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vpking stated that NJ has the same device law as NV. Not quite if I remember right. In NJ the law says it is illegal to use these devices to gain a "mathematical" advantage over the house. This is a better defined law than Nevada's. It might be legal in NJ to use these devices on most games there. Again I am against anybody using these devices anywhere in the US (legal or not), all it does is bring too much "heat" to the game and to yourself. As gamblers we should know that the risk to reward ratio is too high. For the sake of all gamblers including yourself please don't use these devices.

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#2

The law is slightly different in NJ as you point out but nevertheless the casino can make your life miserable

if they wanted to pursue it.

#3

vpking’s post gets right to the heart of this question. Any player worth their salt couldn’t give a damn what the law says on this subject …The bottom line is that because casinos have demonstrated, time and time again, that they’ll do whatever’s necessary to discourage play from players who they deem aren’t profitable, no player with a tad of common sense would openly sit at a machine with a strategy-assisting device and play.

—In vpF…@…com, <vpking77@…> wrote :

The law is slightly different in NJ as you point out but nevertheless the casino can make your life miserable if they wanted to pursue it.

#4

Belatedly caught up with Nordo’s recent post and see that I’ve managed to largely echo his sentiments re the true practicality of using a strategy-assisting device in the casino.FWIW, here’s what I come up re the applicable NJ statute:

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5:12-113.1 Use of device to obtain advantage at casino game a disorderly

persons offense; forfeiture; notice

a. A person commits a third degree offense if, in playing a game in a licensed casino or simulcasting facility, the person uses, or assists another in the use of, a computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device which is designed, constructed, or programmed specifically for use in obtaining an advantage at playing any game in a licensed casino or simulcasting facility,

unless the advantage obtained can be assessed a monetary value or loss of $75,000 or greater in which case the offense is a crime of the second
degree.

b. Any computerized, electronic, electrical or mechanical device used in
violation of subsection a. of this section shall be considered prima facie contraband and shall be subject to the provisions of N.J.S. 2C:64-2. A device used by any person in violation of this section shall be subject to forfeiture pursuant to the provisions of N.J.S.2C:64-1 et seq.

The operative phrase in defining the prohibition is “obtaining an advantage”. The NJ text doesn’t define this further in the manner that the NV law did. However, again I suspect that if by using the device a player improves their expected return (even if still playing at an expected loss against the house), a court would deem that benefit to be “obtaining an advantage”. (Key here is that “over the house” language isn’t used.)

—In vpF…@…com, <Nordo123@…> wrote :

vpking stated that NJ has the same device law as NV. Not quite if I remember right. In NJ the law says it is illegal to use these devices to gain a “mathematical” advantage over the house. This is a better defined law than Nevada’s. It might be legal in NJ to use these devices on most games there. Again I am against anybody using these devices anywhere in the US (legal or not), all it does is bring too much “heat” to the game and to yourself. As gamblers we should know that the risk to reward ratio is too high. For the sake of all gamblers including yourself please don’t use these devices.