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#1

In a message dated 8/12/2007 12:52:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bornloser1537@yahoo.com writes:

If you were seriously ill or opting for elective treatment, i believe that
you would not want to
be forced to use the health system that the Canadian government so
generously provides for
its citizens.

I lived in Canada for thirteen years and I believe I got as good medical
treatment as I would have here in the US or better. I had a neurological
problem in an elbow and had two surgeries by the top neurologist in Canada (so
named in an article about a woman he saved at some point with a brain tumor and a
baby on the way) and it cost me not one penny.

If you have immediate problems, you can usually get immediate care.

Karen

There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life, music and cats.
Albert Schweitzer

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#2

Before you start knocking Canadian or other health system you should
check your facts. Our health system as no rated anywhere in the top 15
in the world. We have been sold a bunch of baloney. the only thing we
rank number one in health is cost an our doctors are by far earn more
than any other country.

kellypkjoe

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--- krallison416@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/12/2007 12:52:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
bornloser1537@yahoo.com writes:

If you were seriously ill or opting for elective treatment, i
believe that
you would not want to
be forced to use the health system that the Canadian government so
generously provides for
its citizens.

I lived in Canada for thirteen years and I believe I got as good
medical
treatment as I would have here in the US or better. I had a
neurological
problem in an elbow and had two surgeries by the top neurologist in
Canada (so
named in an article about a woman he saved at some point with a brain
tumor and a
baby on the way) and it cost me not one penny.

If you have immediate problems, you can usually get immediate care.

Karen

There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life, music and
cats.
Albert Schweitzer

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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#3

i am simply amazed that we never hear any politicians saying we
deserve the absolute best #1 ranked healthcare system in the
world...they talk about tweaking it, but the system is completely
broken...we spend the most per capita, but where is the excellence in
execution...this from a country that is supposed to be a merit based
democracy...

I lived in Canada for thirteen years and I believe I got as good

medical

treatment as I would have here in the US or better. I had a

neurological

problem in an elbow and had two surgeries by the top neurologist

in Canada (so

named in an article about a woman he saved at some point with a

brain tumor and a

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baby on the way) and it cost me not one penny.

If you have immediate problems, you can usually get immediate care.

Karen

#4

In 2000 the World Health Organization conducted a ranking of health care systems worldwide. The US came in 37 out of 191. You can see the criteria used in the press release at: (http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html). Fortunately, we came in just ahead of such economic powerhouses as Slovenia (38) and Cuba (39) but were beaten by Costa Rica (36), Morocco (29), Columbia (22) and Singapore (6). However, no one comes close to us in per capita spending on health care (WE'RE #1)!

All those other countries have National Health care ("socialized medicine") and yet provide better care at a lower cost than out "efficient" free market.

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At 04:54 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote:

Before you start knocking Canadian or other health system you should
check your facts. Our health system as no rated anywhere in the top 15
in the world. We have been sold a bunch of baloney. the only thing we
rank number one in health is cost an our doctors are by far earn more
than any other country.

kellypkjoe

--- krallison416@aol.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 8/12/2007 12:52:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> bornloser1537@yahoo.com writes:
>
> If you were seriously ill or opting for elective treatment, i
> believe that
> you would not want to
> be forced to use the health system that the Canadian government so
> generously provides for
> its citizens.
>
> I lived in Canada for thirteen years and I believe I got as good
> medical
> treatment as I would have here in the US or better. I had a
> neurological
> problem in an elbow and had two surgeries by the top neurologist in
> Canada (so
> named in an article about a woman he saved at some point with a brain
> tumor and a
> baby on the way) and it cost me not one penny.
>
> If you have immediate problems, you can usually get immediate care.
>
> Karen
>
> There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life, music and
> cats.
> Albert Schweitzer
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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#5

Thank you Bill.
  I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who knew our true
health care situation. I couldn't remember the exact place we were and
was conservative in my post on this subject. I was aware how that our
medical was no where near as good as generally perceived in this
country. I must admit I surprised how low we did rate worldwide.
  The sad thing is the vast majority of US citizens have no idea the
degree we are brainwashed.

kellypkjoe

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--- Bill Coleman <vphobby2@cox.net> wrote:

In 2000 the World Health Organization conducted a ranking of health
care systems worldwide. The US came in 37 out of 191. You can see the

criteria used in the press release at:
(http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html). Fortunately, we
came in just ahead of such economic powerhouses as Slovenia (38) and
Cuba (39) but were beaten by Costa Rica (36), Morocco (29), Columbia
(22) and Singapore (6). However, no one comes close to us in per
capita spending on health care (WE'RE #1)!

All those other countries have National Health care ("socialized
medicine") and yet provide better care at a lower cost than out
"efficient" free market.

At 04:54 PM 8/12/2007, you wrote:
>Before you start knocking Canadian or other health system you should
>check your facts. Our health system as no rated anywhere in the top
15
>in the world. We have been sold a bunch of baloney. the only thing
we
>rank number one in health is cost an our doctors are by far earn
more
>than any other country.
>
>kellypkjoe
>
>
>--- krallison416@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 8/12/2007 12:52:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > bornloser1537@yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > If you were seriously ill or opting for elective treatment, i
> > believe that
> > you would not want to
> > be forced to use the health system that the Canadian government
so
> > generously provides for
> > its citizens.
> >
> >
> > I lived in Canada for thirteen years and I believe I got as good
> > medical
> > treatment as I would have here in the US or better. I had a
> > neurological
> > problem in an elbow and had two surgeries by the top neurologist
in
> > Canada (so
> > named in an article about a woman he saved at some point with a
brain
> > tumor and a
> > baby on the way) and it cost me not one penny.
> >
> > If you have immediate problems, you can usually get immediate
care.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> > There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life, music
and
> > cats.
> > Albert Schweitzer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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#6

i am simply amazed that we never hear any politicians saying we
deserve the absolute best #1 ranked healthcare system in the
world...they talk about tweaking it, but the system is completely
broken...we spend the most per capita, but where is the excellence

in

execution...this from a country that is supposed to be a merit

based

democracy...

You never hear the politicians talking about it, because the
government is the biggest problem with it. They started cost shifting
with medicare and medicaid, then the insurance companies started, so
that leaves everyone with out insurance to pay for what medicare
don't pay.

I had a simple blood test done, insurance paid $7.58, medicare would
probably pay about $5.00 for the same test. With no insurance, you
pay ~$50.00. I seen the paper work on mine and the test actually cost
$28.00.

Why do you think the hospitals charge $5.00 for an aspirin?

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#7

No, most of them just keep saying that WE ALREADY HAVE IT! (i.e. Bush;
Giuliani in the last debate). And our wonderful journalists don't
challenge this or ask them to provide evidence; they'd rather talk
about candidates' wives (the 3rd Mrs. G last week), the Mormon
church, or expensive haircuts...

But back to video poker...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lv_nv_realtor" <irdd@...> wrote:

i am simply amazed that we never hear any politicians saying we
deserve the absolute best #1 ranked healthcare system in the
world...

#8

Why do you think the hospitals charge $5.00 for an aspirin?

to cover the costs of all the people without insurance that stiff the
hospital...........
seriously there are very few hospital making money these days unless
they are in an affluent area where the majority have insurance.
I work at an inner-city hospital that routinely loses 1 million/month
(we are obviously a non-profit hospital!)
In any area with a high population of uninsured/illegals hospitals are
fighting just to survive.....many are closing.
Even in areas with insurance most are in HMO/PPO type plans these days
so the insurance companies have set prices (capitation) that they pay
for a day of care....so even if someone is in the ICU and had 2
surgeries that day and require tons of care the hospital gets a set
amount of pay. That is why so many trauma centers are closing.....most
trauma pt's cost the hospital money.
the US healthcare system is seriously screwed up!
anyway this is wayyyyyyyyyyy off topic so I'll step off my soapbox now!
trish RN