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XVP terrorism

#1

Brian,

Yes, a 4 1/2 ounce tube of toothpaste may be a national security issue.
Maybe not *your* tube. But, someone's may be.

The 'three ounce limit' is the limit on the size of the container, not its
contents. You should not have carried on a container over the limit, if you
didn't want it confiscated.

Here's a good website to visit before your next flight:
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm

Curtis

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On 7/28/08, Marksalot300@aol.com <Marksalot300@aol.com> wrote:

When I was returning from Oklahoma, they confiscated my toothpaste at the
airport.
MY TOOTHPASTE! You can carry on disposable cigarette lighters
but a 4 1/2 ounce tube of toothpaste is a national security issue.
Even after I pointed out it was more than half empty, therefore under the 3
ounce limit.
At least I did my part to fight terrorism.

- Brian in MI

irdd writes:
like i always say...if we have to give up our freedoms to "fight
terrorism", then the terrorists have already won...you know i always
thought we fought wars for our freedoms...maybe i was just taking
their words at face value...

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#2

Brian,

Yes, a 4 1/2 ounce tube of toothpaste may be a national security

issue.

Maybe not *your* tube. But, someone's may be.

Because plastic explosives only come in sizes greater than 3oz, right?
Listen, the policies are a joke and nothing but a dog and pony show.
Remember that ban on ALL liquids? Well they relented and now allow
baby formula, baby juices and medications through....because it's not
possible to make flammable liquids that appear to be apple juice,
right? And fires on planes can only be started by zippo lighters and
not disposable ones, right?

And for the poster who is so fond of putting a famous quote behind all
his useless posts, here's one for you....
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
---Benjamin Franklin circa 1755

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:

#3

My wife had her 1-ounce bottle of hand lotion taken at Philadelphia airport because it was just in her purse and not in a quart-sized plastic baggie!
She said it has nothing to do with fighting terrorism. The idea was so the store's on the other side of the security gate could make money by selling her another 1-ounce bottle of lotion for 5 buck's.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] XVP terrorism
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 12:24 PM

Brian,

Yes, a 4 1/2 ounce tube of toothpaste may be a national security issue.
Maybe not *your* tube. But, someone's may be.

The 'three ounce limit' is the limit on the size of the container, not its
contents. You should not have carried on a container over the limit, if you
didn't want it confiscated.

Here's a good website to visit before your next flight:
http://www.tsa. gov/travelers/ airtravel/ prohibited/ permitted- prohibited- items.shtm

Curtis

On 7/28/08, Marksalot300@ aol.com <Marksalot300@ aol.com> wrote:

When I was returning from Oklahoma, they confiscated my toothpaste at the
airport.
MY TOOTHPASTE! You can carry on disposable cigarette lighters
but a 4 1/2 ounce tube of toothpaste is a national security issue.
Even after I pointed out it was more than half empty, therefore under the 3
ounce limit.
At least I did my part to fight terrorism.

- Brian in MI

irdd writes:
like i always say...if we have to give up our freedoms to "fight
terrorism", then the terrorists have already won...you know i always
thought we fought wars for our freedoms...maybe i was just taking
their words at face value...

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#4

Ding.

The War on Terror is big, big business, and it has less to do with
protecting you and me than it does to lining the proper pockets.

Naomi Klein's book, *Shock Doctrine*, is highly recommended reading for
anyone who wants to see just how brazenly our government is using events
like 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina to enrich politically connected companies in
ways that we would never stand for in the absence of national trauma. It's
called "disaster capitalism," and it's basically a pretty way of saying
"corpse rape." It's hardly a concept unique to the Bush administration or to
the US in general, Klein cites examples from the last half-century across
the globe.

Read more here: http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/the-book

Follow the money, and you'll see what really drives the ridiculous and
ineffective boondoggle of "homeland security."

(Incidentally, Aramark, who operates many of the aforementioned airport
concessions, has been a strong GOP supporter for many years.)

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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:58 PM, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@yahoo.com>wrote:

     She said it has nothing to do with fighting terrorism. The idea was
so the store's on the other side of the security gate could make money by
selling her another 1-ounce bottle of lotion for 5 buck's.

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#5

Since when can a person carry on a disposable lighter? Last time I flew(June) they were confiscating them right and left.

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--- On Mon, 7/28/08, hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net> wrote:
From: hockeystl <vegasstl@charter.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: XXVP terrorism
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:33 PM

            --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups. com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@.. .> wrote:

Brian,

Yes, a 4 1/2 ounce tube of toothpaste may be a national security

issue.

Maybe not *your* tube. But, someone's may be.

Because plastic explosives only come in sizes greater than 3oz, right?

Listen, the policies are a joke and nothing but a dog and pony show.

Remember that ban on ALL liquids? Well they relented and now allow

baby formula, baby juices and medications through....because it's not

possible to make flammable liquids that appear to be apple juice,

right? And fires on planes can only be started by zippo lighters and

not disposable ones, right?

And for the poster who is so fond of putting a famous quote behind all

his useless posts, here's one for you....

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little

Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

---Benjamin Franklin circa 1755

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#6

I agree with your wife:) I now put anything that isn't rock hard in a plastic bag!

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--- On Mon, 7/28/08, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] XVP terrorism
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 6:58 PM

               My wife had her 1-ounce bottle of hand lotion taken at Philadelphia airport because it was just in her purse and not in a quart-sized plastic baggie!

   She said it has nothing to do with fighting terrorism. The idea was so the store's on the other side of the security gate could make money by selling her another 1-ounce bottle of lotion for 5 buck's.

Ned C.

The Wild Joker

--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail. com> wrote:

From: Curtis Rich <LGTVegas@gmail. com>

Subject: Re: [vpFREE] XVP terrorism

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups. com

Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 12:24 PM

Brian,

Yes, a 4 1/2 ounce tube of toothpaste may be a national security issue.

Maybe not *your* tube. But, someone's may be.

The 'three ounce limit' is the limit on the size of the container, not its

contents. You should not have carried on a container over the limit, if you

didn't want it confiscated.

Here's a good website to visit before your next flight:

http://www.tsa. gov/travelers/ airtravel/ prohibited/ permitted- prohibited- items.shtm

Curtis

On 7/28/08, Marksalot300@ aol.com <Marksalot300@ aol.com> wrote:

When I was returning from Oklahoma, they confiscated my toothpaste at the

airport.

MY TOOTHPASTE! You can carry on disposable cigarette lighters

but a 4 1/2 ounce tube of toothpaste is a national security issue.

Even after I pointed out it was more than half empty, therefore under the 3

ounce limit.

At least I did my part to fight terrorism.

- Brian in MI

irdd writes:

like i always say...if we have to give up our freedoms to "fight

terrorism", then the terrorists have already won...you know i always

thought we fought wars for our freedoms...maybe i was just taking

their words at face value...

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

#7

The Wild Joker wrote:

   My wife had her 1-ounce bottle of hand lotion taken at Philadelphia
airport because it was just in her purse and not in a quart-sized
plastic baggie!
   She said it has nothing to do with fighting terrorism. The idea was
so the store's on the other side of the security gate could make money
by selling her another 1-ounce bottle of lotion for 5 buck's.

Read this to Bev ... she remarked that she carries a 1 oz bottle of
Purell hand sanitizer through security in her purse all the time.
Talk about something that looks like it could be gel explosive! :wink:

And talking about one's spouse's cycnicism ... upon hearing that JD
Powers rated Philadelphia as the "most customer friendly big airport"
in the US, she observed that serious money changed hands on that one.

I would have thought PHL would have been more likely to rate for the
"grumpiest passengers" in the US, thank to the charm lent by US
Airways hub presence.

- H.

#8

Let me first say that I heartily agree that most, if not all, of today's "airport security" activity is
largely for "show".

However, the wholesale misuse of this Benjamin Franklin quote has always bothered me. The
operative words, in my opinion, are "essential" and "temporary". My friend Ben, in my
opinion, surely did not mean that all liberty is essential, nor that some liberty cannot be
safely abridged. The obvious example of same is our use of traffic signs and signals. We all
have given up a huge amount of liberty for the good of the civilization of which we are a part.

.... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@...> wrote:

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little
Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
---Benjamin Franklin circa 1755

#9

uhhhh....i believe an all out frontal attack on the constitution (eg
the patriotic act)...would fall into ben's guidelines....

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...>
wrote:

>
> "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little
> Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
> ---Benjamin Franklin circa 1755
>

Let me first say that I heartily agree that most, if not all, of

today's "airport security" activity is

largely for "show".

However, the wholesale misuse of this Benjamin Franklin quote has

always bothered me. The

operative words, in my opinion, are "essential" and "temporary".

My friend Ben, in my

opinion, surely did not mean that all liberty is essential, nor

that some liberty cannot be

safely abridged. The obvious example of same is our use of traffic

signs and signals. We all

have given up a huge amount of liberty for the good of the

civilization of which we are a part.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@> wrote:

.... bl

#10

For what it's worth....I got a virus warning from my security program when I
opened this message from irdd3000.
  Dick McKenna

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-------Original Message-------

From: irdd3000
Date: 07/29/08 10:31:31
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [!! SPAM] [vpFREE] Re: XVP: Essential liberty and temporary safety

uhhhh....i believe an all out frontal attack on the constitution (eg
the patriotic act)...would fall into ben's guidelines....

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@...>
wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@> wrote:
>
> "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little
> Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
> ---Benjamin Franklin circa 1755
>

Let me first say that I heartily agree that most, if not all, of

today's "airport security" activity is

largely for "show".

However, the wholesale misuse of this Benjamin Franklin quote has

always bothered me. The

operative words, in my opinion, are "essential" and "temporary".

My friend Ben, in my

opinion, surely did not mean that all liberty is essential, nor

that some liberty cannot be

safely abridged. The obvious example of same is our use of traffic

signs and signals. We all

have given up a huge amount of liberty for the good of the

civilization of which we are a part.

.... bl

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#11

Very strange.

I didn't get a virus warning for this post, and have never
gotten a warning from any vpFREE message.

Since Yahoo is supposed to strip attachments from emails
before they are posted on vpFREE, there shoudn't be any
virus problems with vpFREE messages.

vpFae

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On 29 Jul 2008 at 11:02, Richard McKenna wrote:

For what it's worth....I got a virus warning from my security program when I
opened this message from irdd3000.

#12

Are you sure it said Virus warning and not 'spam' or 'junk mail'? Some
security programs are overly cautious. I use Norton Internet Security
and it sometimes flags vpfree (and other news lists) as junk mail and I
have to add the address into a 'not junkmail' list.

Barry

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard McKenna" <MCKENNA3927@...>
wrote:

For what it's worth....I got a virus warning from my security program

when I

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opened this message from irdd3000.
  Dick McKenna

#13

Barry. It did not use the term "Virus". A small window popped up for a few
seconds and I think the term "threat" was used. I am using a new (to me)
security protection called "Kaspersky". I believe that your overly cautious
diagnosis is correct.
      Dick McKenna

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-------Original Message-------

From: Barry Shiffrin
Date: 07/29/08 11:51:49
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [!! SPAM] [vpFREE] Re: XVP: Essential liberty and temporary safety

Are you sure it said Virus warning and not 'spam' or 'junk mail'? Some
security programs are overly cautious. I use Norton Internet Security
and it sometimes flags vpfree (and other news lists) as junk mail and I
have to add the address into a 'not junkmail' list.

Barry

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard McKenna" <MCKENNA3927@...>
wrote:

For what it's worth....I got a virus warning from my security program

when I

opened this message from irdd3000.
  Dick McKenna

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#14

Disposable-type lighters were given a "pass" as of December 2007, as I
recall. I have traveled by air utilizing 6 airports since that time
with a lighter without incident.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Money Works <worksforthemoney@...> wrote:

Since when can a person carry on a disposable lighter? Last time I

flew(June) they were confiscating them right and left.

#15

This story makes a brief stop at a border seem
like small potatos:

http://tinyurl.com/5bwhna

"Dance Mailman"