. A big problem would be that John Q could
not begin to keep up with the speed of most of the people on this
forum, even though he was only watching. Maybe slow motion would
work.
DWK
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Carlos Lebron <calebr0n@y...> wrote:
No...that would be boring to watch on TV, too....
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@y...>
wrote:
I agree that I would like to see vp get the same publicity that
Texas Holdem is getting. A big problem would be that John Q could
not begin to keep up with the speed of most of the people on this
forum, even though he was only watching. Maybe slow motion would
work.DWK
I don't mean to beat this topic to death, but I doubt people inside
Binions get much out of watching the WSOP, except relatives of the
players. I don't think they get to see the down cards. I assume
they can see the up cards from the "bleachers". A WSOVP would have
to be strictly a TV event similar in many ways to the WSOP I think,
with a small group competing against one another. The normal playing
procedure would no doubt need to be modified. Exactly how to do
this ... I don't know. I don't think we should assume it's
impossible. The WSOP didn't generate much interest outside LV until
a few years ago.
<< Poker makes good television because it involves 2 or more actual
humans interacting with each other, playing 'roles' sometimes or just
revealing occassionally flawed characters. >>
I don't know why, but I suspect some of the personalities on this
board could be entertaining to see in person. On a slightly
different note, one thing I'm surprised by is that there are not
more on-line VP tournaments, even for free as a way to induce people
to play on-line. While it's not the same as TV exposure it is yet
one more way to get people to play.