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XVP - Live Poker Hand Question

I haven't ever played any live casino poker, as you will be able to
tell from my question :wink: But there are two types of hands that I
have always been unsure about. Perhaps someone here can tell me
which hand in each of these groups would be the better hand. Assume
a regular poker game like 7 card stud.

1. Which of these full houses is better?

JJJ55 or 777KK (i.e. does the hand with the highest rank win, or is
it the hand with the highest ranking 3 of a kind?)

2. Which of these straights is better?

A2345 or 23456 (i.e. does the ace make the first hand better, or is
it just a "5 high" straight vs. a "6 high" straight?)

Thanks.

EE

I haven't ever played any live casino poker, as you will be able to
tell from my question :wink: But there are two types of hands that I
have always been unsure about. Perhaps someone here can tell me
which hand in each of these groups would be the better hand. Assume
a regular poker game like 7 card stud.

1. Which of these full houses is better?

JJJ55 or 777KK (i.e. does the hand with the highest rank win, or is
it the hand with the highest ranking 3 of a kind?)

聽聽聽聽聽JJJ55 is higher because 3 jacks is greater than 3 7s.

2. Which of these straights is better?

A2345 or 23456 (i.e. does the ace make the first hand better, or is
it just a "5 high" straight vs. a "6 high" straight?)

聽聽聽聽聽A six-high straight is higher than a 5-high straight (ace counts as a
low card in this instance).

gj

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, eecounter wrote:

Thanks.

EE

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Jacks full of 5's beats the sevens full of K's (high trip wins)
In the straight the ace is working low so the 2-6 straight wins.

I haven't ever played any live casino poker, as you will be able to
tell from my question :wink: But there are two types of hands that I
have always been unsure about. Perhaps someone here can tell me
which hand in each of these groups would be the better hand.

Assume

路路路

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "eecounter" <eecounter@h...> wrote:

a regular poker game like 7 card stud.

1. Which of these full houses is better?

JJJ55 or 777KK (i.e. does the hand with the highest rank win, or is
it the hand with the highest ranking 3 of a kind?)

2. Which of these straights is better?

A2345 or 23456 (i.e. does the ace make the first hand better, or is
it just a "5 high" straight vs. a "6 high" straight?)

Thanks.

EE

Hello group,

I am new to the world of VP and am studying hard for my trip to Las Vegas in October. I will be staying at the Plaza, NY-NY, and the Orleans during the course of a week. (feel free to insert comments about those hotels)

I am a big fan of toking the dealers, especially when it comes to craps and blackjack.

But when and how much is it appropriate to tip in the VP world. I confine my VP play to mostly .25 games with an occasional play on $1.00 machines.

I assume that the only time tipping comes into play would be on a royal payout.

What kind of tip is appropriate?

Thanks for your help.

Brian

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I assume that the only time tipping comes into play would be on a

royal payout.

What kind of tip is appropriate?

My rule of thumb is to tip 1% of any handpay that is over $500, up to
a maximum of $100.

Sometimes there are exceptions depending on circumstances...if it
takes extremely long to give the handpay, then I'll cut
back...conversely, if its real quick I'll up the tip a little bit.

Don the Dentist

When I received my one and only Royal (7/7/03) at the Luxor I tipped $20.00. I don't know if it is right, wrong, high or low but Jeff seemed happy about it.

Hope this helps and if I am wrong I hope someone corrects me for my future payouts (hopefully).

Stephanie

Brian Lindemuth wrote:

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Hello group,

I am new to the world of VP and am studying hard for my trip to Las Vegas in October. I will be staying at the Plaza, NY-NY, and the Orleans during the course of a week. (feel free to insert comments about those hotels)

I am a big fan of toking the dealers, especially when it comes to craps and blackjack.

But when and how much is it appropriate to tip in the VP world. I confine my VP play to mostly .25 games with an occasional play on $1.00 machines.

I assume that the only time tipping comes into play would be on a royal payout.

What kind of tip is appropriate?

Thanks for your help.

Brian

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Question #50 from the vpFREE FAQ:

50. How much do vpFREE members tip? - From vpFREE 2002 Polls:

The median tip for a hopper fill and for change booth transactions -

None

The median tip for drinks from a cocktail waitress -

$1 per drink

The median tip for hand paid jackpots -

$250/$2

$1000/$10

$4000/$20

$20000/$75

These polls are ongoing and can be accessed at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/polls

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On 18 Sep 2003 at 8:23, Brian Lindemuth wrote:

But when and how much is it appropriate to tip in the VP world. I
confine my VP play to mostly .25 games with an occasional play on $1.00
machines.

I tip 1% from $1000 on up to a max of $60

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:58:18 -0000, you wrote:

I assume that the only time tipping comes into play would be on a

royal payout.

What kind of tip is appropriate?

My rule of thumb is to tip 1% of any handpay that is over $500, up to
a maximum of $100.

Sometimes there are exceptions depending on circumstances...if it
takes extremely long to give the handpay, then I'll cut
back...conversely, if its real quick I'll up the tip a little bit.

Don the Dentist

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Brian Lindemuth wrote:

I assume that the only time tipping comes into play would be on a

royal payout.

What kind of tip is appropriate?

Tipping is appropriate (although by no means necessary) whenever more
than cursory service is rendered.

This can include having someone briefly watch your machine while
you're using a restroom (required much less frequently with the advent
of TITO), adjustment of machine settings as a courtesy to you, hunting
down a cocktail waitress, etc. Of course, these are generally limited
to a buck or two.

I don't tip for hopper fills (although when playing a $1 machine which
only holds 400 credits, the bane of every vp player, after several
fills I'll offer up a tip at the end of my session).

For jackpots (and this includes pays such as quad Aces on a $1 DB
machine, when a handpay is required) I consider 1% standard. On rare
occasion I'll reduce that if I'm very dissatisfied with the handpay.
There tend to be a LOT of hopper fills between jackpots, service that
ultimately deserves some recognition.

In those casinos where I'm a frequent player and the attendents go out
of their way to make sure that I'm comfortable, I'll be a little more
generous.

With the advent of TITO, where I expect that I need considerably less
attention, I expect I'll scale things back a little.

- Harry

The trickiest tip situation I have is a hitting quads at a Pick'em
bar for $600. They happen 20x as likely as RFs do on normal VP, so
being too generous can really cost you. And the bartenders expect
something also.

I usually tip $5 to a change person, then order a drink from the bar
and tip $2 or $3 for the drink.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dds2124" <dds6@c...> wrote:

> I assume that the only time tipping comes into play would be on a
royal payout.
>
> What kind of tip is appropriate?

The hand pay polls are closed.

I tip 1-2% for jackpots. Sometimes higher at a bar if I have a good rapport
with the bartender. I've never hit anything bigger than $10k so I've never
considered reducing that pct.

Rarely on just hand pays unless it was a real good winning session.

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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:52 AM
To: vpFREE
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tipping

On 18 Sep 2003 at 8:23, Brian Lindemuth wrote:

But when and how much is it appropriate to tip in the VP world. I
confine my VP play to mostly .25 games with an occasional play on $1.00
machines.

Question #50 from the vpFREE FAQ:

50. How much do vpFREE members tip? - From vpFREE 2002 Polls:

The median tip for a hopper fill and for change booth transactions -

None

The median tip for drinks from a cocktail waitress -

$1 per drink

The median tip for hand paid jackpots -

$250/$2

$1000/$10

$4000/$20

$20000/$75

These polls are ongoing and can be accessed at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/polls

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/polls</a>

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lindemuth <iamnotthemole@y...>
wrote:

Hello group,

I am a big fan of toking the dealers, especially when it comes to

craps and blackjack.

But when and how much is it appropriate to tip in the VP world. I

confine my VP play to mostly .25 games with an occasional play on
$1.00 machines.

I assume that the only time tipping comes into play would be on a

royal payout.

What kind of tip is appropriate?

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽TIPPING

聽聽聽"If it weren't for tips, you'd get nothing but grammer-school drop-
outs and punk teenagers dealing you cards."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--Shane Mooney

聽聽聽"In a casino, more than anything else, tips make the wheels spin
and cogs turn and the free stuff flow, and a little judicious
greasing of the skids works more wonders than you can imagine."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--Jean Scott

聽聽聽"The most effective way to a dealer's heart is by way of toking."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--Jerry L. Patterson

聽聽聽"I tip well for comped meals, as do most gamblers. We may not like
doing it, but we accept it."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--Royal Cat

聽聽聽"Tips to dealers is what blood is to vampires. They need it to
survive."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--VP Pappy

路路路

With TITO there is no more tipping on quarter Royals, just tiptoeing
out. LOL.

"If you could win all the time it would not be gambling, it would be
great."

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lindemuth <iamnotthemole@y...>
wrote:
>
> Hello group,
>
>
>
> I am a big fan of toking the dealers, especially when it comes to
craps and blackjack.
>
> But when and how much is it appropriate to tip in the VP world.

I

confine my VP play to mostly .25 games with an occasional play on
$1.00 machines.
>
> I assume that the only time tipping comes into play would be on a
royal payout.
>
> What kind of tip is appropriate?

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽TIPPING

聽聽聽"If it weren't for tips, you'd get nothing but grammer-school

drop-

outs and punk teenagers dealing you cards."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--Shane Mooney

聽聽聽"In a casino, more than anything else, tips make the wheels spin
and cogs turn and the free stuff flow, and a little judicious
greasing of the skids works more wonders than you can imagine."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--Jean Scott

聽聽聽"The most effective way to a dealer's heart is by way of toking."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--Jerry L. Patterson

聽聽聽"I tip well for comped meals, as do most gamblers. We may not

like

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vppappy" <tismurph@h...> wrote:

doing it, but we accept it."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--Royal Cat

聽聽聽"Tips to dealers is what blood is to vampires. They need it to
survive."
聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽--VP Pappy
>